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| 07:12.32 | enyc | Hrrm, what testing useful for Beowulf ? beta testing of this ready? |
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| 13:20.14 | oko | Hello! |
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| 16:32.58 | akaizen | hi any updates on 3.0 release |
| 16:33.14 | akaizen | debian 10 / buster became stable today |
| 16:34.52 | fsmithred | we should have installer isos soon-ish |
| 16:34.54 | fsmithred | betas |
| 16:35.06 | akaizen | egg-cellent, very excited |
| 16:35.37 | MinceR | "stable" |
| 16:35.42 | akaizen | what can i do to help get them proven and "stable" faster? |
| 16:36.05 | fsmithred | test them when they become available |
| 16:36.48 | akaizen | sounds good, got a nas, firewall and webserver |
| 16:37.03 | akaizen | will verify on a test server first before moving to prod |
| 16:37.06 | fsmithred | you could test upgrades and migrations if you want |
| 16:37.13 | fsmithred | just don't do it on a system you care about |
| 16:37.36 | akaizen | i have a config system so its easier to do clean installs |
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| 16:38.02 | akaizen | point tftpd to a new iso :) |
| 16:38.13 | fsmithred | the upgrades I've done from ascii to beowulf were easy. |
| 16:39.25 | akaizen | cool, sadly my systems arnt running devuan at the moment |
| 16:39.42 | akaizen | a mix of ubuntu, debian, arch and gentoo |
| 16:40.06 | fsmithred | if you have a spare partition or space for a VM try migrating from debian stretch or buster to devuan beowulf |
| 16:40.59 | akaizen | sure, all i have to do is point to the dvuan apt mirrors and run dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:41.18 | fsmithred | Pretty much that. There are some guides here: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 16:41.58 | akaizen | k i can give that a try, where should i post logs and submit any bug reports |
| 16:42.42 | fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org forum or dng mailing list |
| 16:42.45 | fsmithred | for now |
| 16:42.53 | fsmithred | package bugs go to bugs.devuan.org |
| 16:43.16 | akaizen | cool, is there a offline server install image, the wiki/site says netinstall but that seems silly for cluster installs |
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| 16:43.39 | akaizen | is the dvd iso appropriate? |
| 16:43.42 | fsmithred | no install isos yet |
| 16:44.41 | fsmithred | you can use an ascii netinstall iso and do one of two things: either install base system and upgrade or choose expert install and you get to select beowulf. (I think that's in the current netinstall isos) |
| 16:44.47 | akaizen | ok, which one i should look out for |
| 16:45.00 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 16:45.57 | fsmithred | if you already have ascii dvd, you can use that |
| 16:46.04 | akaizen | i dont run a local apt mirror so a netinstall would waste bandwidth/time |
| 16:46.26 | akaizen | yea i figured the dvd would have most everything for a server install |
| 16:46.44 | fsmithred | if you want beowulf, everything will have to be downloaded (a netinstall) |
| 16:47.04 | akaizen | ill wait for the isos :) |
| 16:47.10 | fsmithred | or cheat and use one of the derivative distros that have beowulf isos |
| 16:47.43 | akaizen | downstream already has isos ? seems a bit out of order |
| 16:48.02 | fsmithred | yeah, but easy to do |
| 16:48.35 | fsmithred | either through upgrade, debootstrap install, live-sdk build |
| 16:48.47 | fsmithred | probably some other ways to get there, too. |
| 16:48.59 | fsmithred | some of us are impatient |
| 16:50.26 | akaizen | haha i know the feeling |
| 16:52.59 | enyc | fsmithred: testing new isos yes, but whta about testing update of ascii to beowulf on MATE desktop ? particuar fairuere erros with updates of elogind and usb automating and udev stuff etc.? |
| 16:53.45 | enyc | uerm, wondering if there are particular areas in the latter which might be suspect of issues on upgrades |
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| 16:55.56 | fsmithred | enyc, yeah, if you test mate upgrades, please report so others will know what to look out for. |
| 16:56.05 | fsmithred | and maybe there are bugs we can fix. |
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| 16:56.33 | fsmithred | There might already be some discussions about that at the forum. I have a tendency to ignore the mate threads. |
| 16:56.36 | akaizen | whats the u in uva? |
| 16:56.58 | akaizen | er vua |
| 16:57.04 | fsmithred | unix |
| 16:57.13 | fsmithred | Veteran Unix Admins |
| 16:57.30 | akaizen | ty |
| 17:00.29 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 17:05.06 | akaizen | thanks fsmithred, see you on the forums |
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| 17:10.36 | enyc | fsmithred: not found anything, just .. but have found your comment about beowulf stable enough to move to |
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| 17:27.12 | enyc | Hrrm |
| 17:27.40 | enyc | https://devuan.org/os/ In my view could do with link to the whateever-it-is page that shows you what packages devuan customizes/patches |
| 17:28.33 | enyc | this leads to related question, what is the state in beowulf with additional packages not yet sorted-out, are they to be held at older ascii versions, or won't install because of broken dependencies, or what will happen in practice for beowulf-unfinished? |
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| 18:02.59 | golinux | enyc: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages |
| 18:04.48 | golinux | The beta release of beowulf will find the remaining bugs. When stable is released it will be "finished". |
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| 18:11.58 | phogg | golinux: is that page supposed to show anything? Or is most stuff hidden from anonymous? |
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| 18:25.16 | phogg | golinux: nevermind, figured it out. Too much aggressive JS blocking. |
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| 21:28.20 | enyc | golinux: =) |
| 21:29.15 | enyc | golinux: still, interesting ed in ... what happes if i upgrade into beowulf now |
| 21:29.28 | enyc | golinux: might i end up with systemd-dependent packages or what? |
| 21:29.41 | enyc | backing-up disk-image right now ...... ;p |
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| 22:09.35 | golinux | enyc: Here's the list of banned packages https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 22:10.36 | golinux | So that's not an issue. But depending on your usecase, there could be some bugs not systemd related. |
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| 22:13.39 | fsmithred | enyc, did you try the upgrade yet? |
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| 22:33.37 | drawkula | $ ncomm packages.destiny packages.devuan3-amd64 packages.devuan3-i386 | fgrep -i systemd | wc -l |
| 22:33.39 | drawkula | 0 |
| 22:34.17 | drawkula | 2 VMs and one netbook... with XFCE and no systemd found in their packages lists |
| 22:35.50 | drawkula | (here VMs are named after the OS+arch, real hardware has real names...) |
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| 23:18.35 | gmcastil | just reinstalled the latest version of devuan ascii - in addition to ascii, ascii-updates, and ascii-security what other repos should i add as well? |
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| 23:21.54 | gmcastil | is there a commonly used repo for things like chrome? |
| 23:22.03 | fsmithred | gmcastil, that covers it unless you need something from backports |
| 23:22.28 | fsmithred | chromium is in main, chrome I guess you would get from google. |
| 23:22.33 | gmcastil | when i first used devuan a couple years ago, i seem to remember having to add other stuff |
| 23:22.51 | gmcastil | but we dont include the debian repos right? |
| 23:22.58 | fsmithred | maybe had to remove some stuff too |
| 23:23.14 | fsmithred | no, just use devuan. amprolla will merge the stuff from debian |
| 23:23.29 | fsmithred | through a filter that's not shaped like a D |
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