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| 10:18.29 | filipdevuan_ | hey is there anybody who knows how to configure nvidia optimus here on devuan?? |
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| 10:29.53 | TwistedFate | is there anybody who can help filipdevuan_ to set his nvidia optimus? |
| 10:30.35 | filipdevuan_ | oh dont worry :P i can live without it :D. maybe you know if theres any chance to take geforce out from my laptop?? |
| 10:31.28 | filipdevuan_ | id be glad to sell it for some ram memory :D |
| 10:32.33 | djph | filipdevuan_: they're soldered in |
| 10:32.36 | TwistedFate | heh, dunno about that, i don't really know much about laptops |
| 10:32.46 | TwistedFate | where ya from filipdevuan_? |
| 10:33.07 | filipdevuan_ | do you ask me where i live or where i was born?? :P |
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| 10:33.59 | TwistedFate | hah, dunno.. both i guess? :D |
| 10:35.17 | filipdevuan_ | uhh im in england for some time now but was born in poland |
| 10:36.22 | TwistedFate | ah, i asked because your name, it's also used in serbia :) |
| 10:36.44 | filipdevuan_ | oh i get it now :P no worries :D |
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| 11:00.06 | filipdevuan_ | oh gnarface i got it running like out of the box!!! thanks!!!! i typed optirun bash and nothing has happened oh how nice im gonna type down these packages to my notepad for future, thanks again lol. and i couldnt make it for hours yesterday ;d |
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| 11:05.23 | TwistedFate | filipdevuan_: glad you got it working :) |
| 11:08.57 | filipdevuan_ | yeah im surprised as well cuz it took like 5 minutes yesterday i struggled for hours |
| 11:11.02 | gnarface | it's usually like that |
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| 11:25.13 | filipdevuan_ | yeah thanks again. because i basically wanted to install devuan and get all my favourite windows game running on it but i couldnt start without configuring bumblebee properly and ihad problems with it but now its ok and i know what packages are needed so thanks :-) |
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| 11:28.59 | gnarface | you're welcome |
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| 12:49.14 | wyatt8740 | Quick question. Does devuan have an option for using systemd but with a different init system? If so, is it maintaining systemd-shim? (it seems to be out of date in Debian Sid proper) |
| 12:52.27 | wyatt8740 | and is devuan still using vdev? (it looks like it's no longer being maintained on github) |
| 12:53.08 | wyatt8740 | never mind that second question, found this https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/vdev |
| 12:53.13 | wyatt8740 | first one still stands |
| 13:00.22 | KatolaZ | wyatt8740: systemd cannot be installed in devuan if you use only devuan repos |
| 13:04.32 | KatolaZ | wyatt8740: if you need systemd, you should probably use debian |
| 13:04.39 | djph | ^ |
| 13:07.21 | wyatt8740 | I just don't want it as my init system because it inevitably screws things up |
| 13:07.36 | wyatt8740 | (at least on three of my four systems) |
| 13:07.52 | wyatt8740 | and systemd-shim is no longer being maintained apparently in debian proper |
| 13:08.54 | wyatt8740 | also, I have one POWER architecture machine that can't run devuan so I definitely will keep trying to get debian working on that one |
| 13:11.46 | KatolaZ | wyatt8740: you are probably better off using debian |
| 13:12.02 | wyatt8740 | ok, thanks. |
| 13:12.06 | KatolaZ | wyatt8740: we are struggling to keep alternatives to systemd alive |
| 13:12.22 | KatolaZ | we don't have time/will to add support for systemd |
| 13:12.31 | KatolaZ | especially since it gets to much attention already in Debian |
| 13:12.39 | KatolaZ | s/to /so |
| 13:13.34 | wyatt8740 | I understand. Devuan's "big point" is absolutely no systemd |
| 13:14.36 | MinceR | if only that implied no libsystemd as well |
| 13:14.39 | KatolaZ | wyatt8740: systemd is the reason why Devuan exists |
| 13:14.59 | KatolaZ | MinceR: we are working on that |
| 13:15.04 | KatolaZ | (wishing is cheap :P) |
| 13:15.53 | MinceR | :) |
| 13:17.55 | fsmithred | wyatt8740, mxlinux uses sysvinit but has systemd installed |
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| 13:29.13 | Digit | returning to my nvidia issue. tried the installer got from nvidia's site. after managing to get stuff uninstalled to keep it happy, it now still complains it does not like the 4.17.0-3-amd64. leaves me head-scratching, unsure what next. maybe from repos again? what's best practice for nvidia in devuan? (i got told/guided last time but forgot) |
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| 13:32.39 | fsmithred | Digit, is it complaining about the kernel itself or about the headers or gcc? |
| 13:42.54 | Digit | looking in the log it points to, i see a dkms log it then points to, in that one it mentioned headers. |
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| 14:00.28 | fsmithred | are the headers for the running kernel installed? apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 14:19.01 | Digit | says that's already the newest. reading back in that log, i couldnt see anything that suggested the kernel/headers were mismatched, but did say major/minor versions mismatch ... so, i'm guessing force reinstalls n reboot to new kernel or something like that? |
| 14:19.21 | Digit | oops, edit fail |
| 14:19.30 | Digit | versions of gcc |
| 14:22.02 | Digit | 7.3.0 (Debian 7.3.0-28) does not match (Debian 8.2.0-7) 8.2.0 |
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| 14:56.29 | Digit | cheating with --no-cc-version-check when running the nvidia installer |
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| 15:00.11 | Digit | kludged my way to startx launching to unuseable blackness. :3 making progress. :) |
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| 15:04.41 | GyrosGeier | Digit, that's why I normally use "sleep 5" as session manager when testing |
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| 15:07.20 | Digit | ah, running slim, n all's well. back in. of course. |
| 15:08.17 | Digit | thanks fsmithred for the pointers to get me unstuck again. thnx everyone for putting up with my blah blah |
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| 15:13.11 | fsmithred | Digit, the usual way is to start the command with 'env CC=/path/to/version-used-to-compile-your-kernel' |
| 15:13.20 | fsmithred | which is usually not the default version in debian. |
| 15:13.33 | fsmithred | only time I've seen them match is when running testing |
| 15:17.04 | GyrosGeier | isn't there a dkms package that takes care of that? |
| 15:18.58 | fsmithred | don't know. It's been a couple years since I've done that. |
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| 15:46.12 | ServiceRobot | hello denizens of the virtual space! |
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| 16:04.02 | golinux | Hi ServiceRobot |
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| 20:21.41 | filipdevuan_ | hey im trying to run battle.net app under wine but i get failed to create graphics context and this is output from terminal https://paste.debian.net/1047828/ can anybody help me please :( |
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| 20:24.14 | filipdevuan_ | ok it seems like it runs under older version of wine-staging how to downgrade?? |
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| 22:24.43 | gnarface | i've got a curiosity... why is pkginfo.devuan.org no longer showing "steam" as present? it's still showing in jessie through sid on packages.debian.org |
| 22:25.56 | gnarface | the "steam-devices" package is present but there should also be "steam" and "steamcmd" packages |
| 22:26.37 | gnarface | "apt-cache search" is still showing steam in the repos so this may be a recent issue |
| 22:35.51 | fsmithred | gnarface, pkginfo show me steam in ascii, beowulf and ceres, but not in jessie |
| 22:36.29 | gnarface | that's curious. not for me. |
| 22:36.36 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy says it's in jessie, too |
| 22:36.45 | gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=steam&release=ascii |
| 22:36.57 | gnarface | this page doesn't show it in anything |
| 22:37.03 | gnarface | but does show steam-devices |
| 22:37.07 | fsmithred | I selected 'any' for suite |
| 22:37.26 | gnarface | no change for me |
| 22:38.05 | gnarface | it's showing steam-devices in ascii, beowulf, and ceres, but not showing steam or steamcmd anywhere |
| 22:38.29 | fsmithred | if I search for steam in ascii, I get same result as the link you posted |
| 22:38.37 | fsmithred | just steam-devices |
| 22:38.37 | xrogaan | so I might have crashed my gpu with glmarks2, forcing the system to reboot. But I can't find anything in the logs. |
| 22:38.48 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:39.00 | fsmithred | I only found steam-devices on my first search |
| 22:39.08 | fsmithred | but in the suites I mentioned |
| 22:39.34 | gnarface | yea. that's the behavior i'm seeing. it's showing steam-devices but not the other two packages |
| 22:40.08 | xrogaan | isn't steam a virtual package? |
| 22:40.28 | fsmithred | tell you in a couple seconds |
| 22:40.45 | xrogaan | you want steam-launcher. |
| 22:41.15 | fsmithred | xrogaan, does glmarks2 create heat? Check temps/dust. |
| 22:42.06 | fsmithred | yes, steam is a virtual package |
| 22:42.19 | xrogaan | yeah, glmarks is a benchmark tool. But heat was ok. |
| 22:42.53 | Acacia | try stress-ng |
| 22:43.01 | fsmithred | I get unexpected temperature reboots every once in awhile |
| 22:43.17 | xrogaan | steam launcher is supposed to install the bootstrap and the extra apt list |
| 22:43.48 | xrogaan | fsmithred: I mean, it's alright if it reboots. But there should be a message somewhere. |
| 22:44.31 | xrogaan | probably that my gpu couldn't handle some stuff though |
| 22:46.15 | xrogaan | where are the sources for pkgingo? |
| 22:48.04 | gnarface | maybe on git.devuan.org somewhere |
| 22:48.22 | Jjp137 | it looks like the main part of it is here: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/d1pkgweb |
| 22:48.33 | Jjp137 | and the search page(?) is here: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/d1pkgweb-query |
| 22:48.38 | Jjp137 | it's in Go |
| 22:49.35 | Jjp137 | and the config.yml in the first one might actually hint at the cause, which may be that the config.yml that pkginfo is using might not be including i386 packages |
| 22:49.49 | Jjp137 | and steam and steamcmd is i386 only, right? |
| 22:50.31 | gnarface | oh, maybe, lemme check |
| 22:51.01 | gnarface | yea, confirmed. those two packages only ever existed in :i386 |
| 22:51.25 | gnarface | steam-devices in stretch through sid, and steam in jessie through sid |
| 22:51.29 | Jjp137 | okay so perhaps pkginfo's config should be amended then |
| 22:51.47 | KatolaZ | Jjp137: pkginfo only reports stuff for amd64 atm |
| 22:51.47 | gnarface | i'm surprised this is just being noticed now. i wonder if it's a regression |
| 22:51.48 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 22:51.58 | KatolaZ | it has always been like that |
| 22:51.59 | Jjp137 | ah okay |
| 22:52.10 | gnarface | ok snafu then |
| 22:52.51 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 22:53.39 | gnarface | i was just trying to help filipdevuan sort out self-inflicted problems from inherited ones and suddenly couldn't tell the difference |
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| 23:19.07 | filipdevuan_ | dont worry :P |
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| 23:19.13 | filipdevuan_ | and thanks! :) |
| 23:19.47 | drwhite | anyone know how to get things to start on the start of X? |
| 23:22.18 | drwhite | On boot, I get "wlan0: failed to remove key (0, {mac here}) from hardware (-5) |
| 23:22.46 | drwhite | followed by "wlan0: failed to remove key (2, ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) from hardware (-5)" |
| 23:23.18 | drwhite | anyideas? |
| 23:24.54 | gnarface | drwhite: most window managers have a feature for it, but you can also use ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:25.15 | gnarface | well, you might be able to use ~/.xinitrc, some login managers may preempt it |
| 23:29.11 | drwhite | I want it to be global, notjust one user. |
| 23:30.44 | fsmithred | somewhere in /etc/X11 |
| 23:30.51 | fsmithred | maybe Xsession.d |
| 23:31.10 | gnarface | yea there's a global one in there somewhere |
| 23:31.19 | drwhite | I have put the command into many different files, even created a new one, even put it into the file it says it always executed for every X session. |
| 23:31.37 | drwhite | Still ti doesn't run on start ox F |
| 23:31.39 | drwhite | of X |
| 23:31.40 | gnarface | well keep in mind that you have to use a different one based on whether you're using a graphical login manager or not |
| 23:31.57 | fsmithred | how are you running X? |
| 23:32.02 | fsmithred | what wm/de? |
| 23:36.43 | gnarface | drwhite: ^ this question is to you |
| 23:37.55 | drwhite | I'm running it by starting it. |
| 23:38.00 | drwhite | XFCE4 |
| 23:38.51 | fsmithred | apps menu -> Settings -> Session and startup -> Autostart applications |
| 23:38.57 | fsmithred | + |
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| 23:40.08 | drwhite | "[10:29] <drwhite> I want it to be global, notjust one user." |
| 23:40.46 | fsmithred | not sure where it goes. Set it for one user and see where it is in ~/.config/xfce4 |
| 23:41.02 | fsmithred | then make that same change in /etc/xdg/xfce4/somewhere |
| 23:42.37 | drwhite | Thanks, will try it from this xdg location. |
| 23:43.18 | fsmithred | put the appropriate .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 23:52.34 | drwhite | so create a .desktop file? |
| 23:52.50 | fsmithred | yeah, if the program doesn't already have one |
| 23:53.00 | drwhite | Why is a user not allowed tomount a damn drive? |
| 23:53.00 | fsmithred | check in /usr/share/applications |
| 23:53.13 | drwhite | it doesn't have one. |
| 23:53.43 | fsmithred | removable drive? |
| 23:55.03 | gnarface | drwhite: users aren't allowed to mount drives because that's a security hole large enough to drive a battleship through |
| 23:55.46 | gnarface | you can configure it to allow any user to mount drives though, in a number of different ways |
| 23:56.14 | gnarface | if udisks2 is running it should already be working from the GUI though... |
| 23:57.25 | gnarface | other options are to add yourself to the "disk" group or put the drive in /etc/fstab with a "noauto" or "nofail" option |
| 23:59.30 | drwhite | yeah, damages all virtualisation though. |
| 23:59.46 | gnarface | if udisks2 is running and not working to allow drive mounts from the gui maybe Xorg still needs to be started as suid root ("legacy mode?") |