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| 05:27.42 | ServiceRobot | heyo peeps |
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| 07:15.58 | ServiceRobot | so after a ton of testing I got runit working with sysv-rc fine. that'll do until the devs implement a better solution |
| 07:16.19 | ServiceRobot | the getty-run package needs a bit of an update. I found a problem that's fixed with the addition of 1 command |
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| 07:50.11 | HalfWord | I was wondering, is Devuan ceres usable in the way Debian sid is? |
| 07:50.37 | ServiceRobot | I literally just got beowulf working so I assume so |
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| 07:52.07 | HalfWord | I wasn't sure because I guess there is more flux in ceres than in sid because of Devuan's constant improvements... |
| 07:52.45 | ServiceRobot | I went for beowulf aka buster because it's the next release, so more stable than ceres |
| 07:52.51 | ServiceRobot | ascii is too old for my tastes |
| 07:53.21 | HalfWord | I agree... as in Debian, stable is too old the moment it is released :) |
| 07:54.10 | ServiceRobot | at the moment I'm still not sure about it. I'm going to give it a go with a web server and some game servers and see how it fairs |
| 07:56.03 | HalfWord | I suppose that testing is pretty stable in dev1 as is in debian for purposes other than some heavy production use... |
| 07:57.10 | HalfWord | but people have traditionally used sid for their personal machines... so what most interests me is if ceres is also usable the same way |
| 07:57.56 | HalfWord | however if it's not ready now, I believe it will be once the whole codebase stabilizes |
| 08:00.53 | buZz | imho ascii + ascii-backports for some stuff , is totally fine |
| 08:01.08 | buZz | (backports for stuff like newer nvidia drivers etc) |
| 08:05.27 | ServiceRobot | eh, I only plan to use it for hosting servers and software I want to code |
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| 08:05.47 | ServiceRobot | one big reason is dnscrypt-proxy 2, which isn't available in backports |
| 08:06.41 | ServiceRobot | getting runit working is a huge win for me. once I get everything setup I'll report my findings |
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| 08:31.38 | booyah | sup buZz my niga o/ |
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| 15:45.51 | James1138 | Minor question. I use Devuan Stable on my Thinkpad laptop and enjoy it. However... I noticed in startup processes something called dovecot. Checking synaptic - dovecot-core and dovecot-imapd (daemon) are for a mail server. I did try Evolution and Thunderbird but purge both from my laptop. I now check Gmail & Hotmail online or use the FireFox plugin "SimpleMail" - which allows offline viewing (very nice). To my question - Is it okay to pu |
| 15:45.52 | James1138 | rge dovecot from my laptop? Synaptic says nothing appears dependant on it. |
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| 17:20.42 | djph | sure |
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| 18:26.05 | James1138 | Sorry for the delay in getting back. Thanks Djph. |
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| 18:29.23 | djph | ;) |
| 18:30.58 | James1138 | Be back in a little bit. Going to purge and reboot to be on the safe side. |
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| 19:00.42 | James1138 | I am back. Not have dovecot running in the background make the laptop more responsive! |
| 19:14.23 | fsmithred | James1138, how did you even get dovecot? I don't think I've ever had that installed. |
| 19:16.20 | James1138 | Must have installed when I added Evolution |
| 19:21.05 | nacelle | you definitely dont need dovecot running in that instance and probably dont want to have it installed at all |
| 19:23.37 | fsmithred | is exim4 installed? |
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| 19:30.53 | James1138 | exim4-base installed |
| 19:33.01 | fsmithred | ok, that would take care of your system mail (the stuff the system sends to root) |
| 19:33.33 | James1138 | I will leave that as is |
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| 19:36.39 | fsmithred | actually, I don't know if that one package is enough to do it. Normally, the system mail gets routed to the primary user, so there should be something in /var/mail/$USER or /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 19:36.44 | fsmithred | a text file |
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| 19:42.56 | James1138 | I also have exim4-config and exim4-daemon-light |
| 19:46.19 | gnarface | that's correct |
| 19:46.56 | gnarface | exim4-daemon-light is the one that actually handles the mail but you need all 3 |
| 19:50.54 | fsmithred | most of the mail you get there will be boring. (That's a good thing) |
| 19:51.19 | James1138 | Good deal |
| 19:51.28 | gnarface | yea it should just be errata from major upgrades, but depending on configuration it may also be noise from stuff going awry |
| 19:52.36 | gnarface | (failing cron scripts and such) |
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| 20:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a depressing read for me: >>check Gmail & Hotmail online or use the FireFox plugin "SimpleMail" - which allows offline viewing (very nice).<< Gor me email still is - and always been - a payload transport protocol/infra with both endpoints supposedly being Personal Computers literally. IMAP and even more so web mailers to me feel like "I call the post office to dictate th text of a few letters, then tell them which inbound letters I |
| 20:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | want them to read out loud for me" |
| 20:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fpr* |
| 20:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, *For* |
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| 20:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the pragmatic side, my PC never got rooted so far. Unlike the servers of 2 of my 7 email providers |
| 20:42.29 | James1138 | I found rather than have 2 separate packages that one will do 95% of what I needed. I would perfer to use "SeaMonkey" instead of tweaking the heck of of Firefox but SeaMonkey does not yet play DRM like Firefox and I like watching NetFlix. I tried install Wideview and Pipelight but cannot get Seamonkey to work with NetFlix |
| 20:44.49 | James1138 | Sorry - I use firefox instead of 3 packages. With Newsfox - I read RSS feeds instead of install LifeRea or someother RSS app |
| 20:47.29 | James1138 | Less dependancies to worry about or bog down a system with 1 package instead of 3 packages and dependancies |
| 20:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of using a PC system with just web browser as single app to do everything from web browsing to web mail to netflix video watching to google docs office suite, it probably would already be smarter to have a single app VNC to a web service "MySystem" |
| 20:54.51 | Hurgotron | well, maybe better x2go than vnc |
| 20:54.57 | James1138 | single app is single app - VNC sounds like extra work |
| 20:56.13 | furrymcgee | today someone asked debian to make firefox depending on pulseaudio |
| 20:56.40 | fsmithred | did debian answer? |
| 20:58.32 | furrymcgee | its not a bug and already suggested |
| 20:58.57 | furrymcgee | pulseaudio is suggested in the firefox package |
| 20:59.20 | fsmithred | ok, that should be enough |
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| 21:05.13 | plasma41 | o/ |
| 21:06.30 | plasma41 | was formerly NewGnuGuy |
| 21:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos SaaS and "one app does it all": extremely cute http://tinyurl.com/y8aj89e7 |
| 21:18.10 | fsmithred | noscript does not like that link (XSS attempt) |
| 21:19.43 | plasma41 | Dillo does not like that link either (IFRAME and or requiring Javascript) |
| 21:20.16 | plasma41 | s%and or%and/or% |
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| 21:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html |
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| 21:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ |
| 21:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I linked first was a circuit of a 4bit delta-sigma A/D-Converter |
| 21:38.59 | gaite | hello |
| 21:40.04 | gaite | i can't tell if i'm muted or not |
| 21:40.17 | gaite | if not, i apologise for the spam |
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| 21:47.19 | DonkeyHotei | gaite: not muted/quited |
| 21:47.37 | gaite | ah, ty! |
| 21:48.42 | gaite | i wanted to ask if there was some known issue with nvidia drivers |
| 21:49.52 | gaite | they seem to be running, but various glx stuff is broken |
| 21:52.04 | plasma41 | gaite: The known issue with the nvidia driver is that it is non-free and a GPL violation that no one is challenging them on. |
| 21:52.20 | gaite | true |
| 21:53.01 | gaite | alas |
| 21:53.12 | gaite | nouveau is considerably slower |
| 21:55.15 | plasma41 | but it is free and constantly improving |
| 21:56.14 | gnarface | gaite: the nvidia binary driver is in several separate packages and the maintainers don't seem to actually understand the basics of how the dependencies work. usually it works fine if you figure out which packages you're missing and manually add them. |
| 21:56.32 | gaite | jesus |
| 21:56.43 | gaite | it already pulled in around 74 packages |
| 21:56.50 | gnarface | (if glx stuff isn't working that probably means you're missing libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 and/or libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386) |
| 21:57.05 | gaite | i'll check; ty |
| 21:57.22 | gnarface | (another gotcha is accidentally getting the mesa ones instead, which it will attempt to use, badly) |
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| 22:02.27 | gnarface | gaite: if it's still not working i'm gonna need more specfics |
| 22:02.49 | gaite | libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 was indeed missing |
| 22:02.56 | gaite | but it didn't change anything |
| 22:03.02 | gaite | what specifics? |
| 22:03.32 | gnarface | card model, kernel version, what you tried, what you expected, what happened instead |
| 22:05.41 | James1138 | What about https://pkgs.org/download/nvidia for drivers? |
| 22:06.05 | gnarface | don't use 3rd party ones, they'll break apt/dpkg |
| 22:06.29 | gnarface | and the nvidia.com shell script installer isn't even dependencyaware. it'll do even worse things |
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| 22:08.40 | gaite | nvidia geforce 960m, 4.9.0-8-amd64, installed kernel headers + nvidia-driver + libgl1-nvidia-glx (amd64 ver) |
| 22:09.07 | gnarface | gaite: did you run glxgears and glxinfo as a test? |
| 22:09.16 | gaite | there's an error on boot (error running install command for nvidia), but x works |
| 22:09.44 | gaite | glxgears and glxinfo both return the following: |
| 22:09.58 | gaite | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 22:10.04 | gaite | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
| 22:10.35 | gaite | that's how i noticed there was an issue |
| 22:11.39 | gaite | ah |
| 22:11.47 | gaite | glxgears returns this: |
| 22:11.56 | gaite | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:12.05 | gaite | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 22:12.21 | gaite | seems to be referring to the same thing though |
| 22:12.28 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 22:12.33 | gnarface | that doesn't look right |
| 22:12.43 | gnarface | check the xorg log, maybe it's not loading the nvidia driver |
| 22:12.50 | gnarface | it could be loading another driver accidentally |
| 22:13.05 | gnarface | (nouveau, vesa, or some framebuffer thing) |
| 22:16.20 | gnarface | oh |
| 22:16.31 | gnarface | and make sure your user is in the "video" group, it might matter |
| 22:16.36 | gaite | it seems to be trying to load quite a few of them |
| 22:16.45 | gnarface | yea but the question is what does it settle on? |
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| 22:22.31 | gaite | i'm not sure |
| 22:22.32 | gaite | https://pastebin.com/s75Y3CHy |
| 22:22.43 | gnarface | gaite: sorry, i gotta step away now but i'll be back later if you haven't figured it out. if this is one of those dual-gpu "optimus" laptops, you could have additional complications due to it trying to pick the *intel* card first |
| 22:22.54 | gaite | it is :( |
| 22:23.19 | gnarface | you might need to look into something called bumblebee just to get the nvidia part working |
| 22:23.31 | gaite | i see |
| 22:23.36 | gnarface | but also this xorg log you just posted suggests it's loading nouveau |
| 22:23.43 | gnarface | which means nouveau isn't blacklisted |
| 22:23.51 | gaite | hmm |
| 22:24.17 | gnarface | in general, bumblebee completely aside, the nouveau and nvidia drivers don't play nice together, and you need to blacklist whichever of the two you're not planning on using |
| 22:24.19 | gaite | could that be what it's trying and failing to do on boot |
| 22:24.33 | gnarface | yea, possible |
| 22:25.05 | gaite | i'll try to do it manually, then |
| 22:25.37 | gaite | thank you for the help :) |
| 22:25.52 | gnarface | sorry i couldn't stick around longer, good luck. |
| 22:26.02 | gaite | ty! |
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| 22:57.09 | gaite | ended up reverting to nouveau |
| 22:58.03 | gaite | it'd be nice to see the people responsible for the nvidia drivers try to troubleshoot that mess |
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