| 00:02.52 | bleb | i read that paragraph and see no issues with what ive done |
| 00:03.10 | bleb | but it does say that there should be a /var/log/pm-suspend.log file, and there is not |
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| 00:03.20 | bleb | only /var/log/pm-powersave.log |
| 00:03.49 | fsmithred | I've never had to mess with that |
| 00:04.11 | fsmithred | it suspends, it wakes up |
| 00:05.55 | bleb | ah it works if i user pm-suspend and resume by hitting the power button |
| 00:06.06 | bleb | but not if i close/open my laptop lid |
| 00:06.25 | fsmithred | yeah, I have to hit the power button on my toshiba if I close the lid and leave it for a long time |
| 00:06.41 | fsmithred | and it comes right up (wakes up, not boot up) |
| 00:07.01 | bleb | my x201 sleeps and wakes up on close/open |
| 00:07.18 | bleb | but its not running the resume hook |
| 00:07.21 | fsmithred | and I have a dell that does not sleep unless I use the command |
| 00:08.10 | bleb | i guess it's not actually doing a pm-suspend but somehow it knows to turn off the screen and turn on the sleep indicator light |
| 00:08.40 | fsmithred | are there settings for that in the bios? |
| 00:09.15 | bleb | not sure what i'd look for |
| 00:09.27 | bleb | fwiw i know the sleep/wake on lid up/down is OS dependent |
| 00:09.40 | bleb | because systemd OS's fail at least ootb |
| 00:10.07 | bleb | so some part of devuan is detecting the lid shut and deciding to go to sleep but not pm-suspend |
| 00:12.42 | bleb | well the defaults in logind.conf say HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 00:12.48 | bleb | but i guess that doesn't necessarily mean pm-suspend |
| 00:13.17 | fsmithred | oh, there's probably a consolekit command for that |
| 00:13.43 | fsmithred | maybe other freedesktop commands |
| 00:15.22 | bleb | maybe i can get anacron to do it for me or something |
| 00:15.39 | bleb | but idk how anacron would run commands on lid open, its still just a program |
| 00:16.07 | fsmithred | there's an old discussion about this at dev1galaxy.org |
| 00:17.04 | bleb | link? |
| 00:17.39 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=774 |
| 00:17.46 | fsmithred | time for food. bbiab |
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| 00:20.11 | bleb | so maybe this is a limitation of sysvinit |
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| 00:56.49 | gnarface | bleb: it is most likely something easily modifiable to work that simply has not been done for your particular laptop because the signal is different for every different model |
| 00:57.27 | bleb | gnarface: but devuan is detecting lid events just fine |
| 00:57.46 | bleb | im just trying to run an additional command when the lid comes up |
| 00:57.49 | gnarface | in the old days, earlier laptops had vendor-specific packages you could install to add such hooks, but support has kinda fallen by the wayside for more recent laptops as the proliferation of hardware multiplies |
| 00:58.02 | bleb | well this is an x201 |
| 00:58.05 | bleb | i.e. not a recent laptop |
| 00:58.19 | gnarface | bleb: and no, you don't know that it's detecting lid events just fine. if all that happens is the backlight on the screen turns off, that could be a hardware feature entirely independent of the software. it could just be physically wired to the lid switch |
| 00:58.52 | bleb | i know that its detected in software because ubuntu fails to properly wake up while devuan succeeds |
| 00:59.09 | gnarface | (lack of standardization on implementations of these types of features probably contributes to the lack of support) |
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| 01:01.34 | gnarface | bleb: "apt-cache search laptop" |
| 01:01.41 | gnarface | see if there's any packages that come up that might help you |
| 01:01.47 | fsmithred | or search thinkpad |
| 01:02.00 | fsmithred | tpb |
| 01:02.20 | gnarface | they might have removed the thinkpad-extras package |
| 01:02.30 | gnarface | i can't find it |
| 01:02.34 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't see that one |
| 01:02.43 | gnarface | it did used to be there |
| 01:02.50 | fsmithred | there's thinkfan |
| 01:03.31 | gnarface | hmm. i thought it was, maybe i'm thinking of a toshiba package... |
| 01:04.00 | fsmithred | toshset |
| 01:04.08 | fsmithred | damn, I never thought to look for that |
| 01:04.26 | fsmithred | but then, access to keys won't help, 'cause it doesn't have a keyboard |
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| 01:05.01 | gnarface | maybe it's all in laptop-mode-tools now? |
| 01:09.27 | gnarface | oh hey, there's a task for that |
| 01:09.32 | gnarface | bleb: try installing task-laptop |
| 01:10.50 | gnarface | my guess is that, worst case scenario, some hook script is missing or needs a trivial edit, but there's a good chance it's in a package still somewhere |
| 01:11.19 | bleb | what hook script would i want? |
| 01:11.34 | gnarface | i'm sure you'll know it when you find it |
| 01:11.48 | gnarface | try installing task-laptop and see what it pulls in, then check those packages for scripts |
| 01:12.08 | bleb | ah it was already installed by default |
| 01:12.15 | gnarface | hmmm. |
| 01:12.21 | fsmithred | how did you install? |
| 01:12.26 | gnarface | how about laptop-mode-tools, was it also installed? |
| 01:12.58 | bleb | fsmithred: netinst usb stick |
| 01:13.07 | bleb | laptop-mode-tools isnt installed yet |
| 01:13.08 | fsmithred | live or installer iso? |
| 01:13.13 | bleb | installer |
| 01:14.13 | bleb | hm laptop-mode-tools wants to install a bunch of graphical crap |
| 01:14.20 | bleb | i dont think thats what i need |
| 01:14.41 | gnarface | it might be, because my quick google search on how to fix this in ubuntu shows you setting it in a gui menu... |
| 01:14.54 | gnarface | it also says to make sure pm-utils is installed |
| 01:15.08 | bleb | yeah it is |
| 01:15.33 | bleb | gnarface: the ubuntu solution is for pre-systemd days/ |
| 01:15.34 | bleb | ? |
| 01:15.39 | gnarface | had you made changes to logind.conf ? |
| 01:15.43 | bleb | no |
| 01:16.09 | gnarface | do you have a logind.conf? |
| 01:16.32 | bleb | yeah but its just the default with everything commented out |
| 01:16.40 | gnarface | https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-close-lid-suspend/ |
| 01:16.47 | gnarface | check out the specific 3 lines he says to change here |
| 01:17.49 | gnarface | i don't think it's systemd specific, because of the range of ubuntu versions he mentions, but it's not clear to me if it's gnome specific... |
| 01:19.53 | gnarface | it might be one of those things gnome provides a gui for, but could still work with elogind if you change this file manually |
| 01:20.01 | bleb | it looks like the only thing he changes is HandleLidSwitchDocked=suspend |
| 01:20.34 | bleb | tried that and restarted elogind, no luck |
| 01:20.35 | gnarface | i also see HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 01:20.48 | gnarface | and HandleSuspendKey=suspend |
| 01:21.10 | bleb | but those are already the defaults |
| 01:21.55 | gnarface | are they commented? |
| 01:22.12 | bleb | yeah |
| 01:22.24 | bleb | and it says "Entries in this file show the compile time defaults." |
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| 01:22.29 | gnarface | try just uncommenting them anyway, even if they're supposed to be the default |
| 01:22.40 | bleb | yeah i did, still doesnt help |
| 01:22.42 | gnarface | but i guess maybe that could mean this is the wrong approach |
| 01:22.44 | bleb | maybe i need to reboot |
| 01:22.48 | gnarface | well, try it |
| 01:22.58 | gnarface | but you might need to find an older solutino |
| 01:23.02 | gnarface | solution* |
| 01:23.10 | gnarface | something tied more directly to acpid or something |
| 01:23.58 | bleb | hmm |
| 01:24.02 | bleb | yeah rebooting did not help |
| 01:26.55 | gnarface | hmm. they seem to have really tried hard to absorb this functionality into systemd and then scrub their wiki of all evidence of the prior implementation... |
| 01:27.14 | gnarface | sorry, everything i'm finding is stuff we've already tried |
| 01:27.45 | gnarface | options i915 i915_enable_rc6=7 i915_enable_fbc=1 lvds_downclock=1 |
| 01:28.16 | gnarface | though i did find this set of recommended module options to save power on the GPU while it's suspended |
| 01:28.21 | gnarface | it won't fix your problem |
| 01:28.39 | bleb | maybe we can crib from void's /etc/zzz.d |
| 01:28.46 | bleb | however runit handles it |
| 01:28.51 | gnarface | maybe |
| 01:28.58 | gnarface | though one would think this was in debian wheezy too |
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| 01:38.06 | gnarface | bleb: i dunno if it'll help, but i notice that there are some additional docs and howtos in /usr/share/doc/pm-utils |
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| 01:39.00 | gnarface | they might constitute the missing documentation for this |
| 01:40.04 | gnarface | looks like it goes into detail of how /etc/pm/* is handled |
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| 01:47.23 | gnarface | bleb: sorry i can't help you more specifically. lemme know what you find out though |
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| 08:41.13 | sleon | hello everyone! I am currently on ascii! I am looking for devuan package for nvidia driver >=410. Do we have it? Are there any reposiories, which provide it? |
| 08:45.36 | Evilham | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=nvidia-driver&release=ascii |
| 08:45.44 | Evilham | sleon: ^^^^^ |
| 08:47.16 | sleon | Evilham: thank you! |
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| 09:15.45 | sleon | Evilham: I have added ascii-backports to the sources.list but the downloaded lists (after apt-get update) do not contain the package which were found on the page. Is this an issue with outdated mirror? |
| 09:17.29 | sleon | deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii-backports main non-free contrib <-- this is what I have used. After apt-get update; apt-cache showpkg nvidia-driver shows 390 and 384 as available versions. I am on amd64 system |
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| 09:29.26 | fsmithred | sleon, change packages.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org and you'll see 418 |
| 09:30.42 | sleon | fsmithred: cool! is this the main mirror? |
| 09:31.26 | KatolaZ_ | sleon: since more than 1.5 years ago |
| 09:31.50 | sleon | thx, my knowledge is a bit outdated :D |
| 09:31.57 | KatolaZ | np |
| 09:32.15 | KatolaZ | all our knowledge is outdated ;) |
| 09:32.31 | sleon | :) |
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| 09:50.06 | sleon | hmm, what does nvidia-driver 418.56-2~bpo9+1 [non-free/x11 - optional] |
| 09:50.07 | sleon | [Origin: Debian - ascii-backports - non-free] |
| 09:50.18 | sleon | does it mean that the package should be downloaded from debian repository? |
| 09:50.43 | sleon | after changing to deb.devuan.org i am still not getting nvidia-driver in the version 418 :/ |
| 09:51.50 | debdog | prolly means you have to add "backports" to your sources list and enable "non-free" for it |
| 09:53.23 | debdog | hmm, just don't ask me how |
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| 09:56.29 | debdog | maybe "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main non-free |
| 09:56.46 | Evilham | sleon: listen to debdog here :-D I was just typing that |
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| 10:06.05 | KatolaZ | sleon: the page on pkginfo tells you if the package has been modified by Devuan or not |
| 10:06.25 | KatolaZ | packages forked by Devuan have "Origin: Devuan" |
| 10:06.56 | KatolaZ | sleon: you need to use only devuan repos |
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| 10:29.10 | sleon | thx guys |
| 10:29.12 | sleon | trying out |
| 10:29.53 | sleon | yes! worked |
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| 15:54.18 | jaromil | first interview published after our conference! https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/1131589006993567744 |
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| 15:57.00 | jaromil | it's time to blush for fsmithred :^D |
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| 16:44.35 | KatolaZ | that's a good one fsmithred ;P |
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| 17:53.47 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, jaromil... what? |
| 17:55.31 | jiefk | Guys, I need your help again. My touchpad still does not work with kernel > 4.19.0.2 (amd64) |
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| 17:56.52 | jiefk | I found on internet'z that adding "psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=0" on cmdline might solve this issue (that was in 2017, 4.11-4.13 area) |
| 17:57.13 | jiefk | and indeed, that worked, my touchpas is working now ! |
| 17:59.06 | jiefk | touchpad** . What is missing / has changed since 4.19.0.2 ? More generally, where do I report regression with random hardware ? |
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| 18:31.14 | unixman | WTF?! I upgrade to ascii and get pulseaudio back? Bleah! I thoght I had gotten rid of that mess. :( |
| 18:32.06 | furrywolf | it gets dragged in by a lot of crap |
| 18:32.14 | furrywolf | nothing seems to actually break if you remove it, though |
| 18:32.31 | furrywolf | fun fact: gimp, which has absolutely no concept of sound whatsoever, depends on libpulse. |
| 18:32.37 | furrywolf | because |
| 18:32.48 | furrywolf | because "dependencies gone mad" seems to be the current debian plan... |
| 18:35.26 | unixman | So, I can remove that. What are you using for sound, furrywolf? |
| 18:35.53 | furrywolf | alsa |
| 18:36.19 | unixman | Okay, thanks. That's what I had before, I think. Putting that back. |
| 18:36.42 | furrywolf | there's too many giant-monolithic-multifunction-blob-libraries, which depend on a zillion unrelated things for features that 99% of things depending on them will never use. |
| 18:36.58 | furrywolf | gimp drags in sdl which depends on pulse |
| 18:37.00 | furrywolf | libpulse |
| 18:37.38 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 18:50.22 | Wonka | furrywolf: well, Sound in Firefox and Chromium depends on pulseaudio nowadays :/ |
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| 18:56.16 | KatolaZ | Wonka: you can use apulse |
| 19:01.18 | unixman | Wonka, I'm running "Chromium Version 73.0.3683.103 (Official Build) (64-bit)" on FreeBSD. I have sound and no pulseaudio. |
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| 19:02.36 | furrywolf | Wonka: debian has been building firefox with --enable-alsa. |
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