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| 00:13.59 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | D1conf: #devuan-conf https://devuan.org/d1conf | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | You may need to auth to NickServ |
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| 00:14.56 | [rg] | do you guys have gcc on base? |
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| 01:45.45 | a6Y37l | I had success installing devuan 2 with a screen reader but the grub install failed for some reason so I installed with lilo. When the grub install failed, my computer just got lost in space and screen reader speech even went away. I was logging installation but never managed to capture those failed logs on the hard drive. |
| 01:47.03 | a6Y37l | If I try this again, I'll mount a flash drive and save logs to the flash drive. |
| 01:50.13 | golinux | a6Y37l: Are you visually impaired? |
| 01:51.15 | a6Y37l | No, I've never had any vision to be impaired; I'm part of the blind bats and was born that way. |
| 01:53.07 | golinux | The minimal-live.iso is blind-friendly |
| 01:53.16 | a6Y37l | The medical condition is bilateral microphthalmia and it's rare and genetic. |
| 01:53.40 | golinux | We have several blind users on devuan. |
| 01:54.14 | golinux | You seem to be doing very well with it. :) |
| 01:54.31 | a6Y37l | I used the minimal live iso to install. |
| 01:55.03 | golinux | ah . . . well then you could ask on the dng mailing list. |
| 01:55.46 | fsmithred | grub sometimes fails for no apparent reason. Don't be too surprised if it works next time. |
| 01:55.56 | a6Y37l | I've tried subscribing to it twice and never got a confirmation message so far as I can recall. |
| 01:57.31 | a6Y37l | When that happens it's because of undocumented errors. |
| 01:58.12 | a6Y37l | An error number will appear with no description. |
| 01:58.27 | golinux | Let me check. could you please pm me your username? |
| 02:00.31 | golinux | I'm in the database now. |
| 02:01.09 | golinux | But dinner is just now ready so I'll be afk for a while |
| 02:02.56 | golinux | Also check your spam for the confirmation. I'm off . . . |
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| 12:43.29 | FlibberTGibbet | hi, just saw a message from data center light that they're now supporting beowulf. has it actually been released? |
| 12:44.30 | fsmithred | no, we don't even have a beta installer iso yet |
| 12:44.45 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks fsmithred! was a bit surprised tbh |
| 12:45.29 | fsmithred | you can install it from ascii netinstall if you choose expert |
| 12:46.24 | FlibberTGibbet | might give it a go sometime in a vm |
| 12:46.49 | fsmithred | either that or upgrade ascii - I've done that a couple times and it's working pretty well |
| 12:47.06 | FlibberTGibbet | oh, just a change to sources.list? |
| 12:47.09 | FlibberTGibbet | nice |
| 12:47.13 | fsmithred | I upgraded refracta, which has fewer metapackages |
| 12:47.21 | FlibberTGibbet | solid so far? |
| 12:47.26 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 12:47.48 | fsmithred | I haven't been using it a whole lot, but it seems to all work |
| 12:47.48 | FlibberTGibbet | cool. must admit i've never blown anything up in Devuan that I couldn't trace back to a yours-truly error |
| 12:47.55 | fsmithred | lol |
| 12:48.27 | fsmithred | desktop stuff is working in xfce (power, usb mounting) |
| 12:48.41 | FlibberTGibbet | that would do for the basic setup, for sure |
| 12:48.52 | FlibberTGibbet | has anyone tried an RPi4 with ascii yet, btw? |
| 12:49.08 | fsmithred | it seems that the upgrade to beowulf is easier than the jessie to ascii upgrade |
| 12:49.14 | FlibberTGibbet | not sure they've been out long enough |
| 12:49.19 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: o/ |
| 12:49.20 | fsmithred | I don't know. Ask in the arm channel |
| 12:49.24 | fsmithred | hi! |
| 12:49.39 | FlibberTGibbet | that's good. had only a few issues with jessie->ascii in any case |
| 12:49.59 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: did you get your refracta related packages to build? |
| 12:50.39 | fsmithred | nope. I tried again yesterday. |
| 12:50.41 | fsmithred | same error |
| 12:50.53 | fsmithred | problem with the label |
| 12:51.43 | Centurion_Dan | ok. I'll check out further in the morning and figure out why it's rejecting... |
| 12:51.51 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 12:51.56 | fsmithred | you got dbus to build? |
| 12:52.22 | fsmithred | oops. I asked too soon. |
| 12:52.33 | Centurion_Dan | yes - ascii and ascii-security is up to date, and unstable and beowulf also tonight. |
| 12:52.47 | fsmithred | you gonna build for jessie before she retires? |
| 12:53.07 | fsmithred | ...next week |
| 12:53.55 | Centurion_Dan | is their a dbus security update for that too? I didn't look that far. |
| 12:54.03 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 12:54.09 | Centurion_Dan | I will do that tomorrow too then. |
| 12:54.32 | fsmithred | thanks |
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| 13:02.32 | Centurion_Dan | actually, looks like it failed the repo job for dbus into beowulf... I'll fix that too tomorrow... |
| 13:02.48 | Centurion_Dan | I'm off to bed o/ |
| 13:03.18 | fsmithred | sleep well |
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| 17:19.30 | buZz | https://fossbytes.com/valve-steam-work-with-linux-distros-gaming/ |
| 17:19.41 | buZz | almost feels like someone from devuan should be contacting them ;) |
| 17:19.45 | buZz | but i guess there might already be |
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| 18:16.13 | specing | buZz: .. no? |
| 18:16.28 | buZz | specing: why not? or what are you saying no to |
| 18:16.49 | specing | I don't see how bringing more proprietary software helps the FOSS community |
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| 18:17.18 | specing | at the same time I do see that FOSS games have ever declining player counts in their multiplayer rooms |
| 18:17.22 | buZz | thats a good point |
| 18:17.37 | specing | so perhaps focus should be redirected elsewhere |
| 18:17.46 | specing | and not into supporting more proprietary software |
| 18:17.58 | buZz | otoh there are ppl using steam on devuan (incl me), isnt it beneficial to devuan to see that support continue to work well? |
| 18:18.41 | buZz | of course, only if it doesnt take away attention from other more needing project, i agree |
| 18:20.44 | specing | no |
| 18:20.51 | specing | it does take attention away |
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| 18:20.58 | specing | particularly if you are using it |
| 18:21.17 | specing | you could be bumping player counts of FOSS games, but you choose differently |
| 18:26.25 | lsjet | I only play open games, or ancient emulated retro games. I don't do DRM, so Steam is a non-starter. |
| 18:26.27 | slvr | committing to support closed software is unsustainable. It's fine for cheaty quick opportunities, but has inevitable maintenance unacceptable consequences. |
| 18:27.28 | slvr | eg, shipping additional proprietary closed libraries, which is being strongarmed into "compatibility" like mozilla. |
| 18:27.33 | lsjet | slvr, right. It's unsustainable in the same sense as pursuing compatibility with closed document formats. The closed software suppliers always have the ability to pull the rug out from under you. |
| 18:27.45 | slvr | exactly. |
| 18:28.05 | slvr | or to "alter the deal further" as they please |
| 18:28.20 | lsjet | lol, ESB reference |
| 18:28.33 | slvr | I butchered it but yes. :) |
| 18:29.06 | slvr | now making wine a first class citizen on devuan would be different. It's technically open, unlike steam. |
| 18:31.35 | Leander_ | valve has contributed a lot to wine lately, via their proton fork |
| 18:32.18 | Leander_ | it's not a perfect situation, but I find it short-sighted to dismiss then so quickly |
| 18:32.20 | lsjet | Helping open source doesn't negate the harm of supporting DRM. You can save someone from drowning and still be a serial killer. |
| 18:33.03 | lsjet | Ok, that analogy was a little dark. :p |
| 18:33.45 | specing | :) |
| 18:34.11 | lsjet | DRM should be fought, subverted and broken, never supported. |
| 18:34.11 | Leander_ | so what? we just wait for AAA titles to magically land on Linux? |
| 18:34.15 | specing | Leander_: so, wine gets support, but their proprietary software does not |
| 18:34.29 | specing | they are a company and can support it themselves should they so desire |
| 18:34.38 | Evilham | I think this is the moment where people point out to #debian-fork or whatever that channel is :-) |
| 18:34.47 | Leander_ | indeed Evilham |
| 18:35.13 | specing | We just wait for FOSS AAA titles to land |
| 18:35.15 | specing | like 0ad |
| 18:35.25 | specing | and we support those |
| 18:35.30 | specing | but not proprietary ones |
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| 18:38.29 | lsjet | I like Oolite and FreeOrion. Pioneer is good too. |
| 18:40.29 | golinux | Evilham: I was just about to do that myself. Please take this to #debianfork (no -) |
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