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| 06:44.44 | dacav_ | drizzt: Thanks for your help. Yes, I've stumbled into a couple of articles about settings for the shared UART... The Pi3 image is a vanilla image, downloaded from the devuan site. But I'll read up the link you sent me. Thanks :) |
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| 07:17.18 | agris | Hello, How do I generate a backported package? |
| 07:18.06 | agris | I want to install cgit v1.2.1 but all that exists in stable is 1.1 and apt-get install -t ascii-backports cgit doesn't seem to change anything |
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| 07:38.39 | drawkula | grab debian's deb-src of it and rebuild it on ascii? |
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| 07:44.39 | agris | ok |
| 07:44.52 | agris | and anybody have any idea why I can't set any ip6tables? |
| 07:45.19 | agris | what |
| 07:45.19 | agris | nvm |
| 07:45.24 | agris | thanks |
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| 09:08.19 | drizzt | agris: you can also try to change your source.list to add unstable, update the latest version, and switch back. |
| 09:08.54 | drizzt | Or you can download the .deb and install the package using dpkg -i |
| 09:09.53 | drizzt | pool/DEBIAN/main/c/cgit/cgit_1.2.1+git2.18.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 09:12.28 | drizzt | agris: and for iptables, the people handling iptables packages seem to have a big personnal problem ... they replaced the content of iptables by nft |
| 09:13.30 | drizzt | instead of creating a new package which does not break every system |
| 09:13.58 | agris | what the fuck |
| 09:14.05 | drizzt | their new solution is not yet fully functionnal, so they had to impose it on everyone |
| 09:14.13 | drizzt | think about systemd ... |
| 09:14.21 | drizzt | you hopefully should have /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy |
| 09:14.27 | agris | what is this? gtk3 but for network administrators? |
| 09:14.40 | drizzt | remove the link /usr/sbin/ip6tables |
| 09:14.42 | agris | who did this? netfilter or debian? |
| 09:14.49 | drizzt | and ls -s /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy /usr/sbin/ip6tables |
| 09:14.59 | drizzt | and ln -s /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy /usr/sbin/ip6tables |
| 09:15.04 | drizzt | not ls |
| 09:15.39 | drizzt | who ? don't know ... don't have time anymore to argue with debian maintainers |
| 09:15.53 | agris | iptables isn't even stable yet, how can we be switching? |
| 09:16.17 | agris | ip6tables doesn't handle connection filtering on FF02 addresses 100% correctly yet |
| 09:16.33 | drizzt | they will always tell users that thezy know nothing, that it's not their fault but another package fault, or such kind of things |
| 09:16.53 | agris | so is this it? Is debian kicking everything they stood for in the bucket? |
| 09:17.38 | drizzt | agris: nft is the new framework in the kernel from what I understood, in order to solve many ip/xt/nf tables problems |
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| 09:18.19 | drizzt | but it's not yet a replacement of ip/xt/nf tables as some parts are not working yet |
| 09:18.31 | drizzt | and it's a new tool, which needs to be tested |
| 09:18.48 | agris | Ithat's not the debian way |
| 09:18.49 | drizzt | and the command syntaxe is not compatible with iptables one |
| 09:19.41 | drizzt | but they say it's simpler (the syntax) ... but it's not the case from my point of view |
| 09:19.47 | drizzt | it's unreadable |
| 09:20.48 | drizzt | options do not have dashes anymore, so you get long lines and no clue to what is an option name and what is the option argument |
| 09:21.49 | agris | i'm all for getting a PF like syntax for Linux but not being the beta tester of an experimental implementation |
| 09:22.11 | drizzt | and the worst is the fact that being unable to make somthing good, they had to replace a working tool by their new shit to force others to test and use it, breaking all machines using it |
| 09:23.28 | drizzt | but debian doesn't care anymore about users. |
| 09:24.19 | drizzt | Bug reported : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=912087 won't be fixed |
| 09:25.11 | drizzt | systemd creator even writes that they wont fix until somone manages to make an exploit of the bug : https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4167 |
| 09:25.26 | drizzt | (one they notice ...) |
| 09:26.03 | drizzt | that's how they think security works ... |
| 09:26.30 | drizzt | anyway, gotta fo, have fun :) |
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| 09:34.44 | Evilham | Hum, I've actually used nftables quite successfully since ascii/stretch |
| 09:35.36 | Evilham | But I was indeed surprised to see that it was being pushed that way for buster |
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| 10:39.07 | drizzt | Evilham: ho, it's far from unusable, but nft websites states that some parts are still missing |
| 10:39.34 | drizzt | and breaking systems to force them to move to nft is stupid |
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| 10:39.59 | drizzt | many (most ?) people will do the exact opposite |
| 10:40.48 | Evilham | Yup, it was a bit rushed |
| 10:46.06 | drizzt | same as systemd ... seems to be the new debian way (or same for all major distributions ?) |
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| 10:46.45 | drizzt | makes me feel it's as good as systemd ... |
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| 17:36.25 | grayrider | why is "nethack" installed by default?? |
| 17:38.54 | Jjp137 | by any chance, did you select the console productivity task during install? for some reason, nethack-console is a recommended package of task-console-productivity, and iirc recommends are enabled by default |
| 17:38.59 | Jjp137 | otherwise, I have no idea |
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| 17:51.56 | grayrider | look at the source code for nethack. Disguised as dungeons and dragons. |
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| 17:53.08 | grayrider | I think I did select console productivity now that you mention it. Live and learn. |
| 17:54.37 | grayrider | Looks like a typical trojan |
| 18:03.52 | jonadab | NetHack is a game. Not sure why it would be recommended by a productivity package. |
| 18:04.05 | jonadab | I mean, it's a _good_ game, but I'm not sure how that qualifies as productive. |
| 18:05.15 | jonadab | Rather the opposite, if anything. You start playing, and five years later you realize you haven't done anything productive ad interim. |
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| 18:13.02 | devuan | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks |
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| 18:50.54 | retak | does it output from other programs like ls? ^^ |
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| 19:14.59 | devuan1 | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks |
| 19:17.33 | retak | devuan1, what is with commands like ls? ^^ |
| 19:19.24 | devuan1 | retak: everything is all right with other commands.Just the mentioned three commands does not work in xfce-terminal and mate -terminal.In xterm and uxterm they are working |
| 19:20.01 | retak | strange. this commands does nothing special else then the others |
| 19:20.17 | retak | maybe no user is logged in? :D |
| 19:21.16 | Akuli | seems like 'who' shows a list of xterms that are currently running, but mate-terminals don't show up in the list |
| 19:21.27 | Akuli | i opened multiple xterms and saw them all in 'who' output |
| 19:22.57 | fsmithred | who gives no output here (ascii) but w does. |
| 19:23.02 | devuan1 | retak:When i encountered this behavior i tried to reset both terminals, it worked once, i could get the correct output,but afterwards it just stoped.This is what i get https://pastebin.com/QtTBQq9b |
| 19:23.09 | fsmithred | sort of... |
| 19:23.19 | fsmithred | 0 users |
| 19:23.24 | Akuli | try opening up a bunch of xterms |
| 19:23.41 | fsmithred | i guess I don't count |
| 19:24.13 | devuan1 | Akuli: it works in Xterm and Uxterm but xfce-terminal and mate-terminal nothing |
| 19:24.14 | fsmithred | from the current terminal or from somewhere else? |
| 19:24.41 | Akuli | devuan1, open 3 or so xterms and uxterms, then while they are open, run 'who' in mate-terminal |
| 19:25.03 | Akuli | if i don't close or open terminals, i always get the same output in every terminal |
| 19:26.00 | fsmithred | yeah, mine lists the tree xterms |
| 19:26.24 | fsmithred | xfce-term is not counted, even if I run 'who' from the xterm |
| 19:26.25 | devuan1 | Akuli:Yes now i can see the output in xfce-terminal |
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| 19:26.49 | _abc_ | Is the firefox on devuan ascii mainline immune against the exploits mentioned here: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/09/coinbase_pwned/ ?? |
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| 19:27.09 | devuan1 | Akuli: as said just tree xterms no xfce-term |
| 19:28.30 | Akuli | i think the terminals are starting bash differently |
| 19:28.41 | Akuli | if i log in from a tty, i see it in 'who' output |
| 19:29.48 | _abc_ | bash started withouth - is not a login shell and not in who |
| 19:30.22 | Akuli | x session works without a login shell? |
| 19:30.36 | _abc_ | x session itself usually logs itself as a "login" |
| 19:30.43 | devuan1 | As i said at the begining it displayed the output twice but since then it does not show anything |
| 19:30.46 | _abc_ | terminals have the choice to do that too or not |
| 19:31.28 | _abc_ | f.ex. now I'm on ascii and w shows no-one home, only X11 session is on, with several xfce4-terminals open |
| 19:31.39 | _abc_ | This is in fact a failure of the system but a small one |
| 19:32.14 | fsmithred | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11707 |
| 19:32.17 | _abc_ | Also last and lastlog lie in that a lot of people did never log in. |
| 19:32.19 | fsmithred | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 |
| 19:32.31 | fsmithred | _abc_, ^^^ firefox-esr |
| 19:32.45 | _abc_ | fsmithred: but are they fixed in esr? I'm on the latest esr |
| 19:33.17 | _abc_ | stretch is ascii no? |
| 19:33.20 | fsmithred | 60.8 in ascii is fixed |
| 19:33.23 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:33.23 | Akuli | $ firefox --version |
| 19:33.24 | Akuli | Mozilla Firefox 60.8.0 |
| 19:33.36 | _abc_ | I also have 60.8.0esr |
| 19:33.51 | _abc_ | fsmithred: can I /query you? |
| 19:33.52 | Akuli | array.pop lol |
| 19:34.06 | fsmithred | it's in ascii-security |
| 19:34.12 | fsmithred | and also jessie-security |
| 19:34.21 | fsmithred | yes, pm please |
| 19:38.33 | devuan1 | So i guess its a bug and should be reported |
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