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| 04:42.06 | haxmeister_ | I need some help with new install. is anyone active? |
| 04:42.41 | haxmeister_ | it seems that after installing using the netinst from USB I suddenly do not have working wifi |
| 04:43.07 | haxmeister_ | the hardware switch is a lighted button that indicates that it is "off" and will not come on when pressing it |
| 04:43.45 | haxmeister_ | the laptop was working fine before this install so it must surely be some tweaking to do |
| 04:43.54 | haxmeister_ | can anyone offer guidance? |
| 04:46.54 | rrq | maybe it's missing installed firmware for the wifi device |
| 04:47.44 | Anselmo | could also try the rfkill program, some laptops I've seen default to locking out wifi devices under linux |
| 04:48.11 | Anselmo | and some have like, hidden software switches that dont get handled easily |
| 04:48.17 | haxmeister_ | is rfkill on the standard install? |
| 04:48.26 | haxmeister_ | I'm familiar with rfkill |
| 04:49.17 | Anselmo | uh, I dont think it is |
| 04:49.30 | haxmeister_ | hmm. |
| 04:49.38 | Anselmo | have you run this laptop under linux before and not hadthis issue ? |
| 04:49.59 | haxmeister_ | rfkill available as root |
| 04:50.02 | Anselmo | or, cause I dont think that particualr issue is distro specific |
| 04:50.04 | Anselmo | oh, kay |
| 04:50.10 | haxmeister_ | I'm moving over from funtoo |
| 04:50.17 | haxmeister_ | a source distro |
| 04:50.37 | Anselmo | kay |
| 04:52.42 | haxmeister_ | looks like I got it |
| 04:52.59 | haxmeister_ | so glad rfkill was there |
| 04:53.00 | haxmeister_ | lol |
| 04:53.01 | haxmeister_ | ty |
| 04:55.22 | haxmeister_ | yes sir.. connected right up |
| 04:55.35 | haxmeister_ | gotta do something so I don't have to do that every boot |
| 04:55.50 | haxmeister_ | maybe a startup script.. but that kinda dodgy |
| 04:58.41 | haxmeister_ | first time using the gui to install a package... pretty intuitive |
| 04:58.48 | haxmeister_ | hexchat installing |
| 04:59.28 | haxmeister_ | is chrome available or we just doing chromium on this distro? |
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| 05:02.13 | haxmeister_ | here we go |
| 05:02.19 | haxmeister_ | now on actual machine |
| 05:06.07 | haxmeister_ | this is exciting |
| 05:06.53 | haxmeister_ | I hope you guys don't mind me asking stupid questions until I get to know devuan |
| 05:08.17 | Anselmo | hehe, well, that seems like it might be the poiint in part :P |
| 05:08.59 | haxmeister_ | devuan have completely separate repo from debian? |
| 05:10.14 | Anselmo | the repos are seperate, I imagine some of the packagebuilds are rather directly lifted from debian but I dont really follow specific details of development |
| 05:10.52 | haxmeister_ | ok |
| 05:11.38 | haxmeister_ | luckily there's this nice GUI to get me started until I learn the package manager from the term |
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| 17:54.25 | fsmithred | test |
| 17:56.02 | debdog | echo |
| 17:56.43 | fsmithred | I was just trying to figure out the times in the irclogs |
| 17:56.58 | fsmithred | nobody said anything in here for 12 hours |
| 17:59.19 | unixman | So, no problems for 12 hours = Best Linux Distribution! ;) |
| 17:59.28 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:59.57 | fsmithred | I've always claimed that debian is boring, and that's one of its best points. Too bad it got interesting in the last few years. |
| 18:00.05 | Anselmo | I think you want problems per user-hour |
| 18:00.07 | Anselmo | :P |
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| 18:02.31 | unixman | How does one determine "per user-hour" without spying on users? :P |
| 18:03.27 | fsmithred | just go by the user list in this channel and extrapolate to the rest of the world |
| 18:03.43 | Anselmo | well, I suppose the easiest might be to force it to zero by never releasing anything :P |
| 18:04.40 | Anselmo | more realistically I'm not sure, could probably guess number of active users by like,repository access, and then maybe run some surveys to try and characterize the userbase voluntarily |
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| 18:34.13 | KatolaZ | maybe we don't need to know how many active users are there (unless they actually want to let us know, e.g. via popcon)? |
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| 19:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((without spying)) *some* users will appreciate deliberate participation in such "spy program", reporting either their installation instances or even continuous uptime hours reports |
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| 19:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think an opt-in would be conceived as welcome feature |
| 19:12.24 | _abc_ | Hello. I'm on ascii. I have a problem also seen with ubuntu?! gnu maxima seems to be broken, the errors it throws are related to lisp. |
| 19:12.28 | _abc_ | Can anyone confirm this? |
| 19:12.30 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: it's already there |
| 19:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh :-) |
| 19:12.39 | KatolaZ | it's called popularity-contest |
| 19:12.43 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:12.48 | _abc_ | my maxima is: Maxima 5.38.1 http://maxima.sourceforge.net |
| 19:12.48 | _abc_ | using Lisp GNU Common Lisp (GCL) GCL 2.6.12 |
| 19:13.11 | KatolaZ | _abc_: I used maxima on ascii |
| 19:13.17 | KatolaZ | I am now on beowulf and it works just fine |
| 19:14.11 | _abc_ | To see the bug, simply start maxima, then type: (%i1) ? integrate -> this throws the error |
| 19:14.20 | _abc_ | Interesting KatolaZ what version do you have please |
| 19:14.40 | KatolaZ | _abc_: on beowulf it's 5.42.1 |
| 19:15.25 | KatolaZ | it looks like you are missing the doc package |
| 19:15.35 | _abc_ | Hmm good one. |
| 19:15.49 | KatolaZ | apt-get install maxima-doc |
| 19:16.28 | _abc_ | did it, fixed |
| 19:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos popularity: inmaemo we counted number of unique IPs in access logs of repo during a typical check-for-updates-periodically timeframe |
| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure it has quite some error rate, but nevertheless gives a good rough idea about number of installations |
| 19:19.22 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: pretty poor way of estimating it |
| 19:19.39 | KatolaZ | anyway, in every fortnight that number has been well over 30K for pkgmaster |
| 19:19.42 | KatolaZ | 30K unique IPs |
| 19:19.52 | KatolaZ | on each 14-days period |
| 19:20.17 | KatolaZ | (these is excluding bots and including only IPs that request packages or release files) |
| 19:20.55 | KatolaZ | my guess is that the actual number of Devuan installation is somewhere between 60K and 90K, at least |
| 19:21.23 | _abc_ | How does one refer to a previous result in maxima cli again? rationalize(%o3); fails |
| 19:21.49 | _abc_ | I retract that. Did write %03... |
| 19:24.14 | _abc_ | Wow I forgot the little I knew. What's the output converter/formatter to get a numeric value? Semantically opposite to rationalize() ? |
| 19:24.21 | amnesia_ | hey! I need some help, can I ask here? |
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| 19:25.13 | amnesia_ | I'm stuck after upgrading to beowulf, I can't start X. Any guesses? |
| 19:26.15 | Centurion_Dan | amnesia_: upgrade to ceres. Beowulf is probably still in a broken state... |
| 19:27.12 | Centurion_Dan | what were you running before the upgrade? ascii of jessie, and what DE and login manager? |
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| 19:27.40 | amnesia_ | I was running ascii, with both XFCE4 and I3wm |
| 19:27.50 | Centurion_Dan | and slim? |
| 19:28.02 | amnesia_ | yes |
| 19:28.25 | amnesia_ | I log on slim and presents me a black screen |
| 19:29.10 | amnesia_ | on console I can see the following error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 |
| 19:29.18 | Centurion_Dan | you probably need consolekit ... |
| 19:29.51 | Centurion_Dan | I've just pushed a new version to experimental last night ... you could try that: |
| 19:30.50 | Centurion_Dan | Add 'deb http://deb.mirror.org/devuan experimental main' to your apt sources and install consolekit |
| 19:32.17 | amnesia_ | Should I leave the 'deb ... beowulf' part to? |
| 19:32.39 | Centurion_Dan | yup |
| 19:33.05 | Centurion_Dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.29 | Centurion_Dan | but I do suggest ceres as more likely to be working at this stage |
| 19:33.53 | _abc_ | What is the role of consolekit? Login manager etc? |
| 19:34.05 | _abc_ | Does *bsd use consolekit?! |
| 19:34.57 | amnesia_ | Which consolekit version should I be looking for? It says i'm already on the newest version (0.4.6-6) |
| 19:34.58 | Centurion_Dan | _abc_ yes, *bsd would use consolekit (although elogind might be an option these days) |
| 19:35.29 | Centurion_Dan | amnesia_: you did `apt update`? |
| 19:35.39 | amnesia_ | Yepp |
| 19:35.48 | Centurion_Dan | and you'll need to install it this way: |
| 19:36.06 | Centurion_Dan | apt install -t experimental consolekit |
| 19:37.51 | amnesia_ | it says experimental is invalid for APT::default release, not available in this source |
| 19:38.12 | amnesia_ | :( |
| 19:38.31 | Centurion_Dan | ?? |
| 19:39.18 | Centurion_Dan | paste your /etc/apt/sources ?? |
| 19:39.24 | amnesia_ | Sorry, i'm translating the errors because my terminal language is not english. |
| 19:40.04 | Centurion_Dan | that's fine... |
| 19:40.06 | debdog | use "LANG=C command" to make 'em english |
| 19:41.58 | amnesia_ | https://pastebin.com/gN1629AG |
| 19:47.42 | amnesia_ | to change to ceres, should I keep the three separate lines for main, security and updates, like for ascii? |
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| 19:54.56 | _abc_ | Fwiw installing and deinstalling octave, which unfortunately now has a windows 3.11 style gui instead of pure cli (octave-cli is also installed), and now maxima seems to work fine. |
| 19:55.13 | _abc_ | Which has me stumped but my goal was reached, maxima works... |
| 19:55.14 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 19:58.43 | golinux | amnesia_: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 |
| 19:59.21 | golinux | Beowulf desktop is still broken. That should help you sort things |
| 20:03.17 | amnesia_ | thank you for the link <golinux> |
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| 20:31.48 | amnesia_ | So, one last question. Anyway to downgrade do ascii from the broken beowulf state I am now? |
| 20:35.46 | Centurion_Dan | amnesia - possibly, but it means hand picking packages from ascii and forcing them. |
| 20:37.05 | Centurion_Dan | you could try to follow the path in that post... or wait a few hours while I fix the situation in ceres. |
| 20:40.49 | amnesia_ | Since it is kind of a new install I think it will be better to nuke it all and start again. Anyway, thank you for your help, i'm very happy with how helpful this community is everytime |
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| 20:47.08 | Centurion_Dan | your welcome ;-) |
| 20:47.12 | Centurion_Dan | it' |
| 20:48.13 | Centurion_Dan | is great to have people willing to try and run the bleeding edge and help us polish it ;-) |
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| 23:34.14 | Xenguy | Trip report (in this case from the trailing edge ; -) : |
| 23:34.32 | Xenguy | Installed Jessie on a fresh hard drive last night... |
| 23:35.07 | Xenguy | My plan was to do the install, then: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.20 | Xenguy | Upgrade to ASCII I mean |
| 23:36.03 | Xenguy | It chose the Expert Install option, and all was good until the Boot Loader phase... |
| 23:36.50 | Xenguy | I got some error message (which I stupidly did not write down) that basically said GRUB couldn't write the MBR, and it was EFI-related... |
| 23:37.16 | Xenguy | When the install went forward, it was clear I had no boot loader configured... |
| 23:37.50 | Xenguy | Then I noticed an option for LILO of all things, so I tried that and it seemed to work, where GRUB had not... |
| 23:38.40 | Xenguy | (The only problem with LILO is that while it boots up OK, it is very slow, like maybe a pause of like 45 seconds while it completes some 'BIOS check' or w/e... |
| 23:38.43 | Centurion_Dan | Xenguy: Anything on the edge like that, if it's not in the console to be captured, have a camera handy or better still a video camera to capture the messages. |
| 23:38.44 | Xenguy | ) |
| 23:39.00 | Xenguy | Centurion_Dan: Makes sense |
| 23:39.44 | Xenguy | Anyhow, I'm wondering if I'd have any better luck just installing straight to ASCII: would it play any nicer with EFI than Jessie would? |
| 23:40.06 | Xenguy | Oh BTW this is my first time using an SSD hard drive... |
| 23:40.12 | Centurion_Dan | It makes it easier for debugging and being able to reproduce given issues. |
| 23:40.25 | Xenguy | And also the first time I've ever had a problem writing to the MBR |
| 23:40.46 | Centurion_Dan | Xenguy: Ascii should be better with EFI then jessie, but Jessie worked fine too.. |
| 23:41.18 | Xenguy | Centurion_Dan: OK, maybe I'll see if I can snag Ascii with this install, then try installing it... |
| 23:41.37 | Xenguy | I'm also wondering if maybe I need to tweak the BIOS settings for EFI at all? |
| 23:41.57 | Centurion_Dan | (U)EFI does require an EFI partition - I'd suggest atleast 10MB, and recommend gpt. |
| 23:42.05 | Centurion_Dan | instead of mbr |
| 23:42.26 | Xenguy | I'm a bit allergic to messing with those areas of the disk honestly |
| 23:42.35 | Xenguy | If I have to I could, but I try not to |
| 23:42.59 | Xenguy | Duly noted, in any case |
| 23:43.43 | Xenguy | I may just try setting 'Legacy Mode', if there is one, to ON |
| 23:43.49 | Centurion_Dan | dreams of getting paid to setup a complete automatation test harness for virtual and physical system installs |
| 23:44.12 | Xenguy | That's a lovely vision |
| 23:44.14 | Centurion_Dan | just do manual partitioning... |
| 23:45.05 | Xenguy | cfdisk, or ...? |
| 23:45.07 | Centurion_Dan | (one day I'll get around to fixing the partitioning templates to properly do UEFI)... |
| 23:45.53 | Centurion_Dan | in the first partition menu on the installer you get the option to select "manual partitiioning" |
| 23:46.38 | Xenguy | Are you suggesting I use that opportunity to configure this 'EFI partition' you referred to? |
| 23:46.52 | Centurion_Dan | yup |
| 23:47.09 | Xenguy | Taken under advisement |
| 23:47.26 | Xenguy | thank you |
| 23:47.45 | Centurion_Dan | ;-) |
| 23:48.30 | Xenguy | I can't IRC while I'm installing, so I'll be offline |
| 23:49.07 | Xenguy | Gonna try an install of Ascii if I can, and will capture any error message this time |
| 23:51.30 | Centurion_Dan | Cool! |
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