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| 01:54.46 | agris | Hello, I'm trying to build a backport, but my tools are giving me conflicting information |
| 01:55.13 | agris | I run # rmadison cgit --architecture amd64 and get the following response |
| 01:55.52 | agris | http://dpaste.com/2EZ0JY2 |
| 01:56.01 | agris | However, when I try to download the sources for stable |
| 01:56.13 | agris | It does NOT download the version rmadison says |
| 01:57.02 | agris | because the output of rmadison says stable = 1.2.1 i run the following command |
| 01:57.03 | agris | # apt source -t stable cgit |
| 01:57.16 | agris | however this does not download 1.1 |
| 01:57.40 | agris | *however this does NOT download 1.2.1 |
| 01:57.44 | agris | this downloads 1.1+git2.10.2-3+deb9u1 |
| 01:57.49 | agris | based on cgit sources 1.1 |
| 01:58.02 | agris | i'm an Devuan ASCII |
| 01:58.30 | agris | Am I doing something wrong? How do I download sources for cgit 1.2.1 ? |
| 02:02.14 | Jjp137 | my guess is that rmadison was never modified for Devuan, so "stable" in this case is actually Debian Buster |
| 02:02.23 | Jjp137 | from rmadison's point of view |
| 02:02.37 | Jjp137 | but Devuan's current stable is ascii, which has 1.1 I think |
| 02:02.41 | agris | hmm |
| 02:02.43 | Jjp137 | so that might be why |
| 02:03.05 | agris | so Do I add beowulf source to my apt.sources.list? |
| 02:08.07 | Jjp137 | uh...I guess you could, but just be careful I guess? not sure, really... |
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| 02:13.12 | agris | hmm |
| 02:13.20 | agris | think won't install build deps |
| 02:13.24 | gnarface | agris: ok hang on |
| 02:13.27 | gnarface | agris: here's what you do |
| 02:13.35 | gnarface | agris: 1) get build deps from ascii |
| 02:14.02 | gnarface | agris: 2) add ONLY the deb-src beowulf line |
| 02:14.14 | gnarface | agris: 3) get beowulf src package package |
| 02:14.24 | gnarface | agris: 4) attempt to build it against the ascii dependencies |
| 02:14.51 | gnarface | agris: 5) address any failures by repeating step 3 and 4 recursively for any complaining build deps |
| 02:15.04 | gnarface | that's how to do a natural backport |
| 02:15.23 | gnarface | but things get ugly if you have to patch anything manually or backport too many core system libraries |
| 02:15.42 | gnarface | (by the time you backport libc6 from beowulf, you have backported pretty much the whole distro and you might as well have just run beowulf) |
| 02:16.11 | gnarface | some stuff works better than others |
| 02:16.49 | gnarface | stuff that's really popular and easy to backport might have already been done for you though, so always check ascii-backports for it first (i assume you know that part already but it's surprising who does not) |
| 02:17.14 | agris | gnarface, can you please sanity check this |
| 02:17.42 | agris | Does the stable (ascii) build-deps of cgit (ascii) rely on a debhelper version that's NOT in ascii? |
| 02:17.53 | agris | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.59 | gnarface | they should not but i can't guarantee that |
| 02:18.17 | gnarface | if you've mixed repos before though, you might have some debian buster packages accidentally |
| 02:18.22 | gnarface | buster or bullseye or whatever it is |
| 02:18.34 | gnarface | that could be causing weird dependency complaints |
| 02:18.38 | agris | hmm |
| 02:18.57 | agris | is there a command to show any packages installed from beowulf? |
| 02:20.12 | gnarface | uh, yes i'm sure there is |
| 02:20.19 | agris | do you know it? |
| 02:20.32 | gnarface | er, well |
| 02:20.44 | gnarface | i know a way to do it, but there might be an easier way |
| 02:21.05 | gnarface | apt-cache policy [package name] |
| 02:21.11 | gnarface | that should tell you |
| 02:21.18 | gnarface | i think |
| 02:21.57 | gnarface | if you just run "dpkg -l" and check all the versions manually against pkginfo.devuan.org that would work too |
| 02:22.03 | gnarface | i realize that's a very tedious way to approach it |
| 02:22.09 | agris | nope, looks like only n=ascii installed |
| 02:22.13 | agris | I just greped the output |
| 02:22.26 | gnarface | hmm |
| 02:22.41 | gnarface | you have not added deb lines from beowulf yet, right? |
| 02:22.54 | agris | I removed all of those and apt updated |
| 02:23.05 | gnarface | that's the big reason to only add deb-src, because the src packages don't screw with your dependency tree like the binary packages do |
| 02:23.46 | gnarface | what version of cgit is it you've got? |
| 02:23.59 | agris | on the build machine i'm using none |
| 02:24.06 | agris | on my webserver vrsion 1.1 |
| 02:24.15 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.16 | gnarface | [ascii-security] cgit-1.1+git2.10.2-3+deb9u1 |
| 02:24.22 | gnarface | pkgmaster says these are the ascii versions |
| 02:24.35 | gnarface | do you have ascii-security in your sources.list too? |
| 02:24.54 | agris | yes |
| 02:24.54 | gnarface | (*sorry pkginfo i meant) |
| 02:25.24 | agris | wait a minute |
| 02:25.34 | agris | it just decided to randomly work again |
| 02:25.40 | agris | I don't think I changed anything |
| 02:25.42 | gnarface | odd... |
| 02:25.42 | agris | odd |
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| 02:25.53 | agris | apt-get build-dep cgit |
| 02:26.13 | agris | ok give me a minute while I follow your instructions |
| 02:26.30 | gnarface | maybe it worked after running apt-get update? maybe you forgot apt-get update first? or maybe you just hit a bad mirror in the round-robin. people have been having issues while mirrors update. |
| 02:27.03 | agris | bad mirror probably |
| 02:27.13 | agris | I have a LOT of issues with devuan mirrors |
| 02:27.39 | agris | ok so I installed the build-deps for cgit ascii |
| 02:27.42 | gnarface | there's barely over a dozen of them, so the chances of hitting one in the middle of an update is significantly higher than with debian |
| 02:27.43 | agris | now adding eb-src http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib to sources |
| 02:28.11 | agris | running apt update again |
| 02:29.06 | gnarface | if you're really lucky it'll build fine against the ascii dependency versions with no complaints |
| 02:29.18 | gnarface | then you have a nice clean backport |
| 02:29.28 | agris | apt source -t beowulf cgit |
| 02:29.40 | agris | E: The value 'beowulf' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 02:29.40 | agris | E: Unable to find a source package for |
| 02:30.03 | gnarface | hmm, should have worked i think.... |
| 02:30.10 | agris | hmm. does this mean bad mirror? |
| 02:30.15 | gnarface | you added a deb-src line, not "eb-src" right? |
| 02:30.29 | agris | yes |
| 02:30.42 | agris | deb-src http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib |
| 02:30.56 | gnarface | try changing it to just deb.devuan.org and run "apt-get update" again |
| 02:31.55 | gnarface | i have had probems with us.deb.devuan.org myself, but last i heard it doesn't even point anywhere different yet |
| 02:32.09 | agris | i changed it to deb.debuan.org and updated 3 times |
| 02:32.16 | agris | no different effect |
| 02:32.19 | gnarface | still says beowulf is invalid for release? |
| 02:32.24 | gnarface | grrr, what am i missing here. hmmm |
| 02:32.25 | agris | yes |
| 02:32.35 | agris | are you sure the deb line isn't needed as well? |
| 02:32.40 | gnarface | yea |
| 02:32.40 | agris | not just the deb-src |
| 02:32.49 | gnarface | yea, i'm sure of that and that wouldn't cause this |
| 02:33.17 | gnarface | when you ran apt update was there any errors? |
| 02:33.24 | gnarface | like 404 errors? |
| 02:33.26 | agris | no |
| 02:33.33 | gnarface | cause THAT would cause this |
| 02:33.41 | agris | just HIT and IGN |
| 02:33.46 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:33.49 | gnarface | IGN is ignored |
| 02:33.52 | gnarface | which ones were ignored? |
| 02:34.07 | agris | not Devuan's repos. Trinity Desktop's |
| 02:34.24 | gnarface | oh, you have other stuff in there? hmmmm |
| 02:34.27 | gnarface | i wonder if it could be an issue |
| 02:34.35 | agris | Just Trinity for Devuan Ascii |
| 02:34.43 | gnarface | what happens if ONLY the deb-src line for beowulf is uncommented when you run apt update? |
| 02:34.56 | agris | let me try that |
| 02:35.09 | agris | comment EVERYTHING except deb-src beowulf? |
| 02:35.43 | gnarface | yea |
| 02:35.45 | gnarface | just for this test |
| 02:36.01 | gnarface | a src package literally just unzips in the current directory. it should not bring any dependencies whatsoever. |
| 02:36.20 | agris | it worked |
| 02:36.24 | agris | however, W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'cgit_1.2.1+git2.18.0-1.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 02:36.31 | agris | despite running as root? |
| 02:36.35 | gnarface | interesting. wtf, weird |
| 02:36.39 | agris | running it again seems to work |
| 02:36.46 | gnarface | though, you should know that you don't need root to do this |
| 02:36.51 | agris | if I delete the files and do it again same effect |
| 02:37.04 | gnarface | since the src package unzips in the current directory, you could just do this as your own user |
| 02:37.21 | gnarface | in fact it's strongly advised you do not build as root, either |
| 02:37.40 | agris | ok |
| 02:38.20 | agris | worked |
| 02:38.22 | agris | but should note |
| 02:38.23 | agris | NOTICE: 'cgit' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: |
| 02:38.23 | agris | https://salsa.debian.org/debian/cgit.git |
| 02:38.23 | agris | Please use: |
| 02:38.23 | agris | git clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/cgit.git |
| 02:38.23 | agris | to retrieve the latest (possibly unreleased) updates to the package |
| 02:38.53 | agris | probably unrelated |
| 02:39.06 | gnarface | that's for developers |
| 02:39.14 | gnarface | just warning them to use a new version |
| 02:39.21 | gnarface | that doesn't apply to you here |
| 02:40.27 | gnarface | so in a fair world, you should be able to just build it now with something like "dpkg-buildpkg -us -uc" |
| 02:40.50 | gnarface | sorry, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:41.26 | gnarface | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
| 02:41.49 | gnarface | (things get more complicated if you're building signed packages or something for mass distribution, but this should be fine for personal use on a system only you have access to) |
| 02:42.13 | gnarface | fakeroot is in it's own package but might have been left out of the build dependencies accidentally |
| 02:42.16 | agris | running a build simulation now |
| 02:42.23 | agris | seems to be working so far |
| 02:42.39 | agris | btw, is there any way to pass -j to make to speed this up? |
| 02:42.50 | gnarface | heh, i'm sure there is but i forget |
| 02:42.56 | gnarface | i forget exactly where to put it |
| 02:42.58 | agris | no worries |
| 02:43.08 | gnarface | oh, actually |
| 02:43.11 | gnarface | i just checked the man page |
| 02:43.22 | gnarface | dpkg-buildpackage does indeed honor -j [jobs] |
| 02:43.39 | agris | thank you for your help |
| 02:43.45 | gnarface | passes it through to an environment variable that make honors in turn, i guess |
| 02:43.47 | gnarface | no problem |
| 02:44.03 | agris | so, what are you thinking caused the NOT IN RELEASE error when downloading sources? |
| 02:44.17 | gnarface | a syntax error in your sources.list |
| 02:44.29 | gnarface | on one of the previous, unrelated lines |
| 02:44.33 | gnarface | just a guess |
| 02:44.38 | agris | I'll have to check that |
| 02:45.13 | gnarface | it could be possible for a badly configured repo to choke up the cache though, i don't know for sure it's not possible. that's why that trinity desktop thing you mentioned was suspect, no other reason. |
| 02:45.45 | agris | Trinity is the continuation of KDE 3.5 |
| 02:46.06 | agris | sorta like how Debian screwed up so Devuan exists now |
| 02:46.20 | agris | KDE:Trinity |
| 02:46.21 | gnarface | i'm not judging you for it :) |
| 02:47.27 | gnarface | it's just that when you hang out in a support channel for long enough, you notice certain behaviors carry conspicuously higher risk factors |
| 02:47.31 | gnarface | and mixing repos is one of them |
| 02:47.53 | gnarface | mixing distros or 3rd party repos |
| 02:48.19 | gnarface | it's one of those things the system doesn't protect well against |
| 02:48.50 | gnarface | a package made for a different distro, or with a small mistake in the dependency headers, can silently corrupt your installation in a way that might not even become apparent until years later |
| 02:49.10 | gnarface | (usually the next time you dist-upgrade) |
| 02:50.22 | agris | noted |
| 02:57.18 | agris | awesome |
| 02:57.31 | agris | It worked and I just installed it on my webserver |
| 02:57.56 | agris | simple dpkg -i upgraded it server-wide in place |
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| 04:35.58 | agris | I was looking at the source for rmadison |
| 04:36.10 | agris | it appears it queries debian' => "https://api.ftp-master.debian.org/madison" |
| 04:36.32 | agris | Does Devuan have a madison API url I could point to? |
| 04:37.20 | agris | it looks like the rmadison tool also has support for Ubuntu built in, and a small vendor check that points to a ubuntu URL if the OS vendor is Ubuntu |
| 04:37.46 | agris | I could easily write a check for Vendor = Devuan, and point it to a Devuan specific URL |
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| 05:15.41 | golinux | agris: Most packages that Devuan uses come duiirectly from Debian via redirect. |
| 05:17.27 | golinux | It's more sophisticated than this but will give you an idea: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/amprolla.png |
| 05:27.19 | golinux | There is no rmadison available in Devuan but there is a madison: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/madison-lite_0.22.html and it comes from Debian |
| 05:27.47 | golinux | agris: ^^^ |
| 05:28.07 | agris | ok |
| 05:28.54 | golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ can tell you what's available in Devuan |
| 05:30.14 | golinux | If you don't see what you're looking for, check https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 05:43.09 | Jjp137 | for reference, rmadison is part of the devscripts package |
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| 06:38.38 | golinux | Jjp137: Really? I' m not seeing it in any of the devscripts packages: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=devscripts&release=any |
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| 07:30.02 | Jjp137 | golinux, the long description from Debian's page, which pkginfo does not display for some reason, says so: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/devscripts |
| 07:30.25 | Jjp137 | it also shows up in the file list: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/devscripts/filelist |
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| 08:05.44 | agris | There are SEVERE peering issues between europe and the US which are causing devuan package downloads and updates to be capped at 10 kb/s |
| 08:06.07 | agris | I see that it is possible to download release ISOs via bittorrent |
| 08:06.30 | agris | Is there a way to download debs over bittorrent or similar p2p protocol like gnunet? |
| 08:06.48 | agris | gnutella |
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| 09:02.55 | agris | ok |
| 09:03.01 | agris | so I was looking at packet traces |
| 09:03.22 | agris | It's not so much peering issues as it is APT not connecting to debuan repos for debian packages |
| 09:03.54 | agris | pkgmaster.devuan.org sends a temporary redirect, but for some reason APT still tries to download packages through the devuan mirror |
| 09:04.04 | agris | instead of connecting to debian |
| 09:04.24 | agris | does anybody know anything about this? |
| 09:07.18 | agris | wait no |
| 09:07.27 | agris | It's just using a non-optimal debian mirror |
| 09:07.30 | agris | deb.debian.org |
| 09:07.52 | agris | Is there any way to have APT use a specific debian mirror when it gets those redirects? |
| 09:11.12 | rrq | agris: i missed the beginning; what are you trying to do? |
| 09:13.06 | onefang | Devuan mirrors do the redirect to Debian themselves. So that those mirrors that host a Debian mirror as well get the chance to just supply the package. |
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| 09:27.28 | agris | It's the Debian fastly mirror that's complete garbage and messing everything up |
| 09:29.09 | onefang | deb.debian.org is responsible for choosing where to redirect people, nothing we can do about that. Let Debian know. |
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| 19:09.01 | Human_G33k | there is somewhere a tuto for migrate sytemd script to sysinit ? |
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| 19:15.24 | fsmithred | Human_G33k, there are tutorials for converting sysvinit scripts to systemd files. Follow those in reverse (something like that.) |
| 19:16.12 | fsmithred | and/or find source code for older versions of the software that still had the sysvinit scripts |
| 19:18.47 | Human_G33k | fsmithred, the soft is not old enougth |
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| 19:21.30 | fsmithred | you get to learn how to write init scripts |
| 19:22.07 | fsmithred | look at some examples and copy parts that seem appropriate, pluggin in whatever is useful from the systemd files |
| 19:23.22 | fsmithred | there should be some good tutorials on how to write an init script |
| 19:24.29 | Human_G33k | yep |
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| 20:00.36 | nexgen2 | Does not Gentoo has some scripts missing for Devuan? |
| 20:03.45 | specing | Gentoo has OpenRC scripts, not sysvinit ones |
| 20:06.44 | nexgen2 | is not it easier to have OpenRC script for a conversion? |
| 20:06.51 | nexgen2 | than nothing or a systemD |
| 20:06.54 | nexgen2 | one |
| 20:09.14 | specing | Sure, esp if you already run OpenRC and thus need not to convert anything :) |
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| 23:57.55 | agris | What will Devuan do with Regards to XFCE 4.14? |
| 23:58.20 | agris | which makes gtk3 mandatory and hides functionality behind hamburger menus |
| 23:58.33 | agris | and looks like a phone app rather than a computer program |
| 23:58.46 | agris | will Devuan merge this into stable? |
| 23:58.56 | agris | or is there another option |
