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| 00:55.15 | DRWhite | Hi folks, how hard would it be for me to create my own respository from yours? |
| 00:56.24 | fsmithred | there are directions for that at the forum: dev1galaxy.org |
| 00:56.46 | fsmithred | at least a couple of threads |
| 00:58.46 | DRWhite | thanks, jsut htoguth I'd ask how hard it owuld be, I'lll look there then. |
| 00:59.04 | fsmithred | I don't think it's very difficult |
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| 01:00.46 | golinux | DRWhite: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt |
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| 01:19.45 | gnarface | did that issue with apt-cacher-ng ever get fixed for devuan? |
| 01:20.19 | gnarface | DRWhite: it's probably worth noting that most people don't actually need a real mirror. a caching proxy for apt is usually sufficient for most purposes |
| 01:20.36 | gnarface | (and takes a lot less disk space) |
| 01:21.19 | gnarface | i liked apt-cacher-ng because it was easy to set up and also actually shows you statistics about how much bandwidth it saved you |
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| 01:44.29 | cirdan | i used to use a twisted based mirror long ago |
| 01:44.32 | cirdan | i forget what it was |
| 01:44.46 | cirdan | was basicly a cache |
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| 01:50.26 | DRWhite | gnarface: I don't want a simple proxy. I want to set it for that. |
| 01:52.13 | cirdan | set what for what |
| 01:53.05 | DRWhite | Set my PC to use that as the repository |
| 01:53.10 | cirdan | sure |
| 01:53.15 | cirdan | https://wiki.debian.org/AptCacherNg |
| 01:53.26 | DRWhite | Not going to use a cacher. |
| 01:53.46 | cirdan | well with that one you set the cacher to use the proxy and it holds all your downlaoded packages |
| 01:54.06 | cirdan | DRWhite: how much storage/bandwidth do you plan on setting aside for this? |
| 01:54.12 | DRWhite | I'll be synchronising the server manually with the upstream (Devuan) |
| 01:54.19 | cirdan | right |
| 01:54.23 | cirdan | DRWhite: how much storage/bandwidth do you plan on setting aside for this? |
| 01:54.25 | DRWhite | Then I'll be using that server to update all the ones I want to update |
| 01:54.35 | DRWhite | that way when I reinstall I just get it from the local. |
| 01:54.47 | gnarface | DRWhite: so, if you just want to mirror the Devuan packages that's completely accomplishable but you'll still be slurping packages from Debian's mirrors in that case. i fyou want a full mirror of the whole distro including the Debian-original stuff, the size is a bit prohibitive from a disk space perspective. that's really the difficult part. |
| 01:54.49 | cirdan | yeah that's what the proxy does |
| 01:55.12 | cirdan | it saves the packages you install locally so you only have to fetch them once |
| 01:55.13 | DRWhite | I'll be fetching from DEVUAN, yes. |
| 01:55.31 | cirdan | DRWhite: it'll be faster to not mirror it then |
| 01:55.40 | DRWhite | As for Disk requirements... a few GB is easy enough. |
| 01:55.41 | cirdan | you can use lftp to mirror the devuan site |
| 01:55.51 | cirdan | a few gb? haha umm |
| 01:55.52 | DRWhite | I'll just sync it. |
| 01:55.57 | gnarface | DRWhite: *TERABYTES* |
| 01:56.12 | cirdan | yeah go buy an 8tb drive for the mirror's use only ;) |
| 01:56.27 | cirdan | and spend a few days to populate it |
| 01:56.33 | cirdan | then a few hours/day to update it |
| 01:56.51 | DRWhite | Won't take up 8 Terabytes. |
| 01:57.12 | cirdan | not today |
| 01:57.18 | DRWhite | It might if I'm grabbing every mirror and every version and everything of everything. |
| 01:57.33 | DRWhite | When I need what I need, I sync that repo. |
| 01:57.39 | DRWhite | Then I can use that repo. |
| 01:57.47 | DRWhite | download once, use many times. |
| 01:58.03 | DRWhite | If I want the PC to use only the remote repos, then I can set it up for that. |
| 01:58.03 | cirdan | https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt |
| 01:58.17 | DRWhite | But I want it inside my local network. |
| 01:58.23 | DRWhite | not running as a proxy persae. |
| 01:58.50 | cirdan | thats exactly what the proxy does. you set your local machines to use that and it gets the package you want if it doesn't have it already downloaded |
| 01:58.56 | cirdan | it's local |
| 01:58.56 | DRWhite | Because if I set up as a proxy, it still goes off to the main server and checks if it has updated. that will still consume a lot of bandwidth. |
| 01:59.02 | DRWhite | I don't want to do that. |
| 01:59.13 | DRWhite | I want it local and only local and only to check for updates when I want it to |
| 01:59.16 | cirdan | you are not thinking clearly. the packages take up terabytes |
| 01:59.20 | cirdan | not gigs |
| 01:59.22 | gnarface | DRWhite: i'm not actually sure what the size is. i'm not sure you can keep it under 1TB even if you only mirror one architecture |
| 01:59.33 | DRWhite | I'm thining more clearly than you it seems, maybe because I know what I want, and you do not. |
| 01:59.47 | cirdan | you think you know what you want. it's the frustrating part |
| 01:59.48 | DRWhite | gnarface: I'll only be getting the main. |
| 02:00.09 | DRWhite | cirdan: I don't just THINK I knokw what I want, I actually DO KNOW what I want AND NEED |
| 02:00.12 | cirdan | you can't easily just pick and chose which packages you want to mirror, and which versions |
| 02:00.27 | cirdan | and then you have to manually create the packages db for your clients |
| 02:00.30 | DRWhite | gnarface: Just need to get the repos I need so that I can keep it all only local for my many many installs. |
| 02:01.04 | cirdan | DRWhite: what is the problem with using the proxy? it does *all* the work for you and keeps the bandwidth to a minium. and used space |
| 02:01.05 | gnarface | DRWhite: hmm. well in that case the issue you'll probably run into is just making the mirror software do that. as i recall from having this conversation in #debian a few years ago, the standard mirror setup is pretty much all-or-nothing and there's no existing solutions in the wild to make it do partials |
| 02:01.08 | DRWhite | gnarface: I don't want to have the system checking the remote (because of being a proxy) every time I want a package. It's just rhediculous when you are doing 300 installs a day. |
| 02:01.29 | cirdan | the system doesn't check the remote though |
| 02:01.35 | DRWhite | gnarface: Hmm, okay, I'll have to make one then. |
| 02:01.37 | cirdan | the proxy does. and it caches the answer! |
| 02:01.58 | gnarface | DRWhite: (maybe that's changed, it's been a couple years) |
| 02:02.01 | DRWhite | gnarface: I think I have the solution for that. Is simple enough to accomplish. |
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| 02:02.32 | DRWhite | gnarface: lol, true that. I'llhave a peek anyway and see if ther eis. Because if it is an ALL OR NOTHING situation, then I'lll just have to take it all. |
| 02:02.40 | cirdan | if you are doing 300 installs per day you should just image the first install |
| 02:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dudes, play nice! |
| 02:03.03 | gnarface | DRWhite: if you *only* back up main, and *only* back up amd64 and i386 you can still have a usable mirror. the trick then is just making it smart enough to do that, and i can't help. (some packages are "all" architectures) |
| 02:03.16 | cirdan | DocScrutinizer05: just trying to save him from himself! |
| 02:03.26 | cirdan | anyway i found the mirror instructions: https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ok, but please polite |
| 02:04.34 | cirdan | hrm. files. doesn't have ftp running? |
| 02:04.40 | DRWhite | gnarface: exactly, and that's why I'd do it manually, because I don't need EVERYTHING, and jsut an rsync would do the trick. |
| 02:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, ^^^ seems to be for file mirror, not repo |
| 02:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | files != repo |
| 02:06.10 | cirdan | hmm it says release archives are there |
| 02:06.11 | gnarface | DRWhite: not to take you off your plan but have you heard of refracta? |
| 02:06.26 | gnarface | DRWhite: it might be a shorter path to what you want to accomplish |
| 02:06.36 | cirdan | ah images |
| 02:06.50 | cirdan | still, would think you could ftp the isos... |
| 02:09.00 | cirdan | so stable has ascii, ascii-security, ascii-updates you might want local |
| 02:09.05 | cirdan | there's also backports |
| 02:12.15 | cirdan | oh yeah. pool (where the debs live) isn't seperated by dist, but by package name |
| 02:12.45 | cirdan | lftp can run du on it to let you know what you'll need for storage |
| 02:13.11 | cirdan | still in the L's |
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| 02:17.17 | cirdan | anyway, please look at https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ as it does exactly what you want in the end. you can even give it a list of packages to pre fetch for you. local machines go through the proxy which only gets new packages when they change upstream. if you get enough you basically have a full mirror auto updated |
| 02:18.04 | cirdan | night all |
| 02:19.52 | furrywolf | I missed the start of this conversation, but I've just been rsyncing the .debs around. |
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| 02:20.48 | furrywolf | I copy all new files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to a usb drive, then back onto whatever box I'm about to update or install things on |
| 02:22.21 | gnarface | i like that solution. it's elemental and doesn't require new functionality. |
| 02:22.34 | fsmithred | could even make that an nfs share |
| 02:25.18 | fsmithred | I want to know how to do 300 installs in a day |
| 02:25.36 | furrywolf | it's easy. just hire about ten helpers. |
| 02:25.46 | fsmithred | oh, right |
| 02:35.37 | furrywolf | if all the installs are similar, cloning is probably your best bet |
| 02:36.22 | Xenguy | Does puppet still exist? |
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| 02:55.49 | furrywolf | speaking of cloning, what's the easiest way to switch to a new hard drive these days? dd then resize the partitions? |
| 02:56.10 | buZz | i tend to just make tarball of /home and reinstall the rest |
| 02:57.01 | furrywolf | that's a lot more work |
| 02:57.15 | buZz | keeps things fresh and exciting :P |
| 02:57.50 | furrywolf | it's a linuxcnc box running hardware. I don't want it fresh or exciting. |
| 02:58.30 | buZz | boo :P |
| 02:58.38 | buZz | then just dd away |
| 02:58.54 | furrywolf | still waiting on the ide to sata adapter... |
| 03:00.24 | buZz | i just dug up a 1GB CF card to give to someone trying to pimp out a 486 at the hackerspace :P |
| 03:01.36 | furrywolf | this is a toughbook with only ide... want to put a 480GB SSD in it, that's sata... yay adapters! |
| 03:02.24 | buZz | :) they do make pata ssds though, dont they? |
| 03:02.52 | buZz | yeah stuff like https://www.ebay.com/p/64gb-KingSpec-2-5-inch-Pata-ide-SSD-Solid-State-Disk-MLC-Flash-Sm2236-Controller/2254889324 |
| 03:03.00 | furrywolf | only small ones |
| 03:03.13 | furrywolf | also, this is what I have spare. :P |
| 03:03.22 | furrywolf | adapter is much cheaper than new drive. |
| 03:03.42 | buZz | ah that helps yeah ;) |
| 03:03.51 | buZz | in my sony vaio i put a 1.8" zif pata ssd :P |
| 03:03.59 | buZz | really made it fly |
| 03:04.38 | furrywolf | I have a 480GB samsung gathering dust... |
| 03:04.53 | buZz | yeah you just mentioned ;) |
| 03:04.57 | furrywolf | the 120GB spinny drive in it now is too slow, too small, and possibly not always working at power on... |
| 03:05.45 | furrywolf | (sometimes on resume from hibernate it simply fails during the restore process, and I'm not convinced the problem isn't a drive error) |
| 03:05.56 | buZz | smartctl not showing anything? |
| 03:06.40 | furrywolf | dunno, haven't checked. I want a ssd anyway. :P |
| 03:06.49 | buZz | ^_^ |
| 03:06.54 | furrywolf | and more space, so I don't need to keep things on a microsd card stuck in the back... |
| 03:06.55 | buZz | no need to justify it to me :P |
| 03:07.19 | buZz | i'm running 2x samsung 850 evo's in raid0 , just because i dont have PCIe 3.0 for best M2 NVMe speeds ;) |
| 03:07.46 | furrywolf | raid0, eww. |
| 03:08.05 | furrywolf | more like raid -1, since one drive failing kills two drives of data. :P |
| 03:08.14 | buZz | more like yolo |
| 03:08.38 | buZz | its just a workstation anyway, if the disks crash i just need to reinstall devuan and restore /home from most recent backup :) |
| 03:08.50 | furrywolf | in any case, with an old (pentium M) IDE-only laptop, there's only so much you can do by boosting disk speeds... one ssd will be plenty. :P |
| 03:09.19 | buZz | sure, but if you had another free ata port , you could get double the speeds ;) |
| 03:09.50 | furrywolf | some people put a second hard drive in the optical bay.... but I don't see the point. |
| 03:10.15 | buZz | probably uses more power anyway |
| 03:10.22 | buZz | if there's even batterylife left :) |
| 03:10.34 | furrywolf | about six hours. :P |
| 03:10.37 | furrywolf | toughbook++ |
| 03:10.51 | buZz | nice, what production year on the battery? |
| 03:11.02 | furrywolf | dunno |
| 03:11.07 | furrywolf | it's not here to check |
| 03:11.49 | buZz | busy cnc'ing? :) |
| 03:12.05 | furrywolf | I've yet to actually have a toughbook battery fail... genuine panasonic cells seem quite good. |
| 03:12.50 | buZz | we had a bunch of toughbooks at my old work, they did end up dying after ~1000-2000 charges like typical laptop batteries |
| 03:12.56 | buZz | cycles* |
| 03:13.12 | furrywolf | panasonic makes almost every part in the toughbooks, except the major silicon... yay vertical integration. heh. |
| 03:14.06 | furrywolf | I don't cycle them that often. usually they spend most of their time on the ac adapter. |
| 03:14.13 | buZz | yeah, matsushita kotobuki is alright in my book :P |
| 03:14.34 | buZz | (official name of panasonic) |
| 03:14.56 | buZz | or, original |
| 03:15.40 | furrywolf | one of their advertising campaigns was basically "made in japan with no chinese components"... |
| 03:16.14 | buZz | they're a proud nation alright |
| 03:17.08 | furrywolf | alas, they've since backed down on that, and now outsource to china just like everyone else. because profit. |
| 03:19.25 | furrywolf | the toughbooks are still mostly made in japan, but most other panasonic stuff is china these days. |
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| 04:16.47 | DRWhite | gnarface: I've heard about refracta before, but that still isn't what I want or need I don't think. Unless it has progressed a fair bit since I last looked at it, which was a while ago, so I'll take another look. thanks for the reminder about it. But I still think that it won't be right for what I'm after. |
| 04:17.33 | DRWhite | Does nayone here know how to get their password for http://dev1galaxy.org/ ? |
| 04:17.43 | DRWhite | I've tried resettings several times. |
| 04:18.14 | DRWhite | I click the link, then go to login wiht the password that they have given me, and it keeps telling me that it's wrong. |
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| 06:55.37 | terra | anyone able to install gvfs on beowulf? Seems that it can't be installed due to the gvfs-daemons' systemd dependencies. |
| 06:56.36 | terra | gvfs needed for removable media support for file managers like Thunar and PCManFM |
| 06:58.58 | KatolaZ | terra: stick with the ascii packages atm |
| 06:59.11 | KatolaZ | we will be fixing beowulf soon |
| 07:04.23 | terra | KatolaZ: I was installing ascii before but decided to try beowulf first time yesterday. |
| 07:05.37 | KatolaZ | terra: answered your question |
| 07:05.53 | terra | I installed it from scratch and configured for my needs then this situation came up after 3 hours I spent. |
| 07:05.57 | KatolaZ | beowulf is not ready for use on the desktop with all the bells and whistles |
| 07:06.00 | terra | KatolaZ: I know. |
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| 08:15.22 | Centurion_Dan | gvfs depends on libsytsemd0 last time I looked... libelogind0 also fills the role... that said I haven't looked at beowulf or unstable versions. |
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| 08:42.11 | terra | Centurion_Dan: Can you update the gvfs packages to drop systemd dependencies? |
| 09:06.56 | Centurion_Dan | libsystemd0 is relatively inert... there are no direct deps on systemd |
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| 09:44.56 | xrogaan | patch your xorg peeps |
| 09:46.50 | xrogaan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.36 | KatolaZ | terra: just keep ascii repos enabled, and apt should be able to find elogind and libelogind |
| 10:30.40 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 10:30.49 | KatolaZ | libpam-systemd |
| 10:30.57 | KatolaZ | which is in the dep chain of udisks2 |
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| 11:07.10 | terra | Centurion_Dan: I disabled recommendations at apt.conf, so whatever the reason is, that should be pushed as a direct dependency , probably by udisks2 |
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| 11:10.30 | Centurion_Dan | ok.. I'll be working on unstable and beowulf stuff in the next few days. |
| 11:15.03 | cirdan | you can also do cf-ide or sdcard-ide |
| 11:15.09 | cirdan | :) |
| 11:15.17 | cirdan | for old stuff |
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| 11:42.56 | Centurion_Dan | cirdan: ?? |
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| 12:10.00 | cirdan | sorry screen was on old scrollback where ppl were talking abou tupgrading old machines like a toughbook |
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| 12:10.12 | cirdan | i use irssi + screen so it happens :) |
| 12:11.59 | jordila | when trying to 'tar xvf myfile.tar.xz ' i get ' tar (child): xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory' answer ... what am i missing ? Some basics ... probably ? |
| 12:12.24 | cirdan | do you have xz installed? |
| 12:12.35 | fsmithred | jordila, you're missing "J" |
| 12:12.49 | fsmithred | and maybe xz-utils |
| 12:13.12 | jordila | xz-utils are installed. |
| 12:13.19 | fsmithred | xvJf |
| 12:13.37 | cirdan | for a more universal way try xz -d myfile.tar.xz | tar -xvf |
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| 12:15.23 | KatolaZ | jordila: man tar |
| 12:15.25 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 12:16.36 | cirdan | generally I read "xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory" as no xz in the path it's looking in |
| 12:16.54 | cirdan | which is why i suggested seperate commands to check |
| 12:27.23 | jordila | fsmithred: when 'tar xvJf myfile.tar.xz ' i get ' tar (child): xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory' answer ... |
| 12:27.50 | fsmithred | what about 'ls myfile.tar.xz'? |
| 12:28.22 | fsmithred | I always use -xvJf but I'm not sure it matters |
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| 12:31.59 | jordila | cirdan: when 'xz -d myfile.tar.xz | tar -xvf ' i get 'bash: xz: command not found | tar: option requires an argument -- 'f' |
| 12:31.59 | jordila | ' |
| 12:32.50 | fsmithred | f wants a file name, but you're giving tar standard output instead |
| 12:32.59 | cirdan | ah yeah |
| 12:32.59 | fsmithred | you shouldn't need the f there |
| 12:33.00 | cirdan | my bad |
| 12:33.05 | fsmithred | but where is xz? |
| 12:33.06 | cirdan | but the first part is the main part |
| 12:33.12 | cirdan | xz: command not found |
| 12:33.13 | fsmithred | 'which xz' |
| 12:33.23 | fsmithred | or 'whereis xz' |
| 12:33.30 | cirdan | mine is xz: /usr/bin/xz /usr/share/man/man1/xz.1.gz |
| 12:33.40 | fsmithred | yeah, I'd expect it in /usr/bin/ |
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| 19:53.39 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 19:53.56 | cousin_luigi | I've only recently installed devuan in a vm and for some reason I can't install the package rcconf. |
| 19:54.02 | cousin_luigi | Is it blacklisted for some reason? |
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| 20:09.04 | Centurion_Dan | cousin_luigi: pastebin the output. |
| 20:11.23 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: https://paste.opensuse.org/04dfa0b4 |
| 20:11.59 | Centurion_Dan | package doesn't exist... |
| 20:12.44 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/rcconf_3.2.html |
| 20:12.50 | Centurion_Dan | what release and pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:17.18 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: https://pastebin.com/raw/ZF5xn8Kt |
| 20:19.15 | Centurion_Dan | ok... delete /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list ... it's superfluous for a start |
| 20:20.10 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: no change |
| 20:20.24 | Centurion_Dan | the in /etc/apt/sources.list change http://packages.devuan.org to http://deb.devuan.org |
| 20:20.33 | Centurion_Dan | and do apt update |
| 20:20.44 | Centurion_Dan | then try installing rcconf again. |
| 20:21.36 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: no change |
| 20:22.16 | cousin_luigi | Can you see that package on your system? |
| 20:23.16 | Centurion_Dan | pastebin of the "apt update" and "apt install rcconf"?? |
| 20:24.35 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: https://pastebin.com/raw/rn2xBQW9 |
| 20:25.18 | xrogaan | there should be a small utility to check whether or not a package is blacklisted. |
| 20:26.10 | Centurion_Dan | oh... your /etc/apt/sources.list is missing the line: |
| 20:26.18 | cousin_luigi | xrogaan: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt not listed here |
| 20:26.26 | Centurion_Dan | deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan ascii main |
| 20:26.43 | Centurion_Dan | hold on... |
| 20:26.51 | cousin_luigi | Centurion_Dan: Actually, no. |
| 20:26.55 | cousin_luigi | That line is there. |
| 20:27.14 | cousin_luigi | Is it in some extra repository perchance? |
| 20:27.14 | Centurion_Dan | should be deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main |
| 20:27.32 | cousin_luigi | In addition to that or instead of that? |
| 20:28.02 | Centurion_Dan | in addition to deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main |
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| 20:28.42 | cousin_luigi | excellent, that did the trick |
| 20:28.44 | cousin_luigi | TYVM |
| 20:28.53 | Centurion_Dan | your welcome... |
| 20:29.40 | cousin_luigi | What's the difference btw? |
| 20:30.18 | cousin_luigi | And doesn't devuan have the main/updates distinction? |
| 20:30.27 | Centurion_Dan | that line your missing was for the normal 'ascii' packages repo |
| 20:30.40 | Centurion_Dan | 'ascii-security' is for security updates only |
| 20:30.49 | xrogaan | this one exists too deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main non-free contrib |
| 20:31.22 | Centurion_Dan | that's for post release updated packages |
| 20:32.22 | Centurion_Dan | ones that aren't security critical.. and they usually move across to the stable repo for a point release.. |
| 20:32.47 | cousin_luigi | Well, that's like debian |
| 20:39.53 | cousin_luigi | gn |
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| 23:23.01 | gnarface | E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease' changed its 'Label' value from 'Master' to 'Devuan' |
| 23:23.06 | gnarface | this was supposed to happen, right? |
| 23:25.23 | Jjp137 | I think so, see: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181008.095146.96d76872.en.html |
| 23:25.53 | gnarface | thanks |
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