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| 01:42.50 | Beerbelott | What would be your suggestion in order to import DNS query abilities into OpenTTD: Either an external DNS client library (ldns, although not cross-compatible as-is? Another one?) or hand-crafting a lil bit of code for the specific required queries? |
| 01:42.58 | Beerbelott | Whoops wrong channel.. |
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| 08:39.17 | AEonFyr | If I'm not wrong, the general advice here regarding enabling backports is: don't because it might override something and break stuff. |
| 08:41.05 | AEonFyr | But the Devuan instructions at Let's Encrypt specifically require backports be enabled: https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-other.html |
| 08:41.19 | AEonFyr | Using 'aptitude show certbot' and 'aptitude show certbot -t ascii-backports' I don't see a lot of differences. Versions seem to be the same. |
| 08:41.28 | AEonFyr | 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 vs 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1 |
| 08:41.38 | AEonFyr | Depends are similar, with ascii having an additional dependancy on init-system-helpers |
| 08:41.46 | AEonFyr | Is there any real difference between them? |
| 08:41.56 | AEonFyr | Are the Let's Encrypt instructions still current (Maybe from Devuan's early days?) and everyone that uses certbot has backports permanently enabled? |
| 08:43.26 | Evilham | Crttbot is bloated, look into alternatives |
| 08:44.18 | Evilham | Also: that also applied to stretch IIRC buster / beowulf don't need backports for certbot (it's still bloated) |
| 08:45.12 | Evilham | Good options are acme-tiny, acme.sh, there's a bunch more listed on LE's website |
| 08:46.10 | AEonFyr | Yes, the instructions relate to stretch/ascii. I'm still on ascii server side until beowolf goes stable. |
| 08:47.04 | Evilham | I had had issues with certbot in the past, it's a crazy huge beast, since I switched to lightweight acme clients everything works perfectly |
| 08:47.18 | Evilham | I strongly recommend you take a look into that :-D |
| 08:47.57 | AEonFyr | Alternatives are an option, but I'm familiar with certbot, it seems to work reliably with little to no need to watch it. And I'm lazy. ;) |
| 08:55.31 | AEonFyr | Wow there's a lot of clients since the last time I looked :O |
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| 09:16.58 | Evilham | Yup, some are very cute and small and don't require a bunch of code to run as root |
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| 09:49.27 | Centurion_Dan | Evilham: do the lightweight acme clients still need to be run as root? |
| 09:50.04 | r3boot | Personally, I do my LE with dehydrated. That just needs write access to the well-known dir |
| 09:50.10 | r3boot | + cert dirs |
| 09:50.44 | r3boot | https://github.com/lukas2511/dehydrated |
| 09:53.31 | Centurion_Dan | but that doesn't handle service reloads... |
| 09:55.14 | Evilham | You can add your hook that runs as root |
| 09:55.16 | r3boot | correct |
| 09:55.26 | Evilham | But the tiny clients don't need to |
| 09:55.28 | r3boot | but, since this is unix-based, its trivial to implement that yourself ;) |
| 09:55.35 | Evilham | Exactly |
| 09:55.39 | r3boot | dehydrated -c && nginx -t && service nginx reload |
| 09:55.41 | r3boot | bam, done |
| 09:56.38 | Evilham | My thing has a sudo somewhere, but yeah |
| 09:56.50 | Evilham | (sudo to run as non root) |
| 09:57.09 | r3boot | yeah, sure |
| 09:57.40 | r3boot | same here, including the correct sudo rights :) The oneliner above was more to show how trivial it is to implement restart functionality yourself :) |
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| 10:47.23 | jiefk | Hello All! Devuan gurus, I need your help : when I "startx" or "xinit startfluxbox", I have an error "Can't open /dev/tty0 : Permission denied" (not texto but this is the idea). I remember having stumbled across this error in the past and someone here helped me with a link to Devuan site explaining that I needed some package... But I can't for the life of me retrieve the page. |
| 10:52.02 | fsmithred | jiefk, see ascii release notes |
| 10:52.32 | fsmithred | text version is same place where you download the isos: files.devuan.org |
| 10:52.59 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 10:55.16 | jiefk | fsmithred: Aw Thanks :) Yes that was the page :) |
| 10:57.34 | jiefk | Meh : |
| 10:57.38 | jiefk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.16 | jiefk | Guess I'll have to use a display manager for now :p |
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| 11:17.51 | fsmithred | jiefk, the other option is xserver-xorg-legacy and edit Xwrapper.config |
| 11:29.54 | fsmithred | or use aptitude, which might be able to resolve the deps. |
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| 16:22.42 | FatPhil | I think I've found a bug in Perl/Tk - to whom should I report it? |
| 16:24.22 | gnarface | make sure it's not reported upstream already at debian would be my suggestion |
| 16:24.55 | gnarface | then maybe report it, but if it's a package that comes directly unchanged from debian, it's still up to them to fix it so you should probably report upstream too |
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| 16:25.31 | gnarface | still, you can report to devuan as well, just don't expect similar resources to be available to address it |
| 16:28.51 | FatPhil | I have the fix! |
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| 16:32.28 | FatPhil | it's not at rt.cpan.org, didn't check the (early morning) midstream debian. |
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| 16:39.37 | [exa] | FatPhil: what's the bug btw? (/me curious) |
| 16:44.03 | FatPhil | exa: horizontal scrollbars don't scroll with the mousewheel |
| 16:44.18 | FatPhil | This is what's intended: |
| 16:44.19 | FatPhil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.19 | FatPhil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.19 | FatPhil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.31 | FatPhil | https://metacpan.org/source/SREZIC/Tk-804.034/Scrollbar/Scrollbar.pm |
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| 16:45.14 | FatPhil | However, only a few lines later, those bindings are overridden by a line that does not honour horizontal scrolling. |
| 16:45.28 | FatPhil | fix = delete those two later lines, IMHO |
| 16:46.12 | FatPhil | I've not looked at the git repo to see why the later lines were added, that might be insightful. |
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| 16:50.36 | [exa] | you can probably just submit a pull request there, it's usually the fastest |
| 16:50.50 | [exa] | (and then bump deb packaging) |
| 16:53.52 | FatPhil | where's the repo? cpan's a mess! |
| 16:54.29 | FatPhil | I've been clicking around trying to find it, as I want to see the commits. Maybe I'm just being cross-eyed today. |
| 16:56.48 | FatPhil | I might investigate some other annoyances I've noticed too - strace -e open widget is shocking/depressing depending on your point of view. |
| 17:02.07 | James1138 | https://pkgs.org/download/cpan |
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| 17:16.24 | FatPhil | It seems the history has no granularity at all - and also it seems like there's some really poor quality churn involved: https://github.com/eserte/perl-tk/blame/master/Scrollbar/Scrollbar.pm |
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| 19:49.12 | FatPhil | in jessie, mplayer used to toggle fullscreen with BTN0_DBL. upgrading to ascii moved me to mpv which is an abomination. So I moved back to mplayer, which now now longer understands BTN0_DBL. Any ideas what changed? |
| 19:51.36 | FatPhil | Pause from BTN2 also no longer works. |
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| 19:52.35 | James1138 | Just wondering...what issues are you having with MPV? |
| 19:54.01 | James1138 | In the meantime - what about update/upgrade mplayer?? https://pkgs.org/download/mplayer |
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| 20:07.37 | FatPhil | James1138: it might be because I've not rebooted since the upgrade, but I have too many things running to want to do that. MPV has basically taking way too much CPU and skipping/locking up way too often. |
| 20:08.44 | FatPhil | after a reboot I will try mpv again, sure. |
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| 20:12.49 | James1138 | Humm... I am running MPV right now along with Vivadli browser (Chromium variant) on my T500 Thinkpad laptop and task manager is saying that I am using less than 2% CPU at this moment. Maybe upgrade MPV. |
| 20:13.21 | James1138 | https://pkgs.org/download/mpv |
| 20:13.56 | slvr | Does MPV let you use different video output backends? |
| 20:14.32 | James1138 | I am using XT7-player-MPV as the front-end. Yes. |
| 20:14.43 | slvr | I wonder if it's running hot due to a 'compatible' mode being used and running software where hardware could be used. |
| 20:15.49 | slvr | I have an nvidia card, and playback went to garbage when I moved to the open source drivers. Changing vlc or xine to use a different video backend changes the cpu impact significantly. |
| 20:17.01 | James1138 | NVidia maybe part of the problem. My laptop is straight Intel across board. |
| 20:17.35 | slvr | nvidia was less bad than ati, when I purchased it. |
| 20:18.06 | James1138 | Here is some stuff/drivers for Devuan/Debian and NVidia - https://pkgs.org/download/nvidia |
| 20:25.33 | FatPhil | I don't like using non-distro versions of s/w that's available from the distro. I like being "stock". |
| 20:26.11 | FatPhil | And I like being "stable" too. However, I do consider backports to be stock. |
| 20:34.21 | cosurgi | is about do dist-ubrage do beowulf |
| 20:34.27 | cosurgi | anyone wants to watch? :) |
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| 20:34.54 | fsmithred | cosurgi, do you have a full desktop install? |
| 20:34.55 | cosurgi | just changed /etc/apt/sources.list to: |
| 20:35.00 | fsmithred | with task- packages? |
| 20:35.19 | cosurgi | fsmithred: hm. I don't think so. |
| 20:35.24 | cosurgi | checks |
| 20:35.58 | cosurgi | task-* I have only: task-desktop task-english task-polish task-polish-desktop task-polish-kde-desktop tasksel |
| 20:36.20 | fsmithred | lemme check |
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| 20:36.33 | cosurgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.36 | cosurgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.17 | fsmithred | what's debug? |
| 20:37.28 | slvr | dunno, but I like the sound of it. |
| 20:37.40 | fsmithred | best to remove debian repo |
| 20:38.06 | slvr | probably true. May want to see what packages were installed from it too. |
| 20:38.19 | slvr | when they despam themselves back here |
| 20:38.34 | fsmithred | task-desktop depends on desktop-base and desktop-base is not ready |
| 20:39.48 | fsmithred | might not be a problem |
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| 20:40.32 | fsmithred | oh, he's gone |
| 20:40.39 | fsmithred | good luck |
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| 20:41.28 | cosurgi | huh |
| 20:41.36 | fsmithred | too many lines at once |
| 20:41.38 | cosurgi | I got banned from pasting /etc/apt/sources.list :( |
| 20:41.44 | fsmithred | makes you look like a bot |
| 20:41.56 | cosurgi | I had to use another computer to get back in. That original IP is banned. |
| 20:41.56 | fsmithred | anyway, do you normally exclude recommends? |
| 20:42.10 | cosurgi | good question. Let me see |
| 20:42.12 | fsmithred | oh, I can fix that if I can find my notes |
| 20:42.19 | slvr | cosurgi: freenode is touchy about spam due to an ongoing attack. |
| 20:42.29 | slvr | use a paste service |
| 20:42.32 | cosurgi | I hope previous IP will get unbanned soon |
| 20:43.04 | cosurgi | ok, I just disabled recommends in aptitude |
| 20:43.06 | stiltr | cosurgi: In case you weren't aware, using pastebin in the prefered method. |
| 20:43.19 | cosurgi | yeah. sorry. I was thinking only 12 lines :) |
| 20:43.29 | stiltr | No worries. :) |
| 20:43.53 | cosurgi | does disabling recommends in aptitude carry over to other methods of updating? |
| 20:44.07 | cosurgi | --\ Dependency handling â [ ] Install recommended packages automatically |
| 20:44.25 | cosurgi | and can you tell me if that /etc/apt/sources.list was good? :) |
| 20:44.38 | fsmithred | cosurgi, I don't know. I usually do it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/norecommends |
| 20:44.46 | fsmithred | or 00norecommends |
| 20:44.58 | fsmithred | remove the debian repo |
| 20:45.33 | cosurgi | This one 'deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main non-free-contrib' ? |
| 20:45.43 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:46.08 | fsmithred | you can comment out the deb-src lines unless you plan to build packages |
| 20:46.17 | fsmithred | or backport |
| 20:46.42 | fsmithred | not sure if pl.mirror works any better than auto.mirror |
| 20:46.53 | fsmithred | the country codes aren't really functional yet |
| 20:47.18 | fsmithred | and you could use deb.devuan.org instead, but the should be the same |
| 20:47.45 | fsmithred | I can un-ban by name, but I don't know if it has effect on IP address |
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| 20:48.37 | cosurgi | whoa |
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| 20:48.46 | cosurgi | now I got banned by pasting single line :( |
| 20:48.52 | fsmithred | uh oh |
| 20:48.56 | slvr | maybe stop pasting. :p |
| 20:48.58 | fsmithred | you sure you got banned? |
| 20:48.58 | cosurgi | Did you mean that one? It was only for debug symbols |
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| 20:49.15 | fsmithred | I just did commands to un-ban you |
| 20:49.21 | cosurgi | I got this: "cosurgi [~cosurgi@suszkin2.bl.pg.gda.pl] has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))]" (and now I must type slowly) |
| 20:49.50 | fsmithred | and I got: <Sigyn> The ban on cosurgi has been lifted |
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| 20:50.09 | cosurgi | thanks. Now I am here in two copies. One of which was banned before :) |
| 20:50.32 | fsmithred | try not to confuse me |
| 20:50.36 | cosurgi | haha :) |
| 20:51.07 | cosurgi | ok. I can comment out the buster-debug. I just needed one day the *dbgym packages to run valgrind on somethign. |
| 20:51.13 | fsmithred | yeah, remove the debian repo, at least during the upgrade |
| 20:51.20 | fsmithred | ok, so comment it out |
| 20:51.26 | fsmithred | in case you need it laster |
| 20:51.27 | fsmithred | later |
| 20:51.33 | cosurgi | *dmgsym, yeah. I commented it out :) |
| 20:51.39 | cosurgi | *dbgsym. |
| 20:52.23 | fsmithred | watch out that it doesn't try to install task-kde-desktop |
| 20:52.44 | fsmithred | I did a full kde upgrade and it was messy. |
| 20:53.06 | fsmithred | did eventually get to work, I think. (got the desktop up) |
| 20:53.41 | cosurgi | hm. I don't use kde desktop in fact. I use sawfishm + rox. |
| 20:53.48 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:53.57 | cosurgi | The 'task-polish-kde-desktop' must be some leftover package. |
| 20:54.03 | fsmithred | yeah, ok |
| 20:54.15 | fsmithred | you can autoclean after the upgrade (or before, too) |
| 20:54.21 | cosurgi | I could uninstall it maybe. But sometimes I launch it to see how the improved kde ;) |
| 20:54.43 | fsmithred | oh, kde is installed? |
| 20:54.46 | cosurgi | apt-get autoclean ; apt-get autoremove ; |
| 20:54.56 | fsmithred | autoremove is what I meant |
| 20:55.35 | cosurgi | yes, I have kde-runtime, kde-runtime-data. So it is installed, but I don't care about eventual problems with it. |
| 20:55.55 | cosurgi | command `autoremove` ? |
| 20:56.02 | cosurgi | zsh: command not found: autoremove |
| 20:56.10 | cosurgi | I though you meant `apt-get autoremove` |
| 20:56.14 | fsmithred | ok, I think the worst that could happen is that conflicts might force parts or all of it to be removed. |
| 20:56.18 | fsmithred | apt autoremove |
| 20:56.23 | fsmithred | will remove obsolete packages |
| 20:56.27 | cosurgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.30 | fsmithred | or apt-get autoremove |
| 20:56.34 | fsmithred | or aptitiude autoremove |
| 20:56.36 | cosurgi | yes. done. |
| 20:56.46 | fsmithred | so, no cruft to start with |
| 20:57.27 | cosurgi | ok. So I guess I'm ready for updating? |
| 20:57.40 | fsmithred | yeah, you updated the cache yet? |
| 20:57.43 | fsmithred | apt update |
| 20:57.52 | cosurgi | yes. |
| 20:58.06 | fsmithred | then upgrade |
| 20:58.13 | cosurgi | Now I wonder how to proceed: `aptitude full-upgrade` maybe? |
| 20:58.24 | fsmithred | maybe safe-upgrade first |
| 20:58.38 | fsmithred | I did it yesterday, I think, with... |
| 20:58.42 | fsmithred | apt upgrade |
| 20:58.53 | fsmithred | got the new kernel with that, so I rebooted |
| 20:59.03 | slvr | apt upgrade is like apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:59.16 | fsmithred | no, it's like apt-get upgrade |
| 20:59.23 | fsmithred | apt full-upgrade gave me more |
| 20:59.31 | fsmithred | including conflicts |
| 20:59.33 | slvr | last I checked apt-get upgrade won't update system packages |
| 20:59.44 | slvr | kernel etc |
| 20:59.54 | cosurgi | hm. I've disabled recommend in aptitude, so I prefer to use aptitude |
| 21:00.00 | fsmithred | that depends on whether you have the kernel metapackage installed or not |
| 21:00.06 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:00.25 | fsmithred | aptitude actually had a solution for the conflict, but I declined to see if I could do it manually |
| 21:01.19 | fsmithred | you have backups of anything important? |
| 21:01.38 | slvr | ah, metapackaging has changed a lot over the years. |
| 21:01.59 | fsmithred | linux-image-<arch> will always give you the newest available kernel |
| 21:09.16 | cosurgi | yeah, full backups :) |
| 21:10.00 | cosurgi | whoa, `aptitude safe-upgrade` takes time! |
| 21:10.09 | cosurgi | Resolving dependencies... : open: 7288; closed: 13934; defer: 177; conflict: 1465 |
| 21:11.14 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I forgot about that |
| 21:11.23 | fsmithred | I got impatient and canceled it |
| 21:11.38 | fsmithred | apt or apt-get upgrade won't do that |
| 21:11.53 | cosurgi | I don't think that finding solution is possibe. |
| 21:12.13 | fsmithred | how long has it been going? |
| 21:12.21 | cosurgi | few minutes |
| 21:12.38 | fsmithred | ctrl-c then apt upgrade |
| 21:12.43 | fsmithred | save the aptitude for later |
| 21:12.43 | cosurgi | heh `aptitude full-upgrade` also has problems. |
| 21:12.51 | fsmithred | more, I'll bet |
| 21:12.55 | cosurgi | yeah |
| 21:13.35 | cosurgi | I will try `apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 21:13.57 | cosurgi | Hm, this one seems quite peaceful - no conflicts. |
| 21:14.06 | cosurgi | 2894 upgraded, 864 newly installed, 161 to remove and 49 not upgraded. |
| 21:14.10 | cosurgi | Need to get 5220 MB of archives. |
| 21:14.14 | cosurgi | After this operation, 3428 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 21:14.18 | cosurgi | Maybe do this one? |
| 21:14.43 | cosurgi | checks : 8GB of free space in /var |
| 21:15.22 | fsmithred | that's a lot of packages |
| 21:16.11 | cosurgi | I tried `apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade` and I got: |
| 21:16.17 | cosurgi | Need to get 4885 MB of archives. After this operation, 2548 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 21:16.29 | cosurgi | 2894 upgraded, 596 newly installed, 160 to remove and 49 not upgraded. |
| 21:16.37 | cosurgi | So it was 300 fewer packages. |
| 21:17.26 | cosurgi | Is this the smallest amount of packages that I can squeeze out of it? |
| 21:18.16 | cosurgi | `apt-get --no-install-recommends --only-upgrade dist-upgrade` does the same: 2894 upgraded, 596 newly installed, 160 to remove and 49 not upgraded. |
| 21:18.26 | cosurgi | OK. I will do this one. |
| 21:18.32 | cosurgi | pressed 'Y' |
| 21:18.46 | fsmithred | sounds good so far |
| 21:19.13 | fsmithred | I managed to get: You must type, "Yes, do as I say." at least once yesterday |
| 21:19.18 | cosurgi | fingers crossed. Downloading will take at least 30 minutes |
| 21:19.29 | cosurgi | hahah :) |
| 21:19.38 | cosurgi | yeah, that sometimes gets funny :) |
| 21:19.51 | fsmithred | mine took five hours because I kept forgetting to check it and answer questions |
| 21:20.02 | fsmithred | and because it's always slow in virtualbox |
| 21:20.10 | cosurgi | One time I had to type some super long confirmation like "Yes, I am aware that this will break my system" or something like that :) |
| 21:20.21 | fsmithred | I've seen that one |
| 21:21.08 | fsmithred | playing with dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections/--clear-selections |
| 21:21.18 | fsmithred | (not in that order) |
| 21:23.05 | cosurgi | meanwhile I will swith to other irc identity. |
| 21:24.32 | fsmithred | for me, you've been cosurgi the whole time |
| 21:24.37 | cosurgi | I'll keep the other irc sessions just in case :) |
| 21:24.45 | fsmithred | uh, for auto-fill, you're cosurgi2 |
| 21:24.59 | cosurgi | hahah |
| 21:25.17 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:25.28 | cosurgi | heh, nickname has some length limit |
| 21:25.45 | fsmithred | you fixed it |
| 21:26.10 | cosurgi | :) |
| 21:27.01 | cosurgi | yep, apt says 35 minutes to go. |
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| 21:35.55 | cosurgi | I think I will try the latest kernel too. Currently I have custom kernel 4.20, package compiled by hand. |
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| 21:39.39 | stanz | wonders how to 'ping' someone..lol |
| 21:39.50 | cosurgi | on irc? |
| 21:40.05 | stanz | yep..right in here |
| 21:40.07 | fsmithred | say their name |
| 21:40.11 | fsmithred | stanz, |
| 21:40.15 | cosurgi | so that he gets a beep or something? I don't think that's possible. |
| 21:40.19 | fsmithred | see pretty colors? |
| 21:40.19 | stanz | beetlejuice |
| 21:40.27 | fsmithred | NONONO |
| 21:40.31 | stanz | yeah..kewl |
| 21:40.32 | cosurgi | stanz: but this works. He will have this channe highlightes when he looks someday. |
| 21:40.49 | fsmithred | <-- |
| 21:40.53 | stanz | already done |
| 21:40.58 | fsmithred | pm |
| 21:41.07 | stanz | k |
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| 21:42.54 | cosurgi | just learnt about ~g filtering in aptitude: "garbage: Select packages that are not required by any manually installed package." |
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| 21:57.47 | FunkyBob | cosurgi: do go on? |
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| 22:00.01 | cosurgi | FunkyBob: apt-get is still downloading, 10minutes to go. |
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| 22:00.42 | FunkyBob | I meant for you to elaborate on the use of ~g |
| 22:01.40 | cosurgi | FunkyBob: ah. this filter shows in aptitude all packages that have flag meaning they have been automatically installed, but are not currently needed by any manually installed packages. |
| 22:01.45 | cosurgi | It helps cleaning :) |
| 22:02.53 | FunkyBob | yes, I got that... got a usage example? |
| 22:03.07 | FunkyBob | (I don't remember the last time I used "aptitude") |
| 22:04.29 | cosurgi | ok, I suppose it allows similar thing as `apt autoremove` and so on. But in aptitude using this filter means that I can see these packages listed. And examine them if I wanted. |
| 22:04.39 | cosurgi | So a cool filter. Not super-useful, to be strict. |
| 22:05.42 | FunkyBob | umm... yes, I agree it's cool |
| 22:05.53 | FunkyBob | but could you please provide a simple example of _using_ it? |
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| 22:08.44 | fsmithred | aptitude purge ~g (I've never done that, didn't know it.) |
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| 22:08.58 | fsmithred | I have used aptitude purge ~c a bunch of time. |
| 22:08.59 | fsmithred | s |
| 22:09.40 | cosurgi2 | hm. freenode disconnects randomly. |
| 22:09.50 | cosurgi2 | "Ping timeout: 258 seconds" |
| 22:10.21 | fsmithred | I used to get a lot of disconnects until I got a new router. |
| 22:10.30 | cosurgi | heh. |
| 22:11.05 | cosurgi | that's a university network. Has pretty fast connection. 10MB/sec between universities across all Europe. |
| 22:11.15 | cosurgi | So... I wouldn't blame 'my router' :) |
| 22:11.47 | fsmithred | ok, they're probably not using an old 4-port dlink |
| 22:11.56 | cosurgi | wohoo! 5 seconds left. |
| 22:13.06 | cosurgi | Reading changelogs... 45% takes a minute |
| 22:14.04 | FunkyBob | not sure why you'd get timeouts on freenode... I leave this session connected for months at a time |
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| 22:15.11 | cosurgi | yeah. I'm not sure either. Sometimes doesn't happen for 3 months |
| 22:15.22 | cosurgi | and sometimes happes 4 times per week. |
| 22:15.23 | FunkyBob | gremlins. :P |
| 22:15.41 | cosurgi | yeah :) |
| 22:16.15 | cosurgi | whoa. "apt-listchanges: News" is a pretty long read. |
| 22:16.21 | cosurgi | I think I will browse it a bit. |
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| 22:17.11 | cosurgi | sorry. Now I have 3 sessions running. Should I disconnect the other ones, to reduce noise? |
| 22:22.49 | cosurgi | ok. Now keep fingers crossed so that I don't have some dpks error during unpacking. |
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| 22:38.21 | FatPhil | cosurgi - just use a screen/tmux session on whatever machine's most reliable, and pick that up from wherever. |
| 22:39.37 | cosurgi | actually these irc sessions are inside screens on three different servers in university network. |
| 22:39.50 | cosurgi | But yeah. I will close one of them |
| 22:39.56 | cosurgi | One backup is enough :) |
| 22:40.32 | cosurgi | ok :) |
| 22:41.24 | cosurgi | FatPhil: btw I'm upgrading my workstation to beowulf |
| 22:41.46 | cosurgi | so far all is good. |
| 22:42.08 | cosurgi | After plenty of pondering I did: `apt-get --no-install-recommends --only-upgrade dist-upgrade` |
| 22:48.05 | cosurgi | okey. I will leave it unpacking. I must go to sleep. |
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| 23:31.20 | cosurgi | W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (17997 vs 18004). |
| 23:31.20 | cosurgi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.22 | cosurgi | whoa, 670 files changed in /etc |
| 23:33.22 | cosurgi | huh? |
| 23:34.01 | cosurgi | 89 files in /etc/systemd/system ? That looks like plenty for devuan. |
| 23:38.26 | fsmithred | I've got 43 with almost 1600 packages installed |
| 23:38.46 | cosurgi | hm. :( |
| 23:38.56 | cosurgi | they weren't there before. I have git in /etc |
| 23:38.58 | fsmithred | they're just service files |
| 23:39.05 | cosurgi | ok |
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| 23:39.56 | cosurgi | anyway. I will continue tomorrow. Really need some sleep. |
| 23:39.56 | fsmithred | us having them is like running systemd and having sysvinit scripts hanging around |
| 23:40.11 | cosurgi | ah, ok. |
| 23:40.17 | cosurgi | :) |
| 23:40.21 | cosurgi | goodnight :) |
| 23:40.26 | fsmithred | g'night |
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| 23:52.36 | Evilham | fsmithred: apparently there is a setting to tell apt to excludea pattern from installation, I forgot what it is but can find it again |
| 23:52.55 | Evilham | Maybe if it's added to the website people will stop asking this |
| 23:53.16 | fsmithred | there's a whole page of aptitude special switches |
| 23:53.36 | fsmithred | I saved a copy, but I don't know if I could find that one. |
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