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| 00:00.52 | Xenguy | snaps his fingers to the groove... |
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| 01:49.59 | Digit | what was the name of that program that would echo a string of text in large multi-line ascii characters...? can someone remind me? |
| 01:52.01 | Digit | figlet! nm. scroll through websearch got me there /eventually/ |
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| 05:09.25 | drawkula | Digit: toilet can add color to banners... but that increases eye cancer and decreases readability. |
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| 05:46.53 | Digit | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=figlet+vs+toilet&t=ffab&ia=answer n_n unexpected answer activity from ddg there. n_n |
| 05:47.02 | Digit | (thought i was searching to see which was the more libre) |
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| 09:23.01 | JTechno | hi folks, I want to ask a question about RAID 0 but my english is not very good so please bear with me |
| 09:24.43 | JTechno | I'm trying to install devuan into two identical HDDs, in the disk configuration step I can leave the two disks without partitiong and combine them to create a unique RAID device in which to do the partitioning OR create identical partitions in both devices and then combien them to create multiple RAID devices, so the question is: What procedure is correct or better? |
| 09:26.26 | Wonka | Depends on your personal preferences, mostly. |
| 09:26.37 | Wonka | there is no definitely "better" solution there |
| 09:27.04 | gnarface | but if you have to ask... probably the first one |
| 09:27.27 | Wonka | easier to manage, yes |
| 09:27.34 | Wonka | easier to change things later |
| 09:29.41 | JTechno | thank you guys, I supposed the outcomes will be the same but given the ambiguity I wanted to know if there was a "correct" approach |
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| 10:05.15 | GyrosGeier | if you want to boot from them, partitioning them individually is generally easier |
| 10:05.42 | r3boot | JTechno: the correct approach depends on how you want it setup. If the disk is shared between other systems, it's preferred to work with partitions. But if the disk is dedicated to the raid set (and depending on the raid configuration, you have a separate disk to boot from), by all means, use the whole disk, since this will make management over time MUCH more easy |
| 10:05.53 | GyrosGeier | otherwise you have to specify that the RAID superblock goes to the end of the disk |
| 10:06.32 | GyrosGeier | by default it goes to the beginning so the contents of the RAID aren't accidentally recognized |
| 10:07.21 | GyrosGeier | i.e. if you have LVM inside RAID, then having the RAID superblock at the end means that individual disks are recognized as LVM PVs, which confuses LVM |
| 10:07.49 | GyrosGeier | if the RAID superblock is at the beginning, the LVM superblock is shifted back a bit, and it's not recognized |
| 10:08.00 | r3boot | Personally, with ^^ setup (and given you want extra performance and a little perceived extra security), I'd go for raid1 using partitions; Small /boot (part of a raid1 set), and the rest in a single raid partition. On the large raid set, I'd configure LVM or ZFS to manage the actual storage + partitions |
| 10:08.11 | GyrosGeier | which breaks booting, but causes a lot fewer problems down the line |
| 10:08.38 | GyrosGeier | the other thing you could do is use LVM replication |
| 10:09.01 | GyrosGeier | LVM implements its own RAID handling |
| 10:09.32 | r3boot | Sure, but how well does that work? :) |
| 10:09.45 | GyrosGeier | that's a bit more brittle when a disk breaks you need to jump through more hoops to say "I know, just go with the other one" |
| 10:09.52 | GyrosGeier | the lower levels are the same code though |
| 10:10.12 | GyrosGeier | so internally it uses the same raid1 kernel module |
| 10:10.13 | r3boot | I've only seen LVM Raid work properly under HP/UX, and especially in recovery situations, having some well established raid layer is well worth the effort |
| 10:10.34 | GyrosGeier | yup |
| 10:10.57 | r3boot | And even then, LVM was designed for volume management, not raid configurations |
| 10:11.10 | r3boot | dont get me wrong, LVM+RAID is very cool, but not as dependable as MD |
| 10:11.38 | GyrosGeier | true, but you can tell it to make two copies of a volume, and it will make sure they are on different disks and set up the regular RAID drivers |
| 10:12.42 | GyrosGeier | internally it calls mdadm, but doesn't store the RAID configuration in a mdadm superblock, so it pulls the config from the LVM superblock |
| 10:13.27 | r3boot | Yep, and that introduces a 2nd layer of possible failure, since lvm metadata can become corrupt (has happened to me twice already) |
| 10:13.31 | GyrosGeier | to get back to the original question: small boot partition, 100 MB for UEFI or 512 MB for BIOS |
| 10:13.39 | GyrosGeier | on each disk |
| 10:13.42 | r3boot | yes, agreed |
| 10:13.56 | GyrosGeier | and the rest as large partitions |
| 10:13.59 | GyrosGeier | then MD on top |
| 10:13.59 | r3boot | in raid1, so you can keep them in sync automagically (dont forget to copy over the boot block :) |
| 10:14.02 | GyrosGeier | then LVM on top |
| 10:14.20 | r3boot | (or zfs, or btrfs, or some other volume manager.. you want a volume mgr :) |
| 10:14.32 | GyrosGeier | IIRC grub can be told to install to multiple devices |
| 10:14.43 | r3boot | Oh, another nice thing with the MD stack, it's trivial to introduce full disk encryption |
| 10:14.54 | r3boot | (and most installers + setups take that scenario into account) |
| 10:15.16 | GyrosGeier | usually I use lilo for those kinds of setups, because lilo sees the RAID and writes different bootblocks to the underlying devices |
| 10:15.37 | GyrosGeier | but booting from RAID still sucks |
| 10:15.49 | r3boot | atleast you can still boot :D |
| 10:16.09 | r3boot | Hell, MD has saved my ass *so*many*times* already :P (i am too cheap to buy good disks :P) |
| 10:16.23 | GyrosGeier | I switched to hardware RAID at some point |
| 10:16.45 | r3boot | only real failure I had with it was due to my own error (8 disk raid6, 3 disks broken) ... |
| 10:17.03 | GyrosGeier | soon I'll upgrade to something that gives me separate PCIe devices for different volumes |
| 10:17.17 | GyrosGeier | so my VMs don't have to go through the VM host for disk access |
| 10:17.40 | r3boot | Ah, nice |
| 10:18.15 | r3boot | iig, storage technology is something you want to be as conservative as possible with, imho |
| 10:19.02 | r3boot | its usually one of the moving parts in computers and has a tendency to break b/c that, so better have something that you know you can recover, imho |
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| 11:06.57 | ham5urg | I tried to install beowulf via debootstrap: debootstrap --arch=amd64 beowulf /mnt http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan |
| 11:07.43 | ham5urg | The installation breaks with an error |
| 11:08.27 | ham5urg | debootstrap.log: chroot: failed to run command 'mount': No such file ... |
| 11:09.10 | ham5urg | I tried: chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 11:09.23 | r3boot | (ghe, flashbacks to P2/P3 based beowulf clusters :D :D) |
| 11:09.24 | ham5urg | And got the same message |
| 11:14.09 | Wonka | ham5urg: tried /bin/mount instead of just mount? |
| 11:15.03 | ham5urg | Wonka, same error message |
| 11:15.58 | Wonka | sounds like there is no /mnt/bin/mount then... |
| 11:16.51 | ham5urg | How to install beowulf? |
| 11:17.27 | fsmithred | where are you running this from? Another devuan install? |
| 11:17.34 | ham5urg | yes |
| 11:17.49 | fsmithred | debootstrap should work, but I haven't done one recently |
| 11:18.14 | ham5urg | is this correct?: debootstrap --arch=amd64 beowulf /mnt http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan |
| 11:18.22 | KatolaZ | ham5urg: the repo to use is pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged |
| 11:18.29 | KatolaZ | (note the /devuan in your line....) |
| 11:18.35 | fsmithred | oh, good catch |
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| 11:20.07 | ham5urg | KatolaZ: installation looks like it's working, thanks |
| 11:20.41 | ham5urg | No, I must say it broke just again |
| 11:21.21 | ham5urg | Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt dpkg-deb -f /var/cache/apt..... |
| 11:22.23 | ham5urg | debootstrap.log: failed to run command 'dpkg-deb': Exec format error |
| 11:22.58 | ham5urg | It's my fault |
| 11:23.11 | ham5urg | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 11:23.14 | ham5urg | i386 |
| 11:23.22 | ham5urg | sorry to bother you guys |
| 11:23.33 | fsmithred | doh! |
| 11:24.16 | fsmithred | you could do it from a refracta iso |
| 11:25.13 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, do the minimal-live isos have debootstrap installed? |
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| 11:33.15 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: yes |
| 11:33.53 | fsmithred | so there's another way to do it. faster to download the iso, too. |
| 11:33.59 | fsmithred | ham5urg, ^^^ |
| 11:34.35 | fsmithred | at the moment, I'm attempting a beowulf install from the latest ascii mini-iso |
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| 11:59.15 | ham5urg | Installation went through, thanks |
| 11:59.44 | fsmithred | how'd you do it? |
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| 12:05.21 | ham5urg | via refracta |
| 12:05.52 | ham5urg | refracta with kde would be nice, somelike knopper-linux |
| 12:08.19 | fsmithred | oh, take a look at exegnulinux |
| 12:08.33 | fsmithred | it uses TDE |
| 12:09.17 | fsmithred | or... use the tools in refracta (or exegnu) to make your own custom live-iso |
| 12:12.19 | fsmithred | if you're going to install kde in your system, add refractasnapshot (and maybe refractainstaller) and make a live-iso snapshot of your system once you get what you want installed and configured. |
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| 13:50.16 | M0E-lnx | hey all, anyone here tried to install the brave browser on devuan ascii? |
| 13:50.30 | M0E-lnx | or know of a build that will work on ascii? |
| 13:56.50 | fsmithred | Sounds familiar - 'brave browser' comes up in these threads: https://dev1galaxy.org/search.php?search_id=968355906 |
| 13:58.55 | M0E-lnx | hmm... wants me to log in to see results? |
| 13:59.05 | M0E-lnx | I forgot my pw to that forum a long time ago |
| 13:59.31 | fsmithred | oh, just go to the main page and re-do the search |
| 13:59.42 | fsmithred | you don't need to log in |
| 14:00.01 | M0E-lnx | got it |
| 14:02.06 | M0E-lnx | meh... usual browser flame war... Im just looking for a way to try it |
| 14:02.26 | M0E-lnx | the apt repos are designed for ubuntu and such |
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| 14:04.26 | fsmithred | nobody tried the ubuntu package and reported? |
| 14:04.58 | fsmithred | if you can download the deb and it doesn't require a bunch of stuff that's not in devuan repo, it might work |
| 14:05.29 | fsmithred | I don't know what version of ubuntu is closest to ascii/stretch, but that shouldn't be too difficult to figure out |
| 14:06.08 | fsmithred | don't add an ubuntu repo to your sources - that could cause problems |
| 14:06.17 | M0E-lnx | that's what I thought... |
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| 14:06.37 | fsmithred | sometimes individual packages will work ok |
| 14:06.38 | M0E-lnx | I come from a non-deb/ubuntu background, so Idk much about silly codenames |
| 14:07.04 | fsmithred | go to distrowatch and compare things like kernel version or libc6 version |
| 14:07.35 | fsmithred | maybe ubuntu 16 or 17 |
| 14:08.39 | M0E-lnx | this is one thing that bothers me... why do people think 'linux' == distro|pkg_format ? |
| 14:09.29 | M0E-lnx | https://brave-browser.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installing-brave.html#linux |
| 14:09.43 | M0E-lnx | what if $UBUNTU_CODENAME does not resolve? |
| 14:09.47 | M0E-lnx | grr |
| 14:14.31 | fsmithred | just replace that with the codename you want to use |
| 14:14.57 | fsmithred | I don't like that you have to add the repo. Can't seem to get to their packages directly. |
| 14:15.08 | fsmithred | maybe try this in a VM first |
| 14:19.34 | M0E-lnx | yeah |
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| 20:35.44 | stiltr | FYI there is now a Devuan image available for LXD on images.linuxcontainers.org! |
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