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| 01:15.50 | Bjornn | I'm missing something on emacs. |
| 01:15.55 | va7lnx | vim mode? |
| 01:15.57 | va7lnx | ducks |
| 01:16.02 | Bjornn | the only emacs I've seen opens in a terminal window |
| 01:16.20 | Bjornn | how is it an operating system? |
| 01:16.35 | va7lnx | maybe you want xemacs21? |
| 01:17.06 | va7lnx | ooh.. ipv6... I wish I had that here. :\ |
| 01:17.19 | Bjornn | no, I don't mean that, I mean. I hear operating system, I thought it was just a programming env. |
| 01:17.32 | va7lnx | I don't use emacs. I'm a ViM user. |
| 01:17.42 | va7lnx | so I wouldn't know. |
| 01:17.57 | Bjornn | I'm using sublime from my windows days |
| 01:18.26 | va7lnx | ah. |
| 01:19.00 | Bjornn | I guess vim can do some stuff like that? |
| 01:19.10 | va7lnx | well, it does have context colouring. |
| 01:19.33 | Bjornn | someone told me the real time linting would be an issue with vim |
| 01:20.07 | va7lnx | having never done that, I wouldn't know. I'm just a beginner coder and use it as an editor. |
| 01:20.45 | Bjornn | the real time correcting is pretty awesome. |
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| 09:45.09 | g0zzy | I've just installed unattended-upgrades on ASCII but they failed to download Firefox: http://sprunge.us/n4LjQX |
| 09:47.22 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: please try again |
| 09:47.39 | KatolaZ | the devuan mirror must have hit a debian mirror which is not yet updated |
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| 09:48.59 | g0zzy | OK. I shall have to let IT try again as i have no remote to it |
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| 14:05.49 | James1138 | Question - is it okay to purge Apache?? I am not running a server. |
| 14:06.25 | sxpert | yes we can ! |
| 14:06.45 | James1138 | Thanks |
| 14:07.26 | gnarface | if it is installed and you didn't request it on purpose, you might have other stuff you don't want, too... |
| 14:08.53 | James1138 | I will check. It may have been installed when I used evolution for my mail client but now use SeaMonkey after seen my needs was not that great. |
| 14:09.13 | gnarface | ah |
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| 15:30.27 | furrywolf | I can just dd the netinst iso to a usb key, right? |
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| 15:37.50 | fbt | Last time I checked it worked that way |
| 15:39.30 | furrywolf | I want to use the rest of the free space on the key to put things on, but cfdisk doesn't like it after dding the iso to it. heh. |
| 15:39.55 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: you need to edit the partition table |
| 15:40.01 | KatolaZ | with gdisk |
| 15:40.05 | KatolaZ | after you dd it |
| 15:40.11 | KatolaZ | go into extended options |
| 15:40.36 | KatolaZ | (it's a gpt partition, if it's one of the arm images) |
| 15:40.52 | KatolaZ | cfdisk does not understand extended gpt options |
| 15:41.10 | furrywolf | it's not an arm image. amd64. |
| 15:42.18 | furrywolf | gdisk doesn't like it either, similar error. |
| 15:42.19 | furrywolf | Warning! Main partition table overlaps the first partition by 64 blocks! |
| 15:42.19 | furrywolf | You will need to delete this partition or resize it in another utility. |
| 15:42.35 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: which image are you dd-ing? |
| 15:42.42 | sxpert | ah |
| 15:43.00 | sxpert | sounds like inconsistent partition table |
| 15:43.11 | sxpert | with 2 overlapping blocks |
| 15:43.17 | KatolaZ | sxpert: hold on |
| 15:43.21 | furrywolf | gdisk won't even print the partitions correctly, which fdisk and cfdisk both did. heh. |
| 15:43.27 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: which image are you dd-ing? |
| 15:43.31 | furrywolf | devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 15:43.48 | KatolaZ | that's isohybrid, IIRC |
| 15:44.04 | KatolaZ | so you can't change it |
| 15:44.08 | KatolaZ | IIRC |
| 15:44.30 | KatolaZ | just partition the drive |
| 15:44.30 | furrywolf | if fdisk is correct, the small fat32 partition is inside and overlaps the main partition, which is why *disk breaks. |
| 15:44.38 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: |
| 15:44.43 | KatolaZ | partition the drive |
| 15:44.50 | KatolaZ | and then dd the image on a partition |
| 15:44.58 | furrywolf | will it be bootable if I do that? |
| 15:45.03 | KatolaZ | via chainload |
| 15:45.29 | furrywolf | could just use two thumbdrives, but was hoping to make this simple |
| 15:46.11 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 15:46.38 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: the netinst is a cdrom image |
| 15:46.41 | KatolaZ | isohybrid |
| 15:47.07 | KatolaZ | so you can't change the partition table there |
| 15:47.18 | KatolaZ | AFAIK |
| 15:48.33 | KatolaZ | you should dd it to a partition on your thumbdrive |
| 15:48.43 | KatolaZ | and boot it from the mbr on the thumbdrive |
| 15:48.50 | KatolaZ | via chainloading |
| 15:49.25 | furrywolf | ok, I made two partitions, and dd'ed the image to the first one... how do I make it bootable? |
| 15:49.32 | KatolaZ | it might not be necessary to chainload it if your controller understands the bootable flag |
| 15:49.42 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: try setting the bootable flag on it |
| 15:50.36 | furrywolf | I set the bootable flag when I partitioned it, but I assume I'll need to some form of bootloader in the mbr or such... |
| 15:51.04 | KatolaZ | just put an mbr there |
| 15:51.50 | furrywolf | and how do I do that? :) |
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| 15:52.02 | KatolaZ | you should already have it there |
| 15:52.07 | KatolaZ | if you partitoned the disk |
| 15:52.07 | furrywolf | hrmm, ok. |
| 15:52.09 | KatolaZ | .... |
| 15:52.18 | furrywolf | usually I figure you have to install grub or something. |
| 15:52.48 | furrywolf | I'll pull it out and test it when the copy to the second partition finishes. |
| 15:53.35 | KatolaZ | if it doesn't boot, try re-installing an mbr on the usb-stick |
| 15:53.43 | KatolaZ | with install-mbr |
| 15:53.52 | KatolaZ | (it's in `mbr`) |
| 15:54.30 | furrywolf | the copy went nice and quickly, but the sync is still running. lol |
| 15:54.44 | furrywolf | slow sandisk thumbdrive + lots of ram... |
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| 16:02.07 | fsmithred | furrywolf, you might need to rename isolinux to syslinux if you dd it to a partition. I've never tried that, but I make live-usbs that use a fat32 first partition marked bootable. |
| 16:03.39 | furrywolf | no boot. blinks something that includes the word "missing" quickly enough that I can only read one word at a time, then boots windows. |
| 16:04.15 | fsmithred | you selected usb from the boot device menu? |
| 16:04.18 | furrywolf | yes |
| 16:04.46 | furrywolf | I think the easy solution is to just use two thumb drives. |
| 16:04.58 | fsmithred | you can try mbr as KatolaZ suggested, or you can install grub and chainload... |
| 16:05.00 | fsmithred | or that |
| 16:05.02 | furrywolf | although that kinda feels like giving up. |
| 16:05.36 | fsmithred | If you use grub, I believe you need 2mb free before the first partition |
| 16:06.16 | furrywolf | install-mbr'ed, trying again |
| 16:07.58 | furrywolf | isolinux.bin missing or corrupt |
| 16:08.09 | furrywolf | renames |
| 16:08.50 | furrywolf | ... it doesn't like it being an iso in a partition, does it? :) |
| 16:09.27 | fsmithred | oh, it's still an iso |
| 16:09.42 | fsmithred | I was thinking it was opened up |
| 16:09.52 | fsmithred | shouldn't it be? |
| 16:09.55 | furrywolf | mkfs's and copies the iso contents |
| 16:10.27 | fsmithred | it's not going to work |
| 16:10.37 | fsmithred | it'll fail when the installer tries to find the cdrom |
| 16:10.52 | fsmithred | when it fails, go to another console and do some things that I'm about to remember |
| 16:11.21 | fsmithred | mount the device, rm /cdrom then symlink the mounted device to /cdrom |
| 16:11.26 | fsmithred | rmdir |
| 16:11.58 | fsmithred | then go back to alt-f1 and try to detect cdrom again. It should work. |
| 16:12.04 | furrywolf | ... should I just use two usb keys? heh |
| 16:12.17 | fsmithred | might be done by now if you did |
| 16:12.24 | fsmithred | but like you said... |
| 16:12.26 | furrywolf | the point of this was to copy all my .deb's around while I install this on multiple boxes. if it means I have to fuck around with the installer on each one... |
| 16:13.04 | furrywolf | I wish the bios would let me disable booting off the hard drive. it only seems to let me re-order boot options, not disable them. |
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| 16:14.04 | fsmithred | you doing the same install on every one, or are they going to be different? |
| 16:14.34 | furrywolf | not sure yet |
| 16:14.50 | furrywolf | going to be like three boxes, not a big project. |
| 16:15.06 | furrywolf | I just want to start with all my .debs from this box, to save bandwidth. |
| 16:15.10 | fsmithred | ok. If they're all the same (or very close) use refractasnapshot on the first one and refractainstaller for the others |
| 16:15.33 | fsmithred | and you'll only use bandwidth on the first |
| 16:15.38 | furrywolf | (I've done this before by copying /var/cache/apt/archives/ around) |
| 16:15.56 | fsmithred | yeah, you just need a place to put it |
| 16:16.34 | furrywolf | "MBR 1FA:" |
| 16:16.51 | fsmithred | see man mbr for the secret codes |
| 16:17.01 | furrywolf | it might still be doing something, not sure... |
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| 16:17.26 | furrywolf | No manual entry for mbr |
| 16:17.53 | fsmithred | man install-mbr |
| 16:17.54 | fsmithred | sorry |
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| 16:18.55 | KatolaZ | 16:55 < KatolaZ> if it doesn't boot, try re-installing an mbr on the usb-stick |
| 16:18.55 | KatolaZ | 16:55 < KatolaZ> with install-mbr |
| 16:18.55 | KatolaZ | 16:55 < KatolaZ> (it's in `mbr`) |
| 16:19.23 | furrywolf | I installed the mbr with install-mbr. this is its prompt asking me which partition to boot from. |
| 16:19.28 | furrywolf | it doesn't do anything with any of them. |
| 16:19.28 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 16:19.35 | fsmithred | try 1 |
| 16:19.42 | furrywolf | I did. 1 is part of any. :) |
| 16:19.59 | fsmithred | yeah, I type faster than I read |
| 16:20.56 | fsmithred | you tried A also? |
| 16:21.29 | furrywolf | a made it show 1234f. none of 1234 did anything. f takes a second, decides there's no floppy, and shows the prompt again. |
| 16:22.16 | furrywolf | I think two usb keys is how this is going to go, as this is taking longer than doing it the crappy way would have. |
| 16:22.19 | furrywolf | cutting losses, etc. |
| 16:23.13 | gnarface | it doesn't work if you put grub on the flash key? |
| 16:23.39 | fsmithred | that would boot |
| 16:23.53 | fsmithred | but there will still be trouble with the installer |
| 16:24.02 | furrywolf | tried putting grub on, won't install to either the drive or the partition |
| 16:24.23 | gnarface | well it does need 2MB so you'd need to put it on first |
| 16:24.28 | gnarface | iirc |
| 16:24.33 | fsmithred | grub-install --boot-directory=/usbmount/boot/grub/ |
| 16:24.40 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.52 | furrywolf | says it can't use ext2. not sure how I ended up with ext2 if I did. lol |
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| 16:25.42 | furrywolf | fuck it. two usb keys. |
| 16:25.51 | fsmithred | yeah, you're forgiven |
| 16:30.41 | furrywolf | watches the installer start first try after just dding the iso... |
| 16:31.17 | furrywolf | argh, network firmware |
| 16:34.15 | furrywolf | tries to find b43-open/shit |
| 16:34.48 | fsmithred | it's one of the ones we left out of /firmware? |
| 16:34.53 | fsmithred | I think |
| 16:35.13 | fsmithred | if so, you need a network connection for it to work (it=b43-installer |
| 16:35.35 | furrywolf | do I need both b43/ and b43-open/, or is it a pick-one thing? |
| 16:35.44 | fsmithred | open? |
| 16:36.30 | fsmithred | I think you need b43-installer or b43-legacy-installer plus one other fwcutter or something like that |
| 16:36.35 | furrywolf | the installer is telling me I need b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw |
| 16:36.51 | fsmithred | right - the installer will happily download those for you |
| 16:36.56 | fsmithred | if you have a network connection |
| 16:37.02 | furrywolf | no, it won't, as I have no network connection. lol |
| 16:37.08 | furrywolf | going to stick them on the second usb key... |
| 16:37.09 | fsmithred | right |
| 16:37.11 | fsmithred | catch22 |
| 16:37.26 | furrywolf | I'm not finding any mention of b43-open/ existing googling. |
| 16:38.03 | fsmithred | hands furrywolf a cat6 cable |
| 16:39.11 | furrywolf | are you also handing me something to plug the other end into? :P |
| 16:39.27 | fsmithred | oh, nm |
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| 16:39.40 | furrywolf | my internet here is a wireless hotspot... no wired option of any kind. I could set this laptop up to nat the ethernet port to the wifi, I guess... |
| 16:43.27 | fsmithred | afk for a couple hrs. good luck. |
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| 16:46.09 | furrywolf | I have b43/ucode15.fw lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw on the usb key, and I copied them to /lib/firmware on the install /, and it still won't find it. |
| 16:46.50 | gnarface | i think it is looking for .debs |
| 16:46.52 | gnarface | i could be wrong |
| 16:47.13 | gnarface | there was something about the path too, can't quite remember what... |
| 16:47.18 | gnarface | i don't think it is /lib/firmware |
| 16:47.43 | gnarface | oh on the install, not the installer, sorry, misread |
| 16:48.02 | gnarface | if it finds those firmware files but is missing others, dmesg would say |
| 16:48.04 | furrywolf | why is it telling me specific file names if it wants debs? |
| 16:48.16 | gnarface | ignore that, i misread "install" as "installer" |
| 16:48.32 | furrywolf | woot, now it's giving me a different error. |
| 16:48.36 | furrywolf | it wants more files. lol |
| 16:48.49 | furrywolf | why didn't it list them the first time?! grumble... |
| 16:48.51 | gnarface | that's progress |
| 16:49.46 | furrywolf | just dumps the entire b43 firmware onto the usb key and tries again |
| 16:53.30 | furrywolf | it just hard crashed |
| 16:53.53 | furrywolf | no magicsysrq |
| 16:53.57 | furrywolf | holds down power key |
| 16:54.51 | furrywolf | also, the firmware loading process is either broken is needs substantially clearer instructions. it won't find the firmware in either / or /lib/firmware on the usb key - I have to manually copy it to /lib/firmware |
| 16:55.39 | gnarface | on the installer, i'm pretty sure you need to put debs on there, and they need to be in a different directory |
| 16:56.13 | furrywolf | then the installer needs to SAY THAT, not say you need to provide specific files. |
| 16:56.35 | furrywolf | also, how could that work, when debian has no deb of it? |
| 16:56.50 | furrywolf | all debian provides is an installer deb that will go and download the ucode files for you |
| 16:56.59 | furrywolf | requiring network to install the deb |
| 16:57.29 | furrywolf | the .deb just wgets http://www.lwfinger.com/b43-firmware/broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 |
| 16:58.39 | gnarface | it still gets installed as a package |
| 16:58.46 | gnarface | it still shows up in dpkg -l |
| 16:59.01 | furrywolf | yes, but the package itself is just a script to wget that url and unpack it |
| 16:59.09 | furrywolf | there's no actual firmware in the package |
| 16:59.12 | gnarface | as for why the documentation is still wrong... i don't know, really. i don't know |
| 16:59.18 | furrywolf | copying the .deb to the usb key will not provide any firmware whatsoever. |
| 16:59.23 | gnarface | but that's definitely Debian's fault |
| 16:59.46 | gnarface | hmmm, seems like that could be a problem, yes |
| 16:59.54 | gnarface | unless you had a network connection already |
| 17:00.08 | gnarface | maybe that's why it isn't on there |
| 17:00.08 | furrywolf | also, another bug, it doesn't know my wifi password. :P |
| 17:00.21 | furrywolf | doesn't know it either, thus creating a problem! |
| 17:01.01 | furrywolf | extracts it from this box |
| 17:03.48 | furrywolf | hrmm, why can't I mount the existing windows installation? |
| 17:04.03 | furrywolf | fails with Invalid argument. |
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| 17:04.29 | furrywolf | concludes there's probably nothing worth saving on it, and wipes it |
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| 17:12.55 | furrywolf | good god this laptop is slow |
| 17:14.00 | furrywolf | https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115569 even if you get it free, do not get. lol |
| 17:14.11 | gnarface | there are some special parameters you need for grub in some cases with windows installs |
| 17:14.18 | gnarface | i don't remember them by heart though |
| 17:14.26 | furrywolf | I'm only using it because I need a laptop that will likely get ruined or stolen, and don't want to use one I care about. lol |
| 17:14.31 | furrywolf | got it at a yard sale near-free |
| 17:14.52 | gnarface | the broadcom hardware will be a curse upon any foolish enough to steal such a thing |
| 17:14.56 | furrywolf | (setting up a music playing appliance in the warehouse at work) |
| 17:15.35 | gnarface | oh, sounds fun |
| 17:15.46 | furrywolf | I wasn't trying to get grub to see the windows install... I just wanted to mount it and point and laugh at people who don't wipe their laptops before selling them. |
| 17:16.01 | gnarface | oh |
| 17:16.15 | gnarface | it is definitely easier to just wipe it |
| 17:16.32 | furrywolf | you know, poke at the desktop, and the first thing you see is all their banking info, their homemade porn, etc, and marvel at how people sell computers without wiping them while sighing at the state of humanity. |
| 17:19.30 | furrywolf | or last time I bought a camera at a yard sale, and the card was full of pictures of the guy I got it from and his family at their giant pot grow... |
| 17:20.00 | gnarface | hah yikes |
| 17:20.33 | furrywolf | speaking of appliances, what display manager should I use that will do an automatic login? (that is, on boot, start a session without prompting for a username or password) |
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| 17:24.09 | gnarface | xfce should be able to do auto-login |
| 17:24.47 | gnarface | i think you'd avoid the display manager? |
| 17:24.48 | furrywolf | god this laptop is SLOW. this is going to take hours to install. |
| 17:25.17 | furrywolf | I forgot how shit athlons were. :P |
| 17:25.29 | gnarface | either that or whatever xfce uses by default does auto-login, i forget |
| 17:26.23 | furrywolf | this laptop is just bad, even when it was new... >6lbs for 2hrs battery life, only 1366x768 lcd, slow-as-fuck athlon. |
| 17:27.46 | furrywolf | bbl, at several seconds a package times 1100 packages, I'm going to go do morning day-starting things instead of babysitting it. |
| 17:27.47 | gnarface | changing the harddrive for a ssd would make a big difference |
| 17:27.53 | furrywolf | not worth it |
| 17:27.54 | furrywolf | at all |
| 17:28.09 | furrywolf | disposable appliance going to be ruined or stolen, remember? heh |
| 17:29.07 | furrywolf | there's no access control at the warehouse, and the various companies sharing it (about a dozen of them) all wander in and out, with occasional homeless people trying to sneak in to shower the bathroom sink. |
| 17:29.38 | furrywolf | I'm not throwing money at it. heh. |
| 17:30.00 | furrywolf | all it needs to do is turn on, start a window manager (I selected xfce), and run a mp3 player. |
| 17:32.24 | furrywolf | it's going to be hooked up to the shittiest amp I have, a $74.99 Pyle. that'll be hooked up to some nice peavey cabs, but they'll be 10ft up, and aren't sized so that they can easily be walked off with. |
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| 17:36.22 | furrywolf | the goal, of course, is being able to rock out while working. |
| 17:36.22 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 18:29.22 | furrywolf | LOL, facebook stores passwords in plain text. |
| 18:36.19 | Evilham | ouch |
| 18:37.42 | MinceR | how else are the Five Eyes agencies going to read them and try them on other sites otherwise? |
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| 19:00.17 | Evilham | > Renfro said the company planned to alert affected Facebook users, but that no password resets would be required. |
| 19:03.09 | golinux | LOL! |
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