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| 04:19.02 | Syllin | lenovo carbon x1 gen 6 |
| 04:19.18 | Syllin | i get very soft sound, but somethings definitely wrong |
| 04:21.18 | Syllin | looks like i can use this guy https://github.com/christopherccg/realtek-alsa-driver/commits/master |
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| 06:34.32 | scoofy | trying to set locale on devuan ascii (armel/raspi), is this documented somewhere? |
| 06:35.17 | scoofy | get lots of locale-related warnings, i believe because the generated locale is en_US.UTF-8, but the system locale is set to en_GB.UTF-8 so scripts believe the locale is not installed |
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| 08:03.50 | xrogaan | scoofy: same way than debian |
| 08:05.13 | xrogaan | scoofy: /etc/locale.gen and then the cmd locale-gen |
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| 08:07.11 | xrogaan | to know your locale: locale |
| 08:08.31 | xrogaan | and then you have the update-locale command |
| 08:08.47 | xrogaan | changes your system's locale, apparently. |
| 08:09.08 | xrogaan | read the manual for all those |
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| 08:22.38 | scoofy | xrogaan: I'm getting errors. please see https://paste.debian.net/1080489/ |
| 08:23.55 | scoofy | i get lots similar warnings when using apt-get |
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| 08:27.32 | scoofy | also tried 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', that failed too |
| 08:27.49 | scoofy | should i file a bug report, or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 10:07.44 | xrogaan | your locale.gen file is broken |
| 10:09.31 | xrogaan | add en_GB.utf8 in it |
| 10:09.53 | xrogaan | well en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 10:10.16 | xrogaan | also fucking `man locale.gen' |
| 10:10.32 | scoofy | but i want my locale to be en_US.UTF8 |
| 10:10.42 | scoofy | i didn't set en_GB |
| 10:10.52 | xrogaan | >> update-locale |
| 10:11.06 | scoofy | gives the error message I quoted. |
| 10:11.17 | xrogaan | Yes, meaning you didn't RTFM |
| 10:11.58 | scoofy | 'man locale-gen' is one paragraph, and doesn't say anything useful |
| 10:12.09 | xrogaan | > https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/locales/update-locale.8.en.html |
| 10:12.49 | xrogaan | locale.gen is a file listing all the locale that needs generated |
| 10:12.57 | scoofy | got that part |
| 10:13.16 | xrogaan | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/locales/locale.gen.5.en.html |
| 10:13.48 | xrogaan | so you want the en_US in it |
| 10:14.16 | scoofy | just as I did! as shown by the pastelog... |
| 10:14.23 | scoofy | it fails to update |
| 10:14.25 | xrogaan | to change the locale of your system, you need to change some variable in /etc/default/locale (which is what update-locale do, plus sanitizing) |
| 10:15.29 | scoofy | /etc/default/locale says en_US, 'locale' still says en_GB |
| 10:15.49 | scoofy | /etc/default/locale was generated by update-locals |
| 10:16.15 | scoofy | what do i need to do that the system now recognizes my locale as en_US? |
| 10:16.18 | xrogaan | You can override which locale a software needs to use with `LC_ALL=en_US cmd' |
| 10:16.38 | scoofy | look, my problem is, i constantly get warning error messages about locales whenever i do system administration... |
| 10:16.42 | scoofy | i just want to get rid of the warnings |
| 10:16.55 | xrogaan | You probably want to reboot once the locale is generated and the default set |
| 10:17.07 | scoofy | i'll try. |
| 10:17.08 | xrogaan | because your system environment is still set on the old locale |
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| 10:17.36 | xrogaan | The locale is just a variable set at boot or when you start a DE |
| 10:17.53 | scoofy | so, might not get updated until reboot |
| 10:17.57 | xrogaan | if you generate the en_GB locale, the error will go away |
| 10:18.14 | xrogaan | also, you can have more than one line in locale.gen |
| 10:18.19 | scoofy | i'll try if it persists. thanks. |
| 10:18.43 | xrogaan | If you just want to make the error go away, you can just do that. |
| 10:19.11 | scoofy | rebooted. it's still en_GB. anyways i'll try to generate en_GB , hoping the errors go away |
| 10:19.17 | xrogaan | As I said, same system as debian: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 10:19.28 | xrogaan | paste your /etc/default/locale |
| 10:19.29 | scoofy | but it's still en_GB... no idea why |
| 10:22.35 | xrogaan | you want update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 10:23.02 | scoofy | https://paste.debian.net/1080504/ |
| 10:23.21 | xrogaan | you do not want LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 10:23.25 | scoofy | i pasted this from a putty login. when i log in from my raspi, then 'locale' says en_GB (cannot copy/paste that) |
| 10:23.41 | scoofy | well, that was generated by update-locale, not me |
| 10:23.57 | xrogaan | it generate with something you type |
| 10:24.08 | scoofy | didn't pass any arguments |
| 10:24.26 | scoofy | everything was default settings/config |
| 10:24.47 | xrogaan | update-locale doesn't do anything if you do not pass any arguments |
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| 10:25.55 | scoofy | tried with LANG=en_US.UTF-8. will now reboot |
| 10:26.33 | xrogaan | have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 10:26.43 | scoofy | of course. |
| 10:26.48 | scoofy | that fails, too |
| 10:27.28 | xrogaan | you do log out of your putty session ,right? |
| 10:27.47 | scoofy | sure. i rebooted now |
| 10:28.56 | xrogaan | the locale is straight forward, there should be nothing hidden. I don't know what is wrong with your system. |
| 10:29.12 | scoofy | me neither. i set en_US and locale says en_GB |
| 10:29.22 | scoofy | /etc/default/locale is en_US |
| 10:29.35 | xrogaan | locale -a shows all the locale available on the system |
| 10:30.19 | scoofy | c, c.utf8, posix, en_US.utf8 |
| 10:30.48 | scoofy | i get different env settings when i log in from different computers |
| 10:30.57 | scoofy | from one i get "POSIX" from the other i get "en_GB.UTF8" |
| 10:31.10 | scoofy | both should be en_US.UTF8 |
| 10:32.39 | xrogaan | grep AcceptEnv /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:33.00 | xrogaan | the computer you are using is probably passing the locale to the remote. |
| 10:33.06 | scoofy | that's what i am thinking |
| 10:33.30 | scoofy | hm... seems true. my raspi has en_GB set, that's what devuan is getting when i ssh in |
| 10:33.33 | xrogaan | I don't use putty, I don't know. |
| 10:33.49 | scoofy | happens with ssh too |
| 10:34.13 | scoofy | well, also with putty it doesn't pass the system locale, rather it passes 'posix' |
| 10:34.18 | xrogaan | because ssh reads your /etc/ssh/ssh_config file |
| 10:34.23 | xrogaan | probably has a SendEnv in it |
| 10:34.48 | xrogaan | 'cause putty isn't configured? |
| 10:35.20 | scoofy | man, I only fired up putty so that I can do a copy/paste... because i cannot copy/paste from my raspi |
| 10:35.28 | scoofy | the issue i am having is not with putty, or in putty |
| 10:35.54 | scoofy | so 'grep AcceptEnv /etc/ssh/sshd_config' says: |
| 10:36.08 | scoofy | AcceptEnv LANG LC_* |
| 10:36.36 | xrogaan | the ssh daemon accepts the LANG environment passed by the client. |
| 10:37.05 | scoofy | i guess I need to delete that line. |
| 10:37.25 | xrogaan | https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/openssh-server/sshd_config.5.en.html#AcceptEnv_4 |
| 10:37.26 | xrogaan | no |
| 10:37.31 | xrogaan | maybe |
| 10:38.14 | xrogaan | yeah, do that |
| 10:38.48 | scoofy | after deleting the AcceptEnv line, 'locale' becomes POSIX |
| 10:38.52 | xrogaan | might want to set this one: https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/openssh-server/sshd_config.5.en.html#PermitUserEnvironment_2 |
| 10:39.07 | scoofy | and so, I do not get warning messages as 'posix' is installed |
| 10:39.15 | scoofy | so, that fixed it |
| 10:40.15 | xrogaan | check your remote's .bashrc or .profile |
| 10:41.08 | scoofy | nothing locale-related in it |
| 10:41.12 | xrogaan | your .ssh/environment can be read to set the locale too |
| 10:42.22 | scoofy | okay, so it was an sshd config problem, not a locale setting problem |
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| 10:43.49 | xrogaan | well you system's locale was not en_US |
| 10:43.52 | scoofy | this is the first time i had this, all the previous sshd configs had that disabled |
| 10:44.45 | scoofy | i even had no idea that env vars can be passed along via ssh |
| 10:47.10 | scoofy | so, thanks for the help, these are things that are hard to find in the manuals |
| 10:48.15 | scoofy | also, en_GB was some factory default in the rasbian image i was using to log into the devuan, i never changed it. hence the GB/US mismatch and the warnings. |
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| 10:57.39 | scoofy | the raspberry comes from the Brits, so they use GB in their official images. |
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| 12:38.10 | xrogaan | So that's why :P |
| 12:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh logins and locale settings are a PITA. FUBAR for me on most of my boxes since ca 2 years. And it's pretty obscure how it's supposed to get done right. What seems to happen: ssh propagates the local LC_* settings to the remote server and more often than not the remote doesn't play nice with them |
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| 12:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | this ->> >><xrogaan> the computer you are using is probably passing the locale to the remote.<< |
| 12:41.05 | scoofy | and 'undefindef behaviour' happens. |
| 12:41.09 | djph | DocScrutinizer05: check /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 12:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder which general policy to follow |
| 12:42.16 | djph | IIRC it has options like 'export LC_*' that should be commented out, to make the client behave |
| 12:42.33 | djph | or set the server to NOT accept the client's exports |
| 12:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | which *is* the entity that *knows* the "right" LC_* env values |
| 12:42.47 | djph | .. .err, I'm saying 'export' but it's probably the wrong word. |
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| 12:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually shouldn't it raher be the remote box' user account's config that defines the local terminal's locales? |
| 12:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | from a concept and workflow perspective |
| 12:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end it should be irrelevant from which machine I log in to server Disney user mickeymouse. It's that user mickeymouse that defines the locale DUCKVILLE_duckville andalso stuff like font comic_sans etc |
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| 12:48.48 | scoofy | that's the behaviour i'd most expect |
| 12:49.32 | scoofy | and that results in the least amount of unexpected surprises |
| 12:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I need to forbid ssh client and server to forward LC_* envs and I define those in my server-side login-script, right? |
| 12:53.03 | scoofy | i believe that's right. |
| 12:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the ssh devels had a brainfart enabling env forwarding in a recent release |
| 12:53.23 | scoofy | never had this in the past |
| 12:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
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| 12:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seems you help me out: https://i.imgur.com/eRJEE7l.png |
| 12:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF LC_PAPER |
| 12:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | never even heard of |
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| 12:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and gone those are |
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| 13:02.52 | scoofy | DocScrutinizer05: to make sure your server prints using the same paper size as your local box :P |
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| 13:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | somesuch X-P |
| 13:34.47 | MinceR | should depend on the printer or the document |
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| 14:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or... B-) on the paper used |
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| 17:43.38 | bleb | so under desktop settings theres a place you can pick a solid color |
| 17:43.58 | bleb | but i can't figure out how to make it my background |
| 17:44.14 | bleb | i can only select different wallpaper images |
| 17:44.35 | bleb | selecting a different image changes the background, but im not able to use a solid color instead of an image |
| 17:45.27 | gnarface | bleb: i don't use that window manager, but i think someone said there should be a "none" option in the image selection list, then the solid color will show instead. |
| 17:47.48 | bleb | oh yeah style: none |
| 17:47.53 | bleb | found it thanks |
| 17:49.53 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 21:27.24 | OneManHateGroup | Hi all. |
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| 21:30.26 | OneManHateGroup | I'm having trouble with a netbook that does the liveusb install perfectly. Then on reboot to the hdd it does GRUB ok, starts to load the kernel, and then the screen goes black. I know it's at the login screen beneath the black. It won't let me CTRL+ALT+F1 to another login |
| 21:31.14 | OneManHateGroup | I've read a bunch of articles, but none of them pointed me in the right direction. |
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| 21:49.07 | Syllin | you could try booting by the liveusb and checking /var/log/syslog for the last login attempt? |
| 21:55.00 | OneManHateGroup | That's a good one... lemme try that |
| 21:57.19 | OneManHateGroup | Now the live usb doesn |
| 21:57.21 | OneManHateGroup | t |
| 21:57.35 | OneManHateGroup | want to work the screen eithre |
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| 22:05.11 | OneManHateGroup | It gets all the way up to starting X and then goes blank |
| 22:06.29 | OneManHateGroup | The livesub starts and works with "nomodeset" boot option |
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