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| 07:25.57 | FatPhil | This is old, but I'd not seen it before: |
| 07:26.00 | FatPhil | eat Depends: cook | eat-out. But eat-out is non-free so that's out. And cook Recommends: clean-pans. |
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| 07:50.16 | jordila | i'm having a very basic issue with my (managed by wicd) network connection. Wicd is not being able to automatically connect (not when at boot... nor after resuming suspend/hibernate).. thus, i'm forced to use 'wicd-cli ...' in order to. What am i missing ? |
| 07:53.22 | MinceR | i don't see how eat-out would be more non-free than the ingredients for cook |
| 07:56.08 | [exa] | jordila: any log messages? I fixed some similar issue by switching the "programs" there, iirc ethtool |
| 07:57.16 | jordila | [exa] where do i find the logs in this occasion ? What do you mean by 'switching programs' ? |
| 07:59.06 | [exa] | /var/log/something_wicd |
| 07:59.32 | [exa] | and there are some possibilities of which utils wicd should use for various tasks, for example the dhcpcd vs dhclient for DHCP |
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| 09:40.56 | rrq | jordila: if you have an /etc/network/interfaces that says things, then wicd might believe you're the boss... |
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| 11:06.19 | PaoloP | hi, how to install php7.1 on devuan ascii? Nextcloud 16 needs it! thank you |
| 11:07.24 | gnarface | you would probably want to build it |
| 11:07.36 | gnarface | that is the most manageable approach, long-term |
| 11:08.13 | PaoloP | ah! ok. thank you! |
| 11:08.48 | gnarface | the version in there that appears to be 7.0 probably has all the security patches though |
| 11:09.03 | gnarface | it's a shame nextcloud requires 7.1 |
| 11:09.15 | gnarface | that would have saved you a lot of trouble |
| 11:10.07 | gnarface | you might be able to use the debian packaging utils to automate updating the 7.0 packages to 7.1 though |
| 11:10.40 | gnarface | well you should be able to really, i just don't know for sure if it is working |
| 11:11.34 | Evilham | PaoloP: you can use sury's packages for PHP |
| 11:11.54 | Evilham | when stretch shipped with 7.0 it was clear that those repositories would be needed for many things |
| 11:12.16 | Evilham | https://deb.sury.org/ |
| 11:12.53 | Evilham | that should give you php7.3 on ascii (remember to say "stretch" for entries) |
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| 11:14.08 | gnarface | i strongly recommend against using 3rd party packages, just for the record. |
| 11:14.09 | PaoloP | i'm reading... thank you |
| 11:14.34 | PaoloP | so.. the solution is... ? |
| 11:14.54 | Evilham | usually that's the case, but stretch shipping with 7.0 was a mess and sury is the actual package maintainer for debian, so... it's not as bad in this case |
| 11:15.29 | Evilham | that being said, if you have to use them, make sure you use proper pinning |
| 11:16.37 | gnarface | if you have to use them, i recommend making a backup first |
| 11:16.59 | gnarface | package dependency corruption is an insidious thing |
| 11:20.56 | PaoloP | gnarface yes! |
| 11:23.05 | PaoloP | is it possible /suggested to use "alien"? |
| 11:23.41 | PaoloP | or directly from source code? |
| 11:24.20 | gnarface | i'd go with the upstream source code before alien, myself, but it's a matter of taste and your personal skill level |
| 11:24.42 | PaoloP | (y) |
| 11:24.54 | gnarface | i'd try to update the existing packages first |
| 11:25.03 | gnarface | because that's less work if it works without changes |
| 11:25.14 | gnarface | and it makes it more seamless |
| 11:25.43 | gnarface | but you can always just build one big php package and use checkinstall to package it instead or something like that |
| 11:25.46 | PaoloP | yes, I know, but on ascii there is only 7.0 |
| 11:26.11 | PaoloP | is there any dev/testing depository? |
| 11:26.19 | gnarface | no, by "update the existing packages" i mean literally update them to 7.1 with the source code and deb tools |
| 11:26.26 | PaoloP | ah! ok |
| 11:26.33 | gnarface | there IS a testing repository |
| 11:26.37 | gnarface | and a unstable repository |
| 11:26.39 | gnarface | just like debian |
| 11:26.46 | gnarface | they are called beowulf and ceres, respectively |
| 11:27.08 | PaoloP | with php 7.1? l'll search ... |
| 11:27.28 | r3boot | https://deb.sury.org/ <-- maybe interesting before you reinvent the wheel |
| 11:28.10 | gnarface | it was already pointed out, r3boot |
| 11:28.16 | r3boot | oh, check! |
| 11:28.30 | gnarface | PaoloP: you can check on pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 11:29.23 | PaoloP | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=php+&release=beowulf |
| 11:29.27 | PaoloP | found it :-) |
| 11:31.20 | Evilham | fwiw: I have upgraded machines from ascii + sury php to beowulf + debian's php in a painless fashion, sury does do a good job at keeping packages as close as possible to those in debian |
| 11:31.51 | Evilham | an option for you PaoloP would also be to upgrade to beowulf, there may be some risk int he upgrade path (reports are welcome) but you'd get php7.3 out of the box |
| 11:32.00 | Evilham | and once upgraded it's very stable |
| 11:32.21 | Evilham | most of the bugs that have to be sorted out are for desktop things AFAIK |
| 11:33.13 | PaoloP | # /dev/sdj1 btrfs 89G 26G 63G 29% /with btrfs I want to try: snapshot, ascii -> beowulf , upgrade, IF itworks ok, else reverse snapshot, FI |
| 11:36.15 | Evilham | sounds good |
| 11:36.51 | fsmithred | upgrades to beowulf are much easier if you don't have task- packages or other metapackages installed |
| 11:37.38 | PaoloP | dpkg -l | grep task | wc -l8 |
| 11:37.47 | PaoloP | it gives 8 |
| 11:38.24 | fsmithred | task-desktop, task-?-desktop (xfce?) |
| 11:38.25 | PaoloP | I whoul try to remove task-* while still keeping single packages |
| 11:38.40 | fsmithred | good luck |
| 11:38.59 | PaoloP | task-ssh-server task-web-server task-print-server task-english task-console-productivity |
| 11:41.30 | fsmithred | those shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:41.53 | fsmithred | desktop-base might cause problems if it's there |
| 11:42.19 | fsmithred | also, --simulate is your friend with apt, apt-get or aptitude |
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| 11:54.09 | jordila | like Bruce Springsteen ? :D ^^ |
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| 14:18.56 | user__ | Hi. How do i list, enable and disable services? Cannot find howtos about this on the forum. |
| 14:23.14 | James1138 | Boot up manager. |
| 14:24.02 | James1138 | https://pkgs.org/download/bum |
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| 14:29.06 | user__ | I am running Beowulf and apparently bum is not available on it. |
| 14:30.46 | saptech | isn't devuan using openrc? |
| 14:31.11 | James1138 | Just make sure these files are already there... libglib-perl>= 1:1.100-1libgtk2-perl>= 1:1.100-1liblocale-gettext-perl-menu-perl-sysv-rc |
| 14:31.28 | James1138 | https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-amd64/bum_2.5.2-1_all.deb.html |
| 14:33.36 | user__ | Okay, thanks a lot. |
| 14:33.51 | James1138 | Sure thing. |
| 14:34.18 | gnarface | isn't bum available in the devuan repo? |
| 14:34.46 | gnarface | i would suggest linking to that instead as a general rule |
| 14:35.58 | James1138 | Gnarface... User is running Beowulf/Buster. Bum is Stretch/Ubuntu 16.04 |
| 14:37.57 | gnarface | it is also in devuan ascii |
| 14:38.34 | gnarface | not that i'd really have recommended mixing disto versions either |
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| 16:03.00 | Beerbelott | Hello, I am still detecting trouble around mirror 141.84.43.19 on a *very* regular basis. |
| 16:03.00 | Beerbelott | My check script, running every 5 min, detected a *huge* number of cases where a mere connection to 141.84.43.19 on TCP/80 would timeout after 5s. |
| 16:03.14 | Beerbelott | IMHO, it would be wise to remove that mirror from the pool |
| 16:06.18 | Beerbelott | Today, failed checks occured at: 0050Z 0055Z 0100Z 0105Z 0110Z 0115Z 0120Z 0123Z 0145Z 0150Z 0155Z 0200Z 0205Z 0230Z 0240Z 0245Z 0250Z 0310Z 0410Z 0420Z 0455Z 0510Z 0515Z 0520Z 0535Z 0610Z 0615Z 0630Z 0640Z 0645Z 0715Z 0755Z 0800Z 0805Z 0825Z 0905Z 1035Z 1100Z |
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| 16:36.17 | onefang | What exactly is your mirror check script doing? Mine isn't detecting any problem with that server, but I'm not running mine every 5 minutes. |
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| 16:47.18 | retak | onefang, mirro check script rulzed! ;) |
| 16:54.29 | Evilham | sent email to the mirror admin, see if they see something odd |
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| 16:56.39 | Evilham | since I also can't see anything wrong, the mirror is staying on the RR |
| 16:58.04 | onefang | That's why I want to know what the Beerbelott script is doing. Are we missing something, or is it doing something odd? |
| 17:03.40 | Evilham | had it been any other server, I'd have mostly dismissed it, but I know I've encountered issues with that one in the past |
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| 17:05.12 | mazes_80 | Hi, plymouth package is actually unavailable in devuan. |
| 17:05.33 | Evilham | looks like he's up to something |
| 17:05.38 | Evilham | *onto something |
| 17:05.55 | mazes_80 | It is masked because of systemd dependency, but it needs only few changes to drop those |
| 17:06.22 | mazes_80 | I locally manage to compile, install and run it successfully |
| 17:06.56 | Evilham | mazes_80: mind starting a repository on git.devuan.org with the changes you needed for that to happen? |
| 17:07.27 | Evilham | if you want it to be available on devuan taht's the best way to go |
| 17:08.54 | mazes_80 | I can, but I'm not very much into apt, so my changes are surely suitable as a draft only |
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| 17:18.40 | mazes_80 | I assume I need to start a new project ? Any prealable advices ? |
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| 18:32.41 | fsmithred | mazes_80, clone it from salsa.debian.org if you can |
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| 19:43.44 | onefang | Damn network dropped out. What did i miss? |
| 19:44.40 | golinux | Bot a thing |
| 19:44.44 | golinux | Not really |
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| 21:59.50 | Beerbelott | onefang: My script only does nc -z -w 5 |
| 22:00.12 | Beerbelott | nc -z -w 5 <IP> 80 |
| 22:00.33 | Beerbelott | the rest is mere tooling |
| 22:03.31 | onefang | Ah, open the connection, don't send any data, wait 5 seconds. Thanks. |
| 22:04.05 | onefang | It's what I guessed. |
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