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| 03:18.49 | user312321 | can someone help me with something? |
| 03:20.11 | Jjp137 | it's better to ask your question directly |
| 03:20.40 | user312321 | right |
| 03:21.15 | user312321 | My USB drives would always be able to mount through the XFCE GUI, I'd just click the icon on my desktop and mount them |
| 03:21.51 | user312321 | today all of a sudden this doesn't work anymore, I get the message "failed to mount, not authorized to perform operation" |
| 03:21.58 | user312321 | any idea what could be causing this? |
| 03:23.10 | golinux | What release? |
| 03:24.24 | golinux | Could be a policykit consolekit mismatch. Have you read the release note (especially if you're on ascii) |
| 03:24.31 | user312321 | I'll sound like an idiot but I'm not sure, how do I find that out? |
| 03:24.38 | user312321 | I believe I am on ascii actually |
| 03:24.50 | golinux | Have you read the release notes? |
| 03:24.57 | user312321 | I haven't read the release note, is that just online? |
| 03:25.10 | golinux | Of course. |
| 03:25.38 | golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 03:26.04 | golinux | Look in the session management section |
| 03:26.59 | user312321 | I think I may know a possible cause, I tried installing the plymouth login manager IIRC |
| 03:27.26 | user312321 | based on what was posted here: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 |
| 03:27.50 | golinux | That is a banned package iirc |
| 03:28.17 | user312321 | why? |
| 03:28.43 | golinux | systemd dependencies https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 03:29.00 | user312321 | crap, I had no idea |
| 03:29.21 | golinux | You shouldn;'t just go installing stuff outside the devuan repos |
| 03:31.15 | user312321 | OK. I can't see the package in my package manager, though. is this because it's not in the repos so it won't show up even if installed? |
| 03:32.07 | golinux | Did you install with gdebi? |
| 03:32.19 | golinux | Then it would show up. |
| 03:32.42 | golinux | Just search for it. The package manager probably doesn't know it's there. |
| 03:32.52 | user312321 | I installed it from the command line, not the package manager, I think I blindly added an external mirror to the list of repos as well |
| 03:33.00 | user312321 | looking back I should not have done that |
| 03:33.13 | golinux | That's an understatement. |
| 03:35.03 | user312321 | I've removed the lightdm package from the command line as well, I think that was causing a conflict. |
| 03:35.28 | golinux | Have you read the release notes? |
| 03:35.56 | golinux | slim is the default in Xfce |
| 03:37.55 | user312321 | At the time I didn't realize the external packages I installed would interfere |
| 03:38.00 | user312321 | Thanks for the help |
| 03:38.14 | golinux | YW |
| 03:39.12 | golinux | Take a look at this wiki page https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:40.02 | user312321 | This is a good link, thanks man |
| 03:40.08 | golinux | Don;t create a Frankende**an |
| 03:41.34 | golinux | I bet you'll never try that again. You aren't the first and won't be the last. |
| 03:41.38 | user312321 | Life is a learning experience right now |
| 03:41.46 | golinux | Indeed. |
| 03:42.01 | user312321 | by the way, in recovery mode as root what is the proper way to revert to the defaults? |
| 03:42.08 | golinux | That is a definition of life. |
| 03:42.50 | golinux | I don't know that the damage can be reversed that can be done. |
| 03:43.15 | user312321 | I will probably reinstall and not try to break it again |
| 03:43.21 | golinux | But then I've never had to ask that question |
| 03:43.40 | user312321 | but I can start slim, and log in as a user account, but it goes to a black screen. |
| 03:43.41 | golinux | If it's new, yes would be easiest to just reinstall. |
| 03:43.47 | user312321 | so most likely I will reinstall |
| 03:43.57 | user312321 | yeah it's only a week or two old anyway |
| 03:44.04 | user312321 | on my spare laptop as well |
| 03:44.15 | golinux | Just backup anything important. |
| 03:44.25 | user312321 | I already did before, so I should be fine |
| 03:44.31 | golinux | Sounds like a plan. |
| 03:44.44 | user312321 | actually I think I'll try to fix it anyway, might as well learn some new things before I reinstall it anyway |
| 03:44.51 | user312321 | thanks for the help again |
| 03:45.05 | golinux | NP |
| 03:45.22 | user312321 | and good night (or morning, wherever you are). |
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| 03:45.36 | golinux | You too and welcome to Devuan |
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| 03:47.25 | user312321 | actually I figured I'd pop in since I actually just got things working again |
| 03:47.42 | user312321 | my drives mount properly and I've learned my lesson |
| 03:48.22 | golinux | What did you do? |
| 03:48.43 | user312321 | it was actually strange, I'm not entirely sure what I did that fixed it |
| 03:49.09 | user312321 | I restarted once into recovery mode, manually started slim, logged in as a regular user and met with a blank screen |
| 03:49.27 | golinux | Gremlins! LOL! Happy to hear that you're good to go. |
| 03:49.31 | user312321 | then I restarted into regular mode and slim started up, I logged in and the window system showed up as well |
| 03:50.04 | user312321 | yeah I appreciate the help, although it would be nice to have some closure on how the heck it fixed itself lol. |
| 03:50.58 | user312321 | now I'm logging out for real, thanks man |
| 03:51.25 | golinux | Sometimes starting stuff launched from tty works differently than from a normal user session. |
| 03:54.40 | gnarface | i've had problems where some session managers seem to cache old xorg configs unless they're completely closed before being restarted |
| 03:54.59 | gnarface | could have been something like that |
| 03:55.29 | gnarface | but really when you're dealing with preinst/postinst scripts in a package for another distro, there's no upper limit on the amount of stuff that can break in the hidden dark corners of apt/dpkg |
| 04:34.26 | golinux | gnarface: He nay discover that before long . . . |
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| 15:43.56 | nr23 | hi. is there [y/n] a text that lays out the debian/devuan infrastructure? if yes would you mind shortcut me into it? I am sorry for bothering, I am giving a try in case anyone free. Thank you. |
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| 15:51.32 | sixwheeledbeast | not sure i understand the question |
| 15:54.03 | djph | nr23: ... is there ... what? |
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| 15:54.53 | unixman | nr23, do you mean the file system hierarchy? |
| 15:56.38 | unixman | nr23, if that is what you mean, try 'man hier' at the command line. |
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| 16:07.19 | nr23 | djph, unixman: I mean package servers, bug tracker, install media build systems, mailing list server, project source servers, website files, package manager design document, project decision philosophy rules, stuff necessary to vote, etc. |
| 16:07.50 | nr23 | e.g. everything the devuan project had to do to fork debian |
| 16:08.45 | nr23 | sixwheeledbeast: have not seen you sorry |
| 16:10.41 | nr23 | I aks so I not seen them over the years, what devuan just pulled off |
| 16:12.06 | unixman | If there is a single document anywhere that has all that, I have not seen it. |
| 16:12.54 | nr23 | unixman: so you like one thing after another? |
| 16:14.27 | unixman | nr23, I do not know what you mean to ask, so I do not know how to answer your question. Regardless, I suspect https://devuan.org/ is a good place to start finding out about the project. |
| 16:21.12 | nr23 | unixman: I thought it is a user website? |
| 16:21.35 | unixman | https://www.devuan.org/os/development |
| 16:21.53 | nr23 | unixman: o Thank you! |
| 16:22.03 | unixman | You're welcome. |
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| 16:38.39 | KatolaZ | nr23: some of the information you are looking for is on https://www.devuan.org |
| 16:38.56 | KatolaZ | installation images are at https://files.devuan.org |
| 16:39.04 | KatolaZ | BTS is at https://bugs.devuan.org |
| 16:39.12 | KatolaZ | (linked from www.devuan.org) |
| 16:39.23 | KatolaZ | package information is at pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 16:39.28 | KatolaZ | (linked from www.devuan.org) |
| 16:39.41 | KatolaZ | the package sources are on git.devuan.org |
| 16:39.59 | KatolaZ | (linked from the development page) |
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| 18:53.38 | gnu_srs1 | Hi, did anybody see this before? mkdir FOO; mv FOO BAR;mv: cannot move 'FOO' to a subdirectory of itself, 'BAR' |
| 18:55.02 | fluffywolf | nope. what filesystem, and have you fsck'ed it lately? |
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| 18:56.38 | gnu_srs1 | It's ext2 on GNU/Hurd. And recently fsck'ed all partitions. |
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| 19:10.41 | koollman | on hurd ? |
| 19:10.47 | koollman | but ... why ? :) |
| 19:11.02 | koollman | gnu_srs1: ls -ld BAR FOO |
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| 19:33.32 | nr23 | KatolaZ: thank you! who builds the packages and the installation images? |
| 19:34.06 | nr23 | maybe sounds so personal, I mean where |
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| 19:35.57 | nr23 | I mean someone a task is given... how to know what to do |
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| 19:38.12 | nr23 | I try find out, just know... in case |
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| 20:07.54 | gnu_srs1 | ls -ld BAR FOO |
| 20:07.54 | gnu_srs1 | ls: cannot access 'BAR': No such file or directory |
| 20:07.54 | gnu_srs1 | drwxr-xr-x 2 xxx xxx 4096 Feb 27 18:21 FOO |
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| 21:54.29 | AntoFox | hi |
| 21:55.13 | AntoFox | if anyone is interested he can install gnome-shell from hezeh.org |
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| 22:10.41 | system32 | Hi how can i schedule a backup using the command line ? i want the backup utility / the os to backup specific folders to a specific folder on a separate hard disk. the separate hard disk is mounted on startup so no worries there |
| 22:11.29 | system32 | i want it to back the home folder every 2 weeks at Friday |
| 22:13.01 | system32 | if you want to reply to my please ping me. |
| 22:19.31 | KatolaZ | system32: if you have no experience of backups, maybe it's better to start with one of those easy-to-use backup tools |
| 22:19.47 | KatolaZ | (just wondering) |
| 22:20.09 | system32 | well i backup my stuff on my windows machine |
| 22:20.28 | system32 | i have never backed up stuff on a linux system before |
| 22:20.47 | system32 | also what backup tool do you recommend ? |
| 22:21.59 | system32 | does that utility allow me to choose a time frame and a destination folder ? |
| 22:23.52 | KatolaZ | system32: I mostly do backups with rsnapshot or custom rsync scripts |
| 22:25.41 | system32 | apt install rsnapshot ? |
| 22:26.20 | KatolaZ | system32: if you have no previous experience of backups from cli, rsnapshot is not the right tool for you |
| 22:26.31 | KatolaZ | just google for "linux backup" and try one of the suggested tools |
| 22:26.46 | system32 | but the results are for those who have a GUI |
| 22:27.04 | system32 | i dont have a gui or a de |
| 22:27.13 | KatolaZ | are you on a command line? |
| 22:27.38 | system32 | yes |
| 22:27.54 | KatolaZ | then read the documentation for rsnapshot before installing it |
| 22:27.58 | system32 | im using ssh rn |
| 22:29.29 | system32 | well man rsnapshot does not say a lot of things |
| 22:29.57 | system32 | oh wait my bad. it scrolls down |
| 22:30.03 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 22:30.49 | system32 | # All snapshots will be stored under this root directory |
| 22:30.58 | system32 | can i change that to my hard disk ? |
| 22:38.46 | system32 | is there an alternative to rsnapshot ? its too complicated for me. cant figure it out even after reading the manual |
| 22:39.45 | ericnoan | system32: There are multiple ways to achieve what you want. If you only want to backup your home folder to another hard drive every 2 weeks, rsync can take care of it along with a cron script |
| 22:40.30 | ericnoan | system32: but there are many other programs which can act as front-ends to rsync, or even use their own backup solution, i recommend you take a look at this page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synchronization_and_backup_programs |
| 22:41.06 | ericnoan | You probably want to take a look at the incremental backup section |
| 22:41.12 | system32 | rsync is a separate utility or its part of rsnapshot ? |
| 22:42.08 | ericnoan | rsync is a standalone command line tool which just copies files, but it can handle incremental copies, so whatever hasn't changed won't be copied, only what has changed since the last backup |
| 22:42.31 | ericnoan | rsnapshot is a helper tool which uses rsync and simplifies some of the operations |
| 22:42.56 | system32 | well great. thats all i want. i just want it to copy the home folder. i dont care about the os. |
| 22:43.54 | ericnoan | system32: check that web page i sent you, the arch wiki is a very good resource to learn. but also try 'man rsnapshot' and 'man rsync', they will tell you what arguments to use |
| 22:45.02 | system32 | those are the list of apps that do Incremental backups right ? |
| 22:46.24 | ericnoan | yes under the incremental backups section |
| 22:48.19 | system32 | uhh im not sure which to choose. i wont do the backup over my network. |
| 22:48.39 | system32 | also rsync is pre-installed. |
| 22:52.07 | ericnoan | just use rsync or rsnapshot. to complete this task you must learn how to use the arguments (e.g. 'rsync -av |
| 22:52.36 | ericnoan | there are many tutorials online on how to do it, try googling 'rsync incremental backup' |
| 22:53.09 | system32 | will do. after setup, everything will be automated right ? |
| 22:53.31 | KatolaZ | system32: you need to automate it, either with rsnapshot or with rsync |
| 22:53.43 | KatolaZ | you need to create appropriate cron jobs to do that |
| 22:53.57 | KatolaZ | and make sure that your machine will be up when the cronjobs are due to run |
| 22:54.02 | system32 | oh god. its getting more FUN |
| 22:54.09 | system32 | its a server. its always on |
| 22:54.11 | ericnoan | yes, you just have to figure out the right rsync/rsnapshot command line, then make a cron job (cron means you can make something run every day/week/month etc...) |
| 22:54.32 | KatolaZ | system32: there is no fun without understanding though :) |
| 22:55.10 | KatolaZ | so maybe start with a simple tutorial on using rsync for incremental backups |
| 22:55.22 | ericnoan | i agree |
| 22:55.30 | system32 | yes. i am sure there is a tutorial on youtube |
| 22:56.18 | KatolaZ | no system32 |
| 22:56.22 | KatolaZ | you need a written tutorial |
| 22:56.26 | KatolaZ | a HOWTO |
| 22:56.31 | system32 | oh ok. |
| 22:56.35 | KatolaZ | video won't add any single bit of information |
| 22:56.46 | KatolaZ | if you want to learn, you must learn to learn first :) |
| 22:56.58 | KatolaZ | and reading manpages and howtos is part of the game |
| 22:58.02 | ericnoan | there probably is a video on youtube that explains it, but you can get the same information by following a howto. i found this rsync howto by doing a simple search https://www.marksanborn.net/howto/use-rsync-for-daily-weekly-and-full-monthly-backups/ |
| 22:58.19 | KatolaZ | https://www.marksanborn.net/howto/use-rsync-for-daily-weekly-and-full-monthly-backups/ |
| 22:58.23 | KatolaZ | ops |
| 22:58.25 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:58.27 | ericnoan | lol great minds think alike |
| 22:58.44 | KatolaZ | that's the first entry on duckduckgo for "incremental backup with rsync" :D |
| 22:58.50 | KatolaZ | kek |
| 22:58.52 | ericnoan | haha thats uncanny |
| 22:59.08 | KatolaZ | hahaha |
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| 22:59.53 | KatolaZ | still system32, that's just a pretty rough introductory document to get you up and running |
| 23:00.12 | ericnoan | yeah just try and learn and you will get it soon |
| 23:00.20 | system32 | that is fine. i will read it. thanks guys. |
| 23:00.32 | KatolaZ | yw |
| 23:00.42 | KatolaZ | and sorry if I sounded harsh somehow |
| 23:00.45 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 23:00.55 | system32 | also you made my work easier. by finding a good howto |
| 23:01.05 | KatolaZ | you mentioned you wanted to learn, and learning requires some effort |
| 23:01.24 | KatolaZ | (luckily, or unfortunately, depending on the point of view :P) |
| 23:01.39 | system32 | i have learnt a ton this year. last year i didnt know what is linux ! but now i have my own server |
| 23:02.02 | KatolaZ | system32: learning never ends |
| 23:02.03 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:02.50 | KatolaZ | I have used unix systems for a bit more than one year and I still learn a lot of things every day :P |
| 23:29.50 | djph | like? |
| 23:47.25 | Xenguy | is gettings errors from both 'pkgmaster' and 'deb' mirrors when doing 'apt-get update' ... |
| 23:47.47 | Xenguy | .oO( Known issue? ) |
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| 23:52.31 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: which error? |
| 23:52.34 | Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a572f325 |
| 23:52.50 | Xenguy | stable |
| 23:53.08 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: apt-get update please |
| 23:53.19 | KatolaZ | before apt-get upgrade |
| 23:53.24 | Xenguy | (The pkgmaster errors are markely more verbose) |
| 23:53.32 | KatolaZ | please post them |
| 23:53.45 | Xenguy | KatolaZ: Did so, but will try again now |
| 23:54.18 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: the one oyu sent is aboud deb.devuan.org |
| 23:54.38 | KatolaZ | (all the mirrors look in order) |
| 23:55.11 | Xenguy | Yes, deb gives errors, and so does pkgmaster; the latter gives more (I will paste them shortly since you expressed interest) |
| 23:55.25 | KatolaZ | thanks Xenguy |
| 23:55.29 | KatolaZ | please paste them |
| 23:57.56 | Xenguy | apt-get update gives no errors; now I will upgrade |