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| 02:14.43 | brocashelm | YES! i got beowulf repos switched |
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| 02:15.57 | brocashelm | i followed this tutorial: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 now i'm on kernel 4.19 |
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| 02:22.26 | golinux | brocashelm: congrats! |
| 02:22.36 | brocashelm | thank you! |
| 02:23.09 | brocashelm | just need to fine-tune it some more |
| 02:25.15 | brocashelm | its previous distro (mint 18.3 xfce) used about 300 mb on idle, but devuan so far is using 500 mb on idle (even though i unchecked useless services at startup). i also have problems getting the mouse to automatically be fast and responsive like it used to be. having problems with xfce-dusk-gtk3 because whiskermenu (for example) looks crappy, and that's really my preferred dark theme for xfce (adwaita has a good one, too, though). i'm also hoping i can |
| 02:27.22 | brocashelm | also, if i can find a way to have eth0 stop auto-connecting aggressively via network-manager and let it wait before i choose to connect, that would be excellent |
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| 03:02.04 | fsmithred | xfce doesn't normally use that much |
| 03:02.54 | gnarface | yea that's a puzzle to me too, i wonder if the difference could be kernel related, or if there's a compositor present or something else that wasn't there before |
| 03:03.24 | brocashelm | ya, it's really pissing me off |
| 03:03.38 | fsmithred | brocashelm, did you migrate mint to devuan, or did you do a fresh install? |
| 03:04.00 | brocashelm | fresh install |
| 03:04.12 | gnarface | upgraded from ascii, right? |
| 03:04.18 | gnarface | or is this from one of those test installers? |
| 03:04.31 | brocashelm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.45 | brocashelm | i followed that thread's instructions above |
| 03:05.11 | gnarface | the first thing i would check is to see what all drivers it's loading that didn't exist in that kernel mint was using (4.4?) |
| 03:05.11 | fsmithred | yeah, that should work |
| 03:05.25 | fsmithred | you don't need to pin all the packages listed there |
| 03:05.35 | gnarface | the second thing i would check is to see what else xfce is launching that you might not have been aware was installed |
| 03:05.40 | fsmithred | new policykit in beowulf works |
| 03:06.07 | fsmithred | Session and Startup |
| 03:06.12 | brocashelm | i removed things like evolution-calendar |
| 03:06.19 | gnarface | the third thing i would check is to make sure it's not just different caching behavior, or a side-effect of forgetting the consequences of omitting a swap partition while being low on ram, or something like that.... |
| 03:06.19 | fsmithred | Application Autostart |
| 03:06.31 | brocashelm | the latest kernel i used with mint was 4.15.43 |
| 03:06.57 | brocashelm | i don't use swap (file or partition) anymore |
| 03:07.51 | gnarface | did you on mint though? that extra data has to go somewhere |
| 03:08.13 | brocashelm | not at all |
| 03:08.17 | gnarface | hmm |
| 03:08.38 | fsmithred | run ps_mem.py |
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| 03:09.35 | brocashelm | another issue is that just by removing slim, i'm not authorized to do things like mount/umount drives or connect to the internet (via nm) |
| 03:09.47 | gnarface | that's expected behavior |
| 03:10.16 | brocashelm | well, i want graphical greeters gone and just load up xfce via .xinitrc |
| 03:10.40 | brocashelm | this was not a problem on ubuntu mint |
| 03:10.50 | gnarface | mint was using systemd? |
| 03:10.53 | brocashelm | yes |
| 03:11.01 | brocashelm | although i switched the init to upstart |
| 03:11.27 | brocashelm | tried whatever i could to switch some packages to systemd-purified versions, but failed as things like udisks2 and gvfs were complaining |
| 03:11.34 | brocashelm | as well as policykit-1 |
| 03:11.38 | fsmithred | check if elogind and libpam-elogind are installed |
| 03:12.02 | gnarface | brocashelm: there's a few ways to skin this cat |
| 03:12.37 | brocashelm | both are installed |
| 03:13.52 | fsmithred | ok, now that I think about it, those won't give you the powers you seek, but do allow you to run X without a display manager |
| 03:14.07 | gnarface | there is the sudo/su/gksu approach, or you could launch Xorg as suid root, or you could just add yourself to the right groups |
| 03:14.18 | gnarface | there's probably a couple other methods i'm forgetting too |
| 03:14.53 | fsmithred | for window manager only, I set up sudo for shutdown/reboot and use pmount for removable drives |
| 03:15.13 | fsmithred | sometimes sudo for network, too, but I don't need to use that much |
| 03:15.38 | gnarface | i use su for mounts but groups for most the other stuff |
| 03:16.11 | gnarface | but i had already learned to do it that way before there were any other options |
| 03:22.57 | fsmithred | oh yeah, no gksu in beowulf. We're supposed to use pkexec instead. |
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| 03:39.43 | golinux | Yeah. gksu is deprecated |
| 04:08.18 | va7lnx | is webmin dead? or is there a better tool for administering samba using a web browser? |
| 04:16.09 | gnarface | i don't think debian supports it |
| 04:16.35 | gnarface | there are packages out there but they kinda run roughshod on your system |
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| 04:19.35 | gnarface | if you're gonna install that, i recommend you make a backup of your system first |
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| 04:20.26 | gnarface | maybe it's also dead now, i don't know, but the thing about it not being in debian is old news |
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| 04:35.33 | va7lnx | gnarface: well, it's a new system so I don't care much |
| 04:39.38 | va7lnx | i really only want to manage samba |
| 04:39.43 | va7lnx | maybe I could use "swat" instead |
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