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| 03:01.24 | *** topic/#devuan is This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | **You need to auth to nickserv to talk!** | Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 LTS release | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 08:51.15 | baimafeima | hi does devuan come with a libre-kernel? |
| 08:52.35 | baimafeima | is it possible to run the guix package manager in devuan? |
| 08:54.06 | gnarface | what's a libre kernel? |
| 08:54.15 | gnarface | it comes with the same kernels that debian does |
| 08:54.21 | gnarface | i don't know about guix |
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| 09:08.56 | Digit | youtube-dl needing update? i'm noticing increasing failed yt vid plays. n i get my ytdl from ceres... does cere's hang on sid's coat-tails? |
| 09:10.24 | gnarface | yes, ceres corresponds to sid |
| 09:11.02 | Digit | corresponds, but, can be ahead, or has to wait for sid first? |
| 09:11.47 | gnarface | there's nothing ahead of sid |
| 09:12.30 | gnarface | well there's experimental but it doesn't count because it's not a complete distro |
| 09:13.11 | Digit | oh yeah. i forgot about experimental. used to use it in vsido (vastone's deb respin). |
| 09:13.57 | gnarface | so yes, effectively it has to "wait" for some sid packages to get rebuilt but for most the packages there isn't a wait because there isn't a need to rebuild |
| 09:16.39 | KatolaZ | baimafeima: the kernel shipped with Devuan is free of binary blobs already |
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| 09:35.40 | baimafeima | KatolaZ, I see, thanks |
| 09:36.04 | baimafeima | gnarface, https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ |
| 09:36.28 | baimafeima | gnarface, I wonder if it's possible to run this "universal" package manager on Devuan and thereby increasing package availability |
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| 10:24.43 | Digit | hrm. something's gone wrong for me i see now. https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=youtube-dl&release=ceres shows youtube-dl-2018.09.10-1, but even after apt-get update, the newest i see on offer in apt/synaptic is now 2018.06.18-1.1 |
| 10:27.42 | fsmithred | Digit, 2018.09.10-1 is in ceres |
| 10:28.08 | Digit | yep. and so, why wont my ceres update to show it? and how can i remedy that? |
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| 11:11.01 | Digit | too sleepy to figure out what i've done wrong (to my sources.list perhaps) such that the package list wont update. |
| 11:11.13 | Digit | one for the morning. n_n |
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| 11:24.15 | fsmithred | sorry, I was off reading other stuff. Digit use deb.devuan.org in sources.list. |
| 11:25.18 | Digit | i just sorted it this second as your nickping chimed. n_n just removed all entries n added just a plain gb ceres with main contrib non-free. can see the 2018.09.10-1 youtube-dl now. all shoudl be well. :) |
| 11:26.01 | Digit | probably would have been solved easier, without mention, if i'd not started on it already sleepy. n_n |
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| 12:57.40 | fsmithred | computing in your sleep can be dangerous |
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| 12:58.12 | fsmithred | question for those who don't like dbus: Which is more detestable - dconf or gconf? |
| 12:58.44 | ryuujin | or the less detestable |
| 13:00.12 | fsmithred | either way, I'm asking you to pick your poison |
| 13:01.07 | fsmithred | background: I'm upgrading my beowulf no-dbus install, and it wants to install dbus-x11 and dbus. One of the options that aptitude gives me is to replace dconf with gconf. |
| 13:03.14 | detha | dconf uses some binary format. gconf at least uses xml. |
| 13:03.51 | detha | not much better, but at least readable |
| 13:03.59 | ryuujin | but gconf is becoming obsolete |
| 13:04.04 | fsmithred | oh yeah, thanks for that reminder |
| 13:04.48 | fsmithred | well, I already let it install gconf - it was the only way I could do a full upgrade and keep all my apps |
| 13:05.04 | fsmithred | without pinning dconf-service to ascii version |
| 13:05.04 | ryuujin | detha: i hate gvdb format too |
| 13:07.57 | detha | yeah. I wish there was something like the way postfix handles it: key-value stores are plaintext, with postmap to compile it into a binary for fast lookups. |
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| 13:08.27 | detha | binary corrupted? no problem, rebuild it. |
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| 17:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconf is a mess but at least a mess that's not too complictaed to understand and deal with |
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| 17:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally despises all registry-alike single-point-of-failure concepts |
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| 18:04.19 | Humpelstilzchen | E: Release file for http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1h 32min 29s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 18:04.22 | Humpelstilzchen | anyone? |
| 18:06.11 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 18:06.48 | KatolaZ | checking all the mirrors now |
| 18:07.04 | Humpelstilzchen | thx, systemclock is correct btw |
| 18:07.05 | KatolaZ | they are all in sync |
| 18:07.25 | KatolaZ | Humpelstilzchen: have you got the IP? |
| 18:07.33 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 18:07.40 | KatolaZ | you should not use mirror.devuan.org in ASCII |
| 18:07.44 | KatolaZ | only deb.devuan.org |
| 18:07.57 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 18:08.15 | KatolaZ | Humpelstilzchen: ^^^ |
| 18:08.26 | Humpelstilzchen | ok |
| 18:08.58 | Humpelstilzchen | whatever the difference is between both |
| 18:09.16 | KatolaZ | *.mirror.devuan.org will be dismissed |
| 18:09.47 | KatolaZ | it's put together by the original amprolla, and has several glitches |
| 18:09.57 | KatolaZ | deb.devuan.org is merged by amprolla3 |
| 18:10.25 | KatolaZ | and actually has several mirrors behind |
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