| 00:00.47 | Xenguy | All hail the great Posix |
| 00:01.49 | Xenguy | *POSIX |
| 00:02.20 | Xenguy | Did systemd break POSIX? |
| 00:02.30 | Xenguy | ^^ Possibly OT |
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| 00:09.02 | fsmithred | looks like it's /usr/bin/hostid which returns a hexadecimal number. The man page just says "print the numeric identifier for the current host" and doesn't say where that number comes from. |
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| 01:03.59 | gnarface | no /etc/hostid or /var/adm/hostid anywhere over here. /usr/bin/hostid does return what appears to be a 4-octet hex value though |
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| 02:23.37 | rrq | 007F0100 ? |
| 02:24.35 | fsmithred | whoa |
| 02:24.37 | gnarface | rrq: no collision here |
| 02:24.46 | fsmithred | how'd you get my number? |
| 02:24.58 | gnarface | fsmithred: you really have the same number? |
| 02:25.07 | fsmithred | lemme check |
| 02:25.10 | gnarface | i noticed two of my machines had the same first 2 octets |
| 02:25.16 | rrq | the IP of the hostname as of /etc/hosts |
| 02:25.28 | fsmithred | no, but it's really close |
| 02:25.29 | gnarface | i'm not sure where it's getting them but i do suspect there might be insufficient uniqueness to really be able to trust this value |
| 02:26.04 | fsmithred | 007f0101 |
| 02:26.46 | rrq | 127.0.1.1 |
| 02:26.54 | gnarface | my first two octets aren't the same as yours either |
| 02:26.55 | fsmithred | two computers have that number and one has the same as rrq's |
| 02:27.28 | gnarface | a8c02201 on this machine |
| 02:27.35 | gnarface | (ceres) |
| 02:27.45 | rrq | for me it's the ip of the entry in /etc/hosts that is named by hostname |
| 02:27.46 | fsmithred | ascii and jessie here |
| 02:27.55 | rrq | as little-endian integer |
| 02:28.03 | gnarface | a8c02601 on a rpi running ascii .. |
| 02:28.37 | rrq | 192.168.1.38 |
| 02:28.45 | gnarface | e36c2d34 on a laptop running jessie ... |
| 02:29.11 | gnarface | you're saying these are just the ip address of eth0 in hex? |
| 02:29.20 | rrq | yes |
| 02:29.26 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
| 02:29.29 | rrq | byte swapped |
| 02:30.07 | gnarface | (that's my l4d1&2 server btw) |
| 02:30.16 | gnarface | (have fun) |
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| 02:31.38 | fsmithred | my two that are the same currently have addresses in 10.0.0.x and the different one is 192.168.1.x |
| 02:31.52 | fsmithred | but they all started out in 192.168... |
| 02:31.54 | gnarface | (oh there's a chivalry server on there too, i forgot) |
| 02:32.17 | rrq | maybe its what "host $(hostname)" resolves into |
| 02:32.55 | rrq | resolves in /etc/hosts that is |
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| 07:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Full documentation at: <https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/hostid> << |
| 07:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | from manpage |
| 07:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | locate hostid doesn't reveal anything in etc or elsewhere, except the executable in bin |
| 07:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | rrq: actually that's in line with https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/hostid >>On that system, the 32-bit quantity happens to be closely related to the systemâs Internet address, but that isnât always the case. << |
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| 08:42.20 | ErRandir | I also have 007f0101 and 127.0.1.1 and /etc/hosts |
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| 08:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, 007f0100 seems popular, I got one as well |
| 08:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, one off |
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| 09:10.13 | Leander | https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/gethostid.c;h=0c416f5b8ac0f72d979d6ea073723c9035a0872d;hb=refs/heads/master |
| 09:10.25 | Leander | this is gethostid's source |
| 09:11.20 | Leander | so basically, it takes your hostname, resolves it into your ip address (and the first one it finds is typically 127.0.0.1), then inverts the upper 16 bits and lower 16 bits |
| 09:12.41 | Leander | and because your IP address is stored in big endian format, you have 1.0.0.127 converted into 0.127.1.0, which is 007f0100 in hexadecimal |
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| 09:17.48 | KatolaZ | Leander: that is only if /etc/hostid does not exist |
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| 09:21.03 | Leander | KatolaZ: yes, I was looking into why most people get the magical 007f0100 |
| 09:21.11 | KatolaZ | oh sure |
| 09:21.12 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:26.12 | ErRandir | So I'm better off putting a random number in /etc/hostid, right? |
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| 09:53.08 | KatolaZ | ErRandir: I personally think it's pretty useless anyway |
| 09:53.32 | KatolaZ | the most powerful way to avoi being tracked is to disable cookies and javascript |
| 09:53.45 | KatolaZ | and to use tor |
| 09:54.10 | KatolaZ | using tor with cookies enabled is pretty lousy anyway |
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| 13:57.51 | KatolaZ | xinomilo: your bug report was stuck, but was eventually processed |
| 14:07.05 | sokan | Don't burn me for this question but how can I get the dev1 installation image from rsync mirrors? |
| 14:07.20 | xinomilo | Katolaz: yes, got the aknowledgement allright , thx. |
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| 14:17.20 | KatolaZ | sokan: https://devuan.org/get-devuan |
| 14:17.35 | KatolaZ | sokan: look for "RSYNC mirrors"... |
| 14:27.25 | sokan | I meant after that I 'rsync -av mirror.leaseweb.com::devuan/devuan_ascii /path/to/my/desktop/dir`? |
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| 14:29.14 | sokan | I ended up `man rsync`. Got me covered I think :P |
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| 16:28.48 | sokan | to all these who use a *wm, do you have your usb-stick/devices auto-mounted or do you manually mount it? |
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| 22:40.10 | DPA | The website https://devuan.org is down. |
| 22:41.29 | g4570n | yes, but https://files.devuan.org works |
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| 22:58.09 | sixwheeledbeast | http://isup.me/devuan.org |
| 22:58.15 | sixwheeledbeast | yep |
| 22:58.41 | golinux | We know |
| 23:04.46 | golinux | Unfortunately most of the infra team who could fix it are probably zzzzzzzing |
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