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| 01:29.07 | Xenguy | Makes sense |
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| 02:21.54 | drwhite | hi folks, anyone here have an issue with VirtualBricks where it can't find vde_router and qemu? |
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| 03:54.07 | skyroveRR | Hey gnarface :) |
| 04:07.33 | skyroveRR | gnarface: remember in July we discussed about me being unable to get my monitor to work at full res? Turns out, when I try to force the resolution, the display actually zooms in, rather than the |
| 04:07.48 | skyroveRR | rather than switching the resolution. Thoughts on this? |
| 04:13.22 | furrywolf | are you sure your exact monitor model can do that resolution? does it have restrictions, like only at annoyingly slow refresh? |
| 04:14.04 | skyroveRR | It's capable of full 1920x1080 for sure. |
| 04:14.29 | skyroveRR | The screen used to be set that way, until recently. |
| 04:14.36 | skyroveRR | In devuan itself. |
| 04:15.01 | furrywolf | no idea, then. |
| 04:15.24 | Tashtari | Anyone here familiar with ARM systems? I had a decent degree of success on my Veyron/Rockchip chromebook with the released image for Jessie, but it seems this isn't a target in ASCII. Was it removed for a technical reason, or just lack of interest? |
| 04:16.15 | nacelle | the rapsberry pi's are arms, doesnt smell right that they'd ditch that arch |
| 04:16.56 | Tashtari | Yeah, that's why I'm concerned... |
| 04:19.46 | Tashtari | On a related note... how much do the various 'embedded' images differ, is it just the same thing repackaged for different bootloaders/media? Or do they require different kernel/initrd/filesystem? |
| 04:21.02 | nacelle | where are you looking ? |
| 04:21.10 | Tashtari | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/ |
| 04:21.13 | nacelle | https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/ |
| 04:21.20 | nacelle | your mirror might suck |
| 04:21.42 | nacelle | sorry, they mirror you used might suck |
| 04:21.42 | Tashtari | Nope, it's not there either |
| 04:21.56 | nacelle | but the pi image is... so... |
| 04:22.03 | nacelle | i'm confused :-) |
| 04:22.26 | nacelle | my guess is you could find an arm image thats close enough |
| 04:23.18 | Tashtari | Well, that was why I asked the second question :) I mean, if it's just a matter of pulling the pieces out of one format and assembling them into the weird cgpt thing that depthcharge expects, I can likely do that |
| 04:24.10 | Tashtari | But... I mean, an RPi is not a chromebook, so it wouldn't seem like the craziest thing if the images had more specialization than that |
| 04:35.41 | golinux | Tashtari: Try #devuan-arm |
| 04:38.47 | Tashtari | Oh, that's a channel? Fair enough. Thanks. |
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| 05:01.35 | gnarface | skyroveRR: some xorg.conf setting perhaps... i recall that being expected behavior in some case if the default resolution didn't match the max resolution |
| 05:01.57 | gnarface | you mean you have a panning desktop right? |
| 05:03.12 | gnarface | if you mean the other way around (the desktop is stretched but all fits on the display) check the physical display settings for anything involving automatic aspect ratio handling |
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| 05:38.12 | skyroveRR | gnarface: we discussed about this in July without identifying the cause :) the resolution isn't being detected right at GRUB :) |
| 05:39.17 | gnarface | this was an optimus laptop, right? |
| 05:39.54 | gnarface | skyroveRR: ^ |
| 05:40.27 | skyroveRR | It's an ordinary desktop :) |
| 05:40.45 | gnarface | oh, you're not the guy who was also having problems with glx? |
| 05:41.12 | gnarface | ok, i don't remember if you ever got back to me about trying to specify a resolution manually in /etc/default/grub |
| 05:42.34 | gnarface | there should be a commented-out example in there you can edit |
| 05:43.17 | gnarface | you can't always trust it to auto-detect right but sometimes you can force it |
| 05:45.45 | gnarface | if the example doesn't work, there's also the old vga= option that still might works |
| 05:47.36 | gnarface | regardless of that, the display settings could be stretching it too |
| 05:47.45 | gnarface | don't forget to check |
| 05:53.36 | skyroveRR | gnarface: will do. |
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| 14:16.30 | Lachezar | Heya all. Devuan noob here. How does one install docker (as in docker-container, ot the docker WM) into a devuan machine? |
| 14:17.12 | mcr1 | hi, I think that docker has serious systemd dependancies. I use lxc (not lxd). |
| 14:18.01 | Lachezar | mcr1: Really? That'd be a shame. |
| 14:18.56 | mcr1 | I haven't tried lately though. I think that there is a ssh foo | sh method of installing, but I hate those. |
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| 14:22.18 | Lachezar | mcr1: I have a (throwable-away) devuan VM, that I'm going to use for the experiments, but I can't find a way to install it. |
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| 14:23.43 | mcr1 | :-( |
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| 14:23.53 | benharri | Lachezar: have you tried the official docker docs? https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/#install-docker-ce-1 |
| 14:24.10 | benharri | i haven't tried on devuan so i can't guarantee anything |
| 14:24.22 | benharri | would definitely be a good idea to use that throwaway-able vm |
| 14:24.51 | mcr1 | it's an extra repo, so I don't see why it wouldn't work, and they support wheezy, which is pre-systemd. |
| 14:25.11 | benharri | might be worth just installed the package from the .deb |
| 14:25.28 | mcr1 | I would personally like to see packages in devuan that just add the right repos. |
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| 14:26.12 | mcr1 | While add-apt-repository is nice, I would rather a less straight-jacket'ed system. |
| 14:27.11 | Lachezar | : Error starting daemon: Devices cgroup isn't mounted |
| 14:27.45 | benharri | https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/binaries/ |
| 14:30.10 | Lachezar | benharri: That's the one I am trying. Needs more cgoups stuff that might be over my know-how grade. |
| 14:30.39 | benharri | it does list 3 github issues about it :o |
| 14:31.00 | benharri | could probably figure it out but i don't have any need to run docker on devuan atm |
| 14:31.42 | Lachezar | benharri: I have some time to test. Would like to have a less sysmetd-ed host. |
| 14:31.59 | Lachezar | s/sysmetd/systemd/ wireless keyboard :( |
| 14:32.17 | benharri | that's fair :) |
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| 14:35.43 | Lachezar | Should I use 'stretch' repo for 'ascii'? |
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| 14:40.16 | Lachezar | Hm. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-312458007 |
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| 14:44.20 | benharri | heh |
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| 15:21.15 | golinux | Lachezar: Oops. You might look at this which was posted in a thread on DNG: https://paddy-hack.gitlab.io/posts/sandwiching-docker-with-devuan/ |
| 15:22.12 | golinux | That was probably for jessie. Don't know about ascii |
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| 15:26.22 | Lachezar | Installing packages from docker repos (stretch) seems to work: 'This message shows that your installation appears to be working correctly.' |
| 15:26.32 | Lachezar | grins |
| 15:27.36 | benharri | heh nice |
| 15:27.45 | Lachezar | Whops. How does one reboot a VM with an encrypted disk wihtout a console? Is there 'ssh-to-boot'? |
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| 16:35.38 | Lachezar | Got help in #linux: successfully rebooted the Devuan VM and decrypted over SSH :) |
| 16:35.43 | Lachezar | feels good. |
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| 19:22.18 | _stephen_ | What's an appropriate path to take to get docker.io installed under ascii? |
| 19:22.41 | _stephen_ | I checked pkginfo.devuan.org and it's in beowulf, ceres, and jessie-backports, but not ascii... |
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| 20:52.06 | _stephen_ | Now I feel like a tool. I just pulled up the irc logs and I see that docker had been discussed just shortly before I posted my question. |
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| 20:55.05 | gnarface | oh good. now it's safe for me to warn you that it's probably the worst tool for the job amongst many. |
| 20:55.26 | gnarface | the time you spent trying to find a fix would have been better spent switching to literally any other alternative. |
| 20:55.58 | gnarface | i would say vbox is a close second for poor quality |
| 20:56.30 | gnarface | really everyone should be using qemu-kvm (without libvirt/virtd/whatever) |
| 20:56.58 | gnarface | that's where the big money has gone into development |
| 20:57.08 | gnarface | that's where the mainline kernel developers are putting their efforts |
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| 21:00.53 | _stephen_ | It's convenient to be able to use docker-compose, though... |
| 21:01.02 | _stephen_ | Is there another container package I should look into using? |
| 21:01.12 | _stephen_ | I went with docker because other projects I worked on made use of it. |
| 21:01.30 | _stephen_ | Also, I haven't tried to start up a container, but I managed to get dockerd to at least run... |
| 21:02.53 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with docker-compose but i think qemu-img does the same thing? i think i just usually make images with dd and debootstrap though |
| 21:03.24 | _stephen_ | I'm a big fan of qemu, but I don't want an entire vm, just a container. |
| 21:04.04 | gnarface | well you could just use chroot for that |
| 21:04.07 | _stephen_ | docker-compose makes it easy-ish to configure a container is all. |
| 21:04.36 | _stephen_ | Oh, I suppose I could bind mount stuff into a chroot... |
| 21:04.51 | gnarface | well, i understand wanting to stick with something easier to use just because it makes it easier... until it doesn't anymore |
| 21:05.23 | _stephen_ | That and the portability aspect. |
| 21:06.12 | _stephen_ | I can throw deps into a container, mount in my project, test it, and throw away the container when I'm done. |
| 21:07.14 | _stephen_ | And being able to hand the cotainer image to team mates is handy, too. |
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| 21:16.02 | _stephen_ | Looks like the docker-ce static image is working for now. |
| 21:17.32 | _stephen_ | I followed the link posted earlier by benharri which lead me to ttps://download.docker.com/linux/static/stable/x86_64/ where I grabbed the latest ce tar. |
| 21:18.12 | benharri | owo |
| 21:18.18 | _stephen_ | I also installed cgroupfs-mount and added a docker group before running it. |
| 21:18.51 | _stephen_ | I'm able to run the hello world, as well as import my existing images. |
| 21:22.08 | _stephen_ | And it works with the docker compose from the repo. |
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| 23:00.29 | cehteh | indeo: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/zram1 |
| 23:00.53 | cehteh | er doh completion .. but funny what this automatism picks :) |
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| 23:48.46 | haxmeister | hello devuan |
| 23:49.19 | haxmeister | is there a webpage I can visit, where I can search for available packages? |
| 23:50.47 | debdog | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ |
| 23:51.51 | haxmeister | thank you |
| 23:52.02 | haxmeister | might I suggest linking that to the home page? |
| 23:53.40 | debdog | https://devuan.org/os/ |
| 23:53.54 | debdog | it's a tad hard to find, i have to admit |
| 23:53.59 | Nematocyst | trying to install chroot. what's the most minimal package for devuan? is devuan-baseconfig the best I can do? |
| 23:55.22 | phogg | Is there a reason there isn't an analog of packages.{debuan,ubuntu}.org? |
| 23:55.56 | phogg | braces for "Because you haven't volunteered to make it" |
| 23:56.29 | golinux | haxmeister: That link is on several pages of the website including the download page |
| 23:59.22 | golinux | phogg: Because maybe 98% of the devuan repos are redirects to the debian repos. You can access devuan specific (forked and original) packagespackages |
| 23:59.40 | golinux | Oops typo. |