| 00:00.34 | specing | rwp: it is only one Gentoo container having all of the servers inside |
| 00:00.55 | specing | the servers share data, so containarising would be difficult |
| 00:01.16 | rwp | Not to denigrate vservers but I think also LXC at the time was seen as a replacement for them. But then LXC became rather in need of attention too. So that may have led to vservers being orphaned and removed. |
| 00:01.45 | gnarface | i think qemu-kvm was coming up around then too |
| 00:01.50 | gnarface | i don't know much about LXC |
| 00:02.01 | gnarface | it might be similar... para-virtualization? |
| 00:02.13 | rwp | I am a huge user of kvm via libvirt. But I'll be the first to admit that is heavy compared to an lxc container. |
| 00:02.51 | rwp | I think vservers, lxc/lxd, docker, and those have more in similar than in difference. |
| 00:02.52 | gnarface | yea kvm is fine if you have hardware level acceleration support and you're not overbooking your RAM banks. otherwise it tends to drag hard. |
| 00:03.13 | rwp | And then xen and kvm are in the heavy full virtualization circle. |
| 00:03.41 | rwp | And simpler than vservers, lxc/lxd, docker are chroots that only have a different file system and nothing more. |
| 00:03.58 | rwp | But chroots are extremely useful and zero overhead so when they are fine then why not. |
| 00:04.53 | rwp | I use a lot of chroots too. |
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| 02:12.37 | Syllin | i think i missed installing some fonts in my install process? anyone have any tips for these unicode boxy characters? https://imgur.com/a/KEqy05n |
| 02:12.53 | Syllin | i'd like them to be their corresponding UTF8 values :) |
| 02:16.15 | gnarface | Syllin: apt-cache search '^ttf-|fonts-' |
| 02:16.57 | Syllin | thanks |
| 02:17.29 | gnarface | Syllin: (if that is terminal output, you'll also need to make sure your terminal itself can also handle unicode characters and note that is not actually a common feature, but i recommend rxvt-unicode-256color) |
| 02:17.56 | Syllin | hm i assumed it had better support these days |
| 02:18.04 | Syllin | i'm using xfce4-terminal juts because thats the first one i found on the system |
| 02:18.08 | Syllin | but i've used xterm before |
| 02:18.17 | Syllin | but yes, terminal output is also derpy |
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| 02:18.58 | Syllin | works in xterm! |
| 02:19.03 | Syllin | without changes from me. interesting |
| 02:20.59 | gnarface | i started using rxvt-unicode-256color (aka. "urxvt") before any of the others actually had the support for it, but i imagine it will slowly make its way into all the terminals eventually |
| 02:25.01 | Syllin | pretty crucial these days if you do any application development |
| 02:25.30 | Syllin | modern developers love putting fancy prompts and TUI loading bars, etc |
| 02:25.40 | gnarface | yea, but you'd be surprised how many people using linux aren't developers |
| 02:26.07 | gnarface | (and you'd probably be horrified at how many of those developers wouldn't know where to start on proper internationalization) |
| 02:46.09 | Syllin | that first thing is a pleasant surprise |
| 02:46.17 | Syllin | glad it has some mainstream usage |
| 02:46.24 | Syllin | can't beat the price |
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| 05:25.39 | redrick | urxvt has struck me as pretty ideal, ever since I gave up on 'If ASCII was good enough for Isaac Newton, it's good enough for me.' The Unicode Xterm in De??an is very not bad, too, but rather larger. |
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| 06:21.35 | xrogaan | Yes. |
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| 06:23.41 | xrogaan | I'm not a developer. I'm a wanker who happens to know how to code. |
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| 15:02.17 | sepisoad | how to list services and stop/start/restart them in devuan(ascii) |
| 15:02.45 | sepisoad | and how to make a service/daemon run at start automatically |
| 15:03.09 | sepisoad | and where can i find devuan documentation on the offical site? |
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| 15:36.34 | pitriss | sepisoad: devuan uses standard sysv init.. so you can list services by listing correct runlevel directory in /etc |
| 15:38.10 | sepisoad | I am trying to figure it out, however I am still confused |
| 15:38.43 | sepisoad | I have installed docker manually (following official docker documentations) on devuan ascii |
| 15:38.58 | pitriss | eg. ls -la /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 15:39.08 | sepisoad | now I want an easy solution to start/stop dockerd(docker daemon) |
| 15:39.56 | sepisoad | pitriss, there are many directories like rc2.d under /etc |
| 15:40.02 | pitriss | Not sure if docker have sysv init script.. But you will find many articles all around the internet about how to create one |
| 15:40.19 | pitriss | Yeah rc<runlevel>.d :) |
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| 15:41.43 | sepisoad | pitriss, what do these mean? |
| 15:42.37 | pitriss | S is service started when system enters to this runlevel, K is shutdown of the service.. All these "files" should be symlinks to the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 16:02.45 | sepisoad | pitriss, thanks |
| 16:02.57 | pitriss | sepisoad: you're welcome |
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| 16:03.22 | sepisoad | BTW, where is devuan official documentation? |
| 16:03.37 | nemo | sepisoad: for like... what? |
| 16:03.47 | nemo | sepisoad: it probably overlaps pretty heavily with debian |
| 16:03.49 | sepisoad | for everything |
| 16:04.05 | nemo | sepisoad: I mean. it's basically just debian with systemd removed, so only point of variation would be service management |
| 16:04.09 | nemo | and whatever else the cancer absorbs |
| 16:05.00 | nemo | sepisoad: and hell, for services you could just use as a reference debian pre-systemd |
| 16:05.12 | nemo | or arch or gentoo or any other init system's documentation |
| 16:05.47 | sepisoad | gentoo and arch have detailed documentations, maybe I should read those instead |
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| 16:12.48 | pitriss | sepisoad: sysv init is really simple and easy to understand.. Thats why I prefer it over systemd which is bloated and do many things but it doesn't do any of these things correct |
| 16:14.01 | nemo | sepisoad: yeah probably. or debian's ⺠|
| 16:14.26 | nemo | sepisoad: I don't think devuan has deviated enough from debian to warrant extensive documentation, but maybe they could crib debian's old sysv documentation for posterity |
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| 17:24.07 | banisterfiend | furrywolf thanks bro |
| 17:24.11 | banisterfiend | works great |
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| 23:46.33 | fsmithred | nemo, https://refracta.org/docs/debian-handbook-wheezy.pdf |
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