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| 14:46.33 | stevelitt | What command do I use to discover all the files created by a given package? |
| 14:53.22 | furrymcgee | dpkg -L package |
| 14:55.50 | stevelitt | Thanks furrymcgee , I confirm that command did what I needed. |
| 14:56.34 | muep | it does not cover files created from maintainer scripts, but for well written packages it covers at least nearly everything |
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| 15:49.05 | mint | Hi I have a problem - after dist-upgrading to beowulf my encrypted disk stopped working (there shows only the grub shell). I've tried chrooting and updating grub, but it didn't work. Is there a fast way to fix this, or should I just reinstall the system and never do dist-upgrade again? |
| 15:52.55 | fluffy_pigeons | Hi I have a problem - after dist-upgrading to beowulf my encrypted disk stopped working (there shows only the grub shell). I've tried chrooting and updating grub, but it didn't work. Is there a fast way to fix this, or should I just reinstall the system and never do dist-upgrade again? |
| 16:05.44 | fluffy_pigeons | ok nevermind, I'll just reinstall it. |
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| 17:04.40 | FatPhil | My emacs-nox is very crashy on my RasPi - I get Fatal error 6: Aborted every couple of days |
| 17:32.02 | buZz | FatPhil: have you analyzed the powersupply of your raspi? |
| 17:32.16 | buZz | using underpowered powersupplies on those leads to unstable performance |
| 17:33.19 | muep | also can happen with a bad-quality supply even if it is not underpowered |
| 17:34.24 | buZz | hmhm if it wobbles around on voltages too much |
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| 18:22.15 | Xenguy | What does the 'DNG' (mailing list) actually stand for? |
| 18:24.06 | buZz | debian's not gnome |
| 18:24.50 | Xenguy | Huh, interesting, must be historical reasons behind this I assume |
| 18:25.17 | buZz | Xenguy: because of all the noobs that reinstall distros just to change WM ;) |
| 18:25.42 | Xenguy | hah, very noobish indeed |
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| 18:45.51 | OmegaPhil | I think GNOME was a leading cause of nastiness in Debian, along with the idea it was the main important desktop, as though others weren't as important |
| 18:46.40 | Xenguy | OmegaPhil: That's my impression as well (e.g. GNOME 3) |
| 18:46.47 | OmegaPhil | yeah |
| 18:47.33 | buZz | OmegaPhil: i dont see why |
| 18:47.44 | buZz | gnome3 was never mandatory on debian |
| 18:47.52 | buZz | nor did underlying distro change to accomodate it |
| 18:48.05 | OmegaPhil | You'll have to go back a few years to read the history |
| 18:48.09 | OmegaPhil | departs |
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| 19:42.28 | golinux | buZz: Try Devuan's not Gnome |
| 19:42.46 | buZz | golinux: yeah, the list is older then devuan though |
| 19:42.48 | buZz | so its not that |
| 19:43.11 | golinux | It was started at the time of the GR |
| 19:43.16 | golinux | afaik |
| 19:43.20 | buZz | yes |
| 19:43.26 | buZz | but devuan was founded -on- the ML |
| 19:43.28 | buZz | not prior |
| 19:44.17 | buZz | i love that the ML description references RFC1855 <3 |
| 19:44.18 | golinux | Hah! You're right! dng � Debian is not GNOME first discussion list |
| 19:45.01 | buZz | golinux: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141022.170821.6ba43028.en.html |
| 19:45.07 | buZz | first mail to the list from jaromil |
| 19:45.24 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141022.170821.6ba43028.en.html |
| 19:45.30 | buZz | golinux: no worries, i love you too ;) |
| 19:45.41 | golinux | Ha! Yes. Hugs |
| 19:45.47 | buZz | stay passionate \o /me -> doctor who |
| 19:46.42 | golinux | What can I say. I'm old and get confused sometimes |
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| 20:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | last call for this term's devuan/community IRC cloaks. If you want one, /join #devuan-community-cloak *now* and check the instructions in /topic |
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| 22:08.53 | gnarface | i just want to state for the record that i think the devuan community cloaks are about as bad of an idea as suggesting everyone add their genders to their name tag |
| 22:08.56 | gnarface | great way to start a fight |
| 22:09.00 | gnarface | poor way to do anything else |
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| 22:11.07 | gnarface | i get the concept of "showing support" but i think honestly it's really just exposing more attack surface. |
| 22:11.32 | gnarface | i fear any attention it draws to the project will be more negative than positive |
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| 22:28.21 | Xenguy_ | Really gnarface ? |
| 22:28.45 | Xenguy_ | For me it's just about showing support |
| 22:29.10 | gnarface | it gives up stealth, that's all |
| 22:29.29 | Xenguy_ | I think I see your point |
| 22:30.03 | Xenguy_ | I'm still going to go for the devuan cloak; it's a way of showing support |
| 22:38.59 | buZz | its the same privacy removal as putting a devuan sticker on your laptop really |
| 22:39.06 | buZz | there's no stealth to cloaks whatsoever |
| 22:51.30 | golinux | <Xenguy_> Really gnarface ? Yes. It's about as silly as 'buntu beans or Discourse badges. |
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| 22:57.55 | gnarface | could be just my paranoia, but i guess we'll see |
| 22:58.47 | gnarface | i guess it bears more explanation |
| 22:59.02 | gnarface | it's not just the unnecessary risk i see |
| 22:59.27 | gnarface | i really thought it would be better for the project if nobody thought it was very popular until after it was already very popular |
| 22:59.28 | golinux | If DNG is any indication, it's likely the rhetoric will be increasing |
| 22:59.47 | gnarface | if it quietly just gained users at a steady speed until it had achieved a silent majority |
| 23:00.38 | golinux | There are elements in Debian who really want Devuan to go away because we have been hanging on and new users coming in consistently |
| 23:01.03 | golinux | You are on DNG aren't you? |
| 23:01.35 | gnarface | no actually |
| 23:01.57 | gnarface | i probably should be |
| 23:01.58 | golinux | Well then you are out of the loop. |
| 23:02.04 | golinux | Hold on |
| 23:02.48 | golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2419 |
| 23:07.12 | gnarface | thanks for the info |
| 23:07.17 | gnarface | i had already heard some people mention it |
| 23:07.24 | gnarface | but thanks for the link |
| 23:08.33 | Xenguy | golinux: Well we'll agree to disagree in this case then |
| 23:08.46 | Xenguy | I'm all for wearing the colors at this point |
| 23:08.57 | Xenguy | It's just a +1, no big deal |
| 23:09.24 | Xenguy | And besides, it's an individual thing in this case I think |
| 23:10.31 | Xenguy | Besides, you're already flying the 'dev' colors I see = ) |
| 23:12.54 | golinux | gnarface: Form somewhere in that thread: "Devuan is� questionable, when one�s used to all of Debian." |
| 23:13.13 | golinux | Completely misinformed about what Devuan is. |
| 23:13.40 | gnarface | yea, this is the type of thing i'm talking about. weaponized willful ignorance |
| 23:13.42 | Xenguy | define "questionable", I'd say |
| 23:13.42 | golinux | And this really pissed me off: |
| 23:13.44 | golinux | Several people have said they believe that to be the end of Devuan, |
| 23:13.44 | golinux | and I concur, from what I�ve read. |
| 23:14.03 | golinux | That is all one quote from that thread |
| 23:14.07 | gnarface | yea of course they think it's impossible to find a maintainer for sysvinit |
| 23:14.11 | Xenguy | Aha, the Naysayers have landed |
| 23:14.14 | gnarface | but it can't be all that hard |
| 23:14.55 | Xenguy | I'm surprised there's no one to pick up on the sysvinit work |
| 23:15.07 | Xenguy | But there probably is, somewhere in the wings |
| 23:15.28 | Xenguy | It is important work tho |
| 23:15.42 | gnarface | on craigslist ad away |
| 23:15.43 | Xenguy | If someone steps up, they better be steady about it |
| 23:15.47 | Xenguy | hah |
| 23:15.48 | gnarface | *one craigslist ad away |
| 23:16.40 | Xenguy | It may have to be One Of Us |
| 23:17.05 | Xenguy | OOU |
| 23:17.13 | Xenguy | The Usual Suspects |
| 23:17.17 | Xenguy | TUS |
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| 23:38.20 | mtnman | helo |
| 23:42.54 | Xenguy | Ola |
| 23:44.52 | Xenguy | hola? |
| 23:55.39 | golinux | Xenguy: Read the DBG archives. You are totally out of the loop at this point |
| 23:55.48 | golinux | Oops DNG |
| 23:56.15 | Xenguy | So what's the lastest news |
| 23:56.17 | Xenguy | ? |
| 23:56.57 | Xenguy | Somebody's got to step up to maintain sysvinit, no? |
| 23:57.27 | golinux | Start here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181017.131446.60f5cf0c.en.html |
| 23:58.14 | Xenguy | sigh, OK. I do appreciate timely info, so thanks, but there's so many rabbit holes too... I suppose this is an important issue |
| 23:58.37 | golinux | We were having a discussion on -dev until Ed decided to post to DNG and then . . . well. |
| 23:58.52 | golinux | The most important since the fork. |
| 23:59.25 | Xenguy | Oh gawd |