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| 19:48.24 | telmich | hello |
| 19:48.45 | telmich | I think somebody mentioned to have docker running on Devuan and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it? |
| 19:52.04 | debdog | someone mentioned https://github.com/vente-privee/docker-devuan a while ago |
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| 20:25.18 | _stephen_ | Sure do. |
| 20:25.29 | _stephen_ | telmich: I'm using docker under devuan. |
| 20:28.17 | _stephen_ | To get it working, I had to grab the binary files from the docker web site, install cgroupfs-mount, create a docker group, add my user to that group, and put the binaries in the path so that dockerd could find them. On one system I used update-alternatives to put the binaries in the path, on another I just made a shell script that sets environment variables for it. |
| 20:29.24 | _stephen_ | There was an obscure problem with some versions, but it looks like I'm using 18.0.1-ce build e68fc7a on my present system. |
| 20:29.34 | _stephen_ | So I know that one works. |
| 20:32.46 | _stephen_ | I have join/part turned off and I don't know if that person is still even here, but I figure this way I can find these details later when my systems are long gone and I need them again. |
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| 20:33.59 | debdog | _stephen_: try tel<tab> |
| 20:34.09 | debdog | (yes, still around) |
| 20:34.53 | telmich | _stephen_, debdog: thanks a lot for the pointer, will give it a try tomorrow morning! |
| 20:36.37 | _stephen_ | telmich: oh yeah... tab... |
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| 20:43.44 | _stephen_ | telmich: I was trying to find the error I was encountering, but failed. You may run into some really obscure error about paths in sys or proc, and upon googling them you'll find they're a problem that popped up in short window of somewhat recent versions of docker, if you encounter it, you can just try a different version of the binary, if you go that route. |
| 20:46.56 | _stephen_ | It was a somewhat discouraging issue to encounter, too, because it kind of looked like it needed systemd and it absolutely didnt... |
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| 21:48.46 | telmich | _stephen_: that sounds scary - but I'll check |
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| 22:29.12 | shnaps | Hi there! Can I get some help? What can be reason of such situation: I can't startx without sudo after I created .xinitrc in my home directory and just trying to do this "exec volumeicon&"? |
| 22:30.41 | gnarface | shnaps: your ~/.xinitrc needs to start a window manager as it's final action |
| 22:31.26 | gnarface | shnaps: (sudo probably just sets your user to root and home to /root so it would just ignore this ~/.xinitrc in that case) |
| 22:32.00 | gnarface | you might be mixing syntax too |
| 22:32.09 | shnaps | Oh. And when I'm running with root it is loading default xinitrc config? |
| 22:32.19 | gnarface | probably |
| 22:32.42 | gnarface | it's also running it as root, which is widely recognized as a bad idea |
| 22:33.12 | shnaps | Cool, gonna try to fix it |
| 22:33.29 | gnarface | i'm also not sure if you're suposed to mix the "&" and the "exec" syntax in this file though |
| 22:33.33 | gnarface | there's more than one way to write it |
| 22:33.42 | gnarface | i write mine as a full-on bash script |
| 22:33.53 | shnaps | I'm bad with bash. So I have no idea |
| 22:34.06 | gnarface | i use full paths to the executables instead of the "exec" keyword, basically |
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| 22:35.04 | shnaps | So, should I get "which .." and put it in script? |
| 22:35.11 | Latrina | Good evening |
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| 22:35.26 | gnarface | shnaps: it's almost certainly /usr/bin, but yes |
| 22:36.00 | gnarface | shnaps: you meant "which volumeicon" right? not literally "which .." ? |
| 22:36.03 | Latrina | Is there a OpenRC iso somewhere? I have read Devuan offers a OpenRC option but cant find the installer anywhere |
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| 22:36.43 | gnarface | Latrina: it should show up in the regular installer if you're in expert mode. i'm not sure if you have to add it from the "load additional components" menu or not. |
| 22:36.50 | gnarface | *too |
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| 22:37.09 | Latrina | oh great, didn't know. I will give it a go. Thanks man :) |
| 22:37.16 | gnarface | no problem |
| 22:37.34 | gnarface | note that the live image is not the regular installer |
| 22:37.40 | shnaps | Basically, I mean that I definetily will need to write some more stuff like this. But in this case yeah, "which volumeicon" |
| 22:38.50 | shnaps | Latrina, enable it in "load additional components". Should be option like "change init system" |
| 22:38.57 | gnarface | shnaps: here's an example ~/.xinitrc: http://paste.debian.net/1063383/ |
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| 22:39.32 | shnaps | Should it has "#!/bin/bash" at start? |
| 22:39.38 | gnarface | shnaps: yes |
| 22:39.41 | shnaps | Because I definetily miss it |
| 22:40.13 | KatolaZ | Latrina: expert mode, then select "choose-init" when you are offered to load additional components |
| 22:40.14 | gnarface | shnaps: well this might come down to a difference in whether you wanted it treated like a bash script or not. but this has been working for me in more situations than the other format. |
| 22:40.28 | gnarface | shnaps: (over the past 22 years) |
| 22:40.44 | shnaps | Then I'll use it |
| 22:40.46 | Latrina | thank you all guys :) |
| 22:41.22 | KatolaZ | np Latrina |
| 22:41.34 | shnaps | Huh, seems like it is easy, but I been fixing this code/xinitrc for 4 hours now :/ |
| 22:42.00 | gnarface | shnaps: it really might just come down to you using that "exec" line and the "&" together, and it not being sure what to parse it as |
| 22:42.01 | shnaps | But also created basic sh file which I can ran and get all apps/settings, lol |
| 22:42.21 | shnaps | run* |
| 22:42.44 | gnarface | there was some special rule to using the "exec" shorthands. i think .desktop files might have similar rules? i dunno, it confused me too and i gave up and went back to bash |
| 22:42.51 | shnaps | Yeah, changing for full path now. I'll try to restart it in couple minutes |
| 22:43.04 | shnaps | Bash I fine I guess |
| 22:43.26 | gnarface | i mean, it confused me too, and i gave up and went back to bash about 22 years ago and just haven't revisited the issue since |
| 22:43.48 | gnarface | someone might know what's actually wrong |
| 22:44.05 | KatolaZ | what? |
| 22:44.09 | gnarface | most people these days use a gui login though and don't even have this file |
| 22:44.32 | gnarface | KatolaZ: not a bug in the distro. syntax issue in his ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:45.19 | gnarface | KatolaZ: i'm still not sure how to properly use the "exec" keyword in there. |
| 22:45.26 | gnarface | KatolaZ: so i just don't |
| 22:45.27 | KatolaZ | exec is needed to actually replace the shell with the command to be run as the last command in .xinitrc |
| 22:45.58 | KatolaZ | like in: |
| 22:46.00 | KatolaZ | sleep 2 |
| 22:46.00 | KatolaZ | SHELL=/bin/bash sxhkd -c ~/.sxhkd/sxhkd.conf 1>&2 2>/tmp/loglog.txt & |
| 22:46.00 | KatolaZ | exec xmonad |
| 22:46.12 | KatolaZ | no need to put a shebang |
| 22:46.18 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
| 22:46.19 | KatolaZ | .xinitrc is always considered a shell script |
| 22:48.02 | gnarface | i remember removing it once somewhere in 2014-2016 and it stopped working after an update so i had to put it back |
| 22:48.07 | shnaps | This is confusing :/ |
| 22:48.35 | shnaps | What do I supposed to have in this string then? |
| 22:48.37 | shnaps | echo -e "exec volumeicon &" >> /home/shnaps/.xinitrc |
| 22:49.10 | shnaps | I just want to put it in xinitrc and run after i3 loaded |
| 22:49.37 | KatolaZ | then run i3 first |
| 22:49.44 | gnarface | i don't think that works |
| 22:49.50 | gnarface | i think the window manager has to be the last thing you run in there |
| 22:50.25 | gnarface | shnaps: my advice is to run i3wm *last* ... which i know is counter-intuitive but it's also the way i thought it had to be. KatolaZ might have a different way of doing things |
| 22:51.18 | KatolaZ | gnarface: it's not required |
| 22:51.27 | KatolaZ | from the manpage of xinitrc: |
| 22:51.30 | KatolaZ | "An important point is that programs which are run by .xinitrc should be run in the background if they do not exit right |
| 22:51.33 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.36 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.39 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.43 | Latrina | guys, another noob question. Where is the exper-mode supposed to be located? I went in advanced install but I couldnt find anything related to the init system |
| 22:51.45 | shnaps | Oh, I can also show you what have I done! What service do we use to paste scripts? |
| 22:52.01 | gnarface | shnaps: paste.debian.net doesn't have ads |
| 22:52.05 | KatolaZ | Latrina: expert install |
| 22:52.26 | KatolaZ | Latrina: then at a certain point it will ask you to load additional installer component |
| 22:52.34 | KatolaZ | Latrina: there you have to select "choose-init" |
| 22:53.11 | shnaps | So, I been tired because I reinstalled distro a lot for last couple days. And created this http://paste.debian.net/1063385/ |
| 22:53.11 | gnarface | KatolaZ: i re-read that section of the man page but i don't think it's disagreeing with me... |
| 22:53.12 | Latrina | found it |
| 22:53.14 | Latrina | thanks |
| 22:53.28 | KatolaZ | no gnarface |
| 22:53.31 | KatolaZ | it's not disagreeing |
| 22:53.54 | KatolaZ | it's just that the last command should be executed via exec |
| 22:53.58 | KatolaZ | so it will be in foreground |
| 22:54.06 | KatolaZ | and will forbir xinit from exiting |
| 22:54.32 | KatolaZ | but it does not necessarily have to be the window manager |
| 22:54.38 | KatolaZ | it is normally the window manager |
| 22:54.38 | gnarface | hmmm. i see |
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| 22:54.51 | KatolaZ | since you want it to survive until the X server is up |
| 22:54.59 | KatolaZ | (well, as long as the X server is up) |
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| 22:55.08 | KatolaZ | but it could be any program |
| 22:55.30 | KatolaZ | the fact is that xinit exits, and shuts the server down, as soon as the last program in .xinitrc exits |
| 22:55.31 | gnarface | fair enough |
| 22:55.47 | gnarface | i still think there's a lot of stuff in shnaps's example here that probably shouldn't be... |
| 22:55.56 | KatolaZ | haven't seen the example |
| 22:56.05 | gnarface | all these apt-get commands... i don't think that should be in the xorg startup... |
| 22:56.15 | KatolaZ | looking at the link now |
| 22:56.39 | shnaps | This is not horg startup |
| 22:56.41 | KatolaZ | line 3-8 are wrong, IMHO |
| 22:57.00 | KatolaZ | also shnaps, why do you want to install stuff there? |
| 22:57.01 | shnaps | This is just script which supposed to help me with install |
| 22:57.10 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 22:57.28 | KatolaZ | I am confused |
| 22:57.29 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 22:57.42 | shnaps | It is fine, lol |
| 22:57.46 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:57.47 | shnaps | "[01:53] <shnaps> So, I been tired because I reinstalled distro a lot for last couple days. And created this" |
| 22:58.31 | shnaps | I just wanted to automate everything and do post-install script which I can download with git |
| 22:58.40 | shnaps | And etc etc |
| 22:59.05 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:59.07 | KatolaZ | got it now |
| 22:59.15 | KatolaZ | so that's not related to .xinitrc |
| 22:59.33 | KatolaZ | (apart from the fact that the script puts something in .xinitrc) |
| 22:59.35 | shnaps | Nope, only last string in this script |
| 23:00.30 | KatolaZ | shnaps: ok but then gnarface is right in saying that you must have something else in that .xinitrc |
| 23:01.12 | shnaps | Hm, I can try to copy xinitrc from /X11 folder |
| 23:01.19 | shnaps | I seen example somewhere |
| 23:01.49 | KatolaZ | shnaps: what do you want to run in .xinitrc? |
| 23:02.02 | KatolaZ | and, more importantly, are you using any login manager? |
| 23:02.15 | KatolaZ | (like xdm, wdm, slim, etc.?) |
| 23:02.25 | shnaps | Nope, not using right now. Going to use later. Slim or lightdm |
| 23:02.45 | KatolaZ | then just simplify your life |
| 23:02.51 | KatolaZ | get lightdm or slim installed |
| 23:03.03 | shnaps | It is not so interesting! |
| 23:03.09 | KatolaZ | oh boy :) |
| 23:03.17 | gnarface | shnaps: just fyi, this might work as a way to finish an automated install, in principle, but there is actually something called preseeding that's actually for this purpose. you're sortof misusing the ~/.xinitrc here. |
| 23:03.38 | gnarface | that's not why it's not working though |
| 23:03.51 | shnaps | Basically, I want to put in .xinitrc stuff that supposed be in statusbar: wicd, volumeicon, some other icons |
| 23:03.55 | gnarface | but if this did work, your Xorg startup would be really heavy |
| 23:03.56 | KatolaZ | shnaps: then if you want to learn, you need to study |
| 23:04.16 | KatolaZ | shnaps: start with a simple example in .xinitrc |
| 23:04.17 | KatolaZ | like |
| 23:04.25 | KatolaZ | exec xterm |
| 23:04.29 | KatolaZ | and try to see what happens |
| 23:04.33 | KatolaZ | then add stuff later |
| 23:04.33 | shnaps | I have like 15 tabs with different examples and wiki pages rn |
| 23:04.45 | KatolaZ | you can't start with a complex example and expect to make it work |
| 23:04.55 | KatolaZ | walk first, run later |
| 23:04.57 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:05.02 | gnarface | shnaps: a bunch of the lines in this ~/.xinitrc, you wouldn't even want to be running more than once, let alone every time Xorg starts up |
| 23:05.14 | gnarface | shnaps: i agree, try to get it working with a simpler version first :) |
| 23:05.24 | shnaps | Rn my .xinitrc is empty |
| 23:05.38 | gnarface | well, not THAT simple, obviously |
| 23:06.08 | shnaps | And I wanted to have volumeicon everywhere |
| 23:06.14 | KatolaZ | shnaps: minimal viable program |
| 23:06.23 | KatolaZ | put in your .xinirc: |
| 23:06.33 | KatolaZ | exec /usr/bin/xterm |
| 23:07.34 | shnaps | What's next? |
| 23:07.43 | KatolaZ | have you tried? |
| 23:08.02 | shnaps | Not yet. So, do I need to exit i3? |
| 23:08.05 | shnaps | Restart it? |
| 23:08.14 | KatolaZ | obviously |
| 23:08.34 | KatolaZ | how did you start i3? |
| 23:08.36 | shnaps | (I'm just using irc on my laptop rn) |
| 23:08.55 | shnaps | Well, it is a good question |
| 23:09.03 | shnaps | startx and it works |
| 23:09.23 | shnaps | I tried to find place where it is supposed to choose dm but no luck |
| 23:09.31 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 23:09.42 | KatolaZ | do you have other wms installed? |
| 23:09.46 | shnaps | Nope |
| 23:09.54 | shnaps | Fresh install, nothing here |
| 23:09.58 | gnarface | wouldn't it just be /usr/bin/i3wm? |
| 23:10.10 | shnaps | Also, restarting i3 |
| 23:10.30 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:10.31 | KatolaZ | then |
| 23:10.45 | KatolaZ | ls -l /usr/bin/x-window-manager |
| 23:11.11 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 23:11.17 | KatolaZ | ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
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| 23:11.49 | shnaps_ | Yeah, I got idea |
| 23:11.55 | KatolaZ | it will point to i3 |
| 23:12.07 | KatolaZ | actually, that choice is made in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 23:12.33 | KatolaZ | which is launched by X at startup |
| 23:12.54 | KatolaZ | to find out if it should launch a login manager, a window manager, or just xterm |
| 23:13.05 | shnaps_ | KatolaZ, yeah, it is linked to i3! |
| 23:13.09 | KatolaZ | X is launched by xinit |
| 23:13.11 | KatolaZ | actually |
| 23:13.19 | KatolaZ | xinit will first launch the X server |
| 23:13.32 | KatolaZ | then, it will execute ~/.xinitrc to start launching clients |
| 23:14.48 | shnaps_ | So, I have 2 ways here: put code before i3 in .xinitrc or put code in i3config? |
| 23:15.00 | KatolaZ | no shnaps_ |
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| 23:15.16 | KatolaZ | you should not put i3 in .xinitrc |
| 23:15.18 | KatolaZ | there is no need |
| 23:15.22 | KatolaZ | startx will start it atm |
| 23:15.40 | KatolaZ | since Xsession will look for any login manager installed in yout system, and find none |
| 23:16.00 | KatolaZ | then it will look for a window manager, and will find /usr/bin/x-window-manager |
| 23:16.13 | shnaps_ | Which is pointed to i3 |
| 23:16.18 | KatolaZ | (which points to /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager which points to i3) |
| 23:16.29 | KatolaZ | so i3 will be started in any case |
| 23:17.11 | shnaps_ | i3config then? |
| 23:17.41 | KatolaZ | dunno i3 |
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| 23:18.00 | KatolaZ | but you can use ~/.xinitrc if you like |
| 23:19.34 | shnaps_ | Got it! |
| 23:24.58 | Latrina | KatolaZ: got it installed with openwrt |
| 23:25.07 | Latrina | meant openrc lol |
| 23:25.11 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:25.23 | Latrina | you needed a tricky eye to spot it, thanks ^^ |
| 23:25.36 | KatolaZ | you just need to know what to look for :) |
| 23:25.46 | KatolaZ | it will be in expert-install by default in beowulf |
| 23:25.48 | Latrina | yeah, indeed I didnt |
| 23:25.54 | KatolaZ | hopefully with more choices ;) |
| 23:26.15 | Latrina | thats grand. I am going to setup TDE on it now |
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