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| 15:13.46 | avbox | Over the last weeks I created a RAM based devuan beowulf based distro AVMultimedia, see https://sourceforge.net/projects/archivista It has kernel 5.2.x and all needed apps in RAM for a power desktop (inkl. 4k editing). How can it added to devuan-derivatives? |
| 15:20.09 | golinux | avbox: Please open a thread at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=9 so Devuan users can have a look. |
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| 15:23.15 | avbox | I try to register, but it is asking for default login manager. I answered bash. Unfortunatelly, it does not let me in. |
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| 15:25.34 | avbox | then it asked for the first five prime numbers (I answerd), then it asked for last name of linus torwards. I can't get in, or what is wrong? |
| 15:26.57 | omnio | then your answers were wrong? |
| 15:27.29 | omnio | maybe |
| 15:27.56 | avbox | First primer numbers: 1 3 5 7 11, name of linux founder: torwads, stable devuan release: ascii. One of the questions should be right? |
| 15:29.41 | nemo | avbox: well. "first prime numbers" is clearly wrong ð |
| 15:29.47 | nemo | oh. haha |
| 15:29.53 | nemo | I'm slow w/ joke |
| 15:32.25 | avbox | Ok, first prime numbers are 2 3 5 7 and 11, but stable devuan release is ascii, or not? And I answered too ssd as solid state disk, did not work. Should it be such difficult to register? |
| 15:33.11 | james1138 | Avbox: Like Knoppix[? |
| 15:33.40 | james1138 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions_that_run_from_RAM |
| 15:36.09 | nemo | avbox: anyway. bash is obv not a login manager ⺠|
| 15:36.21 | nemo | avbox: did you really say "torwads" ? I'm losing track of where you're being serious now |
| 15:36.24 | avbox | On second round I got it, registration was done, I will publish it there. About the question if it is like Knoppix, I don't think. I put everything on squashfs and copy all to tempfs ram, than I mount it with overlay. You don't need the stick after starting up and I can put al the stuff (actually 6gb) into 3gb of ram. |
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| 15:38.09 | avbox | nemo: Frankly spoke, first I'm not native english speaker, second (my problem) I'm not so eager to answer such questions, but as I already said, I managed it (I consulted web and wrote the right name of linus). No problem anymore. |
| 15:40.11 | nemo | ah ⺠|
| 15:40.31 | nemo | avbox: 'sall good. "torwads" and "1 3 5 7 11" seemed like deliberate joke wrong answers is all |
| 15:40.58 | avbox | nemo: It is serious, really no joke, but it might be that I'm a bit tired (was a huge job to get it all working). |
| 15:41.15 | nemo | avbox: Deutsche ou Français? ⺠|
| 15:41.29 | avbox | Even more worse, Swiss German |
| 15:41.48 | nemo | heh. 'sall good. french I learned was belgian so I pronounce my numbers all wrong |
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| 19:43.41 | helios21 | another grave systemd security issue: [oss-security] CVE-2019-15718: Missing access controls on systemd-resolved's D-Bus interface |
| 19:44.14 | Wonka | what could possibly go wrong... |
| 19:46.25 | Kjetil | Nothing. Nothing ever goes wrong with STD |
| 19:50.54 | fsmithred | Here's the link. Google doesn't know about it yet. https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2019/09/03/1 |
| 19:53.38 | Lydia_K | I'm just so glad they put so much effort into making a rounder wheel for us all </sarcasm> |
| 20:04.14 | r3boot | #debianfork people, this channel is about devuan |
| 20:15.40 | golinux | r3boot: Thank you for stating the obvious, Appreciate your help. :) |
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| 21:08.32 | tha1 | hello folks. quick question does Devuan get around sysd compatibility and the like in the same way as MX linux in thta there are still sysd files on the system or is Devuan devoidof all sysd files? |
| 21:09.00 | tha1 | also is there a way to dl ceres |
| 21:09.09 | tha1 | or i just add thos erepos |
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| 21:15.48 | gnarface | tha1: there are still systemd runtime libs but they're assumed to be vestigial in this state |
| 21:16.50 | gnarface | tha1: there's no ceres installer but you could always use debootstrap instead of upgrading from an older release |
| 21:17.28 | golinux | tha1: No. MX still allows users to switch to systemd if the want. IOW all the systemd hook remain in place. That is not possible in Devuan. |
| 21:18.19 | golinux | We have a blacklist of packages that are uninstallable because of systemd dependencies. |
| 21:18.36 | golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 21:19.31 | golinux | gnarface: https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/ |
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| 21:20.47 | gnarface | noted |
| 21:21.06 | golinux | https://mxlinux.org/blog/about-mx-19-and-systemd/ |
| 21:22.22 | james1138 | I agree with GoLinux - and found out the hard way that MX still has systemd... it is just "disabled". |
| 21:23.22 | golinux | They are still using a version of the systemd-shim |
| 21:23.55 | james1138 | After finding out the reality about MX - could not re-install Devuan fast enough for my taste. |
| 21:24.08 | tha1 | thank you i just wanted clarification. i appreciate mx linux posting it clearly on their page i just wanted to mae sure the absense of that disclaimer here didn't mean it just wasnt being disclosed ;) |
| 21:24.41 | tha1 | glad to hear there is no accomidations made |
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| 21:26.30 | james1138 | I think "MX" new nickname should be "Muddy" due to the mix-mash of systemd and systemd-free parts of Debian. <grin. |
| 21:27.05 | tha1 | yea i am not a fan of that either f not because i don't have the expertise or coding skill to evaluate the solution |
| 21:27.17 | james1138 | ...or "MX" equals "Mixed-up". |
| 21:27.39 | tha1 | i am looking for a pure sysd free os like parabola or gentoo but debian |
| 21:27.59 | r3boot | Well, there is Free/Open/NetBSD ofcourse |
| 21:28.13 | tha1 | yea ik lol |
| 21:28.27 | james1138 | Tha1: the choices are Knoppix or Devuan. |
| 21:28.32 | r3boot | those are guaranteed systemd free, but they do use shims for things like gnome (afaik, I run mine with xfce4) |
| 21:28.32 | tha1 | i mean if time was not of the essence i would use gentoo all the time |
| 21:29.28 | tha1 | void is interesting with the package manager that compiles to and i havent heard knoppix in a while thta is is old sysv ig? |
| 21:31.01 | james1138 | Thumbs up on XFCE. |
| 21:31.12 | gnarface | knoppix just released a new version with much fanfare that is once again systemd free |
| 21:31.29 | golinux | There is no shim in Devuan |
| 21:31.30 | tha1 | yea long time xfce fan myself. lx stuff was always buggy |
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| 21:31.37 | james1138 | https://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix860-en.html |
| 21:35.54 | golinux | How can knoppoix do gnome3 and KDE without systemd? |
| 21:36.27 | golinux | systemd isn't even mentioned on that page. So I'm confused . . . |
| 21:36.56 | golinux | But this discussion should probably move to #debianfork . . . |
| 21:36.56 | tha1 | yea i was just reading that link looks pure sysd to me |
| 21:37.06 | tha1 | oh sorry |
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