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| 04:16.37 | golinux | Hi. If you have a support question just ask. If you want to chat, please move it to #debianfork. Thanks |
| 04:23.05 | gavlee | Some trouble running the vagrant boxes, when I apt-get it times out because I have no ipv6. any ideas please? |
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| 05:34.15 | xrogaan | what fails? |
| 05:34.25 | xrogaan | gavlee: the vagrant or the apt cmd? |
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| 08:43.58 | thijso | What do I need to put in my grub.cfg if I want to boot the devuan ascii live cd directly from a USB stick? My boot ends up with "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" and stops... |
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| 08:51.30 | thijso | In another forum I found the kernel option 'live-media-path='. That sounds kinda what I need, but what's the path? I assume something like /live/filesystem.squashfs |976376K|Jun 6 2018| |
| 08:51.43 | thijso | Oops.. bad paste. |
| 08:52.10 | thijso | Anyway, that didn't work. |
| 08:52.20 | thijso | ls |
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| 09:14.38 | thijso | Hmmm. Think I have a workaround for now. I get dumped in a initramfs so I can manually mount my stuff and continue the boot. I hope. Trying that now... |
| 09:18.07 | thijso | Nope |
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| 09:45.48 | Kjetil | hm.. struggelig a bit with the nvidia drivers. Installed the nvidia-legacy package but modprobe nvidia fails with "Module nvidia-legacy-340xx not found in directory..." Even though it is present under updates/dkms in that folder |
| 09:52.03 | debdog | what if you put a symlink in 'directory' pointing to 'updats/dkms'? Kjetil. just a thought, hadn't had any experiences with the packaged version of the nvidia driver |
| 09:56.42 | Kjetil | Think I managed to figure it out. There is a package named nvidia-legacy-driver-340xx and one named nvidia-legacy-driver-304xx, and I have managed to mix those somehow |
| 09:56.51 | ErRandir | did the install rerun depmod? the drivers should be in in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/* |
| 10:00.09 | Kjetil | Thanks anyways |
| 10:00.39 | Kjetil | One nice improvement would be to have a big warning when it doesn |
| 10:00.54 | Kjetil | 't generate modules for any kernels due to missing linux-headers |
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| 10:18.54 | fsmithred | thijso, if you used dd to make the usb stick, do something like the following: |
| 10:19.25 | fsmithred | set root=(hd_whatever) |
| 10:19.32 | fsmithred | chainloader +1 |
| 10:20.31 | fsmithred | if you're on grub command line doing this, then also add 'boot' to make it go. |
| 10:21.41 | fsmithred | if you want to boot the iso file from a directory on your hard drive, do something like this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11556#p11556 |
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| 10:30.22 | fsmithred | correction: set root=(hd1) (it's probably hd1) |
| 10:40.58 | Evilham | gavlee: around? |
| 10:41.31 | Evilham | If you have no ipv6, then ipv6 shouldn't be used |
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| 10:49.59 | thijso | fsmithred: thanks. I'm actually running this off an USB stick. I've got multiple ISOs on it (ubuntu, debian, older devuan) and use grub to boot into the right one. It's always a little fiddly to get it to work. I'll look at the site, maybe that's what I need. Thanks |
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| 10:55.13 | thijso | Thank fsmithred, that was the magic incantation I needed on that site. So simple in the end... |
| 10:55.47 | thijso | At least, I think so... Now booting into X I hope, but blank screen for now... ;) |
| 10:57.58 | thijso | Ah, oops. Needed username=devuan in the cmdline |
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| 11:04.10 | Evilham | gavlee: I just ran even more tests in IPv6-constrained environments and they default to using IPv4 addresses, my guess is that your network is not properly set up and you probably would have issues with many other things because it makes the system thinks it has IPv6 connectivity and it doesn't |
| 11:04.10 | thijso | Hhmmm... I can't use XFS in devuan? |
| 11:04.26 | thijso | I'm sure I could in jessie... |
| 11:05.06 | Evilham | even though one of my tests gave a proper Ipv6-address and deliberately broke the connectivity, and apt still defaulted to using ipv4 addresses |
| 11:14.13 | thijso | Hmm, nevermind. Figured it out. Sorry for the noise. |
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| 11:30.07 | gavlee | Hello again. sorry, I crashed out only just saw the messages.. Have been using Ubuntu in vagrant fine, gentoo, debian , I really don't know what the problem is |
| 11:31.12 | gavlee | when apt run I see an ipc6 address , i don't normally see that |
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| 11:34.20 | Evilham | I need more information |
| 11:34.24 | Evilham | like the actual logs |
| 11:34.33 | Evilham | the kind of connectivity you have |
| 11:34.36 | Evilham | stuff like that |
| 11:34.48 | Evilham | the contents of your sources.list |
| 11:36.02 | gavlee | sure. I am running a pretty big build in vagrant right now but when it finish I will test again. just strange other boxes work but not the devuan one, am not ruling out problem my side thought. appreciate the help, thanks |
| 11:39.12 | thijso | So, if I have an installed ascii system with X and everything, can I reduce that system to just a barebones tty system (so no X server etc) by uninstalling task-xfce-desktop? |
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| 11:40.20 | gavlee | and not much I change, when I try it I thought of replacing debian because of a project that uses an old debian version would be easier but I couldn't even apt-get , tried disabling ipv6 in provision script but kinds got busy with other stuff and forgot.... was pressured into the question . honest :) |
| 11:40.28 | thijso | Hhmm, seems I might need to remove some X server specific things in addition |
| 11:41.18 | Evilham | gavlee: no worries, IPv6 support in the deb.devuan.org Round Robin dos happen to be super new |
| 11:41.25 | Evilham | so if there are issues, we want to know |
| 11:41.38 | Evilham | but as far as I can see, everything is fine :-D |
| 11:41.50 | Evilham | so if there really are issues, there is something not being checked for |
| 11:42.01 | thijso | Ah, wait. Found task-desktop. |
| 11:42.02 | Evilham | worst case it's something on your side and we can solve it :-) |
| 11:42.14 | gavlee | I am usually the person the rolls up and says it's something is broken when it's not . lol |
| 11:42.17 | onefang | "super new" as in "it was implemented yesterday", for various values of "yestorday". |
| 11:42.47 | Evilham | ssh ssh :-D |
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| 11:43.24 | fsmithred | thijso, why not use the minimal live? |
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| 11:43.44 | thijso | Because I already did this... But yes, that would be the sane thing to do... |
| 11:43.45 | gavlee | I will have another go and report back then . thanks again |
| 11:43.51 | Evilham | gavlee: I'll be afk for a bit, in between try to reproduce the issue, provide the info I asked for and maybe onefang can lend you a hand |
| 11:43.55 | fsmithred | oh, ok. I get it. |
| 11:44.48 | onefang | I'm about five minutes away from dinner being ready, I might not be able to help much soon either. |
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| 11:52.29 | gavlee | I just woke up and had no coffee yet but had to respond to the questions. will be back later too |
| 11:53.05 | gavlee | appreciate the help ^^ |
| 12:04.39 | thijso | fsmithred: so, I decided to do the sane thing and install from minimal-live, but now I get the error |
| 12:05.18 | thijso | damn, I meant: now I get the error "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" again. With the same config as I used for desktop-live... |
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| 12:06.11 | thijso | The contents of the two isos looks similar. At least, the directory structure for /live is the same, with the same files in there, just different size, which is logical |
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| 12:59.21 | fsmithred | thijso, you installed the minimal live onto the usb, so it's not a regular installed system? |
| 13:04.43 | fsmithred | are you booting uefi or legacy bios? (minimal-live doesn't do uefi) |
| 13:07.45 | thijso | fsmithred: no, I put the minimal iso on the usb stick, just like the desktop one. I have a grub.cfg there that boots into the correct iso. The link to the dev1galaxy.org page you gave me gave me the correct way to make the desktop version boot, but for the minimal one that doesn't work. |
| 13:08.21 | thijso | just legacy bios |
| 13:10.37 | fsmithred | I can try it in a couple minutes |
| 13:21.47 | fsmithred | still trying... |
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| 13:30.51 | fsmithred | thijso, I got it to work. Booted the i386 minimal-live iso from grub menu. This is on uefi. I'm not sure if that matters. |
| 13:33.03 | fsmithred | thijso, I can pm you my exact boot entry |
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| 13:55.51 | thijso | fsmithred: thanks! I'll give it a try |
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| 14:02.52 | thijso | hmmm, that doesn't change anything for me |
| 14:03.13 | thijso | Maybe because I'm using the amd64 one? |
| 14:03.56 | fsmithred | I don't think so. Um, I think I did add username=devuan |
| 14:04.03 | thijso | but do I understand correctly that the findiso= just needs to point to the iso file itself? |
| 14:04.15 | thijso | Yeah, I have username in there. But it fails before that. |
| 14:04.27 | fsmithred | either that or findiso="$isofile" should work |
| 14:04.44 | fsmithred | make sure there are no typos |
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| 14:13.47 | thijso | No typos as far as I can see |
| 14:17.04 | fsmithred | check sha256sum on the iso? |
| 14:17.43 | thijso | yeah, that's correct |
| 14:18.50 | thijso | In the filesystem.squashfs I do see that there are symlinks pointing to /boot instead of boot in the minimal version. initrd.img for example. In the desktop iso they all point to boot (without the starting slash). No idea if that's a problem or not |
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| 14:19.57 | fsmithred | usually, vmlinuz and initrd.img links are done differently: one absolute path, one relative path |
| 14:20.01 | fsmithred | I don't know why |
| 14:20.27 | debdog | bug. they should be relative, both |
| 14:20.38 | debdog | I think it eas fixed in ASCII |
| 14:20.42 | fsmithred | also odd that the desktop-live and the minimal-live are different. Both were made with live-sdk |
| 14:20.43 | debdog | *was |
| 14:21.06 | fsmithred | yeah, I see both are relative path in ascii |
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| 14:40.56 | thijso | fsmithred: really? I don't. I have a -desktop and a -minimal ascii iso, and they are different. One has only relative (desktop), minimal has both. It's the amd64 version if that makes any diff |
| 14:46.37 | fsmithred | mine was installed from a Refracta-9 (ascii) iso. But both as relative links is not from Refracta. |
| 14:47.33 | fsmithred | probably comes from kernel postinst script |
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| 15:28.13 | gavlee | Want to report that the vagrant box works fine now. not sure what the issue was but thanks for the help. Should make it much easier to work without the systemd stuff which is great. |
| 15:31.03 | gavlee | I've updated vagrant and changed some proxy settings so maybe that was it |
| 15:33.11 | gavlee | sorry for the noise and thanks again for the help and the vagrant box happily testing away now :) |
| 15:35.07 | Evilham | gavlee: cool! no noise at all :-D adding IPv6 support is something that was long due, so it'd have been a shame if it had meant issues for legacy-ip users :-)ç |
| 15:37.04 | gavlee | was strange other vagrant boxes work but the devuan box didn't. anyway all is well |
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| 15:56.44 | gavlee | I am running the box but found no /vagrant inside the container |
| 15:57.13 | gavlee | let me look again |
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| 16:01.12 | gavlee | please if any pointers to code I could look at that sets up the box, it's a little bit different. been running packer to create my own boxes and it's a pain to get the vagrant boxes set up right I know still fighting with mine lol |
| 16:01.55 | gavlee | i think there should be a vagrant user and some virtualbox guest additions that set up synced folders |
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| 16:18.14 | gavlee | ok. getting ipv6 error again on apt-get.. strange that it worked once just now and does not again |
| 16:18.35 | gavlee | don't think vagrant likes me very much |
| 16:20.12 | gavlee | in my provision script it disabled ipv6 so maybe the reload fixed the box on next boot.. not sure where the problem lies |
| 16:20.27 | gavlee | i know other vagrant boxes work ok |
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| 17:40.48 | Evilham | gavlee: looks like a mirror may br having issues, it hapoens to support ipv6, but also ipv4 :) |
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| 18:29.44 | Schoumi | Hi, Any idea when beowulf will be available? |
| 18:58.52 | furrywolf | it's available now, and from what I've heard, reasonably functional, but it's not officially released yet. |
| 18:58.57 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 23:11.47 | systemdlete | furrywolf: YOu say beowulf is available now but not official. Is this a change in status? Or the same way it has been for months? (trying to understand the steps) |
| 23:13.31 | debdog | it is available but still testing and not stable |
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| 23:25.55 | gnarface | systemdlete: (i assume he meant the same way it has been for months) |
| 23:26.53 | systemdlete | ok, thanks gnarface. I was wondering... b/c if there really had been some sort of change, I'd want to maybe try an install -- but there's no iso yet anyway |
| 23:27.17 | systemdlete | I was thinking maybe it meant an alpha or beta |
| 23:27.26 | gnarface | for a headless server that you have a known good backup of already, i'd say go ahead and try it honestly |
| 23:27.34 | gnarface | for anything requiring polkit crap, best to wait |
| 23:28.12 | systemdlete | I was really thinking VM |
| 23:28.35 | systemdlete | I already have a beowulf VM. I could update it I guess. |
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| 23:30.39 | gnarface | is there a GUI? |
| 23:31.02 | gnarface | from what i've heard, the biggest mess is (predictably) around the dependencies of the graphical login stuff |
| 23:31.26 | gnarface | anything that didn't already touch systemd shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:31.48 | gnarface | so it depends a lot on your window manager and login manager choices |
| 23:34.57 | systemdlete | blecccch |
| 23:35.27 | systemdlete | but I am pretty sure I do run a gui there. I usually do. |
| 23:36.00 | systemdlete | I recall seeing some chatter here about a recent beowulf upgrade leaving the system unusable |
| 23:36.07 | systemdlete | is this still the case? |
| 23:36.56 | gnarface | i have no idea |
| 23:37.14 | gnarface | since it is a vm, you could easily make a backup copy then try it safely though, no? |
| 23:37.19 | systemdlete | it may have been one of those one-off cases for that user |
| 23:37.30 | systemdlete | right. snapshot it's called in vbox |
| 23:37.34 | systemdlete | I could try it. |
| 23:37.44 | gnarface | for science! |
| 23:38.02 | systemdlete | sings "blinded me with science..." |
| 23:39.38 | systemdlete | it doesn't matter actually. It's a test VM in the first place! |
| 23:39.47 | systemdlete | I haven't done any real work there |
| 23:39.58 | systemdlete | but still, it's for science. |
| 23:40.23 | systemdlete | And the vm is stuck right after cups-browsed |
| 23:40.47 | systemdlete | (I have done nothing since the last time I ran beowulf, which was probably over a month ago) |
| 23:42.06 | systemdlete | then dovecot hung a bit |
| 23:43.25 | systemdlete | I think it was dovecot, actually |
| 23:44.45 | gnarface | how much RAM is allocated to the VM? |
| 23:45.48 | systemdlete | 1536MB |
| 23:46.07 | systemdlete | internet connection having issues, prob the cause of the dovecot hang |
| 23:46.29 | systemdlete | when I say connection, I mean the beowulf vm. My host is fine. |
| 23:47.18 | systemdlete | I see I have given my other linux VMs at least 2G or so. ascii vm has 4g |
| 23:47.40 | systemdlete | it's updating. When it is done I'll shut it down and bump up mem a bit. |
| 23:48.13 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.19 | gnarface | make sure it's the only line with 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:49.11 | systemdlete | just 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 23:49.14 | gnarface | by default, lots of stuff (like mail servers) try to connect to localhost at start up. sometimes they have annoying timeouts... if DNS isn't up yet, or is out for whatever reason... |
| 23:49.16 | systemdlete | no aliases for that one |
| 23:49.46 | systemdlete | and a couple of ipv6 hosts |
| 23:50.36 | systemdlete | would 2g be enough ram? |
| 23:50.48 | gnarface | should be plenty |
| 23:51.00 | gnarface | i was worried maybe you had it set to like 256MB |
| 23:51.09 | systemdlete | is 1536 enough? |
| 23:51.24 | systemdlete | running xfce and a couple open shells |
| 23:51.48 | systemdlete | plus the stuff running in background |
| 23:54.30 | systemdlete | this time, I am gettng a lot of errors about uninitialized disk devices, but the boot completes |
| 23:55.24 | systemdlete | stuck again after cups bonjour daemon startup |