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| 07:10.41 | FatPhil | what's all this with /run/user/$UID tmpfss? Who creates those, and is it configurable? |
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| 07:18.03 | FatPhil | Things that make you go hmmm... "/run/user/$uid is created by pam_systemd ...". |
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| 07:22.32 | FatPhil | "Should mention that it is called $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, documented at standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html" |
| 07:22.49 | FatPhil | 2 blanks here: |
| 07:22.51 | FatPhil | root@thotspaz:~# find /etc -type f -print | xargs grep '/run/user/' |
| 07:22.54 | FatPhil | root@thotspaz:~# find /etc -type f -print | xargs grep 'XDG_RUNTIME_DIR' |
| 07:23.38 | FatPhil | and: root@thotspaz:~# dpkg -S pam_systemd |
| 07:23.40 | FatPhil | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *pam_systemd* |
| 07:47.01 | drawkula | would prefer eacxh user to have her own ~/tmp, ~/run, ~/var, ... and even ~/etc instead of those silly dotfiles |
| 07:47.47 | drawkula | soemeday, when I'm boared to death, I might try to prototype a system that way... |
| 07:48.10 | drawkula | ist shure will not even be a sidenote in unix's history... |
| 07:48.11 | drawkula | :-( |
| 07:48.46 | drawkula | but the FS is self similar in several other places. I never understood why this had to stop in the users' dirs! |
| 07:49.10 | drawkula | aaaaand a package manager for user packages would be nice to have too! |
| 07:49.25 | FatPhil | having it host-specific does make sense, as I'm in ~ from 5 different hosts currently, and they musn't tread on each other's toes. |
| 07:50.06 | helios21 | hi. well I think the FHS is pretty borked anyway |
| 07:50.12 | drawkula | than have hostid subdirs... |
| 07:50.14 | drawkula | .-) |
| 07:50.37 | drawkula | I gave up sharing $HOME |
| 07:50.43 | drawkula | too risky |
| 07:50.46 | FatPhil | I think there's some smell no matter where you put such things. |
| 07:51.29 | drawkula | someone said Kmail would trash all mail if you use a shaed home and dare to start 2 MUAs |
| 07:51.33 | FatPhil | programs like firefox really don't cope well with the concept of shared home (and multiple instances of themself running) |
| 07:51.34 | drawkula | but that was in KDE3 days |
| 07:52.09 | drawkula | $THEY trashed unix years ago |
| 07:52.23 | drawkula | the console only beards only needed time to notice it |
| 07:52.25 | drawkula | :-) |
| 07:52.48 | FatPhil | Some of us are still shouting at clouds... |
| 07:53.42 | drawkula | http://www.nsa-cloud.com/ |
| 07:54.10 | drawkula | my cloud is named sdf.org |
| 07:54.14 | drawkula | :-P |
| 07:55.27 | gnarface | i think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing. XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is being set somewhere to /run/user/whatever. if you don't set it it defaults to /tmp/$USER |
| 07:55.43 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 07:55.58 | gnarface | just figure out what is setting it to something you don't like, and change it |
| 07:56.52 | gnarface | it's not being put anywhere in /run/ here, so whatever is doing it to you guys is something optional you requested yourself |
| 07:57.02 | FatPhil | drawkula: I've gone one up - my cloud is called asdf.org |
| 07:57.12 | gnarface | (probably a window manager with obscene ties to freedesktop.org would be my guess) |
| 07:57.43 | FatPhil | gnarface: I can't see that setting anywhere - I grepped all over /etc for it |
| 07:58.00 | gnarface | FatPhil: it might be in your WM configuration |
| 07:58.27 | gnarface | it might actually be getting set from something that your WM runs at startup |
| 07:58.36 | FatPhil | I do notice libpam_systemd is installed, I might try to purge that and see if it makes a difference |
| 07:58.40 | gnarface | or it might have been added to your login scripts in ~/ even i don't know for sure |
| 07:59.02 | gnarface | i don't have libpam_systemd here |
| 07:59.29 | gnarface | but it is ceres so ymmv |
| 08:01.33 | FatPhil | the whole concept of modifying scripts in a ~/ that is shared by half a dozen machines to be a frightening concept. |
| 08:01.42 | FatPhil | modulo grammar |
| 08:03.03 | FatPhil | hmm, actually that package isn't installed. got led down a blind alley. |
| 08:03.07 | gnarface | sure but it builds character :) |
| 08:03.20 | FatPhil | could it be consolekit that's making those tmpfss? |
| 08:03.51 | gnarface | i really don't know but i wouldn't bet against it. i don't have that installed here either. (not using graphical login) |
| 08:05.03 | gnarface | and i'm pretty sure i've never seen enlightenment (any version) or blackbox set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to anything outside of /tmp. actually i recalled it usually being undefined and seeing a warning about it but i'm seeing here with a freshly updated ceres that something has defined it to /tmp/[some random string] |
| 08:06.31 | gnarface | what WM are you using? did you check it for an environment variables configuration panel? |
| 08:07.11 | FatPhil | I have no idea why consolekit was default selected - it brings in a whole load of crap. Seems to be pulled in by policykit, which is 'i A' on my system, apparently due to "elogind Recommends policykit-1" |
| 08:07.33 | gnarface | that's ascii? |
| 08:07.37 | gnarface | check the release notes |
| 08:07.44 | gnarface | it's the graphical login manager that is pulling all that in |
| 08:08.11 | gnarface | slim or lightdm or something like that |
| 08:08.12 | gnarface | kdm |
| 08:08.19 | gnarface | whatever your window manager defaults to |
| 08:09.12 | gnarface | then it brings in some conflicting packages but you have to purge one of them |
| 08:09.23 | helios21 | Now I found it in my training slides. Search engine startpage.com (Google) completely failed me on that: https://cr.yp.to/slashpackage/studies.html |
| 08:09.38 | gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 08:10.02 | gnarface | FatPhil: you should really read this whole thing ^ but at least read the part under "### Session management and policykit backends" |
| 08:10.08 | helios21 | I like the filesystem layout proposed at https://cr.yp.to/unix.html |
| 08:10.50 | FatPhil | gnarface: xdm there |
| 08:16.07 | FatPhil | we don't do "Desktop Environment"s |
| 08:21.30 | FatPhil | {console,policy}kit gone. I don't think I need elogind either by the looks of it. |
| 08:22.44 | gnarface | hmm. xdm may do something different, i'm not sure |
| 08:22.48 | FatPhil | Anything which says "Poettering touched me" I'm happier with it off the system. Alas the pulse cancer has metastasized too much. |
| 08:23.02 | gnarface | meh, i'm still getting by without it. |
| 08:23.27 | FatPhil | looks like xine and ffmpeg hard depend on lilbpulse |
| 08:23.42 | gnarface | ah, but! |
| 08:23.49 | gnarface | libpulse does not hard depend on pulseaudio, the daemon |
| 08:23.55 | gnarface | so you can just uninstall or stop it |
| 08:24.04 | gnarface | though some people actually like what it does |
| 08:24.19 | gnarface | if you know enough about alsa with a couple extra shell tricks, you can get by without it for most things |
| 08:24.42 | gnarface | the one thing steam "requires" it for is pretty egregious too |
| 08:24.48 | FatPhil | OK, yeah, we don't have the daemon, by choice. |
| 08:25.06 | gnarface | (since you could basically do the same thing by piping arecord to aplay through netcat) |
| 08:25.22 | FatPhil | I know it solves some people's problems. You're lucky you prized OSS out of my cold dead hands and got me onto ALSA! |
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| 09:58.49 | FatPhil | holy jeebus, my webserver's under a completely mindless attack at the moment. the URLs being requested are seemingly random. might be hard to fail2ban this guy... |
| 09:59.39 | FatPhil | one thing that is common is '.php' though, but I don't like configuring too many arbitrary rules. |
| 10:11.21 | gnarface | it is free traffic |
| 10:11.56 | gnarface | just redirect all 404 errors to a page with a bunch of banners :-p |
| 10:12.33 | gnarface | if they're trying to break in, that means they're looking at responses |
| 10:13.31 | gnarface | it also means you can just session cookie them and not give them a page unless they accept the cookie, then set a timer/counter on the server-side to also throttle the rate they can retry |
| 10:13.43 | gnarface | or just give them a max hit count, or something like that |
| 10:14.59 | gnarface | i mean, if someone hits three dozen 404 errors in the space of 10 seconds, they're probably doing something abusive |
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| 10:34.27 | xinomilo_ | googlebot usually :P |
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| 10:45.31 | FatPhil | most of the probes were POST, so I might just forbid that on the server that serves / |
| 10:51.12 | FatPhil | it even tried a sql injection in the user-agent more than once! |
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| 12:14.05 | HumanG33k | i need a jedi master |
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| 13:37.49 | enyc | fsmithred: hrrm you aren't here ;p |
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| 15:44.57 | Evilham | HumanG33k: you'd do best to ask a concrete question instead of asking to ask https://www.dontasktoask.com/ |
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| 15:51.15 | Evilham | lol, just found this by Rick: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 17:05.28 | fsmithred | enyc, what's up? |
| 17:05.45 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 17:51.39 | fsmithred | will check my pulse pks in minute |
| 17:54.51 | fsmithred | libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64 libpulse0:amd64 |
| 17:55.23 | fsmithred | blueman Depends libpulse-mainloop-glib0 |
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| 18:23.40 | enyc | fsmithred: I have gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsedsp pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils |
| 18:23.50 | enyc | but nonetheless, a pulseaudio *session* just isn't starting! |
| 18:26.20 | fsmithred | I have very little experience with pulse. There should be a setting in the config file (/etc/pulse-something) |
| 18:26.42 | fsmithred | and check the startup apps for the desktop. I don't recall where that is in mate. |
| 18:27.00 | enyc | well you see if wonder if that now relies on systemd-logind or some other systemd session manager 'thing' |
| 18:27.16 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:27.20 | fsmithred | you have consolekit? |
| 18:27.34 | enyc | ii consolekit 0.4.6-6 |
| 18:27.52 | enyc | yes, and login, logout, rebooting form menu, mounting removables, all works |
| 18:28.16 | fsmithred | we have elogind, but it might be a pain to switch to that |
| 18:28.23 | ba55 | is there a download for the beowulf iso? |
| 18:28.33 | ba55 | i got an RC1 a while ago, dont see it now |
| 18:28.33 | fsmithred | no beowulf isos yet |
| 18:28.49 | ba55 | ahh - i wonder if the RC was pulled |
| 18:28.51 | fsmithred | no, there's been no rc1 for beowulf |
| 18:29.05 | ba55 | yeah there was lol |
| 18:29.05 | fsmithred | there's been no beta for beowulf, and that will precede the rc |
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| 18:29.11 | fsmithred | no, there wasn't |
| 18:29.11 | ba55 | i ran it |
| 18:29.22 | fsmithred | if it said rc, then it must have been ascii |
| 18:29.27 | fsmithred | there was a mini.iso |
| 18:29.29 | fsmithred | for beowulf |
| 18:29.44 | fsmithred | and I'm pretty sure it no longer works because of kernel changes |
| 18:29.51 | ba55 | got ya oh well |
| 18:29.54 | ba55 | i built a new pc |
| 18:30.04 | ba55 | i cant set it up yet till this comes out lol |
| 18:30.10 | ba55 | want to do 100% fresh |
| 18:30.24 | fsmithred | if you really want beowulf, which isn't fully ready but can work just fine... |
| 18:30.34 | ba55 | nah i can wait :) |
| 18:30.37 | fsmithred | install a bare ascii and upgrade |
| 18:30.50 | fsmithred | or use one of the derivatives that has a beowulf iso |
| 18:30.50 | ba55 | i'm sure it will be out sooner than later |
| 18:31.05 | ba55 | what do u mean by that second comment?? |
| 18:31.10 | fsmithred | yeah, we should have installer isos soon |
| 18:31.24 | fsmithred | some of the devuan derivative distros have beowulf isos |
| 18:31.45 | fsmithred | refracta, miyolinux, I think gnuinos, and maybe star or crows (not sure) |
| 18:31.51 | ba55 | ahh got ya - yeah ill hold off on those |
| 18:31.57 | ba55 | i tried antix the other day |
| 18:31.58 | fsmithred | lol, ok |
| 18:32.00 | ba55 | man thats a bitch |
| 18:32.06 | fsmithred | in what way? |
| 18:32.20 | ba55 | for old slow pc's i get it |
| 18:32.22 | ba55 | but its so basic |
| 18:32.27 | ba55 | the window managers etc |
| 18:32.47 | ba55 | i was just isntalling vm's seeing what other deb based distros without sysd looked like |
| 18:33.24 | fsmithred | sometimes using just a window manager is a relief. |
| 18:33.54 | fsmithred | very little to go wrong with it |
| 18:34.45 | fsmithred | check back in a few weeks and we might have a beta |
| 18:34.54 | fsmithred | or |
| 18:34.58 | fsmithred | we might all be on vacation |
| 18:35.52 | ba55 | lol |
| 18:35.58 | ba55 | im counting on a few days for the iso ;) |
| 18:36.13 | fsmithred | oh, you haven't been here very long |
| 18:36.55 | ba55 | ive been around under diff nicks |
| 18:37.03 | fsmithred | I can probably get desktop-base put together in a week or so, but all the task- packages need to be done |
| 18:37.24 | ba55 | so how long after stretch came out, did ASCII release? |
| 18:37.29 | fsmithred | a year |
| 18:37.35 | ba55 | wow |
| 18:37.37 | fsmithred | which was half as late as jessie |
| 18:37.55 | fsmithred | and I'm counting on beowulf being half as late as ascii was |
| 18:38.02 | ba55 | well then, maybe i should just go deb for now then switch when it's released :) |
| 18:38.10 | fsmithred | so, I feel confident we'll have a release before the end of the year |
| 18:38.13 | ba55 | awesome |
| 18:38.24 | ba55 | its nice to have someone give me legit answers, i appreciate it |
| 18:38.36 | fsmithred | I can tell you that the system is stable long before we get the installer isos debugged |
| 18:38.58 | fsmithred | stable in the sense of "it works" |
| 18:39.06 | ba55 | so stable.... say i installed ascii and upgraded... is there gna be any major downsides u know of? |
| 18:39.17 | ba55 | i got a laptop i can test on |
| 18:39.19 | fsmithred | depends on how you installed ascii |
| 18:39.34 | ba55 | i would do it as u instruct me to :p |
| 18:39.34 | fsmithred | if you selected a destkop environment from tasksel in the installer... |
| 18:39.39 | fsmithred | you're in for a world of hurt |
| 18:39.47 | ba55 | yeah so this machine im on , wont work |
| 18:39.49 | ba55 | its MATE |
| 18:40.01 | fsmithred | if you installed your desktop environment in individual pieces... |
| 18:40.06 | fsmithred | upgrade won't be too bad |
| 18:40.24 | enyc | fsmithred: hrrm pulseaudio -D can just start pulse manually no rpoblem seemingl |
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| 18:40.32 | ba55 | alright so say, from fresh install - how would i do it? |
| 18:40.33 | fsmithred | if you install just a bare cli system, upgrade and then add desktop, it'll probably work pretty easily |
| 18:40.35 | enyc | fsmithred: but i'm now locking-up on vlc still, screns black out, etce tc |
| 18:40.38 | ba55 | got ya |
| 18:40.59 | ba55 | well if u feel like it, (or get time) pm me a list of what i need to do for the upgrade |
| 18:41.04 | fsmithred | metapackages cause issues because not all the deps are ready |
| 18:41.04 | ba55 | id be happy to try it and report back |
| 18:41.27 | fsmithred | check the guides for upgrade to ascii. It should be similar. |
| 18:41.48 | ba55 | cool cool |
| 18:42.54 | fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 18:43.28 | ba55 | wow it seems pretty simple |
| 18:43.33 | fsmithred | I've upgraded refracta to beowulf and it wasn't bad. It's xfce without metapackages. |
| 18:43.48 | fsmithred | I tried stretch/kde to beowulf a few days ago and it was hell. |
| 18:44.03 | ba55 | so say i install fresh with no destop |
| 18:44.05 | ba55 | upgrade |
| 18:44.08 | ba55 | THEN i can install mate |
| 18:44.13 | ba55 | and it should be ok? |
| 18:44.22 | enyc | ba55: maybe ;p |
| 18:44.26 | fsmithred | yeah, pretty sure. I haven't tried mate in beowulf, but I think it's ready |
| 18:44.47 | ba55 | heh well, when the rest of my parts show up today |
| 18:44.51 | ba55 | i will be trying! |
| 18:45.01 | fsmithred | Candidate: 1.20.4-2 |
| 18:45.28 | fsmithred | mate-desktop ^^^ |
| 18:45.28 | enyc | ba55: for me, "pulseaudio -D" as user isn't auto starting |
| 18:45.40 | enyc | ba55: for me, i'm having video accell issues |
| 18:45.47 | enyc | but these may not be devuan specific issues |
| 18:45.52 | ba55 | hmm i dont use pulse audio anymore |
| 18:46.13 | fsmithred | enyc, do you normally use non-free vid drivers? |
| 18:46.19 | enyc | fsmithred: no |
| 18:46.30 | ba55 | i switched to JACK |
| 18:46.33 | enyc | fsmithred: radeon |
| 18:46.35 | ba55 | and audio has been superb |
| 18:46.49 | enyc | removed the vaapi packages etc. |
| 18:48.29 | fsmithred | firmware-amd-graphics is in non-free |
| 18:48.54 | enyc | oooooooooooh hadn't considered that bit |
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| 18:49.10 | fsmithred | yeah, a few people have run into problems without that |
| 18:49.24 | ba55 | bbiab guys, gotta get back to work :/ |
| 18:49.41 | enyc | well, i'm not using user/kernel non free driver |
| 18:50.06 | enyc | unless you go to some ... new risc architecture etc you are rather stuck with thins ilke intel microcode proprietary let alonge video ! |
| 18:50.10 | enyc | anyway |
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| 18:50.24 | enyc | without mesa/vdpau driver whatnots, vlc working now |
| 18:50.36 | fsmithred | wow |
| 18:51.10 | enyc | fsmithred: whyso wow? |
| 18:51.32 | fsmithred | usually you need to add that stuff to fix vid problems |
| 18:51.51 | enyc | fsmithred: i'm going to leave it like this for now and see if other traditional issues i have had, go away |
| 18:52.11 | enyc | fsmithred: even on ascii, if i did alot of videos, usage, chormium, etc iwould eventually get osme sort of drm errors in kernel nad general system crash |
| 18:52.22 | enyc | well, xorg/video crash and genealyl reboot needed |
| 18:52.36 | enyc | be nice to see this new arrangement (even without vdpau accell) might actually be more reliable now! |
| 18:52.41 | fsmithred | I get that when I open too many browser tabs |
| 18:53.02 | enyc | the other thing i will re-try sooner or alter is just phasing out chromium! |
| 18:53.27 | enyc | a friend of mine has a sepratae cgroup/whatever and constrains chromium's ram because otherwise it is like a gas that expands to fill all available.... |
| 18:53.51 | enyc | on my mx-linux on another disk, i had firefox working preety well ... |
| 18:54.00 | fsmithred | choosing a browser these days is like choosing a president - whichever one you least want, pick the other |
| 18:54.16 | slvr | links has been good to me |
| 18:54.28 | enyc | slvr: yes i used that too ;p |
| 18:54.39 | enyc | slvr: lots of packages.debian.org/[something] and maunalyl saving debs ;p |
| 18:56.22 | fsmithred | bbiab |
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| 19:46.33 | guru | Is beowulf stable enough in a production environment? |
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| 19:58.22 | enyc | guru: depends on your use case i suspect |
| 19:58.32 | enyc | guru: a lot seems to work fine, som fun with dependencies and desktops |
| 19:59.01 | guru | webserver |
| 19:59.03 | enyc | 19:38 < fsmithred> so, I feel confident we'll have a release before the end of the year |
| 19:59.34 | enyc | fsmithred: btw, no, i have separate dual-pentium-III thing with old xen and screen sessions and allsorts ;p |
| 19:59.59 | fsmithred | kayak? |
| 20:01.30 | enyc | guru: very likely to be fine i suspect! |
| 20:01.37 | enyc | guru: try it |
| 20:02.00 | fsmithred | pretty sure we don't mess with apache at all |
| 20:02.10 | fsmithred | or nginx |
| 20:02.16 | enyc | of course, debian buster , and consequently devuan beowulf is tried much less in production already , so you could choose to wait for next point release, or devuan formal release ... |
| 20:02.32 | guru | Yeah seems like I should stick to ascii to be safe |
| 20:02.45 | enyc | fsmithred: i guess the fun could come with ... removed or outdated/broken sysvinit start scripts |
| 20:03.14 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't know if they're removing them |
| 20:03.54 | enyc | r_state [radeon]] *ERROR* rv770_restrict_performance_levels_before_switch failed |
| 20:03.55 | enyc | radeon 0000:01:00.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 10208msec |
| 20:03.55 | enyc | radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU lockup (current fence id 0x0000000000049a5f last fence id 0x0000000000049a85 on ring 0) |
| 20:04.11 | enyc | i may well do twell to try a neewer/upstream kernel |
| 20:04.30 | enyc | but first i try radeon.dpm=0 nomodeset |
| 20:06.51 | fsmithred | FWIW, I just installed apache2 onto the machine behind me (beowulf/xfce) and then connected to it with a browser on the computer in front of me. Didn't even have to get out of my chair. "It works" |
| 20:07.06 | fsmithred | ! |
| 20:07.40 | fsmithred | try installing in a VM to see if everything you need installs easily. |
| 20:10.29 | fsmithred | btw, computer in front of me is still running jessie, because it works. |
| 20:17.22 | FatPhil | i think everything I can see is running jessie (2 Pis, 1 Pi3, an Asus lappy, and an MSI cubie mini thingy) |
| 20:21.54 | Centurion_Dan | hi fsmithred! |
| 20:24.11 | fsmithred | hi Centurion_Dan |
| 20:24.18 | fsmithred | you back home? |
| 20:25.58 | Centurion_Dan | nope, just back at the inlaws where I have decent connectivity and power... the campervan doesn't have an inverter and I don't have a dc-dc converter for my laptop. |
| 20:26.31 | Centurion_Dan | It was nice having a couple of days without the children though ;-) |
| 20:26.39 | slvr | get a 14 volt laptop |
| 20:27.02 | guru | fsmithred: so far so good thank you :) |
| 20:27.03 | fsmithred | he's got a couple of semaphore flags tucked behind the driver's seat |
| 20:27.08 | enyc | oh this is getting silly |
| 20:27.19 | enyc | i now have some non display related issue entierly |
| 20:27.28 | fsmithred | what issues? |
| 20:27.36 | enyc | even without changig kernel command line i now cant boot 4.19.0-5-amd64 even afer reinsatlalng package |
| 20:27.44 | enyc | it get so ar booting and gets sotck on a mountan of:- |
| 20:28.06 | enyc | WARNING: Device /dev/sd?? not enetialised in udev hataase even ater waiting 100000000 microseconds. or so |
| 20:28.17 | fsmithred | are you in chroot now? |
| 20:28.32 | fsmithred | or you get that on booting? |
| 20:28.45 | enyc | i get that on booting |
| 20:28.51 | enyc | i can boot a 4.9.0-9-amd64 |
| 20:28.55 | fsmithred | I was getting that error in chroot while running update-grub |
| 20:28.57 | enyc | just not the 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 20:29.09 | enyc | wich has now become broken ;-( |
| 20:29.15 | enyc | but only very recently |
| 20:29.23 | enyc | did a dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and reinstalled grub |
| 20:29.43 | fsmithred | ok, not a uefi problem |
| 20:29.45 | enyc | did a --reinstall of the linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 package wahteer it was |
| 20:29.49 | enyc | yes , not uefi machine |
| 20:29.52 | enyc | oh |
| 20:29.58 | enyc | it EVENTUALLY boots 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 20:30.02 | enyc | just very very slow at first |
| 20:30.07 | enyc | i left it for a bit... |
| 20:30.23 | fsmithred | yeah, I saw the same with update-grub - those messages took a long time to finish |
| 20:30.44 | enyc | fsmithred: recent udev upgrade? whats changed very lately? |
| 20:30.55 | fsmithred | a couple months ago, I ran into that and I think I ended up mounting /run/udev to the chrooted system |
| 20:31.09 | fsmithred | and that made the warnings go away |
| 20:31.58 | fsmithred | I thought it was related to the grub-efi-amd64-signed package at the time, but I guess not. |
| 20:32.35 | enyc | slaps enyc |
| 20:32.36 | enyc | [ 402.700697] radeon: `o' invalid for parameter `dpm' |
| 20:32.43 | enyc | BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/clone_vg-root ro radeon.dpm=o nomodeset |
| 20:32.48 | enyc | 0 not o ;p |
| 20:32.51 | enyc | slaps enyc |
| 20:32.56 | guru | I'm kind of scared to upgrade from ascii to beowulf on my laptop. Should I take the plunge? ;) |
| 20:33.04 | guru | Someone flip a coin |
| 20:33.16 | fsmithred | guru, wait |
| 20:33.20 | guru | Smart man hah |
| 20:33.26 | fsmithred | I assume you need to use your laptop, right? |
| 20:33.29 | guru | Yup hah |
| 20:33.38 | fsmithred | and it's working now? |
| 20:33.43 | enyc | guru: i took complete disk image backup on this desktop system disk ;p |
| 20:33.50 | fsmithred | Don't fuck with it. |
| 20:33.56 | enyc | +1 to fsmithred |
| 20:34.13 | fsmithred | still has a wheezy server in production |
| 20:34.15 | guru | fsmithred: Solid advice thanks :) |
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| 20:35.44 | fsmithred | for your amusement, if you're hot to play with beowulf, put this on a usb: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta10-nodbus_amd64-2019-04-16.iso |
| 20:36.43 | guru | :) I'll do that thanks |
| 20:38.53 | fsmithred | I think that one does not have a network manager of any kind. |
| 20:39.01 | fsmithred | dhclient eth0 |
| 20:39.23 | guru | Isn't wheezy EOL? |
| 20:39.55 | enyc | guru: ELTS for wheezy exists |
| 20:40.06 | enyc | guru: but doesn't cover all packages |
| 20:40.21 | guru | Debian 8 will also receive Long Term Support for five years after its initial release with support ending on June 30, 2020. The supported architectures include amd64, i386, armel and armhf. |
| 20:40.22 | guru | ah I see |
| 20:40.32 | guru | fsmithred is playing the long game :P |
| 20:41.24 | enyc | finally boots complexity mochinu with ... radeon.dpm=0 nomodeset ;p |
| 20:43.52 | fsmithred | yeah, wheezy died some time ago. I thought about updating to jessie - the main app that is needed would continue to work, but after that, there's no deb package |
| 20:44.16 | fsmithred | and it's lvm on raid, so I decided not to mess with it |
| 20:44.23 | enyc | [ 356.084078] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting. |
| 20:44.23 | enyc | [ 356.084138] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module! |
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| 20:49.20 | fsmithred | enyc, stackexchange says remove nomodeset |
| 20:52.13 | enyc | fsmithred: indeed! |
| 20:52.21 | enyc | seems like modern radeon requires kms |
| 20:54.09 | fsmithred | you have new vid card in old machine? Or was the pIII something else? |
| 20:55.28 | enyc | piii/machine is that with irssi etc |
| 20:55.34 | enyc | nothing todo with desktop with error |
| 20:59.48 | fsmithred | and another search hit says to add radeon.modeset=0 |
| 21:00.45 | fsmithred | which I'm pretty sure does the same thing as nomodeset |
| 21:01.27 | enyc | hrrm yesand not useful with new kernels |
| 21:02.04 | enyc | fsmithred: going to try newer kernels ;p |
| 21:05.45 | fsmithred | enyc, does that install have anything in /dev when it's not running? |
| 21:07.20 | fsmithred | all I have in the install that gave me that error message about devs not in udev database has only /dev/null |
| 21:07.57 | fsmithred | standard debian install has some static links in /dev. I don't know if that would make a difference. |
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| 21:27.02 | enyc | fsmithred: hrrm good question |
| 21:27.20 | enyc | fsmithred: booting this 5.2 kernel finally ;p |
| 21:27.49 | enyc | ssame nonsens with not initialiezd in ude database etc |
| 21:28.12 | enyc | was very helpful to boot into older 4.9 kernel, then sort out linux kernel installs |
| 21:28.25 | enyc | as grub-probe etc semeed to have massive runtime hangups similarly |
| 21:47.04 | fsmithred | I'm thinking eudev is involved. Might be helpful to know what conditions trigger that warning. |
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| 21:59.28 | guru | enyc: I made a backup image like you did and upgraded. Glad I did the performance is significantly better. |
| 21:59.59 | enyc | guru: im still arguing with kernels and radeon |
| 22:00.08 | enyc | i SEEM to have a config that works-to-a-fashion, sort of! |
| 22:00.11 | guru | :( |
| 22:00.17 | enyc | [ 1270.464947] [drm:radeon_uvd_cs_parse [radeon]] *ERROR* Invalid UVD handle! |
| 22:00.17 | enyc | [ 1270.465011] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl [radeon]] *ERROR* Invalid command stream ! |
| 22:00.19 | guru | Do you use yours to game as well? |
| 22:00.25 | enyc | no |
| 22:00.27 | guru | Ah |
| 22:00.55 | enyc | hrrm, i add virtualbox to the mix ;p |
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| 22:05.46 | guru | I have no idea what packages affected my FPS but I'm loving it |
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| 22:42.30 | enyc | guru: what sort of gpu do you use? what games you play? |
| 22:46.14 | enyc | fsmithred: i did a bind (not rbind) mount of / into /bind ... /bind/dev ... theres only liwmimted items there, console core fd full kmem loop* mem null port ptmx pts ram* random shm std* tty tty0 urandom zero |
| 22:46.42 | enyc | fsmithred: none of the sd?? etc that booting was complainnig about |
| 22:55.38 | slvr | should a non-active /dev (such as with bind mounts) have anything in it at all? |
| 22:57.58 | fsmithred | thanks for checking, enyc. I don't think that's the problem. |
| 22:58.09 | fsmithred | slvr, you can go either way with that |
| 22:59.38 | fsmithred | enyc, I don't get the error if I mount the hosts /run/udev to the chroot |
| 23:00.05 | fsmithred | so I'm thinking in your case maybe /run/udev doesn't exist when it's needed |
| 23:20.18 | fsmithred | searching the error message led me to this: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11314 |
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