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| 04:23.02 | mooseface420 | trying to push to github from linux when you have 2FA on is literal AIDS |
| 04:23.54 | mooseface420 | i'm becoming radicalized |
| 04:33.54 | nacelle | you make a special key and use it... whats hard about that? |
| 04:37.07 | mooseface420 | all the documentation is for windows and osx. how am i supposed to store my password. is git config user.name the same as Username for https://github.com ? |
| 04:38.43 | mooseface420 | I've done it on windows and osx before no problem |
| 04:40.47 | mooseface420 | WTF if you copy the token manually it doesn't work |
| 04:41.13 | mooseface420 | now I press the stupid copy to clipboard button and it copies correctly? |
| 04:41.40 | mooseface420 | fuck javascript html and css into the ground forever |
| 04:45.00 | mooseface420 | also, github recommends something called xclip to copy public key because select all + copy is such a shit experience in vi and nano |
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| 04:50.06 | mooseface420 | also, personal access tokens are hidden in "Developer settings" as if the other settings aren't for developers? Who do they think uses github? |
| 04:50.23 | mooseface420 | I don't develop for the github platform |
| 04:51.53 | mooseface420 | also, why can't I see hidden files in the command line? I thought linux was for the hardcore. why is it in bumper bowling mode? |
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| 05:00.27 | mooseface420 | i need to do ls -a every time to disable bumper bowling mode |
| 05:01.13 | gnarface | eh, alot of these complaints are sophomoric and have easy solutions |
| 05:01.30 | gnarface | the ls thing is because you don't want some stuff touching the .files by default |
| 05:01.41 | gnarface | they're not supposed to be just hidden from you, they're hidden from glob matches and stuff too |
| 05:01.49 | gnarface | so scripts rely on that behavior, etc |
| 05:02.03 | gnarface | if you want to override the ls behavior though it's easy to add -a as an alias |
| 05:02.25 | gnarface | check out examples in /root/.bashrc and /home/*/.bashrc |
| 05:02.53 | gnarface | (there should be some commented out examples for common rm/cp/mv aliases) |
| 05:03.55 | gnarface | the copy&paste problem probably has something to do with your javascript-based IDE handling unix newlines or binary data wrong |
| 05:04.26 | gnarface | if you're complaining about the win32 builds of vim/emacs, i know the vim one copy&pastes them wrong but the emacs one doesn't |
| 05:05.34 | gnarface | similarly notepad hoses them, wordpad might not though i think, if the file extension is .txt |
| 05:06.54 | gnarface | (at least in the old days; i've not used windows in a long time) |
| 05:11.37 | mooseface420 | scripts can use a separate command from humans |
| 05:11.44 | mooseface420 | separate but equal |
| 05:14.34 | mooseface420 | Dolphin glitched on my and wouldn't show hidden files even after checking Hidden Files. On top of that it doesn't let me type in a file path to got to or even show the full path by default so I got enraged |
| 05:14.58 | mooseface420 | inexplicably Hidden Files feature working again |
| 05:27.18 | mooseface420 | Linux is the league of legends of operating systems. An exercise in memorization. Except in LoL you can do things with the mouse |
| 05:41.20 | mooseface420 | I figured that files in the Desktop folder would show up on, you know, the desktop and vice versa. But that would make sense |
| 05:44.30 | mooseface420 | the GUI is like a movie set or one of those fake towns in North Korea. It looks like a GUI, but is it really? |
| 05:56.42 | mooseface420 | copyleft has achieved a state of absolute freedom from the oppressive kyriarchy of profit and market demand. Demand is so... demanding. Customers are so needy |
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| 06:05.27 | mooseface420 | imagine telling your secretary to put something on your desk and you find out later she put it in a closet labeled "Desk" |
| 06:06.18 | mooseface420 | sweetie, no. just no |
| 06:06.27 | mooseface420 | that |
| 06:06.33 | mooseface420 | 's what i'd say |
| 06:08.34 | gnarface | well the "Desktop" directory came much later and 1) i don't approve of it 2) on enlightenment, stuff you put in there does show up, so you gotta stop blaming one window manager's limitations on all of Linux |
| 06:09.21 | gnarface | you're seeing a few independent and separately corporate-influenced desktop Linux movements sortof trying to work together but doing it badly |
| 06:09.53 | gnarface | and yea a lot of the drag&drop windows mimicry is just like you describe... feels like a movie set replica of a GUI. i like that one, did you come up with that yourself? |
| 06:10.17 | gnarface | the best thing i can recommend is try a different window manager if you don't like the GUI you have |
| 06:10.49 | gnarface | they all actually tend to differ on a lot of the more subtle behaviors you've come to take for granted from Windows |
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| 06:12.39 | gnarface | as for the memorization... eh, that's good for you. |
| 06:13.08 | gnarface | stuff you use every day will stick in your head whether you want it to or not |
| 06:15.18 | gnarface | stuff you don't use every day, save it in a script |
| 06:19.01 | mooseface420 | yeah I was thinking of the scene from The Interview where they find out the storefronts and food is fake |
| 06:20.17 | mooseface420 | IntelliJ says it requires GNOME or KDE. I have KDE Plamsa going |
| 06:26.05 | KatolaZ | mooseface420: why should a java application require a specific desktop environment? |
| 06:26.08 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 06:26.49 | KatolaZ | wasn't it "Compile once, run everywhere"? |
| 06:27.07 | mooseface420 | I fully support shortcuts but when it's forced it's like a corporate app like Snapchat or Gmail where everything is a heiroglyphic or a gesture. They can't just have a button that says "Reply All" |
| 06:27.38 | mooseface420 | KatolaZ: I know, right? IntelliJ doesn't even run on Java 9+ |
| 06:27.44 | mooseface420 | either |
| 06:28.19 | KatolaZ | mooseface420: how is this connected with GNOME or KDE? |
| 06:28.26 | KatolaZ | (or even related?) |
| 06:28.48 | mooseface420 | Snapchat and Gmail are too cheap to translate simple words into 30 languages so they stick a stupid double arrow thing there and make you memorize what it means |
| 06:29.32 | mooseface420 | Java is supposed to be backwards compatible. intellij is written in java. |
| 06:30.22 | mooseface420 | Java and UI don't have the best track record |
| 06:31.40 | mooseface420 | It probably just means they only test it on GNOME and KDE |
| 06:31.45 | mooseface420 | who knows |
| 06:32.13 | mooseface420 | probably a lawyer told them to cover their ass |
| 06:32.13 | KatolaZ | mooseface420: again, this is just BS |
| 06:32.27 | KatolaZ | you simply need a running X11 |
| 06:32.29 | KatolaZ | fullstop |
| 06:32.57 | KatolaZ | there is no damn reason why an IDE should require a particular DE |
| 06:33.12 | KatolaZ | unless you believe in fairies :) |
| 06:33.27 | mooseface420 | "System requirements GNOME or KDE desktop" I'll take them at their word |
| 06:34.02 | KatolaZ | mooseface420: doing stuff without thinking is why most of the software today is so damn wrong and bloated |
| 06:34.09 | KatolaZ | just install the jar |
| 06:34.15 | KatolaZ | and run it |
| 06:35.43 | mooseface420 | at least they won't get sued for false advertising |
| 06:35.54 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 06:39.48 | mooseface420 | inb4 'requires systemd' |
| 06:40.38 | KatolaZ | what is inb4? |
| 06:41.22 | KatolaZ | another java marvel? |
| 06:41.24 | mooseface420 | it's kind of like saying 'first!' |
| 06:41.28 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 06:41.32 | KatolaZ | sure |
| 06:41.47 | KatolaZ | intelliJ requires systemd? |
| 06:41.56 | mooseface420 | lol no |
| 06:42.01 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 06:43.05 | KatolaZ | sorry my sense of humor is still sleeping |
| 06:43.30 | mooseface420 | by inb4 i mean I'm (jokingly) predicting that next they'll say they require systemd |
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| 06:49.27 | gnarface | mooseface420: a lot of times the reason they require a specific desktop environment is just to predict some shared libraries you could install yourself anyway, or some minutia of window/mouse focus and stacking behavior that you could configure other desktops to mimic, too |
| 06:49.56 | gnarface | if you can figure out what it's expecting, maybe you can make other stuff do it |
| 06:51.38 | KatolaZ | yeah mooseface420, I got it in the end :D |
| 06:52.49 | mooseface420 | it it correct to use apt-get to install on root then use those packages on normie user |
| 06:53.03 | gnarface | yes |
| 06:54.04 | mooseface420 | i'm getting permissions issues with both apt and gradle package on normal user after installing that way |
| 06:54.26 | mooseface420 | I tried purge removing and installing again but same thing |
| 06:55.05 | gnarface | the "normie" user is not expected to have access to everything by default. i'm not familiar with gradle but apt would require root permission by default... |
| 06:55.31 | gnarface | some stuff requires you to add your normie user to some system group to get access by default |
| 06:55.39 | man_in_shack | just run everything as root instead |
| 06:55.40 | gnarface | some stuff may require a filesystem permission change |
| 06:55.42 | gnarface | kinda depends what it is |
| 06:55.49 | man_in_shack | like how lindows/linspire did |
| 06:55.54 | gnarface | yea, you can run everything as root, lol |
| 06:55.59 | mooseface420 | now i miss sudo |
| 06:56.03 | man_in_shack | everyone always needs full write access to everything in /dev |
| 06:56.16 | man_in_shack | especially nvram |
| 06:56.22 | gnarface | i wouldn't recommend running everyting as root, but you can install sudo. it's in the repo. it will also require you to change your damned group though i think... |
| 06:56.56 | man_in_shack | set up sudo so only root can run it |
| 06:57.05 | gnarface | well that's silly |
| 06:57.09 | man_in_shack | (: |
| 06:57.12 | gnarface | i just recommend don't set it up passwordless |
| 06:57.27 | gnarface | that's a real bad idea, security-wise |
| 06:58.00 | man_in_shack | keep your /home in a ramdisk for added security |
| 06:58.37 | mooseface420 | I planned on reinstalling the os anyway since the first time through I was just trying to get dual boot working. I'll probably choose the sudo option instead of separate root acct |
| 07:00.35 | mooseface420 | separate root account makes me type password three times often. once to switch to root, once to switch back and again to refresh sources |
| 07:11.03 | mooseface420 | have you ever used Run command... to run apt-get and lock yourself out of apt because it's hung waiting for user input? i did that the other day |
| 07:12.03 | man_in_shack | no |
| 07:12.20 | man_in_shack | if i gotta run a command-line app, i Run a terminal first :P |
| 07:12.48 | man_in_shack | i did accidentally delete /lib once. that was fun to recover from |
| 07:23.09 | mooseface420 | wow, no one told me about kate. screw nano |
| 07:23.25 | mooseface420 | double screw vi |
| 07:24.11 | mooseface420 | people who use vi should be branded and treated as cattle |
| 07:26.16 | Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: are you a democrat? |
| 07:26.26 | mooseface420 | no y |
| 07:26.28 | man_in_shack | replces mooseface420's kate with emacs |
| 07:26.57 | man_in_shack | vim > vi > manually adjusting electrons with lasers > emacs |
| 07:27.59 | Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: your rhetoric sounds awfully childish just like a typical lefty democrat... |
| 07:28.22 | mooseface420 | my name is mooseface420 |
| 07:28.28 | mooseface420 | you were expecting? |
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| 07:29.03 | Centurion_Dan | not that I care... but come on... really "people who use vi should be branded and treated as cattle" !!??? |
| 07:29.10 | mooseface420 | democrats are all into copyleft n shiet. not me |
| 07:29.57 | Centurion_Dan | I use vim/vi pretty much everywhere... |
| 07:30.10 | mooseface420 | vi is an affliction. there's a vaccine for alzheimers soon. why not for vi? |
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| 07:30.28 | man_in_shack | the fuck you both high on? |
| 07:30.38 | Centurion_Dan | and I aint no cattle... you try to round me up and brand me, and I'll give you both barrels and then some. |
| 07:30.47 | Centurion_Dan | :-P |
| 07:31.47 | mooseface420 | with that attitude i might ban scripting languages too |
| 07:32.28 | man_in_shack | why stop at scripting languages? |
| 07:32.32 | man_in_shack | ban all compiled languages too |
| 07:33.04 | man_in_shack | especially C, and all software written in C, or uses libraries that depend on C |
| 07:33.07 | mooseface420 | ban anything with grep or consecutive backslashes |
| 07:33.13 | man_in_shack | cos denis ritchie was such a fucking communist |
| 07:33.58 | man_in_shack | "hey guys, i just wrote a groundbreaking, world-changing programming language" "cool, how much you charging for it?" "nothing. also here's the source code" "KILL THE COMMUNIST" |
| 07:34.01 | mooseface420 | Trump would run BSD. Why am I in GPL land lol |
| 07:34.21 | man_in_shack | no |
| 07:34.22 | Centurion_Dan | shoves a bar of soap in man_in_shack's mouth, and starts strapping on ammo belts.. |
| 07:34.30 | man_in_shack | trump would run trumplicense software |
| 07:34.53 | man_in_shack | every time you copy, run, use, or think about the software, you owe trump $50000 |
| 07:35.06 | mooseface420 | deport -rf *.* |
| 07:35.10 | man_in_shack | ^ |
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| 07:37.12 | mooseface420 | my professor said I should use vi because moving my hand to the mouse and back takes too long. like bish i'm an engineer not a stenographer |
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| 07:39.41 | mooseface420 | Nietzsche never used vi in his life |
| 07:44.32 | mooseface420 | holy shit what if my professor just had really slow arms... |
| 07:45.02 | mooseface420 | never thought of that. he did resemble an elephant |
| 07:45.29 | mooseface420 | Centurion_Dan: do you have slow arms? |
| 07:47.50 | Centurion_Dan | honestly, I don't know... what do you consider to be slow?? |
| 07:48.14 | mooseface420 | < 0.5 m/s |
| 07:48.51 | Centurion_Dan | I just detest using the crtl-key for every editor action.... otherwise I'd use emacs.... |
| 07:49.22 | Centurion_Dan | then again vi is an editor whilst emacs is an operating system.... |
| 07:49.37 | Centurion_Dan | (or pretends to be one)... |
| 07:49.45 | Centurion_Dan | baldy.... |
| 07:49.51 | Centurion_Dan | :-p |
| 07:50.26 | mooseface420 | hating ctrl is like hating puppies |
| 07:50.38 | Centurion_Dan | < 0.5ms to punch you in the face?? Na, I can do that no problem :-D |
| 07:50.57 | Centurion_Dan | well I hate puppies... |
| 07:51.13 | Centurion_Dan | so that sounds about right... |
| 07:51.25 | mooseface420 | how do you throw grenades in videogames |
| 07:52.42 | Centurion_Dan | with a launcher mostly, better accuracy and distance, and less risk of being exposed and shot up |
| 07:52.48 | mooseface420 | maybe my professor's mouse sensitivity was also stuck in the 70s |
| 07:53.25 | mooseface420 | ball mice and all |
| 07:53.26 | KatolaZ | mooseface420: use whatever you like |
| 07:53.37 | KatolaZ | your professor has become a professor using vi... |
| 07:53.37 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 07:53.53 | mooseface420 | those who can do... |
| 07:54.12 | Centurion_Dan | hi KatolaZ |
| 07:54.13 | KatolaZ | learn vi |
| 07:54.17 | KatolaZ | is a god skill to have |
| 07:54.19 | KatolaZ | hi Centurion_Dan |
| 07:54.20 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 07:55.14 | mooseface420 | I probably type like 50 wpm |
| 07:57.24 | KatolaZ | wpm? Wumps-per-millennium? :P |
| 07:57.38 | mooseface420 | womp-womps per lewandowski |
| 07:58.26 | KatolaZ | what would be wwpl |
| 07:58.35 | KatolaZ | s/what/that |
| 07:58.55 | mooseface420 | tomato tomato |
| 07:59.04 | KatolaZ | 50 wpm are such only if there are 50 legible words at the end of the minute :P |
| 08:06.47 | golinux | is using a ball mouse atm |
| 08:08.20 | mooseface420 | terminals and file explorers are like east and west berlin and developers are the wall |
| 08:10.33 | mooseface420 | right-click, select open in terminal. type 'open x', opens in explorer. but the technology just isn't there yet |
| 08:12.03 | mooseface420 | the PhDs are working on it I hear |
| 08:14.38 | mooseface420 | actually TempleOS had something like that |
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| 11:24.20 | xkr47 | mooseface420, :D |
| 11:24.48 | xkr47 | had? :) |
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| 11:56.08 | furrymcgee | in qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1G -nographic --enable-kvm -append 'console=ttyS0 r |
| 11:56.20 | furrymcgee | oot=/dev/sda1 rw' |
| 11:56.45 | furrymcgee | there is no login prompt after sshd started |
| 11:57.42 | furrymcgee | this is devuan qemu running in a terminal |
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| 11:59.45 | furrymcgee | inittab can be changed to serial |
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| 12:07.47 | mooseface420 | xkr47: well the sole developer died, but the OS has a basically a terminal with GUI features. You can click on dirs. |
| 12:08.06 | xkr47 | yeah it is cool |
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| 12:20.51 | jyri | 0,8758 |
| 12:21.07 | jyri | hmm, sorry about that |
| 12:22.50 | xkr47 | it's a good number |
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| 13:45.46 | errandir1 | furrymcgee: the login prompt comes from an executable like getty/agetty/etc. Is your inittab starting that on the serial port? |
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| 16:01.18 | stripe | hi all, anywhere I can get information about Devuans compatibility with amd graphics cards? cheers |
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| 16:04.37 | KatolaZ | stripe: the same info available for debian will hold for devuan |
| 16:04.47 | KatolaZ | (if you consider matching releases) |
| 16:07.20 | stripe | KatolaZ: thank you, it looks like my gpu is not supported in debian-stable, cheers :) |
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| 16:10.59 | KatolaZ | stripe: sorry for that |
| 16:11.00 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 16:13.14 | stripe | KatolaZ: no worries, will try devuans development and unstable branches :) |
| 16:13.59 | KatolaZ | stripe: beowulf is currently under work |
| 16:14.15 | KatolaZ | some stuff might not working perfectly yet |
| 16:14.28 | KatolaZ | especially session-related stuff |
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| 16:14.50 | debdog | is tad pissed at AMD, too |
| 16:15.13 | stripe | KatolaZ: perhaps I might be able to commit some fixes then :) |
| 16:15.44 | KatolaZ | please do |
| 16:15.55 | KatolaZ | report bugs/patches in the BTS please |
| 16:15.55 | debdog | might⢠be able to solve my issue with a newer, self compiled kernel. but building (AKA configureing) a kernel is much more tedious than it used to be |
| 16:16.42 | KatolaZ | debdog: start from an existing config |
| 16:16.55 | debdog | I know |
| 16:16.59 | KatolaZ | no need to start from scratch |
| 16:17.13 | KatolaZ | and yes, it is a bit more tedious than 15 or 20 years ago |
| 16:17.16 | KatolaZ | it's bigger |
| 16:17.29 | debdog | so many options do not have a proper help text anymore |
| 16:17.32 | KatolaZ | and most of the stuff is useless |
| 16:17.43 | KatolaZ | yeah but that's mainly for drivers |
| 16:17.58 | KatolaZ | features are still documented reasonably well |
| 16:18.02 | KatolaZ | IMHO |
| 16:18.19 | stripe | debdog I have found the later kernels tend to work with the amd gpu, but in debian you need to add the firmware-amd-graphics? package as well. |
| 16:18.43 | KatolaZ | stripe: that firmware is available in devuan |
| 16:18.50 | debdog | stripe: my GPU might or might not work with amdgpu |
| 16:18.54 | KatolaZ | comes straight from debian |
| 16:19.58 | debdog | mayhap I can get a patch for fglrx for newer kernels from gentoo or such |
| 16:20.06 | stripe | KatolaZ: will give that a try first, I presume newer kernels will be available from a backports repo? |
| 16:20.41 | KatolaZ | stripe: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 16:20.59 | KatolaZ | (4.18 is in there, BTW) |
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| 16:21.18 | stripe | KatolaZ: thanks very much, have fun everyone :) |
| 16:21.27 | KatolaZ | o/ |
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| 16:40.19 | furrymcgee | errandir1: there is no prompt in the guest unless inittab is changed from "getty 38400 tty1" to "getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100" |
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| 23:31.25 | drwhite | Howdy peeps... What needs to be installed so that the system can recognise multiple graphics cards and use them all at once? Or is that something that has been removed? Or is it something that can be added quickly please? |
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| 23:44.52 | djph | like SLI? |
| 23:46.49 | drwhite | no. |
| 23:47.19 | djph | so just randomly throwing two or more cards in the pc? |
| 23:48.17 | drwhite | I have CPU and Discrete |
| 23:48.24 | drwhite | that makes 2 |
| 23:48.55 | djph | and you inly plug into one ... |
| 23:49.03 | djph | *only |
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| 23:49.35 | djph | unless its a laptop, and you've got to slap primusrun or whatever AMD uses. |
| 23:51.25 | drwhite | primusrun? |
| 23:51.34 | drwhite | I don't have to do that with other version of Linux. |
| 23:51.47 | drwhite | Ubuntu doesn't have it and it can run 2 GPUs fine. |
| 23:53.46 | djph | primus is nvidia's split-gpu laptop tech. dunno what amd does. |
| 23:54.34 | djph | for a desktop, one normally ignores the cpu ... though ive always had enough outputs on the nvidia cards ... |