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| 11:33.17 | FlibberTGibbet | hi. 2 questions for the price of 1 :) how stable is beowulf currently, and is there a suggested pin list for upgrading from ascii? |
| 11:35.45 | gnarface | check the fourms |
| 11:35.47 | gnarface | forums |
| 11:36.01 | gnarface | there might be a pin list |
| 11:36.35 | gnarface | stability is reportedly fine for headless stuff, for the most part |
| 11:37.05 | gnarface | gui stuff may still be problematic |
| 11:41.48 | KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: you don't need any pin list any more |
| 11:42.36 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks gnarface, KatolaZ |
| 11:44.31 | FlibberTGibbet | sounds like it's worth trying in a fresh VM first to check the components i'm after |
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| 12:01.49 | KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: installing afresh is easier with the unstable mini.iso |
| 12:02.33 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 12:02.39 | KatolaZ | ^^ that's for amd64 |
| 12:02.39 | FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: thanks. committed to upgrading the current VM however fingers crossed :) |
| 12:03.12 | FlibberTGibbet | will give the mini.iso a try as a fresh install for comparison though |
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| 15:43.45 | Invader_Bork | hi, is there an s6 install guide for devuan? |
| 15:46.11 | KatolaZ | Invader_Bork: not yet |
| 15:46.16 | KatolaZ | there is an s6 package in the repo |
| 15:46.46 | Invader_Bork | KatolaZ, do I need to run any commands after installing that package? |
| 15:54.37 | KatolaZ | Invader_Bork: you are on your own with that atm |
| 15:54.52 | KatolaZ | any indication I can give would be misleading |
| 15:57.43 | Invader_Bork | are there any plans for it in the future? is anyone tasked with handling s6? |
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| 15:58.35 | KatolaZ | Invader_Bork: we are aiming at including s6/s6-rc in a future release, yes |
| 15:58.54 | KatolaZ | if you are willing to help, you are welcome |
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| 16:17.01 | Invader_Bork | atm i was just hoping to wrap my head around it |
| 16:17.19 | Invader_Bork | i hoped that i could whip up a devuan s6 vm and start from there |
| 16:17.28 | Invader_Bork | there isn't a lot of information about s6 |
| 16:17.34 | Invader_Bork | but it seems to be pretty good |
| 16:17.38 | Invader_Bork | KatolaZ^ |
| 16:17.59 | KatolaZ | Invader_Bork: there will be an s6/s6-rc hacking session ad the Devuan conference |
| 16:18.02 | KatolaZ | next week |
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| 16:18.54 | Invader_Bork | will it be live streamed or recorded? |
| 16:19.02 | Invader_Bork | i'm in europe but i can't make to ams |
| 16:19.30 | KatolaZ | the conference will be recorded and streamed |
| 16:19.40 | KatolaZ | but how do you stream a hacking session? :) |
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| 16:24.38 | tuxd3v | Hello Guys, |
| 16:24.42 | tuxd3v | Good Afternoon |
| 16:24.44 | tuxd3v | all |
| 16:27.27 | ashleyk | did anyone notice this spam? |
| 16:27.29 | ashleyk | -e- [global notice] Hi folks. You may have noticed some spam in recent minutes. We're taking network-wide action to filter this; if you continue to see it, please report it to staff in private message only. You can read more about our server-side filters at <https://freenode.net/news/spamfilter>; feel free to message us if you have any questions. Thanks for using freenode, sorry for any inconvenience and have a nice day. |
| 16:29.49 | sleepingkirby | ashleyk: not here. |
| 16:30.21 | Invader_Bork | KatolaZ, do it like an old school telethon with coders in place of phone operators |
| 16:30.30 | Invader_Bork | lol |
| 16:30.53 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:31.00 | nemo | I think most channels are still muted by default due to last year's spam attacks |
| 16:31.16 | Invader_Bork | KatolaZ, i'd pay a dollar for that |
| 16:31.27 | KatolaZ | I guess most channels just went +r |
| 16:31.32 | nemo | on ours I require registration to talk publicly, or else your arrival from an autovoiced whitelist (which is currently only freenode's client) |
| 16:31.39 | KatolaZ | which rules out a lot of spam already |
| 16:31.41 | nemo | I figured that was less hostile |
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| 17:01.57 | stripe | hi all installing ascii, how to kill display manager from tty so i can install the latest nvidia driver (service lightdm not recognised) cheers |
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| 17:03.41 | ashleyk | stripe, type runlevel |
| 17:03.51 | ashleyk | i think its init 3 will work |
| 17:04.04 | KatolaZ | stripe: which display manager are you using? |
| 17:04.39 | stripe | its the xfce desktop from cd1 |
| 17:04.50 | ashleyk | hmm runlevel isnt a command apparently....but i think its init 4? init 5 = X ? |
| 17:04.53 | KatolaZ | as root |
| 17:05.02 | KatolaZ | stripe: /etc/init.d/slim stop |
| 17:05.20 | stripe | ah its slim, thanks guys |
| 17:05.33 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: what are you talking about? |
| 17:05.54 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: runlevel is under /sbin |
| 17:05.55 | ashleyk | changing runlevel from X runlevel to multi-user |
| 17:05.58 | KatolaZ | /sbin/runlevel |
| 17:06.04 | ashleyk | oh, im not root, my bad |
| 17:06.13 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: there is no distinction between multi-user and X in Debian |
| 17:06.20 | KatolaZ | and so in Devuan |
| 17:06.26 | KatolaZ | since I can remember :) |
| 17:06.27 | ashleyk | @_@ |
| 17:06.36 | KatolaZ | that is something used by RedHat-derived distros :) |
| 17:06.42 | ashleyk | oh, so its non-standard, nice! lol |
| 17:06.53 | ashleyk | how come it works in slackware |
| 17:06.54 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: there is no standard about that |
| 17:06.55 | KatolaZ | at all |
| 17:07.11 | KatolaZ | just because slackware opted for a different runlevel structure |
| 17:07.12 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:07.29 | ashleyk | https://www.networkworld.com/article/2693438/unix-how-to-the-linux-etc-inittab-file.html |
| 17:07.36 | ashleyk | # 5 - X11 |
| 17:07.44 | ashleyk | # 3 - Full multiuser mode |
| 17:07.46 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: which standard are you talking about exactly? |
| 17:07.56 | ashleyk | the 20 years old standard |
| 17:08.01 | KatolaZ | which one? |
| 17:08.05 | KatolaZ | can you name it, please? |
| 17:08.14 | ashleyk | AIX? |
| 17:08.48 | KatolaZ | which standard? |
| 17:08.52 | KatolaZ | AIX is not a standard |
| 17:08.57 | KatolaZ | AIX is a sysv implementation |
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| 17:09.30 | ashleyk | ok, well, then saying normal things that usually work, dont work anymore, fine, whatever |
| 17:09.33 | ashleyk | who runs X anyway? lol |
| 17:09.44 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: you cited a standard |
| 17:09.48 | KatolaZ | but you can't name it :) |
| 17:10.00 | KatolaZ | this has never been standard |
| 17:10.16 | KatolaZ | the runlevel configuration has always been a choice of the implementation/distribution |
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| 17:12.55 | ashleyk | ah, only 0, 1 and 6 were standards |
| 17:13.01 | KatolaZ | ashleyk: :) |
| 17:13.06 | gnarface | ashleyk: you can still make it do that if you want, you know. |
| 17:13.12 | ashleyk | i assumed they were all standard because everyone ued them |
| 17:13.23 | gnarface | redhat used them |
| 17:13.29 | gnarface | that's why everyone used them |
| 17:13.37 | KatolaZ | not everyone again |
| 17:13.41 | ashleyk | im from before redhat existed lol |
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| 17:13.57 | KatolaZ | SuSe started using runlevel 4 for X and then switched to 5 |
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| 17:14.21 | KatolaZ | solaris had runlevel 3 initially, then 5 |
| 17:14.31 | KatolaZ | other sysv implementations did different things |
| 17:14.37 | KatolaZ | it's basically down to the sysadmin |
| 17:16.34 | ashleyk | ok |
| 17:16.44 | gnarface | so presets is another update-rc.d feature needed |
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| 18:50.12 | _abc_ | Hello. fsmithred ? Can you please remind me what that refracta based usb stick thing was called, with multiple bootable things on it? |
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| 18:58.39 | watchcat | i just use my cellphone to boot various iso's. 'drivedroid' app. |
| 18:58.57 | _abc_ | netboot? |
| 18:59.31 | watchcat | usb |
| 19:01.22 | _abc_ | Yeah, ok, I need it on a usb stick. |
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| 20:53.48 | golinux | _abc_: refracta2usb |
| 20:54.18 | golinux | https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt |
| 20:55.04 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ |
| 20:55.21 | golinux | _abc_: ^^^ |
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| 21:06.19 | _abc_ | golinux: thanks |
| 21:07.05 | _abc_ | Great I already had one of them bookmarked from last time. Duh. |
| 21:07.06 | _abc_ | Thanks. |
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| 23:07.33 | Bjornn | is there a particular DE that Ascii works best with? |
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| 23:12.23 | golinux | Bjornn: The default is Xfce |
| 23:12.51 | golinux | But there are other choices |
| 23:17.26 | plasma41 | Impressive. Gentoo now has GNOME 3.30 working with OpenRC init by means of elogind. https://blogs.gentoo.org/leio/2019/03/26/gnome-3-30/ |
| 23:17.36 | Xenguy | Bjornn: I like MATE, which is like Gnome2 |
| 23:19.03 | plasma41 | Not that I plan to switch from Xfce, but could this allow Devuan to start supporting GNOME 3? |
| 23:22.00 | watchcat | seems like more trouble than it's worth. |
| 23:22.00 | djph | i think gnome would need to be compile-able systemd-free |
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| 23:40.21 | golinux | gnome is more trouble than it's worth and a dead end of complexity |
| 23:45.24 | Xenguy | I recall having a brief look at GNOME3, and thinking it was just awful |
| 23:49.39 | jonadab | Gnome has been getting worse with each new version since 1.0 |
| 23:49.57 | jonadab | At this point, it's not worth messing with at all. |
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| 23:51.09 | jonadab | I think a lot of young people today would be astonished if they got a look at how flexible Gnome 0.x was, though. It could do stuff that most desktop environments today cannot. |
| 23:51.51 | jonadab | Just for example, I used to have a small clock applet on a floating, always-on-top panel positioned so that it would be to the left of the minimize button on a maximized window, covering up an otherwise completely unused portion of the titlebar. |
| 23:52.20 | MinceR | indeed |
| 23:52.32 | MinceR | gnome used to be nice, then it jumped the shark and became absolute trash |
| 23:53.10 | jonadab | They got somebody in their leadership who bought into the "options confuse users so don't give them any options" nonsense. |
| 23:53.27 | MinceR | indeed |
| 23:53.29 | Xenguy | Yeah, exactly. We know better than the users, etc. |
| 23:53.38 | MinceR | and also into the rest of the apple ideas about UI |
| 23:53.47 | MinceR | they even adopted the apple HIG |
| 23:54.30 | jonadab | My own view is that the *defaults* should be designed for the sorts of users who are confused by options. |
| 23:54.51 | jonadab | So they don't have to look at them. |