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| 14:49.35 | cehteh | i am absolutely pro free software |
| 14:49.45 | cehteh | free as in gnu, not beer |
| 14:50.21 | queip | cehteh: yeap, especially watch out that such requests are multiplitive |
| 14:50.31 | cehteh | but there are reasons sometimes where non free stuff needs to be used, might be politically incorrect, sad, whatever .. still there are such causes |
| 14:50.37 | KatolaZ | cehteh: reality is that we don't have infinite time |
| 14:50.37 | queip | 3 kernels, 4 inits = 12 groups of problems ;) |
| 14:50.49 | KatolaZ | and we are humans, and as such we all have *preferences* |
| 14:51.00 | cehteh | KatolaZ: yes, i completely understand when someone argues with technical reasons |
| 14:51.05 | KatolaZ | somebody said you should only write a software you are willing to use |
| 14:51.10 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:51.25 | KatolaZ | we could re-arrange it in "you should only support a software you are going to use" |
| 14:51.43 | cehteh | but not the "I define freedom for you"-attitude |
| 14:51.51 | KatolaZ | cehteh: that's not freedom |
| 14:52.07 | KatolaZ | neither the opposite is |
| 14:52.23 | cehteh | sadly that happens in a lot (gnu and other free software) communities |
| 14:52.24 | KatolaZ | (like in "I define freedom as what you should include in the distro you prepare") :D |
| 14:52.56 | cehteh | this sjw syndrome |
| 14:53.02 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 14:53.12 | KatolaZ | this is what many people expect the others to do for them |
| 14:53.13 | telst4r | The rudeness sometimes bugs me too. And yet I find myself falling into it |
| 14:53.24 | KatolaZ | unfortunately |
| 14:54.26 | cehteh | in guix some longer time someone asked about removing 'mame' from the repo, just because one 'could' run non free software in that emulator. of course that request was turned down, but still just alone that line of thought is poisonous for freedom |
| 14:54.38 | cehteh | +ago |
| 14:55.39 | telst4r | ofcourse the, let's say, fsf have a saying which distros they choose to endorse. or a fsf-endorsing distro have a saying of refusing to help with non-free software, but the other side is that it's probably gonna backfire. |
| 14:55.41 | KatolaZ | cehteh: that's like banning knives because someone can get stabbed :D |
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| 14:56.07 | KatolaZ | telst4r: anybody is free to endorse what they want |
| 14:56.13 | KatolaZ | and to choose a criterion for that |
| 14:56.17 | cehteh | i was thinking about posting a bash snippet to the ML with "all rights reserved" notice .. and then request to delete the ML :) |
| 14:56.43 | KatolaZ | cehteh: that would have been invalid |
| 14:56.54 | cehteh | yep :) |
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| 14:56.59 | KatolaZ | since by accepting to post to the ML you accept your messages to be public |
| 14:57.01 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 14:57.22 | cehteh | all rights reserved doesnt mean my code cant be public |
| 14:57.32 | KatolaZ | sure |
| 14:57.38 | cehteh | it just says the code is non-free |
| 14:57.45 | KatolaZ | indeed |
| 14:57.59 | KatolaZ | I was referring to the request to remove the ML |
| 14:58.03 | KatolaZ | not to the code |
| 14:58.16 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 14:58.21 | cehteh | well by such standards that "no we dont even get close to non free stuff" |
| 14:58.44 | cehteh | its not my problem its theirs |
| 15:00.04 | cehteh | still i like the guix project and should work more with it. while hardcore gnuism is for once a political necessity but also a bit unpractical for getting things done |
| 15:00.58 | cehteh | in fact even with coreboot and other free software, there are so much microcontrollers on a modern mainbard which run on non updateable propietary software, you cant get a real free software computer nowadays |
| 15:01.07 | cehteh | as in 100% free |
| 15:01.53 | cehteh | anyway out of topic and i doing something else |
| 15:02.00 | cehteh | bbl |
| 15:02.09 | KatolaZ | cehteh: if it were not for entities like FSF we would probably have no free firmware at all, today :) |
| 15:02.31 | KatolaZ | but yes, OT and distracting (yet interesting, though;) ) |
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| 15:05.08 | telst4r | mm. it's on a good cause and I support it. But the current situation is that it's not yet a 100% reality for most people, or businesses. Sadly, but so it seems. |
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| 17:01.24 | cehteh | KatolaZ: i highly respect rms and accept his extremist stance, but he created free software for the freedom of people, this is no green/organic software farm where we pet and care free bits and bytes, the only reason for free software is to ensure freedom for people to have choices and help themself and others. |
| 17:02.13 | KatolaZ | sure cehteh |
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| 17:02.28 | KatolaZ | I miss the link with the previous discussion though |
| 17:02.36 | KatolaZ | (I am on and off anyway today) |
| 17:02.42 | cehteh | o/ |
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| 17:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSF is pushing an ideal. They don't honestly care about usability. And that's fine for achieving FSF's goals, they have no other way ro go |
| 17:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | to* |
| 17:51.59 | nailyk | hi all. Where can I open an issue for logrotate please? |
| 17:52.12 | MinceR | they used to be pushing an ideal |
| 17:52.12 | nailyk | (debootstraped devuan ascii) |
| 17:52.16 | MinceR | now they're pushing systemd |
| 17:52.53 | cehteh | fsf? |
| 17:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: you first find out if the bug you found is related to patches devuan introduced, or it's generic to all logrotate packages. Then you open the ticket where the package upstream is |
| 17:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: Free Software Foundation |
| 17:54.10 | cehteh | i meant they push systemd, i doubt |
| 17:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: wait WHAT?? |
| 17:54.29 | nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/l/logrotate/logrotate_3.11.0-0.1_amd64.deb (reported by apt-cache). Should that mean it is a debian upstream package? |
| 17:54.31 | cehteh | they 'accept/tolerate it' because its free software |
| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: aah, me too |
| 17:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 17:54.53 | cehteh | but also it wont run on hurd and is not written in guile :D |
| 17:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~package |
| 17:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn! |
| 17:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg |
| 17:55.10 | infobot | from memory, #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 17:55.24 | nailyk | thanks |
| 17:55.50 | nailyk | so no. Gonna open the issue on debian then. Thanks! |
| 17:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: out of curiosity, hwta's that bug? |
| 17:56.35 | nailyk | just a sec please. |
| 17:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 17:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:59.34 | nailyk | https://paste.swordarmor.fr/35Fx |
| 18:00.15 | nailyk | + 'tmpfs on /var/log type tmpfs (rw,relatime)' |
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| 18:00.57 | MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: i thought it was common knowledge here that rms publicly endorsed systemd as "free software" despite the vendor lock-in |
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| 18:01.05 | MinceR | and that other FSF members support it as well |
| 18:01.59 | nailyk | it's not a bloatwareD free chan? |
| 18:02.02 | nailyk | run away |
| 18:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: yes, that's common knowledge |
| 18:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | arguably their notion of "free software" is sigject to review and improvement |
| 18:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | subject* |
| 18:04.16 | MinceR | their notion of "free software" used to be the FSD, which did cover such things implicitly |
| 18:04.42 | MinceR | but apparently now it's just a synonym for "open source" (per the OSD), as rms referred to the license when making his statement in support of systemd |
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| 18:05.21 | KatolaZ | MinceR: rms did not make any statement in support of systemd |
| 18:05.31 | KatolaZ | he simply said that systemd is free software |
| 18:05.37 | KatolaZ | (which is factually true) |
| 18:05.42 | KatolaZ | :| |
| 18:05.47 | MinceR | which is not factually true and which is in support of systemd |
| 18:05.51 | nailyk | like android |
| 18:05.54 | nailyk | stop trolling |
| 18:05.55 | KatolaZ | no MinceR |
| 18:06.03 | KatolaZ | systemd is free software |
| 18:06.07 | nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: what do you think about the paste please? |
| 18:06.09 | KatolaZ | is distributed under a free software license |
| 18:06.23 | MinceR | doesn't make it free software |
| 18:06.25 | nailyk | KatolaZ: your right, AOSP, sorry |
| 18:06.34 | KatolaZ | nailyk: ? |
| 18:06.41 | MinceR | it's designed to encroach on the freedoms of its users, hence, the opposite of free software |
| 18:07.07 | KatolaZ | MinceR: you are free to not use it, as a matter of fact |
| 18:07.11 | nailyk | KatolaZ: nothing. Just the same applies to AOSP |
| 18:07.16 | MinceR | like i said, argumentation on the basis of copyright license is "open source" (per the OSD), not "free software" (per the FSD) |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: (logrotate bug) strange |
| 18:07.19 | KatolaZ | as you are free to not use hardware that requires non-free firmware |
| 18:07.30 | MinceR | KatolaZ: yeah, unless i need software that locks me into it |
| 18:07.45 | KatolaZ | MinceR: then work for alternatives |
| 18:07.46 | MinceR | well, at least applications are rarely locked into particular hardware yet |
| 18:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: only thing that comes to mind: ACL |
| 18:07.50 | MinceR | done |
| 18:07.55 | KatolaZ | MinceR: great :) |
| 18:08.07 | nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: dunno what it is :p You mean selinux? |
| 18:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | access list |
| 18:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | getfacl |
| 18:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't see ACL permissions via ls |
| 18:08.58 | KatolaZ | nailyk: which release are we talking about? |
| 18:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAIT |
| 18:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: please ls -ld /var/log |
| 18:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | your ls is only covering the files _inside_ the parent dir (/var/log/) which allegedly has incorrect perms |
| 18:15.48 | nailyk | oh, it on the 'root' folder! |
| 18:15.51 | nailyk | Thanks for the tip! |
| 18:16.12 | nailyk | yes, /var/log have uncorrect perm caused by the fstab |
| 18:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>error: skipping "/var/log/btmp" because ***parent directory*** has insecure permissio<< |
| 18:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | TYL: use l instead ll ;-) |
| 18:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: http://termbin.com/xuze |
| 18:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: so WHY is your fstab causing incorrect permissions on /var/log/? Did you edit it? |
| 18:29.37 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: sure he did, since it's a debootstrapped image, as nailyk said |
| 18:29.44 | Tashtari | Hey guys. Is there a way to reduce the size of initrd in a devuan installation, or is it just shipped as is? |
| 18:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, missed that, Sorry KatolaZ |
| 18:30.02 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: you can recreate it |
| 18:30.09 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: no need to apologise :) |
| 18:30.19 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: you can strip stuff by hand |
| 18:30.32 | KatolaZ | or have a look at the script in minimal-live |
| 18:30.56 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 18:31.02 | Tashtari | What tools would I use to strip stuff out by hand? |
| 18:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | strip |
| 18:31.20 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: hold on |
| 18:31.25 | KatolaZ | retrieving the link :) |
| 18:31.57 | KatolaZ | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk/blob/master/blends/devuan-minimal-live/ascii/scripts/create_initrd.sh <- Tashtari |
| 18:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it actually about strip(8)? |
| 18:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops (1) |
| 18:32.48 | Tashtari | KatolaZ: Aha, cool. Thanks, I'll see what I can do with this. |
| 18:32.51 | KatolaZ | nope DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 18:33.05 | KatolaZ | that script removes normally unwanted modules |
| 18:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:33.22 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: have a look and edit as needed |
| 18:33.54 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: that script should reduce the initrd shipped with ascii by about 60% |
| 18:33.56 | KatolaZ | maybe more |
| 18:34.15 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: you might also remove more stuff, maybe, depending on your config |
| 18:34.51 | Tashtari | If I remove one of those filesystem drivers, will I lose the ability to mount filesystems of that type, or just to -boot- from filesystems of that type? |
| 18:35.16 | KatolaZ | the stuff in initrd is useful only during early boot |
| 18:35.23 | KatolaZ | basically, until you mount / |
| 18:35.57 | Tashtari | Ok, that's not a problem then... |
| 18:36.11 | KatolaZ | but the normal way this stuff is put together is by throwing in everything and the kitchen sink |
| 18:36.23 | Tashtari | Does initrd ever get regenerated automatically, like when you install certain packages? |
| 18:36.34 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 18:36.39 | KatolaZ | when you install a kernel |
| 18:36.41 | KatolaZ | or update it |
| 18:36.45 | KatolaZ | or grub |
| 18:37.05 | Tashtari | But there's not, say, some package that includes support for another filesystem that would then kick off some scripts to add that filesystem's driver into initrd? |
| 18:37.31 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: how can I know? :) |
| 18:37.46 | KatolaZ | in principle, a dkms package might want to rebuild the initrd |
| 18:37.53 | KatolaZ | but I don't know if any specific package does that |
| 18:38.08 | Tashtari | Well, I suppose I should ask if it's -normal- for that to happen, not to say "does any package ever do that" :) |
| 18:38.28 | KatolaZ | well, the worse that can happen is that you boot with an initrd that should work in 99.999% of the cases :D |
| 18:39.02 | KatolaZ | Tashtari: it's not normal, but in principle the post-inst of any package could do that (eve if that would not be reasonable) |
| 18:39.09 | Tashtari | All right. Thanks for your help, I think I should be able to run with this. |
| 18:39.31 | KatolaZ | I guess only -dkms packages would really want to do that |
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| 18:39.38 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the root question is how to deal with that. Is there a best practice to pin the initrd package or whatever? |
| 18:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or edit some initrd build script which usually doesn't get updated when customized, or somesuch? |
| 18:40.52 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: yep, nuke update-initramfs :P |
| 18:41.17 | Tashtari | Yeah, that's going to be interesting... the reason I'm trying to pare down initrd is because I want to fit it all into my BIOS chip and coreboot directly into the kernel. |
| 18:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a hook in apt that runs your cleaning script again after a new initrd got triggered to get built? |
| 18:41.42 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: kidding |
| 18:41.48 | Tashtari | But... first make it work, then make it sustainable, I suppose. |
| 18:42.03 | KatolaZ | have a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 18:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found the other way around works better for me personally ;-) |
| 18:42.33 | nailyk | indeed :p 'tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults 0 0' |
| 18:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | since usually I'm so happy when it works, that sustainability gets postponed until I have to redo all the stuff next time |
| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so meanwhile I often try to start with a script that does the stuff for me |
| 18:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when it works I already got a script for next time |
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| 19:05.54 | fsmithred | Tashtari, yes the initrd gets rebuilt when you install packages for other filesystems. I just tested it by installing btrfs-tools. It also gets rebuilt when you install cryptsetup or mdadm, and maybe lvm2, too. |
| 19:07.12 | Tashtari | fsmithred: Ah, good to know. Thanks. |
| 19:07.53 | Tashtari | devuan is not one of the linux distros that incorporates ZFS, is it? |
| 19:08.03 | fsmithred | no, not by default |
| 19:08.47 | fsmithred | zfs is available in the repo |
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| 19:23.30 | KatolaZ | ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] |
| 19:23.33 | KatolaZ | [#devuan] mb b |
| 19:23.36 | KatolaZ | ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] |
| 19:23.39 | KatolaZ | [#devuan] mb b |
| 19:23.50 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.53 | KatolaZ | 20:46 < DocScrutinizer05> so meanwhile I often try to start with a script that does the stuff for me |
| 19:23.56 | KatolaZ | 20:46 < DocScrutinizer05> so when it works I already got a script for next time |
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| 19:24.12 | KatolaZ | 21:07 < fsmithred> Tashtari, yes the initrd gets rebuilt when you install packages for other filesystems. I just tested it by |
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| 19:24.18 | KatolaZ | 21:08 < Tashtari> fsmithred: Ah, good to know. Thanks. |
| 19:24.21 | KatolaZ | 21:09 < Tashtari> devuan is not one of the linux distros that incorporates ZFS, is it? |
| 19:24.24 | KatolaZ | 21:09 < fsmithred> no, not by default |
| 19:24.26 | KatolaZ | 21:10 < fsmithred> zfs is available in the repo |
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| 19:24.39 | KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] |
| 19:24.42 | KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> [#devuan] mb b |
| 19:24.45 | KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] |
| 19:24.48 | KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> [#devuan] mb b |
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| 19:24.56 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 19:24.58 | KatolaZ | kid on the keyboard :\ |
| 19:26.04 | fsmithred | lol, was wondering what all that was |
| 19:33.26 | MinceR | lol |
| 19:33.45 | MinceR | kid might make a fine cat eventually |
| 19:35.23 | Tashtari | ..Hmm. Can I compress an initrd with xz and have it just work or does it have to be gzip? |
| 19:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: did you get a friendly warning of sigyn? |
| 19:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | iios |
| 19:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops even |
| 19:45.17 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: dunno |
| 19:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 19:45.29 | MinceR | and an unfriendly one? :> |
| 19:45.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | she's on your /ignore or why? |
| 19:45.44 | KatolaZ | who? |
| 19:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigyn |
| 19:45.54 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 19:46.02 | KatolaZ | who is sigyn? |
| 19:46.11 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 19:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | /whois Sigyn |
| 19:46.15 | KatolaZ | maybe the status window |
| 19:46.16 | DonkeyHotei | auto-kline bot |
| 19:46.27 | KatolaZ | oh ok |
| 19:46.41 | KatolaZ | Your actions in #devuan tripped automated anti-spam measures (flood..... |
| 19:46.46 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ is this one? |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it was a friendly last warning, taking into account your time in chanel? |
| 19:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sorry for pestering you with this, just want to check if everything works as it should) |
| 19:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess your cloak could have helped as well# |
| 19:50.15 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: it was not so friendly, indee |
| 19:50.17 | KatolaZ | ~indeed |
| 19:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | please quote |
| 19:50.29 | KatolaZ | stop now, or automated action will still be taken. |
| 19:50.30 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 19:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's as friendly as sigyn gets :-) |
| 19:50.50 | KatolaZ | fine |
| 19:50.51 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if sigyn ever hits on a flase positive, please holler immediately, there's a 30 minute time window to revert klines |
| 19:52.29 | banshi | hello |
| 19:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we miss that window, it's the usual "please user send an email to kline@freenode.org" or whatever, taking a few days to proceed |
| 19:52.46 | banshi | do we have network-manager in the latest devuan? |
| 19:52.58 | KatolaZ | banshi: apt-cache search -n network-manager |
| 19:53.21 | banshi | KatolaZ, I would do that if I had installed devuan |
| 19:53.35 | KatolaZ | banshi: http://pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 19:54.48 | banshi | network-manager-gnome is there |
| 19:54.59 | banshi | so yes |
| 19:55.03 | banshi | there is |
| 19:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg |
| 19:55.17 | infobot | somebody said #devuan packagelist was on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 19:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg is also http://pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 19:55.38 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 19:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 19:57.04 | KatolaZ | !pkg |
| 19:57.04 | infobot | it has been said that #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 19:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll "flood the channel" with bot admin to show what I did wrong |
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| 19:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | !literal pkg |
| 19:59.08 | infobot | "#devuan pkg" is "<reply>see #devuan packagelist" |
| 19:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | !literal _default pkg |
| 19:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm |
| 19:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | !_default pkg |
| 20:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever... |
| 20:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan packagelist is also http://pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 20:00.26 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg |
| 20:00.31 | infobot | #devuan packagelist is probably on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages, or http://pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 20:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/2brw - and sorry for the noise |
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