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| 04:34.43 | nexgen | hello |
| 04:35.03 | nexgen | I am trying to install npm from backports but it does not want to |
| 04:37.29 | nexgen | https://pastebin.com/raw/HSki0cyR |
| 04:37.48 | nexgen | I have to install dependencies package by package manually |
| 04:38.06 | nexgen | specifying their newest version in the backports |
| 04:38.17 | nexgen | I have an apt preference |
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| 04:38.51 | nexgen | Package: * |
| 04:38.53 | nexgen | Pin: release a=ascii-backports |
| 04:38.55 | nexgen | Pin-Priority: 1500 |
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| 04:52.13 | rrq | apt works in mysterious ways: try with "-t ascii-backports" |
| 05:03.06 | nexgen | thanks, it helped |
| 05:13.00 | nexgen | may be /etc/apt/preferences is obsolete |
| 05:13.04 | nexgen | move to /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
| 05:13.15 | nexgen | unknown if it works though |
| 05:13.27 | nexgen | *moved |
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| 06:07.20 | rrq | perhaps your "a=" should say "n=" .. a bit hard to test now, though |
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| 07:31.57 | free_speech | hello. just a short question before I try to install devuan - which init-system does it use? runit? sysvinit? |
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| 07:42.49 | omnio | sysvinit (openrc is possible too) |
| 07:48.22 | agris | free_speech, sysv by default, OpenRC as an option |
| 07:48.30 | agris | I use OpenRC |
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| 08:18.02 | free_speech | Due to some problems for me understanding torrent, I can't seed myself, but archive.org can :-) I uploaded the installer-isos. https://archive.org/details/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_installer |
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| 08:42.37 | pav5088 | How dangerous is Beowulf? Is it semi-usable? |
| 08:42.48 | debdog | free_speech: there already is a torrent: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/devuan_ascii.torrent |
| 08:43.33 | debdog | but I have to admit, it's really hard to find if one starts looking for it on devuan.org |
| 08:44.57 | gnarface | pav5088: it is semi-usable |
| 08:45.11 | gnarface | and there are people using it |
| 08:45.23 | pav5088 | nods... Oh well... here goes nothing then. :) |
| 08:46.26 | free_speech | pav5088: Do you have a point to avoid the current stable release named "ASCII" ? |
| 08:49.16 | pav5088 | free_speech, I'm currently running Ascii on this box, so I'll go from there. I think I saw someone post a mini-cd version of Beowulf in my travels, though I might be misremembering. |
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| 08:59.57 | avbox | Does anyone use microcode kernel updates in initrd.img? Is this important? If yes, why? To disable them do I need to build two initrd.img files or is there a switch from command line before starting kernel? |
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| 09:10.28 | free_speech | is this microcode stuff related to this spectre vulnerability of the CPUs ? |
| 09:14.42 | gnarface | avbox, free_speech yea, i think that does include spectre/meltdown fixes, among others |
| 09:15.11 | gnarface | dunno if there's a way to disable the feature without rebuilding, but the actual microcode updates are in some other package ... |
| 09:15.20 | gnarface | so you might not need to |
| 09:35.25 | free_speech | are there even spectre/meltdown exploits existing? What would happen if someone would drive a spectre attack? |
| 09:58.49 | avbox | free_speech: As long as I understand it, it is not only spectre/meltdown. |
| 10:01.31 | avbox | gnarface: Spectre/Meltdown can be included into cpu and into kernel. But some kernel "bugs" you need microkernel update. Point is the initrd.img is completely different and yes I would like to have the choose (starting with and without it). My currently state is I need two initrd.img files to do this because as soon as microcode update is included |
| 10:01.31 | avbox | in initrd, it is (at very first stage) loaded to cpu. |
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| 13:58.17 | buZz | # date |
| 13:58.17 | buZz | Tue 10 Sep 2019 03:57:44 PM CEST |
| 13:58.19 | buZz | lol wtf |
| 13:58.20 | buZz | 'PM' |
| 13:58.26 | buZz | who made that bullshit default :P |
| 13:58.48 | buZz | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Amsterdam' |
| 13:58.53 | buZz | whhyyyyy PM |
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| 14:05.22 | buZz | update-locale LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 |
| 14:05.24 | buZz | right |
| 14:05.30 | buZz | eh |
| 14:07.15 | buZz | yezz |
| 14:07.25 | buZz | just needed to login again |
| 14:11.56 | jaromil | lol |
| 14:12.01 | jaromil | you rly don't like Amsterdam do you |
| 14:12.23 | fsmithred | loves Amsterdam |
| 14:13.59 | jaromil | AMS loves you <3 |
| 14:14.17 | jaromil | eh you are missed |
| 14:14.22 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 14:17.27 | fsmithred | buZz, the PM in the date output is for those few of us who still own analog clocks. |
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| 14:17.47 | fsmithred | actually, even most of the digital clocks only do 12 hours. |
| 14:18.36 | onefang | At least it wasn't 15:57:44 PM. B-) |
| 14:21.08 | buZz | welp, the change was because of buster's change to en_US.utf8 |
| 14:21.20 | buZz | which altered the LC_TIME field of that locale |
| 14:21.33 | buZz | 'to be more correct' , breaking >10yr of format ;) |
| 14:22.36 | fsmithred | what? |
| 14:22.56 | fsmithred | that's my locale. wtf did they do now? |
| 14:28.25 | buZz | they changed the default time format to feature some AM/PM thingy for ppl unable to read time |
| 14:28.45 | fsmithred | oh, I see |
| 14:29.11 | buZz | i changed LC_TIME to be C.UTF-8 , and now i have normal time format |
| 14:29.41 | fsmithred | where did you set that? |
| 14:29.53 | buZz | /etc/defaults/locale iirc |
| 14:30.04 | buZz | well, i did ; update-locale LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 |
| 14:30.05 | fsmithred | ah, yeah |
| 14:30.06 | buZz | as root |
| 14:30.10 | buZz | which edits that file |
| 14:30.16 | buZz | then you need to logout&back in |
| 14:30.31 | buZz | or ssh localhost, to confirm ;) |
| 14:31.09 | buZz | might be something handy for the 'upgrade to beowulf' list? |
| 14:34.01 | fsmithred | that didn't change it here. The line got added to /etc/default/locale, but after logging out/in, date still uses PM |
| 14:36.30 | James1138 | Minor question about Devuan ASCII and XFCE desktop. Is there any tweak and/or setting to make the desktop icons auto-align/auto-sort? Example: I plug in a USB drive and it shows on desktop - but when I remove the USB drive - it disappears and leaves a "hole" instead. |
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| 14:41.27 | fsmithred | James1138, I've never found a way to do that in xfce. Changing display size will re-order the icons, but it's messy. |
| 14:42.42 | James1138 | Ok. Thanks fsmithred. No big deal - I can live with it but was just wondering. |
| 14:43.02 | fsmithred | btw, that hole can be useful if you have a lot of icons on the desktop |
| 14:43.23 | fsmithred | half the time I plug something in, I can't find the icon on the desktop |
| 14:43.33 | fsmithred | but if I unplug it, the hole is easy to see |
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| 14:53.49 | buZz | fsmithred: also on ssh localhost? |
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| 15:31.37 | fsmithred | buZz, I didn't try ssh, but I did try a reboot. No change. |
| 15:31.50 | buZz | weird af |
| 15:32.16 | buZz | my workstation has the same problem, lets see if my fix helps |
| 15:32.17 | buZz | buzz@h81m:~$ date |
| 15:32.17 | buZz | Tue 10 Sep 2019 05:32:12 PM CEST |
| 15:32.40 | fsmithred | ok, yeah, it does work on ssh localhost |
| 15:32.44 | buZz | works |
| 15:33.00 | buZz | weird, why wouldnt a reboot work, but ssh localhost -do- ? O_o |
| 15:33.07 | fsmithred | no clue |
| 15:33.09 | buZz | where else could LC_TIME originate from? |
| 15:34.08 | fsmithred | I don't know |
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| 17:34.55 | buZz | ehw |
| 17:35.10 | buZz | i removed /etc/pulse assuming that apt install pulseaudio would bring back defaults |
| 17:35.13 | buZz | but it didnt? |
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| 17:37.29 | buZz | ok, apt purge pulseaudio; apt install pulseaudio |
| 17:37.34 | buZz | that -did- bring them back :) |
| 17:37.47 | buZz | still not working though , unable to find my soundcard in pulse |
| 17:41.39 | buZz | ah |
| 17:41.44 | buZz | apt remove timidity |
| 17:41.50 | buZz | and boom, pulseaudio suddenly works |
| 17:41.53 | buZz | what a clown package |
| 17:42.31 | buZz | lol chromium 'audio renderer error. please restart your computer' |
| 17:43.26 | buZz | ok, just a restart of chromium 'is enough |
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| 18:39.01 | james1138 | Sorry all for bounced in and out. I am changing to Pidgin for my IRC chats instead of the browser. |
| 18:42.34 | furrywolf | whatever irc client you were using is broken, and doesn't send parts/quits correctly. |
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| 18:45.04 | james1138 | Ahh... thanks. Found that and turned it off |
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| 19:47.15 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | D1conf: #devuan-conf https://devuan.org/d1conf | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | You may need to auth to NickServ |
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| 20:38.00 | dagelf | I thought you all would like to know that I crashed the latest systemd doing some pretty trivial stuff :-p |
| 20:38.09 | dagelf | on latest ubuntu |
| 20:38.46 | dagelf | smile and be happy |
| 20:40.50 | james1138 | <Homer Simspon voice> ....DOH!! |
| 20:41.39 | MinceR | :> |
| 20:42.12 | MinceR | one way to make systemd on ubuntu hang is to have it manage an nfs client, shutdown the nfs server, then shutdown the ubuntu box |
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| 22:21.26 | ibanja | Can docker be installed in Devuan? |
| 22:22.10 | gnarface | i've never done it but i've heard it can be done |
| 22:23.14 | ibanja | I couldn't get the service to run, so I uninstalled, and now I have a partially install docker error... dpkg: error processing package docker-ce (--remove) |
| 22:23.36 | ibanja | this happened twice now. I'm thinking it |
| 22:23.37 | gnarface | add --purge |
| 22:23.47 | ibanja | is to do with the init |
| 22:24.13 | ibanja | I did a purge. |
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| 22:26.38 | gnarface | apt-get --purge remove [package name] |
| 22:26.42 | gnarface | that doesn't clear it? |
| 22:26.43 | ibanja | I can fix the problem, but was wondering if anyone else had issues. I've been unsuccessful on two computers. |
| 22:26.52 | ibanja | No, it doesn't |
| 22:27.06 | gnarface | hang around, someone has to have seen the same error... |
| 22:27.30 | gnarface | try it from fully installed? |
| 22:27.54 | ibanja | I will try to install again |
| 22:28.04 | ibanja | then retry |
| 22:29.42 | gnarface | do you know what it leaves behind? |
| 22:29.47 | gnarface | or what it is choking on exactly? |
| 22:32.00 | ibanja | docker-ce-cli and containerd.io are both dependencies that it doesn't want to install. |
| 22:32.15 | ibanja | now it won't reinstall. |
| 22:33.15 | gnarface | ibanja: try adding the packages all to the same command-line |
| 22:34.35 | ibanja | gnarface: got it... apt-get -f install, which didn't work before fixed the issue. |
| 22:34.43 | ibanja | not it uninstalled... |
| 22:36.08 | ibanja | not should have been "now" ... now it is uninstalled. |
| 22:36.50 | ibanja | this is the second time this has happened on two different machines... I'm curious to see if anyone here has any pointers. |
| 22:40.18 | gnarface | i think if you put them all on the same command-line in the initial remove command it usually works |
| 22:40.23 | gnarface | but like i said, never tried tocker |
| 22:40.26 | gnarface | *docker |
| 22:40.36 | gnarface | it is probably a bug in the package |
| 22:46.47 | ibanja | I have a feeling it's a systemd thing.... The docker repo is designed with regular debian in mind. |
| 22:46.59 | ibanja | the docker repo, that is. |
| 22:54.49 | gnarface | it could be |
| 22:54.56 | gnarface | maybe it is permissions related somehow... |
| 23:03.45 | golinux | There are docker images at git.devuan.org |
| 23:04.09 | golinux | ibanja: You might want to check that out. |
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| 23:38.11 | kiwi_8 | devuan is great. |
| 23:40.52 | golinux | We made debian great again! |
| 23:42.09 | djph | golinux: well ... |
| 23:43.08 | golinux | djph: Sorry . . . just couldn't resist |
| 23:43.42 | djph | golinux: more the "debian is still crap, but at least there's a good alternative" |
| 23:45.00 | kiwi_8 | yes |
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| 23:49.02 | kiwi_8 | I wanted to express thank you for it, and the nice help I got from gnarface and fsmithred for helping installation issues. |
| 23:49.57 | gnarface | you're welcome kiwi_8 |
| 23:50.00 | kiwi_8 | How could i be that mislead? |
| 23:51.29 | kiwi_8 | ... all the years . |
| 23:52.21 | kiwi_8 | <PROTECTED> |