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| 12:05.05 | ejr | does anybody know how to turn off the laptop display in a devuan tty entirely, without X? i am trying sudo vbetool dpms off but this only echoes "Real mode call failed" and then does nothing. |
| 12:08.18 | ejr | fwiw, setterm also doesnt work |
| 12:13.35 | buZz | setterm doesnt work? |
| 12:13.38 | buZz | why not |
| 12:13.43 | buZz | do you get a actual error? |
| 12:14.50 | r3boot | unload the console driver? |
| 12:15.46 | ejr | buZz: no error |
| 12:15.54 | ejr | r3boot? how do i do that? |
| 12:16.31 | buZz | setterm --powersave off --powerdown 1 |
| 12:16.42 | buZz | that doesnt make the display turn off after 1 minute? |
| 12:17.13 | r3boot | ejr: recompile the kernel w/o the driver, make sure you set your console to something else then your display (serial for instance). What is it you're trying to achieve btw? |
| 12:17.14 | buZz | oh maybe --powersave powerdown |
| 12:20.00 | ejr | r3boot: i sometimes have a bigger screen attached to my laptop, so i want the laptop screen backlight to be off completely as I dont need it |
| 12:20.18 | buZz | hehe |
| 12:20.29 | buZz | thats quite a advanced topic yeah |
| 12:20.44 | ejr | should be pretty basic imo though |
| 12:20.49 | buZz | why? |
| 12:21.08 | r3boot | With X, that's trivial; With a console, not so much |
| 12:21.09 | buZz | i've never seen textmode to be able to do any fancy >1 monitor stuff |
| 12:21.29 | ejr | yeah, with X I've got my keybindings for that |
| 12:22.10 | r3boot | no, Xrandr |
| 12:22.14 | ejr | r3boot: i will recompile the kernel later on, though I've never done that before and hope I won't break anything. Can I set the console during the process, or do i have to pass it as an argument? |
| 12:22.34 | ejr | yeah, the keybindings are based on xrandr |
| 12:22.40 | r3boot | nah, dont do that :) I was working under the assumption that you want to get rid of your console |
| 12:22.41 | ejr | (i use i3wm) |
| 12:22.44 | ejr | ahh ok |
| 12:23.05 | rrq | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness <<< "100" |
| 12:23.10 | rrq | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness <<< "0" |
| 12:23.34 | buZz | hehe |
| 12:23.43 | buZz | rrq: that would turn off the second monitor aswell |
| 12:23.48 | buZz | but , nice option perhaps |
| 12:24.05 | rrq | hmm it didn't for me |
| 12:24.15 | ejr | i have two screen folders in /backlight, will check which one is which screen :) one sec |
| 12:24.22 | KatolaZ | ejr: what's your plan to restore the backlight *after* you succeed? |
| 12:24.58 | ejr | KatolaZ: i'd have backlight on my second screen still, so basically just setting it back to on/100 |
| 12:25.08 | KatolaZ | fair enough :) |
| 12:25.09 | ejr | or maybe a small script with entr or read |
| 12:25.29 | r3boot | /sys/class/brightness is hooked up to a specific video driver, and afaik you cannot set the brightness value per monitor from there (checked with 4.20.2, intel gpu) |
| 12:25.49 | ejr | yeah, also didnt work here |
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| 12:26.33 | ejr | well, i would also like to use this for my other laptop which is currently used as a server, just for energy saving and hardware wearout reasons |
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| 12:27.22 | ejr | and i remember once having done it under (i think) debian |
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| 12:39.59 | jyri | anything from: sudo find /sys -name brightness ? |
| 12:42.14 | jyri | or sudo find /sys -name "*backlight*" ? |
| 12:46.52 | ejr | jyri: yes, many lines pointing to particular files, but i would not know which one to modify |
| 12:47.25 | ejr | the latter command gives as files backlight, intel_backlight, disable_backlight_sysfs_if, enable_dpcd_backlight |
| 12:47.32 | ejr | the first command even more |
| 12:48.38 | jyri | on the first you can ignore the lines with usb in them, anything else in there? |
| 12:50.23 | KatolaZ | ejr: which make and model is your laptop? |
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| 12:51.29 | jyri | ejr: this page might give some hints https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight |
| 12:51.52 | ejr | jyri: this is the entire output: https://pastebin.com/5kwxW2qb |
| 12:52.03 | ejr | KatolaZ: thinkpad x60 (librebooted) |
| 12:53.59 | jyri | ejr: ok, lines 8 and 9 |
| 12:54.05 | KatolaZ | then ejr you need to use /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness |
| 12:55.07 | KatolaZ | ejr: the value you put in there must be smaller than max_brightness |
| 12:55.14 | KatolaZ | (a file in the same folder) |
| 12:55.19 | ejr | ok, the current value of that file is 4426545. i will echo a 0 to it now. if i don't reply within the next minute, i guess that means darkness forever on my side, haha |
| 12:55.29 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 12:55.36 | KatolaZ | just get an ssh console |
| 12:56.28 | ejr | yay, it works! |
| 12:56.58 | ejr | thanks a lot |
| 12:57.11 | rrq | ejr: intel_backlight/max_brightness tells maximum for brightness |
| 12:57.26 | ejr | yes, just looked at it. it's the same value as brightness had before |
| 12:57.41 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 12:57.43 | KatolaZ | good |
| 12:58.23 | ejr | just tried, it also works on my server laptop (which is also an old x60) :) |
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| 13:10.05 | ejr | now the only question is how i can bind this to a tmux binding that works, because i first need to be root (sudo echo ... doesn't suffice apparently) |
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| 13:14.02 | rrq | sudo sh -c "echo 100 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" .. it's the writing to the file that needs root |
| 13:14.23 | rrq | s/10// |
| 13:15.45 | _stephen_ | You can make a udev rule to make it so anyone can write the file. |
| 13:15.56 | _stephen_ | Or switch that redirect to a sudo pipe... |
| 13:16.26 | _stephen_ | echo 100 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness >/dev/null |
| 13:16.47 | Tuor | sudo might need password... Maybe write the `echo ...>...` line into a file owner:root;group:root; 755 and then add a sudo rule, so you can run the file with out any password. |
| 13:17.22 | ejr | rrq's command works fine, thanks |
| 13:17.30 | ejr | i think i'll stick with that solution |
| 13:17.46 | ejr | (i have the sudo PW deactivated anyway) |
| 13:18.12 | Tuor | ejr: ah then my stuff is not required. :) |
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| 13:20.40 | Tuor | Ah co-worker is running devuan on his laptop and most stuff works. I might be one of the next... Comming from Ubuntu 16.04 (can't upgrade to 18.04 for obvious reasons). |
| 13:21.40 | sxpert | what sort of obvious reasons that don't appear obvious to me ? |
| 13:22.15 | Tuor | ubuntu 18.04 has systemd only. no other init available. |
| 13:22.41 | sxpert | ah yeah |
| 13:22.44 | sxpert | of course |
| 13:22.49 | sxpert | the antichrist |
| 13:25.14 | Tuor | ^^ |
| 13:25.49 | Tuor | my distribution was very great (KDE Neon) until they decided to switch to Ubuntu 18.04 and not support 16.04 any more... |
| 13:42.13 | James1138 | General question about Devuan. Kodi 18 just came out Jan 28th. Will it be available for Devuan as it is now available for Ubuntu? |
| 13:42.58 | KatolaZ | James1138: it might be available in beowulf |
| 13:43.21 | KatolaZ | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kodi <- James1138 |
| 13:43.29 | KatolaZ | it looks like only 17 is in unstable |
| 13:43.43 | KatolaZ | (man Jan 28th is TWO days ago...) |
| 13:46.18 | ejr | is devuan's testing/unstable soon going to be as up-to-date as that of debian? |
| 13:46.45 | sxpert | there's "stale" and "usable" ;) |
| 13:47.41 | KatolaZ | ejr: they are more or less on the same page |
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| 13:50.22 | ejr | hmm, still thinking about upgrading to testing... but on the other hand i don't want to break anything. |
| 13:50.22 | ejr | weÃll see |
| 13:50.22 | ejr | *we'll |
| 13:50.52 | KatolaZ | ejr: maybe wait for a couple of days more |
| 13:51.03 | KatolaZ | there is an issue with policykit which will be fixed soon |
| 13:52.24 | ejr | good to know, thanks |
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| 14:03.10 | _abc_ | The latest irssi for devuan ascii per apt-get update + later install irssi is 1.0.7-1~deb9u1 but irssi.org has irssi 1.1.2 out and a security fix from 2019 already. Is there a way to upgrade other than manually? |
| 14:04.47 | KatolaZ | _abc_: the security fix seems to be already in 1.0.7-1~deb9u1, AFAIK |
| 14:04.50 | djph | _abc_: you are aware how debian "stable" behaves with versions, right? |
| 14:05.14 | KatolaZ | _abc_: 1.1.2 is in testing and unstable |
| 14:05.22 | KatolaZ | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/irssi |
| 14:05.24 | _abc_ | djph: I did not ask whether manual upgrade is the only option by hazard |
| 14:05.45 | _abc_ | ok so the latest 1.1.2 bug was only affecting 1.1.x not 1.0.x |
| 14:05.55 | KatolaZ | _abc_: I don't know |
| 14:05.58 | KatolaZ | look at the CVE please |
| 14:06.11 | _abc_ | ascii is jessie-backports level right? |
| 14:06.20 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 14:06.23 | djph | ascii is stable ... |
| 14:06.24 | KatolaZ | ascii is ascii |
| 14:06.26 | buZz | ascii-backports exists |
| 14:06.28 | KatolaZ | and merges stretch |
| 14:06.31 | KatolaZ | https://irssi.org/security/ |
| 14:06.34 | djph | jessie is oldstable |
| 14:06.59 | _abc_ | stretch does not appear on the page KatolaZ linked above at debian |
| 14:07.04 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 14:07.06 | buZz | _abc_: fyi, irssi github master has a native OTR plugin ;) |
| 14:07.14 | _abc_ | KatolaZ: search for stretch the word? |
| 14:07.16 | KatolaZ | _abc_: which one? |
| 14:07.21 | KatolaZ | stable |
| 14:07.23 | _abc_ | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/irssi |
| 14:07.31 | KatolaZ | stretch is the codename |
| 14:08.02 | _abc_ | Yeah so I hate hate hate debian's codename release names. |
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| 14:08.47 | KatolaZ | shrugs |
| 14:09.07 | _abc_ | Thanks for the quick answer. |
| 14:09.31 | buZz | we aim to please |
| 14:09.32 | djph | KatolaZ: devuan is also sticking to 'oldstable' / 'stable' / 'unstable' / 'testing' to describe the various versions, right? |
| 14:09.42 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 14:09.45 | KatolaZ | devuan uses codenames |
| 14:09.47 | KatolaZ | mainly |
| 14:09.58 | _abc_ | djph: it's a conspiration. |
| 14:09.59 | KatolaZ | because the releases are not always aligned with the corresponding debian one |
| 14:10.07 | KatolaZ | _abc_: read above ^^ :) |
| 14:10.16 | KatolaZ | this is just to avoid confusion |
| 14:10.25 | djph | KatolaZ: OK, so there's not necessarily a concept that "jessie is oldstable" for example |
| 14:10.28 | _abc_ | It "avoids" is "just fine" |
| 14:10.50 | KatolaZ | djph: nope |
| 14:11.17 | KatolaZ | djph: the main issue is that a devun version might be still unreleased (testing) while the corresponding debian version is stable |
| 14:11.25 | KatolaZ | we are currently in a time of grace |
| 14:11.30 | KatolaZ | where this is not the case |
| 14:11.33 | KatolaZ | (everything is in sync) |
| 14:11.43 | KatolaZ | but it has not always been like that |
| 14:12.16 | djph | KatolaZ: er, wait, I think we're saying the same thing but from different points of view. |
| 14:12.42 | KatolaZ | we had devuan jessie still to be released, and ascii incomplete, when stretch became stable |
| 14:13.16 | djph | KatolaZ: what I meant was that "within the confines of the Devuan project, there are four active versions mapped to the descriptors 'oldstable' / 'stable' / 'unstable' / 'testing' ... " |
| 14:13.17 | KatolaZ | devuan jessie was stable for about one year while debian stretch was stable |
| 14:13.28 | KatolaZ | yes djph |
| 14:13.39 | KatolaZ | but I would not put that much attention on those |
| 14:13.44 | KatolaZ | it's better to use codenames |
| 14:13.48 | KatolaZ | in order to avoid confusion |
| 14:13.51 | djph | KatolaZ: okay, perfect. I don't have to re-learn new words to think of the codenames. |
| 14:14.08 | KatolaZ | you actually might need to, djph |
| 14:14.29 | djph | KatolaZ: err... |
| 14:14.34 | KatolaZ | if debian buster becomes stable tomorrow and devuan beowulf takes three more months, then what is stable in debian is testing in devuan |
| 14:14.43 | djph | KatolaZ: "so"? |
| 14:14.50 | KatolaZ | that's totally clear for me |
| 14:14.54 | djph | I don't care about Debian. |
| 14:14.54 | KatolaZ | and maybe for you as well |
| 14:15.00 | KatolaZ | but apparently this causes "distress" |
| 14:15.02 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:15.49 | djph | Short version is that as long as "I" can still think of Devuan Jessie as "oldstable" and Devuan Ascii as "stable", I can keep things straight. |
| 14:16.01 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 14:16.05 | djph | While still talking as "Devuan Jessie" to others. |
| 14:16.28 | KatolaZ | issues arise if you make comparisons between a devuan version and the corresponding (merged) debian one |
| 14:16.47 | djph | in which case, it'd be codenames (and some googling) so I was accurate. |
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| 14:17.04 | KatolaZ | that's why it's better to say "Devuan ASCII" and "Devuan Beowulf" instead than "Devuan stable" and "Devuan testing" |
| 14:17.07 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 14:17.08 | djph | like, I didn't know Beowulf was the upcoming version. |
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| 14:17.17 | KatolaZ | djph: www.devuan.org |
| 14:17.18 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:18.17 | djph | KatolaZ: As if I have time to read upcoming things (much less test them) with a 2 year old running around |
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| 14:22.18 | KatolaZ | djph: don't mention that to me :P |
| 14:23.32 | djph | KatolaZ: have kiddos of your own? |
| 14:23.47 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:24.01 | djph | well, this is #1, so every day is a new adventure |
| 14:24.23 | KatolaZ | it will get better |
| 14:24.54 | djph | Oh, I'm not saying it's not great. Just, well, time-consuming :) |
| 14:25.33 | Liebach | 2-year olds are endless fun, and a lot of work. :-) Enjoy it while it lasts. |
| 14:26.19 | djph | haha, yeah, it's definitely that |
| 14:26.33 | djph | (uh, and sorry for going way ot, before the ops tell me off) |
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| 14:28.52 | KatolaZ | djph: I am not saying it's not great either |
| 14:28.58 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:29.04 | KatolaZ | a lot of fun, and it gets better |
| 14:29.20 | djph | and then worse, when she discovers boys. |
| 14:29.24 | djph | (aaaa) |
| 14:29.46 | fsmithred | or girls |
| 14:31.13 | djph | at least with girls there's a pretty low chance of getting knocked up ... :| |
| 14:31.22 | fsmithred | good point |
| 14:31.46 | buZz | you'd think that |
| 14:31.46 | KatolaZ | well... |
| 14:31.53 | buZz | but nowadays there girls with a outtie |
| 14:31.57 | buZz | and boys with a innie |
| 14:32.19 | Liebach | If your kids do stupid things, they have it from you. So, be your very best. When my son become a man, he will be somewhat like me. When my daughter drags her first boyfriends home and present them, I will see part of myself in them. I better like what I see. |
| 14:32.20 | buZz | welcome to teh futurrrrre |
| 14:32.24 | djph | buZz: I hate you. |
| 14:32.28 | buZz | :( |
| 14:32.32 | buZz | i dont dislike you |
| 14:32.50 | buZz | full disclosure, i'm dating a girl with a daughter ;) |
| 14:32.59 | djph | buZz: more for ruining my little walled garden that girls don't have outies... |
| 14:33.31 | djph | Liebach: quite. |
| 14:33.56 | buZz | djph: ppl didnt like me when i made gender a longint either |
| 14:34.01 | buZz | now they're all happy |
| 14:34.47 | djph | ugh |
| 14:35.59 | buZz | adam's apple removal surgery is supposedly one of the hardest, so you might like that cheat to check |
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| 14:37.20 | buZz | meh nvidia-driver 390.87-6~bpo9+1 in ascii-backports still :( |
| 14:37.25 | buZz | i want 4xx already |
| 14:37.41 | buZz | and totally dont want to install it manually :P |
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| 14:40.37 | Liebach | Any guesses when beowulf become stable? |
| 14:40.57 | KatolaZ | Liebach: when it's ready? |
| 14:40.58 | fsmithred | certainly will happen after buster freezes |
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| 14:43.09 | Liebach | KatolaZ: Obviously. Just asking because if it could happen within the next 2 weeks I'd rather wait, instead of installing ASCII now. |
| 14:43.31 | KatolaZ | Liebach: it seems unrealistic for it to happen in the next two weeks |
| 14:43.46 | Liebach | KatolaZ: Thanks. |
| 14:43.55 | KatolaZ | yw |
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| 15:52.18 | _abc_ | If devuan development cycles will follow debian's in timing in any kind of way, we'd have a few years between releases I think. |
| 15:52.55 | furrywolf | we should do the web browser thing, and immediately release devuan 10, followed by a new version every time we fix a typo in a man page. |
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| 16:05.05 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: that would be called ubuntuan |
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| 16:24.52 | golinux | Advice to all here reveling in parenthood: http://vhemt.org |
| 16:27.25 | furrywolf | golinux: that's offtopic, take it to #debianfork. :) |
| 16:27.30 | furrywolf | hides |
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| 16:46.20 | FlibberTGibbet | peers under the carpet in case furrywolf is hiding there |
| 16:47.12 | furrywolf | nope, but there might be a wolf-sized pile of shed fur there. :) |
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| 16:50.38 | MinceR | nakedwolf? |
| 16:52.15 | furrywolf | heh, you've never seen how much fur a canine can shed? :P |
| 16:53.08 | fsmithred | I have. Friends of mine have a rake for their living room. Not kidding. |
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| 16:55.38 | golinux | furrywolf: Touche!! |
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| 19:11.43 | PinkBellyNagger | syslog is reporting some hard disks in my mdadm raid5 are over 100c |
| 19:11.56 | PinkBellyNagger | My bet this is a bug by pottering |
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| 19:14.21 | gnarface | still, maybe you should check the case fans |
| 19:14.55 | PinkBellyNagger | gnarface I've checked everything is fine. hddtemp reports normal temps |
| 19:15.22 | PinkBellyNagger | ilo looks fine too |
| 19:15.36 | PinkBellyNagger | It's a bug in debian |
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| 19:55.36 | furrymcgee | there is recurring sytemctl not found with different packages, could devuan provide its own systemctl? |
| 19:56.22 | amesser | why? |
| 19:57.11 | amesser | the point is to not depend on systemctl(systemd) |
| 19:59.44 | furrymcgee | some packages use it for installation, maybe a dummy or replacement is possible |
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| 20:06.04 | amesser | whell, systemctl is used in most cases to manage systemd services. So if a package does not ship with e.g. init script, then it wont help to emulate systemctl. And if a package ship with init and systemd.service files, it should detect automatically if systemd or sysvinit is required |
| 20:06.46 | amesser | Or even better, user the command "service" instead. it should work on systemd and sysvinit systems. |
| 20:10.22 | gnarface | seems like a logical argument. one has to wonder why Debian didn't do it that way to begin with. |
| 20:10.50 | gnarface | it's almost as if they're purposefully making choices that will increase compatibility issues even when it's clearly more work to do so |
| 20:12.08 | amesser | For me its more the packagers responsibility. there now rule against supporting sysvinit. |
| 20:12.29 | amesser | One could try to file a bug against apackage which doessn't work properly on sysvinit |
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| 20:12.54 | furrymcgee | yes I think of a common script named /bin/systemctl that executes /usr/sbin/service with the same arguments |
| 20:13.05 | amesser | urgs, my today's typing is even more worse than usually |
| 20:14.10 | amesser | it wont help, if the package doesn't install /etc/init.d/<package> script. |
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| 20:14.35 | amesser | also, in many cases, the systemd service files have different names than the sysvinit scripts |
| 20:15.01 | gnarface | of course they do. why would they bother being even a little orderly. |
| 20:15.02 | gnarface | sighs |
| 20:15.42 | amesser | actually, the post install hook of a package could decide. But this would require some manual handcrafting by the packagers, it wont be handled by deb-builder magic |
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| 20:34.39 | furrymcgee | lets do this ln -s /bin/true /bin/systemctl |
| 20:35.31 | KatolaZ | furrymcgee: which packages? |
| 20:35.39 | KatolaZ | please report them to bugs.devuan.org |
| 20:38.08 | furrymcgee | one is third party repository the other is apache in a devuan chroot that checks pid1 of debian and calls systemctl |
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| 21:31.23 | rwp | It would be good to collect up at least an initial list of packages that are offenders in the systemctl/service issue. To be able to understand the general problem. |
| 21:31.32 | rwp | And then I think it would be beneficial to have a systemctl script in Devuan that calls service after checking that the packge has installed a sysvinit compatible script. |
| 21:31.36 | rwp | If not then it can complain. |
| 21:31.43 | rwp | This could facilitate in automated finding of problems by installing and removing every package in devuan. |
| 21:32.42 | rwp | Did I say "service" in the above? I meant to say "invoke-rc.d" for postinst scripts instead. |
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| 21:34.31 | rwp | Actually... (brain? Where brain?) I meant to say "update-rc.d" since that is really what I meant to say. |
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| 22:39.35 | ttkv | for your edification, application or mirth: |
| 22:39.37 | ttkv | https://capsule8.com/blog/exploiting-systemd-journald-part-1/ |
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