| 00:12.37 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 00:13.19 | *** join/#devuan Bjornn (~Bjornn@2604:6000:1503:598:0:3381:f53:861f) |
| 00:18.24 | *** join/#devuan KnoP (~andreas@p57B19B3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:18.24 | *** join/#devuan Jasjar (Jasjar@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar) |
| 00:27.39 | *** join/#devuan targz (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/targz) |
| 00:32.05 | *** join/#devuan Jasjar (Jasjar@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar) |
| 00:43.40 | *** join/#devuan petris (~quassel@li-docker.host.petris.net) |
| 01:03.09 | *** join/#devuan Stacker (~stacker@gateway/tor-sasl/b616) |
| 01:19.34 | *** join/#devuan gfwbreaker (~gfwbreake@ip230.ip-51-68-193.eu) |
| 01:23.38 | *** join/#devuan petris (~quassel@li-docker.host.petris.net) |
| 01:47.13 | ashleyk_ | is there a metapackage that installs things like 'man', or do i just install man all by its lonesome... |
| 01:47.49 | ashleyk_ | seems like i should be installing something even more useful |
| 01:52.05 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi-Tao (~Zhuangzi-@97.102.134.54) |
| 01:52.10 | gnarface | info? |
| 01:55.09 | ashleyk_ | i installed that too, thanks... |
| 01:55.09 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi-Tao (~Zhuangzi-@unaffiliated/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 01:59.00 | gnarface | be sure to look in /usr/share/doc/[package name] for additional documentation, many packages have stuff in there too |
| 01:59.07 | gnarface | (stuff other than the licenses) |
| 02:04.35 | *** join/#devuan alexandros_c (~quassel@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 02:09.17 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi (~ChuangTzu@gateway/tor-sasl/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 02:10.39 | *** join/#devuan rick8024 (~andreas@p4FF5653A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:32.35 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@2a00:79c0:66e:3500:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d) |
| 02:42.14 | *** join/#devuan watchcat (~wc@kite.riseup.net) |
| 02:59.34 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi (~ChuangTzu@gateway/tor-sasl/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 03:27.41 | ashleyk_ | gnarface, right, i was just suprised it wasnt installed, like i missed something basic |
| 03:34.32 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 03:36.52 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 03:39.05 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 03:42.24 | *** join/#devuan epony (~epony@unaffiliated/epony) |
| 04:15.12 | *** join/#devuan gnu_srs1 (~srs@2-248-159-26-no549.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 04:27.00 | Myst_is_back | is there a devuan version of a frenas or mediabox like systemD free |
| 04:37.59 | *** join/#devuan Bjornn (~Bjornn@2604:6000:1503:598:0:3381:f53:861f) |
| 04:51.33 | ashleyk_ | Myst_is_back, hola |
| 05:07.00 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 06:10.32 | *** join/#devuan proteusguy (~proteusgu@202.58.193.235) |
| 06:19.10 | *** join/#devuan se7en (se7en@2001:67c:2db8:301::100:1003) |
| 06:29.48 | *** join/#devuan guido_g (~guido_g@ip1f103f9c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 06:34.16 | *** join/#devuan watchcat (~wc@kite.riseup.net) |
| 06:56.29 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@91.253.173.55) |
| 07:14.35 | *** join/#devuan gour (~gour@unaffiliated/gour) |
| 07:27.35 | *** join/#devuan drmbls (~drmbls@78-56-83-14.static.zebra.lt) |
| 07:48.53 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo3 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 07:51.44 | *** join/#devuan rsx (~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 07:54.26 | *** join/#devuan amesser (~amesser@p200300E3574C740062F536E98A02CF45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:58.52 | *** join/#devuan ejr (~no@91.141.3.150.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 08:00.44 | ejr | hi. i am running ceres. for a while now when running dist-upgrade, apt wants to remove init and sysvinit-core with a big warning about whether i am sure i want to do that. I do not, obviously, since I do not know whether my system will still boot after that upgrade. is this risky upgrade intentional though? should i wait for a few weeks until the dist-upgrade might be less risky? |
| 08:04.23 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo3 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 08:04.43 | *** join/#devuan chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-69-11-98.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:33.00 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 09:00.50 | Evilham | ejr: you likely want to wait it a bit, what does apt upgrade say? |
| 09:13.12 | *** join/#devuan beowulf_ (~beowulf@5.91.36.31) |
| 09:13.30 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo2 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 09:14.18 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~AntoFox@5.91.36.31) |
| 09:22.29 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo4 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 09:31.10 | *** join/#devuan amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp121-45-107-40.bras2.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 09:35.34 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 09:41.43 | *** join/#devuan eliasr (uid27497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qojlztfggghockia) |
| 10:01.53 | *** join/#devuan romo (~romo@unaffiliated/romo) |
| 10:26.47 | *** join/#devuan flrn (~flrn@unaffiliated/flrn) |
| 10:32.39 | *** join/#devuan flrn (~flrn@unaffiliated/flrn) |
| 10:33.15 | *** join/#devuan proteusguy (~proteusgu@202.58.193.235) |
| 10:34.41 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~sb35@68.168.122.242) |
| 10:52.29 | *** join/#devuan Stacker (~stacker@gateway/tor-sasl/b616) |
| 10:54.15 | *** join/#devuan jiefk (~nikel@163.172.80.84) |
| 11:12.12 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~AntoFox@5.91.36.31) |
| 11:15.20 | *** join/#devuan clemens3_ (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:32.46 | fsmithred | I need a reality check: If I have a directory that contains a few text files and a few deb packages, and I either zip it or tar it with compression (tried xz and gzip so far), the final compressed archive should be smaller than the source directory, shouldn't it? |
| 11:33.04 | fsmithred | why the fuck does it come out the same size? |
| 11:36.25 | sixwheeledbeast | Stuff that is already compressed will not be reduced in size. A text file is hardly noticeable and .debs are already "compressed" |
| 11:36.39 | Hurgotron | Try to compress them separately. - Only idea I have is that the compression algorithm notices already compressed stuff and switches off |
| 11:37.12 | Hurgotron | sixwheeledbeast: still should be a few bytes difference at least |
| 11:38.09 | fsmithred | yeah, in one attempt, the compressed archive was a few bytes bigger |
| 11:39.46 | fsmithred | oh, there are more debs than I thought |
| 11:40.27 | fsmithred | I can leave them out. Thanks. |
| 11:40.56 | sixwheeledbeast | slightly larger is typical if you compress a file that cannot be compressed. |
| 11:45.27 | fsmithred | makes sense that there's a little overhead |
| 12:01.53 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@37.227.242.0) |
| 12:01.56 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
| 12:08.30 | *** join/#devuan Levure (~quassel@91.179.234.244) |
| 12:18.34 | *** join/#devuan Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:777::8642) |
| 12:22.28 | *** join/#devuan xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 12:22.57 | *** join/#devuan Tom-_ (tomg@98-159-244-249.agas1a-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 12:26.27 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 12:26.54 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~AntoFox@5.91.36.31) |
| 12:49.05 | *** join/#devuan sokan (~sokan@unaffiliated/totaloblivion) |
| 12:52.02 | gour | i changed my grub's desktop bg via grub-customizer app and due to incompatibilites of gnucash's ascii version - it should be at least 2.6.19 to be able to read 3.4/3.5 files, for some time i'm going to stay on ceres keeping notice of listbugs & listchanges output |
| 12:53.31 | sixwheeledbeast | I didn't know 2.6.x was backwards compatible with 3.x |
| 12:53.47 | gour | for now i've very nice desktop setup requiring just minor cosmetic changes - adding some plugin, tweaking panel items, re-arranging etc., but everything else is fully functioal, afaict...the only missing thing to is it resume/acquire some admin skills by taking advantage of debian/devuan tools |
| 12:54.08 | gour | sixwheeledbeast: i got reply on the user-list that 2.6.19 can read 3.x files |
| 12:55.24 | sixwheeledbeast | ok they would know better than me. i suppose 3 is running in parallel development |
| 13:04.04 | *** join/#devuan petzi (~petzi@p54BB72C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:04.32 | *** join/#devuan climbingturtle (~climbingt@c83-252-114-149.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 13:08.02 | *** join/#devuan p3tzi (~petzi@tmo-109-132.customers.d1-online.com) |
| 13:09.51 | *** join/#devuan O01eg (~o01eg@2a02:2698:822:2c9b:36e9:df55:3744:efeb) |
| 13:15.18 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
| 13:22.09 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo1 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 13:33.27 | *** join/#devuan Burek (~Burek@unaffiliated/burekzfinezt) |
| 13:50.27 | *** join/#devuan mirda (~mirdaf@128.0.185.74) |
| 13:59.02 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~sb35@184.75.215.6) |
| 14:02.42 | *** join/#devuan engidea (~damiano@151.61.110.253) |
| 14:06.30 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo2 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 14:17.25 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~AntoFox@5.91.36.31) |
| 14:26.31 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 14:48.45 | *** join/#devuan petzi (~petzi@p54BB789F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:55.36 | gour | ahh, forgot...there is one remaining issue - installing of wine |
| 15:07.40 | *** join/#devuan Tom-_ (tomg@98-159-244-249.agas1a-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 15:14.20 | *** join/#devuan zeden (~user@unaffiliated/zeden) |
| 15:15.00 | *** join/#devuan Levure (~quassel@91.179.234.244) |
| 15:23.15 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 15:23.50 | *** join/#devuan thuu (~thuu@2a0a:e5c0:2:12:0:f0ff:fea9:c42e) |
| 15:25.11 | gour | both devuan (debian) and winehq pkgs seems to be broken for ceres... |
| 15:25.57 | ashleyk_ | gour, broken? |
| 15:26.09 | *** join/#devuan Uberius (~Uberius@gateway/tor-sasl/uberius) |
| 15:26.23 | gour | ashleyk_: well, broken deps which are not possible to satisfy |
| 15:26.34 | *** join/#devuan Uberius (~Uberius@gateway/tor-sasl/uberius) |
| 15:26.37 | ashleyk_ | hmm i always built wine from source |
| 15:26.47 | ashleyk_ | so i dont know anything! |
| 15:27.12 | gour | e.g. https://pastebin.com/qhYTcbeu |
| 15:27.35 | gour | heh, building from src would remind me on my old gentoo days :-) |
| 15:28.01 | ashleyk_ | hmm those errors dont seem that bad |
| 15:29.24 | gour | when i start to add to the list it gets worse |
| 15:29.53 | ashleyk_ | try |
| 15:30.00 | ashleyk_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 15:30.16 | ashleyk_ | i dont see why the uuid would be an issue...for one... |
| 15:30.43 | ashleyk_ | is it because you put :i386? i dont knmow... |
| 15:30.59 | ashleyk_ | could be |
| 15:31.52 | gour | otoh, i have several pkgs which not upgradeable, e.g. dash whose update would cause bunch of ther pkgs to be removed |
| 15:38.15 | ashleyk_ | oh well you are using beta distro... |
| 15:38.18 | ashleyk_ | release |
| 15:40.57 | gour | yeah, migrated from manjaro where i used higher version of some apps (e.g. gnucash) and the ascii versions are too low causing problems in reading newer data |
| 15:44.07 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~furrywolf@172.58.35.127) |
| 15:52.49 | gour | with the official release of buster/beowulf, i'll strongly consider to switch to stable 'branch' |
| 15:53.53 | gour | now, have no idea how to simply downgrade my data or whether using gnucash from beowulf on ascii would be a good idea? |
| 15:54.48 | gour | in any case, not having as much time as when I was heating the atmosphere by daily usage of gentoo, i'm leaning more and more towards 'stable' |
| 15:56.54 | ashleyk_ | @_@ |
| 16:03.04 | *** join/#devuan cyteen (~cyteen@135.209.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 16:14.16 | fsmithred | what package has version 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1??? |
| 16:14.26 | fsmithred | not libuuid1 or uuid-runtime |
| 16:15.09 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~sb35@184.75.215.10) |
| 16:16.34 | *** join/#devuan thuu (~thuu@2a0a:e5c0:2:12:0:f0ff:fea9:c42e) |
| 16:16.52 | fsmithred | gour, libuuid1 recommends uuid-runtime so maybe try installing without recommends |
| 16:17.10 | fsmithred | apt-get --no-install-recommends install [packages] |
| 16:25.10 | gour | fsmithred: i arrive at this: https://pastebin.com/PsGDWmaV |
| 16:25.44 | gour | "gordian knot" |
| 16:27.18 | ashleyk_ | gourdian |
| 16:27.31 | gour | lastim time when running debian sid i had similar problem, but then i was able to resolve it with wine pkgs from winehq. now even those do not work and i have a need for a few apps running under wine |
| 16:27.34 | gour | :-) |
| 16:27.56 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo4 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 16:33.48 | fsmithred | I don't understand where the 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1 - I can't find it |
| 16:33.58 | fsmithred | + ...is coming from |
| 16:35.00 | fsmithred | I can't see that version, and I have all repos enabled |
| 16:35.12 | gour | hmm |
| 16:36.01 | fsmithred | if you run 'apt-cache policy libuuid1' (or libblkid1) can you see that version? |
| 16:36.18 | fsmithred | it would be the devuanized version of 2.33.1-0.1 which is in buster/sid |
| 16:37.10 | ashleyk_ | why not do a clean install of something stable |
| 16:37.27 | gour | https://pastebin.com/aYKyE5gB |
| 16:37.28 | ashleyk_ | instead of running on a system you fubared |
| 16:37.30 | fsmithred | OH! it's only i386 that has that version |
| 16:38.26 | gour | ashleyk_: do you think something is wrong with my ceres or in general? |
| 16:38.31 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy libuuid1:i386 shows the version in question |
| 16:38.40 | fsmithred | ...in general |
| 16:38.44 | ashleyk_ | gour, its for developers |
| 16:38.46 | fsmithred | ceres is not really ready |
| 16:38.51 | fsmithred | not even close |
| 16:39.00 | ashleyk_ | that should be obvious as soon as you install it |
| 16:39.49 | ashleyk_ | why go bleeding edge then try to install things like i386 parts for winehq packages |
| 16:39.56 | gour | ok, i got it...when i was running sid it was pretty ok...but then the question is do you recommend to install/use gnucash from beowulf on ascii since otherwise i can't use my GC data? |
| 16:39.56 | ashleyk_ | lol, better luck doing that on stable |
| 16:40.45 | ashleyk_ | i dont know anything about gnucash |
| 16:40.59 | ashleyk_ | i didnt know people actually used that |
| 16:41.01 | fsmithred | better to backport it yourself if you can |
| 16:41.09 | fsmithred | bb in a few minutes |
| 16:42.33 | ashleyk_ | if you had used stable versions of gnucash probably you wouldnt be in a non portable database....another reason to use stable releases |
| 16:44.25 | gour | ashleyk_: i used gnucash from manjaro's "stable" branch, but that is 3.5, while ceres/beowulf have 3.4 and ascii 2.6.15 and only >=2.6.19 can read 3.x data |
| 16:44.49 | gour | is it more clear now? |
| 16:45.16 | ashleyk_ | whatever manjaro is |
| 16:45.28 | gour | you can read "archlinux" |
| 16:45.33 | ashleyk_ | sounds like that was your first mistake |
| 16:46.35 | gour | well, gnome was running fine there, but i moved to xfce and thunar had automounting problem due to some systemd stuff - that's why i'm here now |
| 16:46.50 | gour | hopefully, that's not mistake ;) |
| 16:47.40 | ashleyk_ | if gnucash is locked into gnome, then you should have never locked your financial data in it in the first place :) |
| 16:47.56 | ashleyk_ | gnome has been on probation since the late 2000s |
| 16:48.20 | gour | gnucash is not tied to gnome in any way |
| 16:48.32 | ashleyk_ | then it should be easy to build 3.5 |
| 16:48.36 | gour | it is just gtk app |
| 16:49.22 | gour | 3.4 from beowulf is also ok, so i wonder if using that on ascii would be reasonable? |
| 16:50.41 | ashleyk_ | perhaps, i dont know... if you try it, try installing the deps from ascii first and seeing if it will let you dpkg -i the gnucash file |
| 16:51.09 | ashleyk_ | or even nodeps it (however you do that with debian) and see if it will launch regardless of what it thinks it needs |
| 16:51.15 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
| 16:51.22 | gour | ok, i'm installing ascii on my netbook and will test there |
| 16:51.23 | ashleyk_ | or, do a proper backport, or just build from source |
| 16:51.49 | ashleyk_ | like if you install all the ascii deps, then just do a build from source, it might get this problem gone |
| 16:51.56 | ashleyk_ | so you can do other things |
| 16:53.14 | ashleyk_ | devuan wont get in your way if you just want to solve a problem manually :) |
| 16:54.15 | ashleyk_ | this works best when a 'make uninstall' exists for later when the repos have the version you want |
| 16:54.31 | ashleyk_ | if you cant be bothered to build your own package |
| 16:55.38 | *** join/#devuan Acacia (~Acacia@unaffiliated/acacia) |
| 16:57.08 | gour | when doing new install is it enough to select 'devuan desktop environment' at the top or it is required to check 'Xfce' as well? |
| 16:57.53 | fsmithred | gour, I'm not sure. |
| 16:58.36 | fsmithred | I would check xfce, but since it's the default, it might get installed wihtout checking it |
| 16:59.06 | fsmithred | isn't xfce already checked? |
| 16:59.33 | *** join/#devuan Burrich (~cypher@88-113-145-254.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:59.37 | gour | nope, only first item |
| 16:59.53 | fsmithred | then you should be able to just press Enter |
| 17:00.03 | gour | ok |
| 17:01.03 | fsmithred | If I'm wrong about that, you can install xfce4 when you reboot into the installed system |
| 17:06.03 | ashleyk_ | xfce may be the default, i never use X, but eitherw ay, its not hard to add if its not installed |
| 17:08.40 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
| 17:10.22 | *** join/#devuan mirda (~mirdaf@128.0.185.74) |
| 17:12.03 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo5 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 17:13.51 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
| 17:47.49 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo5 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 17:51.49 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 17:54.31 | *** join/#devuan Tom-_ (tomg@98-159-244-249.agas1a-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 17:56.20 | buZz | any idea what could help a system that cant really hibernate with 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' ? |
| 17:56.49 | buZz | also 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' doesnt seem to suspend it |
| 18:05.12 | gour | fsmithred: default does install xfce |
| 18:06.52 | gour | is it normal that new install has isse with hddtemo's perms? |
| 18:07.01 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy_ (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
| 18:07.12 | gour | *hddtemp |
| 18:08.31 | buZz | could be, whats the issue? |
| 18:10.54 | gour | sensors plugin informs that hddtemp does not have sufficient perms...dirty hack recommended is to change perms with chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp |
| 18:11.23 | fsmithred | gour, thanks |
| 18:12.01 | fsmithred | I just run dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp to set it |
| 18:12.16 | fsmithred | should run automatically when you install the package |
| 18:17.25 | buZz | yeah wonder why it didnt? |
| 18:17.29 | buZz | gour: you did install it? |
| 18:18.01 | buZz | /dev/sda: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250G B �@: no sensor |
| 18:18.03 | buZz | boo :) |
| 18:19.12 | gour | attempt to install gnucash from beowulf would upgrade 98 pkgs from fresh install and install 158 new ones...that's strange |
| 18:19.12 | ashleyk_ | bwahaha :( |
| 18:19.43 | buZz | gour: sounds like you might need to apt update; apt upgrade your system |
| 18:19.50 | buZz | did you install from dvd without internet? |
| 18:20.41 | gour | buZz: i did install from dvsd but with internet and after 'update', there was nothing to do |
| 18:21.19 | buZz | and what does 'apt update; apt upgrade' show you -now- ? |
| 18:21.23 | buZz | still nothing to do? |
| 18:22.09 | gour | yes, when 'beowulf' is not included |
| 18:22.26 | gour | at least, wine does install cleanly :-) |
| 18:22.39 | buZz | yes, nothing to do? |
| 18:22.44 | gour | but gnucash seemts to be big |
| 18:22.48 | gour | yes, nothing to do |
| 18:23.33 | gour | but if i include 'beowulf', it is a different story |
| 18:23.34 | buZz | gnucash does have a ton of dependancies |
| 18:23.44 | buZz | E: Unable to locate package beowulf |
| 18:23.45 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.51 | ashleyk_ | i figured its best to install the dependencies |
| 18:24.00 | ashleyk_ | then get the gnucahs .deb file and dpkg -i |
| 18:24.03 | buZz | ashleyk_: yeah it depends on them :P |
| 18:24.11 | ashleyk_ | no instal the ascii ones |
| 18:24.14 | buZz | why would that be better then just using apt, ashleyk_ ? |
| 18:24.34 | ashleyk_ | avoid deps |
| 18:24.38 | buZz | oh |
| 18:24.40 | ashleyk_ | that will transform your system into beowolf forever |
| 18:24.47 | buZz | you're trying to install the beowulf package on a ascii system |
| 18:24.56 | buZz | yeah that might not end good :P |
| 18:25.20 | gour | yes, in order to be able to use gnucash with the new data |
| 18:26.18 | gour | apt stats for gnucash from beowulf: 98 upg, 158 newm 1 to rm :-) |
| 18:26.38 | gour | that requires some more thinking... |
| 18:26.55 | gnarface | gour: you did you try to build that version against the ascii dependencies yet? |
| 18:27.03 | gnarface | sometimes it works |
| 18:27.21 | gour | gnarface: not yet...will think aobut it tomorrow |
| 18:27.36 | gnarface | that might not mangle your install. this definitely will |
| 18:31.32 | ashleyk_ | im trying to build it now |
| 18:31.44 | ashleyk_ | installing deps |
| 18:31.52 | *** join/#devuan rsx (~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 18:33.50 | *** join/#devuan pekman (~pekman@unaffiliated/pekman) |
| 18:35.15 | ashleyk_ | it has a billion deps |
| 18:36.23 | ashleyk_ | hmm yeah, i think im stuck at gwengui-gtk3 |
| 18:36.33 | ashleyk_ | only gtk2 is in repo |
| 18:36.41 | ashleyk_ | and qt4 and qt5 and fox16 |
| 18:39.20 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:49.12 | ashleyk_ | gnucash 3.5 would be a challenge to run on almost all distros |
| 18:50.11 | ashleyk_ | and normally building things from source is easy, but in this case, its probably easier just to let gnucash destroy your entire distro |
| 18:51.16 | ashleyk_ | maybe they shouldnt make breaking changes to the database structure between minor versions |
| 18:56.25 | fsmithred | install beowulf in a vm just to run gnucash? I've done crazier stuff than that. |
| 18:58.21 | *** join/#devuan alebolic (~ale@net-188-218-110-232.cust.vodafonedsl.it) |
| 18:59.13 | *** join/#devuan thuu (~thuu@2a0a:e5c0:2:12:0:f0ff:fea9:c42e) |
| 19:03.14 | *** join/#devuan thuu (~thuu@2a0a:e5c0:2:12:0:f0ff:fea9:c42e) |
| 19:29.35 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@2a05:9cc3:7e:d6b8:5604:a6ff:fe1a:54ae) |
| 19:38.59 | *** join/#devuan _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 19:40.52 | *** join/#devuan Inepu (~Mithrandi@88-202-44-125.ip.skylogicnet.com) |
| 19:43.09 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@70.35.217.155) |
| 19:50.30 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
| 19:50.39 | *** join/#devuan xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 19:56.20 | *** join/#devuan hanez (~hanez@mail.zynk.org) |
| 19:58.30 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo1 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 20:04.55 | *** join/#devuan cd (~none@gateway/tor-sasl/cd) |
| 20:24.17 | gour | fsmithred: is beowulf stable than ceres? it should be considering it is approaching stable phase...iirc, buster is supposed to be frozen last month? |
| 20:24.33 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@mx.eniso-partners.com) |
| 20:25.14 | gour | in that case i could try to just use beowulf...let me try to install wine & gnucash on my testing install |
| 20:25.48 | *** join/#devuan zjason (~user@59-115-110-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) |
| 20:29.11 | ashleyk_ | they discontinued gnucash for windows or you could just run windows :P |
| 20:32.53 | gour | last version of windows for which i had license (came along with the laptop) was xp. since then i do not have anything with windows...and even before that it was always light usage...before linux os2 way my OS |
| 20:33.29 | ashleyk_ | jsut need wine |
| 20:33.38 | ashleyk_ | so you can get drunk when gnucash doesnt work |
| 20:34.06 | gour | lol |
| 20:35.03 | gour | i'm updating my testbed to beowulf to check how it goes with gnucash and wine |
| 20:39.19 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi (~ChuangTzu@gateway/tor-sasl/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 20:40.40 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi-Tao (~Zhuangzi-@97.102.134.54) |
| 20:47.41 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi-Tao (~ChuangTzu@gateway/tor-sasl/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 20:55.49 | fsmithred | gour, I think beowulf mostly works, and you will probably have better luck with the versions of your problem packages |
| 20:57.27 | fsmithred | libuuid1, etc. |
| 21:01.38 | gour | we'll see soon ;) |
| 21:02.42 | *** join/#devuan hanez (~hanez@mail.zynk.org) |
| 21:04.12 | *** join/#devuan petzi (~petzi@p54BB789F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:35.26 | *** join/#devuan BurekzFinezt (~Burek@unaffiliated/burekzfinezt) |
| 21:39.01 | *** join/#devuan halbeno (~halbeno@d50-93-37-115.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 21:51.23 | *** join/#devuan minnesotags (~herbgarci@c-24-118-22-254.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 21:52.06 | gour | both wine & gnucash installed ok, will test them tomorrow |
| 22:00.18 | *** part/#devuan romo (~romo@unaffiliated/romo) |
| 22:07.52 | *** join/#devuan xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 22:10.07 | Burek | does steam work in devuan? |
| 22:13.17 | ashleyk_ | Burek, probably |
| 22:13.27 | ashleyk_ | Burek, why wouldnt it |
| 22:15.13 | Burek | someone told me steam requires some systemd bs in order to work properly |
| 22:15.45 | ashleyk_ | did you confirm? |
| 22:15.52 | Burek | not really, hence me asking |
| 22:16.14 | Burek | actually i read it on artix forums |
| 22:16.19 | Burek | arch without systemd basically |
| 22:16.44 | gnarface | Burek: it needs systemd for very little. you can get by |
| 22:17.08 | ashleyk_ | id be suprised if it needed it at all |
| 22:17.50 | Burek | https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,604.0.html |
| 22:17.54 | Burek | dbus apparently |
| 22:17.56 | Burek | :thonk: |
| 22:18.06 | ashleyk_ | udev? |
| 22:18.15 | gnarface | it depends on steam for permissions, but you can fix them up manually in most cases, with some environment variables and udev customizations |
| 22:18.26 | gnarface | it depends on pulseaudio for streaming |
| 22:18.31 | ashleyk_ | lol |
| 22:18.32 | gnarface | but you can simulate that with netcat :-p |
| 22:19.06 | gnarface | it just needs permissions for gamepads, and the steam controller |
| 22:19.12 | Burek | so, it's kinda like too much work huh |
| 22:19.46 | ashleyk_ | its probably easy |
| 22:19.51 | gnarface | depends on how much you hate systemd, really |
| 22:19.53 | ashleyk_ | but its steam, so is it worth it? |
| 22:20.01 | Burek | yes lol |
| 22:20.10 | Burek | Gaben is my Lord |
| 22:20.28 | ashleyk_ | what is a gaben |
| 22:21.03 | Burek | Gabe Newell, the guy behind steam |
| 22:21.06 | gnarface | (*depends on systemd for permissions, i meant to type up there, obviously) |
| 22:21.09 | Burek | or as gamers call him Gaben |
| 22:21.20 | gnarface | there is a steam package in non-free |
| 22:21.20 | *** join/#devuan gour_ (~gour@unaffiliated/gour) |
| 22:21.24 | gnarface | use that |
| 22:21.32 | Burek | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/gaben |
| 22:21.36 | gnarface | and make sure if you have nvidia hardware, you get the backports drivers |
| 22:22.05 | Burek | gpu drivers for my thinkpad are already in the kernel, so i'm not really worried about that |
| 22:22.26 | gnarface | you might still need the backports mesa for intel/amd, for some games |
| 22:22.27 | ashleyk_ | does steam have any good games |
| 22:22.28 | Burek | i do light gaming on this laptop, PC runs another distro |
| 22:22.45 | Burek | i mean, it has like 5000 linux games atm |
| 22:22.46 | gnarface | steam has a TON of games |
| 22:22.52 | Burek | from big titles to indie ones |
| 22:23.10 | specing | Steam has lots of steam |
| 22:23.13 | Burek | it's literally _THE_ gaming platform |
| 22:23.13 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@178-82-161-195.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:23.15 | specing | but is low on freedom |
| 22:23.57 | gnarface | it is very low on freedom :( |
| 22:24.07 | gnarface | and it might very well be quite evil |
| 22:24.11 | specing | There are tons of good foss games |
| 22:24.24 | gnarface | however, not all of the games sold through it require it to run, and not all of them have DRM either |
| 22:24.25 | specing | you should be ashamed of yourself if you use steam |
| 22:24.39 | Burek | xd |
| 22:24.45 | gnarface | i am ashamed of myself for it |
| 22:24.54 | ashleyk_ | i only play openarena |
| 22:24.54 | gnarface | i'm more ashamed of battle.net though :-P |
| 22:24.56 | specing | I'm involved in a foss game's management and we get virtually no players, only 2-3 per year |
| 22:25.05 | Burek | i wonder why |
| 22:25.06 | jelly | there are literally no A level games at all |
| 22:25.09 | specing | it is very hard to get players (we are not on steam) |
| 22:25.13 | jelly | that are open source |
| 22:25.21 | jelly | let alone free software |
| 22:25.23 | ashleyk_ | openarena is oss |
| 22:25.28 | specing | What is "A level"? |
| 22:25.32 | ashleyk_ | :D |
| 22:25.39 | gnarface | ioquake3 is good though |
| 22:25.54 | specing | quake is very bad |
| 22:25.56 | ashleyk_ | never tried it |
| 22:26.09 | specing | there are a lot of FOSS games that are much better than openarena&friends |
| 22:26.12 | MinceR | xonotic > * |
| 22:26.18 | specing | both visually and content-vise |
| 22:26.38 | specing | MinceR: xonotic is rather bad, only its vehicle part and freezetag (that noone plays) are good |
| 22:26.39 | ashleyk_ | without quake the world woudl be a very different place |
| 22:26.44 | specing | MinceR: and "good" |
| 22:26.50 | jelly | sorry, AAA |
| 22:27.01 | MinceR | yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. |
| 22:27.29 | MinceR | then again, maybe you played on jeff's servers, those are crap |
| 22:27.33 | specing | I am also very sad that when you ask people why they don't play FOSS games, they tell you that openarena is the best there is |
| 22:27.40 | specing | it just shows their steam-head ignorance |
| 22:28.03 | specing | but the fault also lies on FOSS games, NIH is high instead of joining forces for a common platform |
| 22:28.08 | jelly | you sure won't get more by alienating users |
| 22:28.25 | MinceR | actually there's a lot of joining forces in a game like xonotic |
| 22:28.31 | specing | well, I'm not getting any users to alienate in the first place |
| 22:28.32 | MinceR | the engine is shared with other games |
| 22:28.33 | ashleyk_ | lol openarena is the best |
| 22:28.34 | gnarface | if you want foss games just search the repo for games... |
| 22:28.35 | MinceR | there are official mods |
| 22:28.51 | MinceR | there is a ton of modding going on so the same game can be used in multiple ways |
| 22:28.53 | Burek | you want good foss game? https://crawl.develz.org/ |
| 22:28.58 | MinceR | and FOSS games often share assets |
| 22:29.40 | ashleyk_ | Burek, do you actually play that |
| 22:29.49 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.59 | Burek | i do |
| 22:30.06 | Burek | i love me some rogue-like/lites |
| 22:30.15 | MinceR | :) |
| 22:30.19 | Burek | and that one is in my top 5 ^^ |
| 22:30.23 | ashleyk_ | i played nethack until they ruined it |
| 22:30.41 | Burek | im too stupid for ascii roguelites/likes |
| 22:30.43 | Burek | :( |
| 22:30.56 | specing | What I miss in nethack is multiplayer |
| 22:31.15 | ashleyk_ | the only multiplayer is the bones files |
| 22:31.23 | specing | I don't enjoy singleplayer games at all |
| 22:32.48 | Burek | i know a roguelike mmo game |
| 22:32.50 | Burek | lemme find it |
| 22:33.37 | ashleyk_ | http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org |
| 22:34.03 | Burek | https://cataclysmdda.org/ |
| 22:34.24 | ashleyk_ | i think maybe angband was too |
| 22:35.38 | Burek | i really need to get into roguelikes/lites more, again |
| 22:35.57 | Burek | then again i did buy one the other day :) |
| 22:36.21 | Burek | http://www.tangledeep.com/ |
| 22:36.22 | specing | Burek: is it FOSS? |
| 22:36.26 | Burek | no |
| 22:36.29 | specing | Shame on you |
| 22:36.46 | Burek | no |
| 22:36.55 | ashleyk_ | who pays for games |
| 22:37.02 | Burek | i like supporting indie devs. they don't have to be all FOSS |
| 22:38.18 | specing | your collective actions today mean that in the future, your children will not be able to play multiplayer FOSS games - because there will be no players and consequently, no developers working on them. |
| 22:38.47 | specing | Player counts are declining nearly all over the foss multiplayer gaming world |
| 22:39.21 | ashleyk_ | iqs are declining faster |
| 22:40.01 | Evilham | spends more money on games than time playing |
| 22:40.24 | Xenguy | presidents have become moronic |
| 22:40.52 | Evilham | Specially if they support anything other than android, windows and mac/iOS |
| 22:40.56 | MinceR | people in general have become moronic |
| 22:41.09 | ashleyk_ | Xenguy, at least the president is american again |
| 22:41.27 | Xenguy | That he is |
| 22:42.12 | jelly | specing: I suspect that's because not many FOSS games have a working business model |
| 22:42.56 | MinceR | they don't need one |
| 22:43.02 | MinceR | the point is not making money, it's having fun |
| 22:43.22 | jelly | the point is also being able to support yourself |
| 22:43.29 | jelly | and your family |
| 22:43.34 | ashleyk_ | thats a bad idea |
| 22:44.04 | ashleyk_ | take care of the basics before you decide you want to make an OSS game |
| 22:44.06 | specing | FOSS games are generally developed in people's free time |
| 22:44.16 | specing | in the game I play, all players are developers |
| 22:44.25 | MinceR | well, we have the choice between games that are made to be free and fun and games that are made to drive sales of microtransactions, DLCs and lootbox bullshit |
| 22:44.36 | MinceR | i've made my choice :> |
| 22:44.45 | jelly | I'd vastly prefer being paid doing what I love than doing something I hate and making what I love in the precious little free time |
| 22:44.52 | Burek | generalizing. only AAA titles have those. not indie games MinceR |
| 22:44.53 | MinceR | i'm also not a fan of DRM |
| 22:45.38 | ashleyk_ | jelly, then make a game based on a ponzi scheme and blockchain |
| 22:45.41 | ashleyk_ | :D |
| 22:45.47 | MinceR | :> |
| 22:46.37 | jelly | ashleyk_: we seem to have almost diametrically opposite ideas of fun! |
| 22:47.09 | ashleyk_ | if you want to make money while having fun, then you have to figure that out |
| 22:47.45 | MinceR | it's a pity adapting software to make it possible to sell licenses for it also makes it less useful |
| 22:47.55 | MinceR | the harder one tries to drive a profit, the worse it gets |
| 22:48.47 | ashleyk_ | the future (imo) is real world games |
| 22:49.06 | MinceR | Global Thermonuclear War! |
| 22:49.25 | ashleyk_ | though, have to make it doable from home too |
| 22:49.29 | ashleyk_ | not just pokemon go |
| 22:49.50 | ashleyk_ | but like AR/VR and gps |
| 22:49.57 | MinceR | scan real world places with drones and play FPS-es in them? |
| 22:50.49 | ashleyk_ | when i was in junior high we made quake maps of the school and went in guns blazing |
| 22:50.56 | ashleyk_ | maybe get arrested for that now :D |
| 22:50.59 | MinceR | :> |
| 22:51.30 | ashleyk_ | why are there 300 ogres! |
| 22:51.44 | MinceR | *bang* 299 |
| 22:51.59 | ashleyk_ | and even more zombies |
| 23:29.41 | *** join/#devuan Zhuangzi-Tao (~ChuangTzu@gateway/tor-sasl/zhuangzi-tao) |
| 23:37.09 | *** join/#devuan tuxd3v (~tuxd3v@a94-133-96-146.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:37.40 | tuxd3v | Hello all |
| 23:37.44 | tuxd3v | o7 |
| 23:39.42 | Zhuangzi-Tao | helllo |
| 23:41.09 | MinceR | hay |
| 23:42.48 | Zhuangzi-Tao | quiet today. :) |
| 23:43.11 | Xenguy | The sound of the rain on the roof is wonderful |
| 23:43.42 | ashleyk_ | "The taste of soy in my latte is wonderful" ftfy |
| 23:43.46 | ashleyk_ | :D |
| 23:43.51 | Xenguy | heh |
| 23:44.06 | Xenguy | ChuangTzu Are you a butterfly? |
| 23:45.20 | Zhuangzi-Tao | Ah, or a man dreaming of one. ;) |
| 23:45.27 | golinux | Yes. He keep morphing |
| 23:45.33 | golinux | keeps |
| 23:45.36 | tuxd3v | I need some help chosing the best colors for some menus .. |
| 23:45.39 | tuxd3v | :( |
| 23:46.33 | ashleyk_ | hotdog stand color scheme |
| 23:46.52 | tuxd3v | http://i.imgur.com/1rnjm7v.png |
| 23:47.09 | tuxd3v | choosing bether colors that stays fidel to Devuan |
| 23:47.18 | tuxd3v | I am trying to base it in : |
| 23:47.28 | tuxd3v | https://dev1galaxy.org |
| 23:49.50 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo2 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
| 23:50.54 | tuxd3v | don't know if invert magenta with grey dark.. |
| 23:51.12 | tuxd3v | what would for you be better |
| 23:51.17 | Zhuangzi-Tao | its a good start tux |
| 23:51.25 | tuxd3v | magenta in background |
| 23:51.33 | tuxd3v | and gry dark inside box |
| 23:51.41 | tuxd3v | or Grey dark in background |
| 23:51.47 | tuxd3v | and magenta inside the box |
| 23:51.48 | tuxd3v | ? |
| 23:52.46 | tuxd3v | iventerting both colors |
| 23:52.50 | tuxd3v | inverting |
| 23:52.55 | Zhuangzi-Tao | I like it how it is, but then again I like boxes being darker. |
| 23:53.17 | ashleyk_ | tuxd3v, does this work with parazyd's libdevuan |
| 23:53.20 | ashleyk_ | or w/e it is |
| 23:54.06 | tuxd3v | for now, it doesn't |
| 23:54.06 | ashleyk_ | i mean, theres already a way to build images |
| 23:54.27 | tuxd3v | almost, for one Board, but then I realized ... |
| 23:54.43 | tuxd3v | After seeing the work the guys of 'buildroot' |
| 23:54.47 | tuxd3v | put into it.. |
| 23:55.57 | tuxd3v | I understood that, I needed a Backed designed with simplicity in mind, but at same time, fullfilling diferent archs/hardware/verdors |
| 23:56.19 | tuxd3v | which already exists in 'buildroot' |
| 23:56.36 | tuxd3v | but In my opinion they build it on a contrary way |
| 23:56.50 | tuxd3v | awkward |
| 23:57.00 | ashleyk_ | who is your intended audience for this software |
| 23:57.02 | tuxd3v | They start by asking zillions of questions |
| 23:57.14 | tuxd3v | then in the end you build |
| 23:57.23 | tuxd3v | I decided to do the inverse |
| 23:57.30 | tuxd3v | starting by basic questions |
| 23:57.32 | tuxd3v | like |
| 23:57.35 | tuxd3v | arch |
| 23:57.42 | tuxd3v | arm,mips,etc |
| 23:57.48 | tuxd3v | then vendors |
| 23:57.51 | tuxd3v | Allwinner |
| 23:57.54 | tuxd3v | rockchip, |
| 23:57.58 | tuxd3v | then CPU |
| 23:58.07 | tuxd3v | h3,H5,H6, |
| 23:58.10 | tuxd3v | rk3399 |
| 23:58.18 | tuxd3v | and only then Boards |
| 23:58.29 | tuxd3v | Rockpro64 |
| 23:58.33 | tuxd3v | pineh64 |
| 23:58.38 | tuxd3v | orangepi one plus |
| 23:58.43 | tuxd3v | Orangepi 3 |
| 23:58.45 | tuxd3v | and so on |
| 23:58.57 | tuxd3v | So this information his in my backed |
| 23:59.04 | tuxd3v | that I am now producing |
| 23:59.25 | tuxd3v | , with almost finished work for the logic/workflow of it |
