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| 03:24.19 | xrogaan | a bunch of libpolkit updates |
| 03:28.05 | xrogaan | I don't know what changed though. |
| 03:30.16 | xrogaan | the version +devuan0 means it is a forked package, right? |
| 03:33.11 | xrogaan | I also have an issue with apt-get changelog not finding changelogs for devuan's packages. |
| 03:37.33 | xrogaan | I believe that there is one being built for each package, but I don't know how it's supposed to work. |
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| 04:16.59 | xrogaan | I mean, is it an issue on my side? |
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| 04:48.03 | xrogaan | Alright, an url to the changelogs needs to be provided by the InRelease file |
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| 06:31.38 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: the policykit packages are a security update |
| 06:31.43 | KatolaZ | backported from beowulf |
| 06:32.05 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: we don't have separate changelogs for devuan packages yet |
| 06:32.07 | KatolaZ | sorry |
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| 12:36.51 | Bjornn | I noticed there are quite a few of the cinnamon taskbar applets now that no longer work in ascii. I'm curious why that is, they all still seem to work in stretch. |
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| 12:39.28 | Bjornn | I may be overstating the amount, but it directly affects the ones that I use the most, weather, and cpu temp monitoring. |
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| 12:49.04 | gnarface | Bjornn: known issue |
| 12:49.29 | gnarface | you can probably get temperature from lm-sensors but i don't know if your taskbar applets will ever work |
| 12:50.06 | Bjornn | yeah, it's not a big deal but I like to know what the cpu is doing |
| 12:50.17 | Bjornn | that's always been critical on my laptops. |
| 12:51.01 | Bjornn | are these systemd dependent in some way? |
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| 12:52.02 | gnarface | yes, systemd absorbed the sensor functionality, and then everyone deprecated lm-sensors in favor of the new api. a pretty crappy move, IMO |
| 12:52.51 | gnarface | but lm-sensors is still in the repo and still works as well as it did... |
| 12:53.04 | Bjornn | ok. I'll grab it. |
| 12:53.10 | Bjornn | thanks gnarface |
| 12:53.13 | gnarface | no problem |
| 12:53.47 | gnarface | in theory someone could make a widget that uses it again |
| 12:53.56 | gnarface | i just run it from a terminal though |
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| 12:54.33 | MinceR | or one could use/fork the old versions of the widgets |
| 12:54.41 | gnarface | someone actually might have done that already, i don't actually know |
| 12:55.23 | gnarface | i wish someone would do that for the e17 ones |
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| 13:13.37 | Bjornn | why do I get this message: lm-sensors set to manually installed. |
| 13:13.55 | Bjornn | but then doesn't install using apt-get install |
| 13:17.16 | gnarface | it was already installed |
| 13:17.39 | gnarface | but now it made a note that you requested it by name |
| 13:17.54 | gnarface | (it distinguishes between stuff you installed by name and stuff that was pulled in as a dependency) |
| 13:18.10 | Bjornn | ok. but bash doesn't seem to find it, or does find. locate it. so I'm showing my noob skills I guesss |
| 13:18.16 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 13:18.24 | gnarface | try running "sensors" from the shell? |
| 13:18.43 | Bjornn | ok, ya, sensors does work. |
| 13:18.55 | gnarface | sometimes you have to run sensors-detect once, as root |
| 13:19.29 | gnarface | in a fair world the modules load without that but it's hardware dependent |
| 13:19.54 | gnarface | sometimes even if sensors works, running sensors-detect finds a couple more |
| 13:20.53 | gnarface | fyi to see the files that were installed from a package (not counting auto-generated ones after install) use: dpkg -L [package name] |
| 13:22.20 | Bjornn | ah.. good tip, thanks I'll hold onto that oe. |
| 13:22.23 | Bjornn | one* |
| 13:23.14 | Bjornn | I was spoiled by windows. I used to do everything on the command line and I liked it. Windows made me soft |
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| 13:39.19 | drawkula | . o O ( never tust a GUI! ) |
| 13:39.38 | Bjornn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.01 | Bjornn | I do like my sublime editor more than any other linux I've seen so far |
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| 13:40.45 | drawkula | you don't need to automate much in your editor... and in your mediaplayer or browser... there klicking may be ok... |
| 13:41.21 | drawkula | currently I try to get used ahain to emacs |
| 13:41.39 | drawkula | I used it everyday up to the mid90s |
| 13:41.58 | drawkula | and now I'm trying to get into orgmode |
| 13:42.04 | drawkula | whic came 2003 |
| 13:42.08 | Bjornn | the learning curve is steep, it seems |
| 13:42.36 | drawkula | i had to do lots in (La)TeX until the mid90s |
| 13:42.54 | drawkula | and emacs was te best environment for it those days |
| 13:43.16 | drawkula | orgmode+babel is like jupyther notebook for lots of languages |
| 13:43.19 | KatolaZ | drawkula: org-mode is addictive :) |
| 13:43.32 | drawkula | orgmode alone does the rest of your life |
| 13:43.36 | drawkula | agendan notes etc |
| 13:44.04 | drawkula | it definitely is my notebook for code snippets now |
| 13:44.16 | KatolaZ | I mostly use it for agenda/notes/todos, and it works quite well |
| 13:44.22 | drawkula | but I'm still only scratching the surface |
| 13:44.52 | KatolaZ | you need a bit of time to memorise the useful key-bindings, but once they are there they stay |
| 13:45.31 | drawkula | yes... but my pause with emacs was decades... thats nearly a completwly restart |
| 13:45.41 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:45.45 | KatolaZ | you still can do it |
| 13:45.47 | drawkula | much has changed |
| 13:45.58 | KatolaZ | your fingers still remember their way through |
| 13:46.57 | drawkula | for short config files I still use mcedit, nvi or whatever isa at hand... (but not nano!) |
| 13:47.14 | drawkula | maybe I should start an emacsserver instance again |
| 13:47.16 | drawkula | :-) |
| 13:47.26 | KatolaZ | hehehe |
| 13:47.31 | KatolaZ | never used it in the last 10 years |
| 13:47.42 | drawkula | and eshell is super nice for remote administration |
| 13:47.43 | KatolaZ | I just have an emacs instance always up |
| 13:48.08 | KatolaZ | (never got used to eshell/term...they suck in many different ways IMHO) |
| 13:48.28 | drawkula | eshell is only ok for simple stuff because it is mor a fake shell |
| 13:48.36 | drawkula | and ansiterm is slooooow... |
| 13:49.13 | drawkula | but for simple config stuff on remote systems eshell is capable enough |
| 13:50.45 | drawkula | some say emacs is ununixoid... but who would blame python for all the applications that can run in it? looking at emacs as a lisp with a gui and all other stuff als scripts for it seems to be the right view... |
| 13:51.21 | drawkula | building emacs is surprisingly fast |
| 13:53.29 | drawkula | ok... a last "I <3 orgmode" and now enough off topic... ;-) |
| 13:53.30 | djph | it's a great OS, just needs a good text editor |
| 13:54.15 | MinceR | i think it has one, it's called "evil" |
| 13:54.27 | MinceR | pity its lisp dialect is ancient |
| 13:55.31 | drawkula | an emacs rewrite in clisp is done somwhere... and one in rust... an emacslike project in python died a while ago... or I just have loste the URL... |
| 13:55.44 | drawkula | the idea lives on even if someday emacs is too ancient |
| 13:56.29 | KatolaZ | there are plenty of emacs rewrites |
| 13:56.36 | MinceR | yeah, but i suspect most stuff for emacs won't run on any of those |
| 13:56.36 | KatolaZ | zile is a pretty neat one, for instance |
| 13:56.43 | MinceR | will even orgmode run on any of them? |
| 13:56.45 | KatolaZ | yep, not the extensions |
| 13:56.51 | KatolaZ | dunno |
| 13:56.55 | KatolaZ | don't think so |
| 13:57.00 | MinceR | or even evilmode :> |
| 13:57.20 | KatolaZ | well, why should emacs disappear? |
| 13:57.22 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:57.44 | MinceR | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 13:57.51 | drawkula | newwah! |
| 13:57.52 | MinceR | oh, i know why it will disappear |
| 13:57.54 | drawkula | :-) |
| 13:57.56 | MinceR | systemd-editord |
| 13:58.06 | KatolaZ | oh no way |
| 13:58.13 | KatolaZ | rather visual code |
| 13:58.18 | KatolaZ | or atom |
| 13:58.20 | MinceR | it would be vscode |
| 13:58.24 | MinceR | just built into systemd |
| 13:58.28 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 13:58.30 | drawkula | systemd? |
| 13:58.33 | drawkula | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.34 | drawkula | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.36 | drawkula | ______L_\_________________________________ |
| 13:58.43 | MinceR | maybe if rms is lucky, there will also be systemd-emacsd |
| 13:59.09 | drawkula | emacs -f systemd |
| 13:59.11 | drawkula | :-P |
| 13:59.37 | drawkula | we should boot into emacs and rewrite systemd in lisp |
| 13:59.39 | drawkula | :-Ã |
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| 14:48.51 | jonadab | Emacs already has an init system. |
| 14:49.09 | jonadab | Complete with autoloading. |
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