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| 01:14.50 | aslan | sorry, i just got out of the hospital last week and still adjusting to being home. |
| 01:15.58 | furrywolf | has an aslan jaguar, and wonders if the nick is any relation... |
| 01:17.53 | aslan | furrywolf: think c.s.lewis |
| 01:18.30 | furrywolf | I never read much fiction... |
| 01:18.30 | aslan | gnarface: beowulf out by end of year? |
| 01:19.21 | furrywolf | (I've never read any of c.s. lewis's works) |
| 01:19.26 | aslan | furrywolf: c.s.lewis, the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. Narnia Series |
| 01:19.48 | aslan | furrywolf: watch the movie. |
| 01:20.23 | aslan | gnarface: how have you been? |
| 01:20.35 | furrywolf | I don't like movies. lol |
| 01:20.35 | aslan | gnarface: long long time no read |
| 01:20.43 | furrywolf | in any case, oh well, nothing to do with my favorite toys. |
| 01:21.16 | aslan | laying in a hospital movies and audiobooks are all I had to keep me sane. |
| 01:21.44 | gnarface | aslan: i haven't heard anything official. last i heard they were still casually polling for an inventory of broken packages |
| 01:22.20 | gnarface | aslan: i don't think the end of the year is impossible, but i don't think the process is that easy to predict because volunteer time fluctuates so wildly |
| 01:22.29 | aslan | ah. okay. I have been out of circulation since last December |
| 01:22.48 | gnarface | several people have reported beowulf works fine for them |
| 01:23.17 | gnarface | i think there are some known breakages with permissions backends and gui login prompt stuff still (the usual suspects) |
| 01:23.36 | aslan | gnarface: is there an installer for beowulf? |
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| 01:24.23 | gnarface | aslan: last i heard no, aside from an unofficial build of the mini.iso |
| 01:24.53 | gnarface | aslan: people are mostly just doing a clean ascii netinstall and then upgrading from that |
| 01:25.05 | aslan | gnarface: how would I go about to install beowulf on a test disk? |
| 01:25.26 | aslan | gnarface: ah, i see you answered it. |
| 01:25.33 | gnarface | well you could use debootstrap instead |
| 01:25.39 | gnarface | that is also an option |
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| 01:26.03 | aslan | gnarface: is there a new installer for ascii? |
| 01:26.12 | gnarface | yea that has been available |
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| 01:28.03 | gnarface | aslan: all under here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ |
| 01:28.17 | gnarface | ARM stuff in the embedded subdirectory |
| 01:28.36 | gnarface | regular installers in the installer-iso directory |
| 01:28.58 | aslan | i lost two hard drives the day after i was released from the hispotail. ComEd "blinked" the power twice at 23:00 hours. the hard drives were spin down when power was restored and they started to spin up then it "blinked" again. the hard drives just gave up |
| 01:29.19 | gnarface | ouch |
| 01:29.48 | gnarface | power is quite unprofessionally managed here too, so i just started putting everything i care about on battery backup |
| 01:30.07 | gnarface | over a long enough time frame i learned it actually saves money |
| 01:30.22 | aslan | crashed all my machines. the macs and raspberry pi recovered fine. the intel/amd boxes not so well |
| 01:31.47 | aslan | i need to get 6 deep discharge marine batteries for the inverter. |
| 01:32.25 | gnarface | so, this keeps coming up, but someone once told me that there is nothing different about marine batteries except the housing. |
| 01:32.35 | furrywolf | heh, I have 40 golf cart batteries. batteries suck. :) |
| 01:32.48 | aslan | I would like to get a few of the 24volt or 48volt telephone company batteries. |
| 01:33.30 | gnarface | i.e., marine batteries just cost extra because they can survive being on a boat at sea for longer, which is a very harsh environment with high temperature fluctuations. theoretically just regular generic car lead-acid batteries should work just as well for deep cycling as long as you keep them out of the sun |
| 01:33.50 | furrywolf | gnarface: a starting battery has lots of thin plates. they provide lots of current, but wear out quickly if cycled. a marine battery has a medium number of medium thickness plates. they provide moderate current and can be cycled a few times. deep cycle batteries have big thick plates, which makes it so they can't put out much current, but you can cycle them a bunch before the plates crack, dump off all the lead paste, etc. |
| 01:33.59 | aslan | a friend has those but they are large and heavy. not easy for a person in a wheelchair to deal with. |
| 01:34.09 | furrywolf | no. a car battery gets about a dozen deep cycles before you have scrap lead. heh. |
| 01:34.11 | gnarface | that's just something someone told me who claims to have tested themselves in their garage, i haven't tested this theory myself. i'd make sure to have some sort of plastic acid-proof mat or bucket in case of ruptures |
| 01:34.54 | furrywolf | marine batteries still aren't good for repetitive cycling, but they'll handle it better than a car starting battery. for repetitive cycling, you should get a proper deep cycle. |
| 01:35.01 | gnarface | furrywolf: that's interesting information. the person who told me they were the same though did claim to have cracked several open to check |
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| 01:35.40 | furrywolf | and he's wrong about the one difference he says... the cases are exactly the same. lol |
| 01:35.49 | furrywolf | same polypropylene cases as everything else |
| 01:35.50 | gnarface | hah |
| 01:35.54 | gnarface | noted |
| 01:36.27 | gnarface | i'll have to see if i can get him to give me some specific brand names he tried this comparison with |
| 01:38.03 | furrywolf | it's possible that some brands are putting shitty starting batteries in cases with marine stickers stuck to them... would not surprise me one bit. but a proper marine battery is halfway between a starting battery and a deepcycle battery. |
| 01:38.07 | aslan | eries |
| 01:38.42 | aslan | furrywolf: you need some tesla batteries |
| 01:38.55 | furrywolf | marine batteries are combination starting/cycling batteries... and not really good at either one. all proper setups use starting batteries for the engine and deep cycle batteries for the house loads. |
| 01:40.16 | aslan | s |
| 01:40.23 | furrywolf | only place I use marine batteries is my subaru, because it needs to both start the engine, and be able to run my inverter and such without damage. otherwise I use seperate starting/house banks for everything. |
| 01:40.42 | furrywolf | not much room to put a row of L16s in the subaru. :) |
| 01:41.32 | aslan | well i have to go, it is morphine time. |
| 01:41.38 | aslan | bye for now |
| 01:41.41 | furrywolf | cyas |
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| 14:04.16 | nemo | furrywolf: huh. interesting. I assumed marine batteries were mostly about corrosion resistance and avoiding shorts due to salt air |
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| 14:48.22 | furrywolf | no. other than including studs as well as sae posts, their construction is identical. |
| 14:48.26 | furrywolf | (external construction) |
| 14:52.03 | nemo | furrywolf: since you know something about batteries clearly |
| 14:52.14 | nemo | someone I know bought a cabin, out in middle of nowhere so he put in solar panels |
| 14:52.42 | nemo | furrywolf: he was hoping to improve the usefulness of them with something like musk's "solar wall" but I guess home made |
| 14:53.14 | nemo | furrywolf: trick is, he's not there very often, the cabin is in middle of canadian wilderness so temperatures in winter would be often far below freezing |
| 14:53.56 | nemo | furrywolf: was wondering what the tricks were for ensuring batteries continue to charge in a situation like that. large temperature swings, often below 0°C |
| 14:54.06 | nemo | I'm guessing you can't just insulate without risking overheating in discharging |
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| 15:32.32 | djph | nemo: what battery chemistry? |
| 15:33.58 | furrywolf | insulation combined with a vent fan |
| 15:34.40 | furrywolf | make sure you have enough solar to keep them fully charged; discharged batteries freeze at a much higher temperature than charged batteries. |
| 15:35.24 | furrywolf | many charge controllers have an option to switch on a vent fan during charging to vent hydrogen. heating during discharging is pretty much a non-issue. if discharging is making your batteries hot, you have a severely undersized battery bank. |
| 15:35.34 | Evilham | :-D can this move tpmo the OT channel? |
| 15:35.54 | Evilham | #debianfork IIRC |
| 15:36.51 | Evilham | Itll make it easier for those who catch up with the channel history |
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| 17:53.30 | AlexLikeRock | good morning |
| 17:55.48 | AlexLikeRock | i have duplicate signals at KDE-Network manager |
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| 23:24.03 | TwistedFate | woah, '-enable-kvm' speeds qemu quite a bit |
| 23:24.25 | debdog | : true |
| 23:24.40 | rrq | is also using -cpu host |
| 23:25.07 | TwistedFate | rrq: does it emulate cpu unless that flag is specified? |
| 23:25.17 | rrq | I believe so |
| 23:25.42 | TwistedFate | it does, drat >.< |
| 23:26.26 | rrq | then I'm also using "-smp cpus=4,cores=4" since I don't do anything useful on the host anyhow |
| 23:30.24 | TwistedFate | weird, it still emulates the cpu when i specify -cpu host |
| 23:31.29 | rrq | ok. didn't know that. |
| 23:31.49 | TwistedFate | hmm |
| 23:33.34 | DonkeyHotei | i typically invoke "kvm" rather than "qemu" |
| 23:34.01 | DonkeyHotei | they are the same executable, but the former assumes '-enable-kvm' by default |
| 23:34.23 | DonkeyHotei | makes the full command visibly shorter |
| 23:37.59 | rrq | I'm typically using ./$VM.sh as I'm too lazy to try to remember the particulars for each $VM :) |
| 23:39.21 | DonkeyHotei | yes, but ./$VM.sh invokes a command |
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| 23:42.07 | rrq | indeed. and I shouldn't pretend to be too old to learn... though I haven't got/set the kvm link (yet) |
| 23:44.21 | DonkeyHotei | rrq: apt-get install qemu-kvm |
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