| 00:00.18 | tuxd3v | Well, for know I followed fsmithred, advice and just 'cat' from 'skel' path to my home |
| 00:00.35 | tuxd3v | I will let this shell open, just in case I remember something.. |
| 00:00.37 | tuxd3v | :) |
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| 00:17.15 | stiltr | tuxd3v: Not to beat a dead horse, but was there anything interesting in set? I'm mostly curious if it's doing something different on my box than yours. |
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| 00:22.13 | tuxd3v | it depends on what you want, your configs and such.. |
| 00:22.40 | tuxd3v | for example I now remember that I had a HISTSIZE=60000 |
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| 00:23.00 | tuxd3v | by default you only have 2000 lines |
| 00:25.11 | tuxd3v | one simple sulution woulçd be to set a git server in my NAS server, and commit every half-day or so |
| 00:25.19 | tuxd3v | er, would |
| 00:26.03 | stiltr | I'm not sure I follow. What I'm saying is that everything I have in my .bashrc can be found in the output of set. |
| 00:26.51 | stiltr | Sure, a git repo for configs isn't an uncommon solution. |
| 00:31.43 | tuxd3v | I will save set output, since its big, and then will diff it with the one in new session.. |
| 00:32.09 | tuxd3v | <stiltr>, nice hint |
| 00:32.11 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 00:35.11 | stiltr | Hope it help! |
| 00:36.22 | Hurgotron | stiltr: good hint. Why didn't I think of it... I should go to bed, I guess. |
| 00:37.32 | stiltr | Thanks! = ) |
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| 00:44.00 | tuxd3v | Thanks to fsmithred, _abc_, Hurgotron, stiltr, gnarface for the help on this.. great community! thanks again! |
| 00:44.28 | gnarface | i didn't help much but you're welcome |
| 00:46.48 | stiltr | : ) |
| 00:47.06 | tuxd3v | everyone of you helped a lot, I already recovered some things |
| 00:47.31 | tuxd3v | the rest will be 'like the first time' |
| 00:47.52 | tuxd3v | lessons learned..whats the first thing to configure? right backups.. |
| 00:47.55 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 00:48.10 | gnarface | haha yep |
| 00:54.39 | stiltr | feels the need to start a backup immediately |
| 00:55.32 | fsmithred | is staring at the empty 2T external hard drive on the desk |
| 01:05.30 | stiltr | wonders if fsmithred is looking over his shoulder |
| 01:06.45 | fsmithred | I'm figuring out how to create a torrent |
| 01:07.58 | stiltr | Cool |
| 01:09.09 | fsmithred | ok, I made the torrent file, now what? |
| 01:10.26 | stiltr | Presumably, upload it to a tracker. |
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| 01:15.51 | buZz | get all yr buddy to download and seed it |
| 01:15.54 | buZz | buddies* |
| 01:17.19 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.25 | fsmithred | I can just send them the torrent file? |
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| 01:22.04 | buZz | yes |
| 01:22.09 | buZz | just the .torrent is fine |
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| 01:22.30 | buZz | you could also send them the full file, so they can start seeding directly, but there's no need specifically |
| 01:22.38 | stiltr | I've only used a tracker, but I believe with DHT, the .torrent file will be enough. |
| 01:22.38 | fsmithred | it's 3.2GB |
| 01:22.52 | fsmithred | and it's already on a server |
| 01:23.20 | buZz | with DHT, you can even just give the infohash :P |
| 01:23.29 | buZz | and it'll figure everything else out |
| 01:23.31 | buZz | its pretty cool |
| 01:23.36 | stiltr | Oh, nice! |
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| 02:34.11 | fsmithred | would somebody like to test a torrent file and tell me if it works? |
| 02:39.51 | va7lnx | what kind of torrent file? |
| 02:40.03 | fsmithred | it's for a usb-hdd image |
| 02:40.13 | va7lnx | ah. you just want to see if I can download it? |
| 02:40.18 | fsmithred | multi-boot all the devuan live isos |
| 02:40.18 | va7lnx | or actually run it? |
| 02:40.19 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 02:40.20 | fsmithred | no |
| 02:40.21 | va7lnx | okay |
| 02:40.23 | fsmithred | just download |
| 02:40.38 | fsmithred | I'll pm you a temporary link to it |
| 02:40.52 | va7lnx | kk |
| 02:41.38 | fsmithred | thanks |
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| 03:25.02 | average | fsmithred: you can test it yourself.. |
| 03:25.07 | average | but anyways .. |
| 03:25.24 | fsmithred | it's working |
| 03:25.27 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/dev1usb/dev1usb.torrent |
| 03:25.28 | average | gr8 |
| 03:26.02 | fsmithred | I don't understand why I'm not seeding |
| 03:26.42 | fsmithred | if I pause and resume, I get a connection for a few seconds, and then it disappears |
| 03:27.03 | fsmithred | oh, three now |
| 03:27.28 | fsmithred | ok, I'm seeding one now |
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| 03:41.37 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, it his working nice for me |
| 03:41.38 | tuxd3v | :) |
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| 04:55.50 | gour | morning |
| 04:58.00 | gour | i just submitted bug report using 'reportbug' and mailing it via my mailer (claws), but similarly to the last time, i do not see report, although i've found same problem - pulseaudio not starting (with the same solution) in the tracker, so just wondering what is going on with devuan's bug tracker? |
| 04:58.31 | furrywolf | I couldn't get reportbug to report a bug to debian due to mailer issues. reportbug seems... buggy. |
| 05:01.36 | gour | :-) |
| 05:02.13 | gour | well, i just wonder how people report bug to devuan then? my report was sent to Devuan Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.devuan.org> |
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| 05:16.24 | gour | otoh the original report for the same problem which encountered was submitted on Dec 29th, fix was posted on Jan 29th, but still not applied :-( |
| 05:16.45 | gour | https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=276 |
| 05:21.13 | golinux | Use email directly to report bugs to bugs.devuan.org |
| 05:21.57 | golinux | There are instructions on the site. Don't use reportbug |
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| 06:05.09 | gour | golinux: i used reportbug just to compile report, it was sent to the correct address containing required fields in the body etc., but can't find it |
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| 06:17.28 | gour | ahh, now i see it |
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| 09:23.08 | Evilham | gour: it does take a bit to show up |
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| 09:33.51 | gour | Evilham: ok, got it ;) |
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| 20:55.49 | _abc_ | Hi. fsmithred ? I did some work on the unclean shutdown issue. Still working on wheezy but it's the same generation as ascii in the scripts. I have a solution. Are you here? |
| 21:06.16 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I will go soon, if you read this: edit the /etc/init.d/halt in your persistence volume to use this final action instead of poweroff or whatever: shutdown -h -n now ;; this does the crucial umount of all volumes even if it is a forced one. The outcome is, both the sdb1 and sdb2 respectively vfat and ext2 made with r2u are found to be cleanly umounted after reboot. |
| 21:06.33 | _abc_ | fsmithred: the next step is to add fsck to the persistence mount phase at boot time, in the initrd. |
| 21:06.38 | _abc_ | I will do that on Sunday. |
| 21:07.53 | _abc_ | fsmithred: it is not clear if the cretins from the systemd camp are responsible for this failure too, apparently halt relies on things which happen in the background to umount the disks, does not do that itself, as shutdown does. |
| 21:08.37 | _abc_ | The way I remember it, it used to halt and poweroff cleanly in slackware days, including from live media. This was in the early 2000s |
| 21:08.46 | _abc_ | </end of communication> |
| 21:10.14 | fsmithred | _abc_, I tested the script you sent me awhile ago, and it seems to be working |
| 21:11.16 | _abc_ | good |
| 21:11.29 | _abc_ | See above about unclean umounts on live fs's. |
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| 21:12.39 | fsmithred | I'm getting clean shutdowns on reboot and halt |
| 21:12.43 | fsmithred | testing in beowulf |
| 21:13.48 | _abc_ | Maybe something changed. I don't know. I have to do this to get ascii to shutdown clean after live+persistence session: in /etc/init.d/halt: |
| 21:13.52 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.52 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.52 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.52 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.52 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.54 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.57 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.59 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.02 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.04 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.07 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.09 | _abc_ | Sorry oops. |
| 21:14.12 | _abc_ | That was supposed to be a pastebin link. |
| 21:14.38 | fsmithred | you got lucky |
| 21:14.41 | _abc_ | Would be interesting to know if there is a change in the /sbin/halt source from ascii to beowulf |
| 21:14.43 | fsmithred | you're still here |
| 21:14.46 | _abc_ | Hm? |
| 21:14.58 | fsmithred | multiple lines can get you auto-bounced |
| 21:15.11 | _abc_ | Harsh. |
| 21:15.22 | fsmithred | oh, not as harsh as the alternative |
| 21:15.35 | fsmithred | spammers were pretty bad for awhile |
| 21:15.46 | _abc_ | kickban! Undernet style. By continent prefix :) I know, I remember those times. |
| 21:15.47 | fsmithred | I think I still have a wheezy here |
| 21:16.10 | fsmithred | so I can check /sbin/halt on wheezy, jessie, ascii and beowulf |
| 21:16.25 | fsmithred | will you be around later today/tonight? |
| 21:16.28 | _abc_ | I am tinkering with wheezy because the nice people at linuxcnc.org released their live edition on wheezy live. That's what I then wedged into a stick with r2u alongside devuan ascii and other things. |
| 21:16.50 | _abc_ | I'll be around, just remember my TZ is like 10 hours ahead of you. I need to sleep now and then :) |
| 21:17.03 | fsmithred | 10?? |
| 21:17.05 | _abc_ | It's 00:18 hours here. |
| 21:17.09 | _abc_ | Maybe 8 |
| 21:17.23 | fsmithred | after 5pm here now |
| 21:17.27 | koollman | need to sleep ? what's that? ;) |
| 21:17.56 | _abc_ | Oi, I got to be over 50yo and my brains still work. It's worth taking care of it after all this :) |
| 21:17.59 | fsmithred | If you go get 5-6 hours of sleep, I can greet you at your morning coffee |
| 21:18.33 | _abc_ | It's more like 8 I need, and weekend, but I'll work on something else tomorrow in "my" daytime. |
| 21:18.50 | _abc_ | fsmithred: what do you plan to do? |
| 21:18.50 | koollman | damn. I don't think my brains will still work when I'm 50yo |
| 21:19.04 | fsmithred | compare four versions of /sbin/halt |
| 21:19.37 | _abc_ | fsmithred: ok, what package is it in? I'm looking at the one in ascii, don't know the version on the one in wheezy. |
| 21:19.43 | fsmithred | koollman, take good care of your brain - the rest is no good without it |
| 21:19.49 | _abc_ | Looking a bit for debian versions online. |
| 21:20.29 | fsmithred | checking apt-file |
| 21:20.49 | fsmithred | syvinit-core |
| 21:20.58 | fsmithred | also in systemd-sysv, but we don't have that |
| 21:21.36 | _abc_ | I told you I suspect something is amiss related to systemd having their own halt/poweroff now |
| 21:21.53 | _abc_ | They probably ripped something out of the normal halt on the way, and it no longer umounts. |
| 21:22.18 | fsmithred | they really should just fork off of gnu/linux and call it something else |
| 21:22.23 | _abc_ | ack |
| 21:23.20 | fsmithred | better yet, they should get over the whole concept of brand identity |
| 21:23.39 | _abc_ | wheezy scrolled out of the package system, but wheezy is systemd free (or was) since old. |
| 21:23.48 | _abc_ | I wonder what the hell is going on for real. |
| 21:24.28 | fsmithred | redhat increases complexity to get more service contracts |
| 21:24.30 | _abc_ | how does one list the package version, as installed |
| 21:24.41 | fsmithred | dpkg -l <package> |
| 21:24.42 | koollman | dpkg -l ? |
| 21:24.51 | fsmithred | or pipe it to grep <pattern> |
| 21:25.00 | fsmithred | I like the display better that way |
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| 21:25.11 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I read some pieces about how people are allowed to write free software while employed, ip laws, and such. I do not like what I came up with. Will write it up as a 2 page essay some day soon. |
| 21:25.38 | _abc_ | ascii running here has sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9 i386 |
| 21:25.44 | _abc_ | what do you have on beowulf? |
| 21:26.48 | fsmithred | 2.93-8+devuan1 |
| 21:26.57 | _abc_ | fsmithred: can you look in your beowulf, the end of the relevant function in /etc/init.d/halt at the halt call, does it resemble what I pasted above? |
| 21:27.24 | fsmithred | 2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 in ascii |
| 21:27.35 | _abc_ | As I said |
| 21:27.54 | fsmithred | hang on, I'm going to diff all the versions |
| 21:28.03 | _abc_ | the script, halt, does it resemble exactly what I pasted at "halt" above? |
| 21:28.13 | fsmithred | I will check |
| 21:28.14 | _abc_ | halt -d -f $netdown $poweroff $hddown ? |
| 21:30.41 | fsmithred | no, it looks like this: @^@<C4>^B^@^@^@^ |
| 21:30.47 | _abc_ | ?? |
| 21:31.04 | fsmithred | where is the script? if it's /sbin/halt, it's not a script |
| 21:31.12 | _abc_ | You're looking at a binary? Kidding? :) |
| 21:31.23 | _abc_ | fsmithred: /etc/init.d/halt |
| 21:31.28 | fsmithred | oh |
| 21:32.07 | _abc_ | near: |
| 21:32.09 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.09 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.20 | _abc_ | ^^ that's from ascii and is identical with wheezy's |
| 21:32.51 | fsmithred | yes, same |
| 21:33.12 | _abc_ | So there has got to be a change in the binary or in something else which runs upstream of this |
| 21:33.35 | _abc_ | With live and persistence, the persistence volume is remounted ro in /lib/live/boot-init.sh |
| 21:33.57 | _abc_ | which is called from /etc/rc0.d/K11live via /etc/init.d/live |
| 21:34.12 | _abc_ | This works in wheezy and in ascii, no questions asked. |
| 21:34.39 | _abc_ | iow the media and the persistence volumes are mounted ro by the time init.d/halt runs |
| 21:34.59 | _abc_ | Yet they end up unclean with ascii and wheezy, and you say clean on beowulf? |
| 21:35.14 | fsmithred | only with your script |
| 21:35.31 | _abc_ | Remind me which one please? I've pasted several these days. |
| 21:35.40 | fsmithred | better_live_shutdown |
| 21:36.25 | fsmithred | June 13 |
| 21:36.40 | _abc_ | oh that one |
| 21:37.29 | _abc_ | Hmm I really don't remember that one. |
| 21:37.47 | _abc_ | And can't see it in that form on the disk. Can you paste it or a link? |
| 21:38.04 | _abc_ | I retract the part about the brains still working... |
| 21:38.56 | fsmithred | one minute |
| 21:39.42 | fsmithred | https://termbin.com/1rrs |
| 21:40.38 | gnarface | _abc_: i think your observations matched mine. intermittent failure to wait long enough for proper umounting... started in jessie or later iirc. someone in #debian told me it was not directly related to systemd compatibility, but rather just related to their developers getting impatient and not giving a shit about unclean shutdowns (because they were developing entirely on disposable VMs) |
| 21:41.15 | _abc_ | gnarface: I feel vindicated |
| 21:41.20 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I got the link, looking |
| 21:41.37 | fsmithred | wow |
| 21:41.47 | fsmithred | I can believe it. Too bad. |
| 21:41.56 | _abc_ | Need to search a backup volume I changed systems since then fsmithred. Takes a while. |
| 21:42.07 | fsmithred | goes along with the sentiment that we're all using solid-state drives |
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| 21:42.34 | koollman | that's ... sad |
| 21:42.36 | _abc_ | Well I am still on spinning rust. Which is actually Cobalt-Nickel but spinning rust sounds great. |
| 21:42.54 | gnarface | what i've been doing is just running this before i reboot: sync && sync && sync |
| 21:43.02 | koollman | maybe I will have to do multiple checks for shutdowns/poweroffs on my backup servers. They cannot stop quickly |
| 21:43.11 | Evilham | On that note, climbingturtle reminded me of that LVM + LUKS bug where shutting down / rebooting takes forever |
| 21:43.30 | _abc_ | gnarface: old init scripts used to do something like sync; sleep 5; sync; sleep 3; sync; |
| 21:43.31 | fsmithred | yeah, that's a pain |
| 21:43.38 | _abc_ | gnarface: with killall -9 in between |
| 21:43.45 | Evilham | I think I have a patch somewhere that has tobe tested |
| 21:43.51 | fsmithred | Evilham, there are patches for that, but I guess you'll lose it on upgrade |
| 21:44.01 | fsmithred | actually, there are two changes to be made |
| 21:44.08 | Evilham | Yup |
| 21:44.16 | fsmithred | one for shutting down lvm and one for shutting down an encrypted volume |
| 21:44.19 | _abc_ | There should be a new repo in devuan "patches against systemd collateral breakage" |
| 21:44.22 | _abc_ | as .debs |
| 21:44.33 | fsmithred | we sorta started something like that |
| 21:44.38 | fsmithred | devuan-sanity package |
| 21:44.44 | _abc_ | Something like that. |
| 21:44.45 | gnarface | i can think of another fix to go in it |
| 21:44.50 | Evilham | Anyway, \o nighty |
| 21:44.54 | fsmithred | g'night |
| 21:44.56 | _abc_ | bye |
| 21:45.08 | fsmithred | what's the third fix? |
| 21:46.01 | gnarface | oh, well i discovered this unclean shutdown problem coincidentally with another "improvement" (regression) in the /sbin/fsck.reiserfs script, which should simply be deleted and replaced with the symlink to /sbin/reiserfsck that was previously there |
| 21:46.29 | gnarface | i've mentioned it before |
| 21:46.39 | fsmithred | the kids wrote a "better" script? |
| 21:47.05 | gnarface | without testing the existing functionality, they wrote a script to "properly handle -y, which systemd passes by default to all scripts" |
| 21:47.13 | gnarface | which unfortunately the script doesn't actually do |
| 21:47.16 | gnarface | and the binary already did |
| 21:47.19 | gnarface | so it's obvious sabotage |
| 21:47.36 | fsmithred | I need some food. Back in a few minutes. |
| 21:47.39 | gnarface | but if you bring it up you get accused of murdering han's wife |
| 21:47.43 | fsmithred | sabotage or ignorance |
| 21:47.46 | gnarface | hans's |
| 21:47.51 | fsmithred | deliberate ignorance |
| 21:48.26 | fsmithred | oy |
| 21:48.50 | fsmithred | really, don't talk about anything not nice |
| 21:48.55 | fsmithred | brb |
| 21:49.48 | gnarface | reiserfsck will simply ignore "-y" and always has, because that its it's default behavior. the wrapper script they replaced it with simply chokes and fails, despite the claim that it was put there because reiserfsck wouldn't handle "-y" correctly (at best an untested and harmful assumption) |
| 21:50.55 | gnarface | the two of those bugs combined will hose your filesystem on reboot if you were unlucky enough to be using reiserfs, whether you were smart enough to avoid installing systemd or not |
| 21:51.07 | _abc_ | fsmithred: re-reading the notes and the script, the script achieves the same goal as today's edit in /etc/init.d/halt roughly |
| 21:51.34 | _abc_ | gnarface: oh I did not know fsck.reiser ignores -y |
| 21:51.40 | _abc_ | I still have reiser somewhere. |
| 21:51.53 | gnarface | _abc_: it's *supposed* to ignore -y but what it actually does is error out |
| 21:52.22 | gnarface | _abc_: reiserfsck however does ignore -y, which if they'd tested that, they'd have realized they didn't need to write a wrapper script at all |
| 21:52.55 | gnarface | (i hold onto my suspicion that they *did* test it and pushed the change forward on purpose anyway) |
| 21:55.47 | gnarface | anyway it's an easy thing to fix but it falls into the category of "debian upstream will definitely persistently continue to overwrite this fix with their vandalized wrapper script" |
| 21:56.51 | gnarface | they did some similar garbage to xfs but in that case there's a semi-legitimate excuse |
| 22:01.04 | _abc_ | How does one list the real-root in mounts if it is not shown? I think my rootfs is reiser |
| 22:01.17 | _abc_ | Why is it not in /proc/mounts at all!? |
| 22:02.00 | _abc_ | Who is coming up with these cretin ideas breaking fundamental stuff like / mount being in mounts?! |
| 22:02.22 | gnarface | i'm not sure about that... are you running without a fstab too? |
| 22:02.35 | _abc_ | of course not. I have mtab and fstab and so on |
| 22:03.13 | gnarface | how does the output of "mount" compare to the contents of your /proc/mounts file? |
| 22:03.16 | _abc_ | this is ascii, unmodified, installed to hdd from live media using r2u or such |
| 22:03.58 | _abc_ | gnarface: they are identical |
| 22:04.07 | _abc_ | And root is missing from both |
| 22:04.14 | gnarface | weird |
| 22:04.20 | _abc_ | Tell me about it. |
| 22:04.22 | _abc_ | Just a second |
| 22:05.47 | _abc_ | Wow, I really have too much stuff on my disks. |
| 22:06.16 | _abc_ | Just finished finding the script fsmithred pasted, it is called something else here... shutdown-script.sh . I linked it to the "new" (old) name so I can find it easily. |
| 22:06.54 | _abc_ | Back to root mount. |
| 22:07.19 | _abc_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/152029/why-is-there-no-rootfs-file-system-present-on-my-system relevant |
| 22:07.31 | _abc_ | Comments? Do you see / mounted in your mount output? |
| 22:07.55 | _abc_ | And indeed I get a mount in df |
| 22:08.03 | _abc_ | for / |
| 22:08.46 | fsmithred | nope. It's not in mount output. |
| 22:08.54 | fsmithred | I'm looking in jessie now |
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| 22:09.47 | _abc_ | I sugest we organize a trip to a deserted island for all developers and ensure only those who do not break POSIX return... |
| 22:09.54 | _abc_ | I am really pissed at these things. |
| 22:10.25 | koollman | easy trip to plan. just need one-way tickets for everyone ;) |
| 22:16.01 | _abc_ | ok, now it is in /proc/mounts |
| 22:16.06 | _abc_ | What did I do?! |
| 22:16.18 | gnarface | lemme know if you figure it out |
| 22:16.28 | _abc_ | And I am relieved no more reiser here. I was on reiser for 10 years on an etch system |
| 22:16.42 | _abc_ | gnarface: I assume symlink vs file copy? |
| 22:16.51 | gnarface | oh, maybe |
| 22:17.37 | gnarface | yea, probably that |
| 22:17.42 | _abc_ | Btw sad about Reiser, the man. There seems to be a spate of bad luck for developers in USA lately? Look what happened to the Debian founder too. |
| 22:18.06 | _abc_ | Lately, in the last few years. |
| 22:18.15 | gnarface | it shouldn't even matter here, is the thing. the filesystem didn't kill anyone. |
| 22:18.48 | _abc_ | It would have benefited from a few fixups, perhaps from the original author? Even if in jail. The poor man could use some activity for sure. |
| 22:18.50 | gnarface | the same can't be said for the rocket models every nation's space program are based on |
| 22:19.05 | _abc_ | hm? |
| 22:19.18 | gnarface | nevermind, we're dangerously close to going offtopic |
| 22:19.55 | gnarface | the important part is that we CAN prove that reiserfs is innocent |
| 22:20.07 | _abc_ | 1:20AM here. Will drop out in 10. |
| 22:20.08 | gnarface | and that it has been framed |
| 22:20.15 | _abc_ | fsmithred: what else did you want to do? |
| 22:20.30 | gnarface | and the same can't be said for ext4 |
| 22:20.44 | _abc_ | gnarface: I don't know about that. It's clear he developed a "Russian mail wife" problem. The rest is details. |
| 22:21.14 | gnarface | _abc_: re-read previous statement. i typed "reiserfs" |
| 22:21.25 | _abc_ | Ah ok |
| 22:21.37 | _abc_ | I should have written mail-order |
| 22:21.46 | golinux | <gnarface> nevermind, we're dangerously close to going offtopic |
| 22:21.54 | _abc_ | true |
| 22:21.54 | golinux | This ^^^ |
| 22:21.58 | gnarface | everything that this sabotaged wrapper script has ever caused reiserfs to do to me, ext4 has done all on it's own. |
| 22:22.13 | _abc_ | Ah ext4 is worse, you say? |
| 22:22.49 | gnarface | i can't say whether it's worse right now, but when it first appeared as an installation option in debian and raspbian, it was definitely worse then. |
| 22:22.58 | _abc_ | I am quite conservative, and I run old hw. So I am very slow to adopt new things. I let others be the guinea pigs, sort of. My motto is, the early bird gets eaten. One of my mottos. |
| 22:23.18 | gnarface | yea, ext4 was pushed into service prematurely, the tools just weren't reliable enough |
| 22:23.27 | _abc_ | Makes sense. |
| 22:24.06 | fsmithred | _abc_, get some sleep. I'll diff /etc/init.d/halt |
| 22:24.11 | gnarface | and i never really had any problems with ext3, it was just slower than reiserfs, that's all. |
| 22:24.26 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I think you said it's the same. Only that last command matters. |
| 22:24.37 | gnarface | but with improved sane defaults, xfs is much more viable now than it was then too |
| 22:24.52 | _abc_ | My laptop I am using with ascii is so slow the ext2 rootfs does not matter :) |
| 22:25.08 | _abc_ | Ok, we'll pick up the discussion some other day, thanks and bye |
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