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| 00:25.30 | drwhite | hi folks, got a small query.. I tried to install something but I was unable to install it because it could not install itself. is this typical of some Debian things? |
| 00:28.26 | EHeM | "Could not install itself"? |
| 00:28.30 | gnarface | drwhite: no. you're gonna have to be more specific. |
| 00:30.50 | buZz | maybe denote what you tried to install |
| 00:30.56 | buZz | and post the actual error |
| 00:31.14 | drwhite | QMail |
| 00:31.41 | buZz | qmail/stable 1.06-6+b1 amd64 |
| 00:31.42 | buZz | ? |
| 00:31.50 | drwhite | I performed an install, it tried to install another thing alongside it, and it failed to install both because qmail requires qmail |
| 00:31.54 | drwhite | yes |
| 00:31.55 | buZz | now, whats the error? |
| 00:32.08 | buZz | apt install qmail works totally fine here |
| 00:32.20 | buZz | drwhite: perhaps you forget to do 'apt update' |
| 00:32.22 | drwhite | Devuan Ascii? |
| 00:32.23 | gnarface | drwhite: when you say "along side it" do you mean that you tried two installs in parallel? |
| 00:32.28 | buZz | drwhite: yes |
| 00:32.54 | drwhite | apt install qmail tried to install qmail and qmail-core |
| 00:33.02 | buZz | drwhite: do apt update first |
| 00:33.06 | drwhite | qmail required qmail. |
| 00:33.08 | buZz | it should totally just work without effort |
| 00:33.09 | drwhite | I did update |
| 00:33.17 | drwhite | This is why I am confused |
| 00:33.19 | buZz | then start posting a log to pastebin |
| 00:33.26 | drwhite | because it shold just have worked, but didn't. |
| 00:33.29 | buZz | as your description isnt making sense |
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| 00:34.32 | drwhite | now I just have to work out how to copy and paste it to a pastebin |
| 00:34.33 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.46 | buZz | drwhite: select in terminal , middleclick in pastebin |
| 00:34.49 | drwhite | I'll have to just type it.. |
| 00:34.55 | buZz | dont type ffs |
| 00:35.00 | drwhite | if it was that easy I would |
| 00:35.01 | buZz | 02:34:46 < buZz> drwhite: select in terminal , middleclick in pastebin |
| 00:35.08 | buZz | it literally is that easy |
| 00:35.10 | Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net <-- I think |
| 00:35.49 | drwhite | I'll have to unblock some things to get acess to one of those insecure pastebin websites. |
| 00:35.55 | buZz | cool |
| 00:36.06 | Xenguy | drwhite: This one should play nice |
| 00:36.24 | buZz | i'm sure you can be capable of finding a etherpad or pastebin you DO trust without complaining |
| 00:36.27 | buZz | :() |
| 00:36.50 | drwhite | no, I don't really trust any.. |
| 00:36.59 | buZz | so you're hosting your own? |
| 00:37.07 | drwhite | my trust is very very very hard to earn |
| 00:37.15 | drwhite | I have my own servers, yes |
| 00:37.22 | drwhite | (not in the cloud) |
| 00:37.26 | buZz | yet, hosting a txtfile is too much effort? |
| 00:37.31 | drwhite | i.e. (not on someone elses PC) |
| 00:37.48 | drwhite | You said to use a pastebin. |
| 00:38.13 | gnarface | drwhite: just paste it to me privately and *i'll* pastebin it for you |
| 00:38.14 | buZz | sure -a- |
| 00:38.34 | buZz | drwhite: that wasnt a invitation to boast about your mistrust of them |
| 00:38.38 | buZz | i was a attempt to help you |
| 00:38.46 | buZz | if you dont want help, the complaining is a good route |
| 00:38.56 | drwhite | I'm waiting for it to start. loil |
| 00:42.03 | gnarface | lets see here... i'm seeing in ascii, qmail, qmail-run, qmail-tools, qmail-uids-gids... no qmail-core. is it possible you're just looking for a package that has been renamed, drwhite? |
| 00:43.00 | drwhite | it wasn't core |
| 00:43.03 | drwhite | it was run |
| 00:43.06 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:43.10 | gnarface | just making sure |
| 00:43.15 | gnarface | details matter here |
| 00:43.36 | drwhite | yeah, understandable, it is the core that it couldn't install to install run which tries to install when I install qmail |
| 00:43.50 | drwhite | I know they matter, that's why I am gettign the log |
| 00:43.54 | buZz | qmail and qmail-run just install fine here |
| 00:44.18 | Xenguy | Are you running the same issue? |
| 00:44.20 | gnarface | wait, qmail-core shouldn't exist drwhite. if you're even seeing that in your error output you've got a non-devuan problem on your hands. |
| 00:44.37 | buZz | Xenguy: both ascii |
| 00:44.40 | Xenguy | k |
| 00:44.47 | gnarface | (typically this type of thing is caused by incomplete upgrades from another distro or mixed repository munging) |
| 00:45.09 | gnarface | (sometimes it can even be the result of a pre-upgrade package tree corruption) |
| 00:45.31 | gnarface | (using ubuntu PPAs causes this alot) |
| 00:46.01 | gnarface | maybe we should have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list, drwhite? |
| 00:47.14 | drwhite | the sources.list is what was defined on the Devuan website |
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| 00:47.34 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 00:47.41 | buZz | ragequit? :P |
| 00:47.46 | Xenguy | Not sure |
| 00:47.53 | buZz | or figured out he just had a typo |
| 00:48.00 | gnarface | oh, he is probably using auto.mirror.*... someone really outta update that |
| 00:49.30 | buZz | maybe he finally noticed the 404's ;) |
| 00:50.35 | golinux | We can't decommission auto.mirror because the isos ship with it. |
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| 00:51.11 | golinux | We've talked about creating new isos but even then someone might have an old iso laying around and try to use it. |
| 00:51.31 | gnarface | and we can't update it to redirect to deb.devuan.org either? |
| 00:51.52 | Xenguy | redirects, aha |
| 00:52.26 | golinux | It requires the new key to be installed. |
| 00:52.36 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:53.00 | golinux | A simple redirect will fail without it. |
| 00:53.16 | gnarface | and it's no good just changing the DNS entries? |
| 00:53.43 | gnarface | oh, right because you'd still need a new key on the disks |
| 00:53.49 | gnarface | well that's annoying |
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| 00:54.02 | golinux | If it were, don't you think it would have been done by now? |
| 00:58.57 | buZz | who knows golinux |
| 00:59.04 | buZz | it helps to talk about it, to grow realisation ;) |
| 01:03.07 | golinux | KatolaZ knows how all the repos are set up and their limitations. Other too. |
| 01:03.28 | golinux | buZz: are you in the right thread? |
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| 01:04.09 | buZz | no, i'm in the 6th one over from the middle |
| 01:04.14 | buZz | why? |
| 01:05.24 | golinux | Now I'm really confused. |
| 01:10.33 | buZz | golinux: hi really confused |
| 01:10.34 | buZz | i am buZz |
| 01:10.51 | golinux | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 01:12.51 | Xenguy | To Infinity and Beyond!!! |
| 01:23.06 | buZz | :D |
| 01:23.52 | buZz | > Contact light. |
| 01:24.00 | buZz | thats the only buzz quote that matters |
| 01:24.28 | EHeM | gnarface: The dependancies are qmail-run depends on qmail depends on qmail-uids-gids; qmail *recomends* qmail-run, so it may be trying to install qmail-run before qmail, which won't work. |
| 01:24.56 | EHeM | gnarface: Try `dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/qmail_*.deb`, then do back to APT. |
| 01:25.09 | buZz | i just did apt install qmail , and got qmail-run added |
| 01:25.43 | EHeM | buZz: Which means you're auto-installing recommends. |
| 01:25.50 | gnarface | EHeM: noted, but i wasn't the one having problems with it. that was drwhite who left before giving us enough info to go on. |
| 01:26.16 | EHeM | Doh! |
| 01:27.13 | EHeM | My eyes were elsewhere, I already have qmail installed and configured so I'm in a good position to give advice if I'm looking at the right place at the right time. |
| 01:27.56 | Xenguy | Good info in any case |
| 01:28.40 | EHeM | The next project after purging systemd should be to start making library dependancies optional, those are a really knotted web and making a few optional (libtool, or other) would be a massive improvement. |
| 01:29.00 | buZz | EHeM: too bad the dude who needed help didnt like to stay around for it |
| 01:29.36 | Xenguy | He got triggered as you say, perhaps |
| 01:30.31 | Xenguy | Even when IRC was busier, you still have to commit and engage to get answers you need |
| 01:30.41 | EHeM | Ever tried to build a desktop *without* *any* SQL library? This is very hard to do, though MySQL has heavily improved their security track-record (no more security hole of the week, now Qemu is taking a hit). |
| 01:30.52 | Xenguy | If people don't hang around, what can we do? |
| 01:31.16 | gnarface | hope they read the public lgs |
| 01:31.19 | gnarface | logs* |
| 02:02.02 | golinux | You do know that botbot is going away in Nov. IIRC |
| 02:02.38 | gnarface | no, i didn't know |
| 02:03.23 | gnarface | or at least, if i did, i forgot |
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| 02:05.18 | golinux | https://lincolnloop.com/blog/saying-goodbye-botbotme/ |
| 02:06.47 | golinux | Joerg has public logs and there is another one on dev1galaxy server but don't know how much traffic it can handle. |
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| 02:26.10 | FatPhil | EHeM: I think some cleaning up can be done just in the declared package dependencies - many "depends" are in reality "recommends" or even "enhances" relationships. |
| 02:28.03 | FatPhil | i once forcably nuked avahi off my system, whatever thing that depended on whatever thing that depended on whatever thing that depended on avahi worked just fine afterwards (some media player, possibly samba in the middle) |
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| 02:46.32 | EHeM | FatPhil: Libraries tend to be genuine "requires"; however, often the functionality provided by the library is optional, instead the libraries should be dlopen()/dlsym()/dlclose() so that they really become optional. |
| 02:47.42 | EHeM | Alternatively the build-time portion of linking needs to have a simpler way of marking dependancies as optional so developers take advantage more often. |
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| 03:09.44 | FatPhil | EHeM: yup, the ones that nark me are inter-app deps, not lib ones. I have to just trust lib deps without looking at the code. |
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| 03:23.38 | EHeM | Library dependancies are nearly always linked in at runtime, which means things break if the library is absent; meanwhile far too often extra libraries are nice in some circumstances, but bad in others. |
| 03:25.47 | FatPhil | yup, and of course some "lib*" packages aren't even linked objects, they're scripts for perl/etc. |
| 03:26.43 | FatPhil | just noticed a weird one, aptitude why libfcgi-perl just lied to me - it didn't mention libcgi-fast-perl at all. |
| 03:27.08 | EHeM | The standard libmailutils5 package depends upon guile-2.0-libs, libkyotocabinet16v5, and libmariadbclient18; the latter two are valuable for large sites, but a security liability for small sites; worse what if a site wants to use PostgresSQL for *everything* and wants to nuke MariaDB? |
| 03:30.29 | FatPhil | ouch |
| 03:31.32 | FatPhil | just doing a quick purge of unwanted pkgs, and I notice btrfs-tools, which is optional, depended on by noone, and certaily not selected by me. |
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| 03:41.12 | FatPhil | similarly fbterm - what's that doing on my device? |
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| 04:55.47 | snowbum | I have upgraded to 2 from 1. So perhaps this problem only occurs with an upgrade. I and am now using sddm with KDE 5 (Plasma 5 etc.) I noticed that there are now suspend and hibernate options on the K menu. However these only show up when sddm is restarted. Is this a dbus problem? |
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| 05:04.17 | snowbum | When I have time I will try a fresh install. |
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| 09:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey FatPhil! long time no see :-) |
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| 09:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | though no surprise to find you in the "untainted linux" camp |
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| 10:21.39 | baimafeima | Hi Devuan team, what do you think about https://postmeritocracy.org/ |
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| 10:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | bidevuan already has its own CoC |
| 10:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | baimafeima: devuan already has its own CoC |
| 10:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | apart from that, it's probably one of the cuter approaches as far as I can tell from scanning that document diagonally |
| 10:40.17 | baimafeima | i see |
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| 11:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen jaromil |
| 11:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | !seen jaromil |
| 11:17.23 | infobot | jaromil <~jaromil@devuan/developer/jaromil> was last seen on IRC in channel #devuan, 61d 21h 11s ago, saying: 'welcome'. |
| 11:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think https://postmeritocracy.org/ is quite possibly complementary to any CoC I would consider acceptable from my perspective, and thus I could imagine some of the devuan VUAs want to sign it |
| 11:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even refer/link to it from devuan's own CoC as complementary/background material on the topic |
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| 11:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | a 2 or 3 of the points in there are maybe arguable in their ambiguity though |
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| 11:47.02 | will_haven | CoC for normal people: 1. don't be a cunt 2. see one |
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| 12:08.46 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: stop trolling... |
| 12:29.31 | xkr47 | ?-) |
| 12:40.12 | [_D | everyone who proposes a CoC, should be lynched |
| 12:40.16 | [_D | it's just better that way |
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| 12:41.09 | [_D | didn't Debian Woman genderbaiting campaign had impact in swaying Debian into systemd btw |
| 12:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: huh? |
| 12:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry when CoC is a blacklisted term, I don't kbnow the correct one |
| 12:51.03 | Centurion_Dan | CoC's are the mark of the SJW... |
| 12:51.29 | Centurion_Dan | SJW's bring us nothing but badness... |
| 12:51.40 | booyah | woke-fives Centurion_Dan |
| 12:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: but seriously, please explain to me what exactly in my 6 lines answer to >><baimafeima> Hi Devuan team, what do you think about https://postmeritocracy.org/<< qaulified as trolling, otherwise I'm lost on how to stop it |
| 12:52.14 | Centurion_Dan | Devuan has enough challenges to worry about CoC... |
| 12:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, what's a SJW? |
| 12:52.40 | booyah | CoC is a codename for idiotic political correctness |
| 12:52.41 | Centurion_Dan | And that particular example is absolutely dripping with SJW drool... |
| 12:53.05 | Centurion_Dan | Social Justice Warrior |
| 12:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, sorry seems this is a quicksand topic. I'm out, please delete my posts from all logs |
| 12:53.59 | KatolaZ | you see |
| 12:54.13 | KatolaZ | nothing good out of CoC discussions :) |
| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you said "CoC"!!!! |
| 12:54.49 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: also happens to be off topic. |
| 12:55.00 | KatolaZ | (and we got a couple of releases out without a CoC...) |
| 12:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, really? |
| 12:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recall hellekin and jaromil and a few others once wrote a document that somehow was as much on/off-topic as this discussion now |
| 12:57.08 | Centurion_Dan | sure... and we've all done it... but the timing given what's suddenly occurred with Linus, it felt like trolling... |
| 12:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? what happened with linus? |
| 12:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | what happend with the linux community? are you all overstressed? |
| 12:58.40 | Centurion_Dan | he apologized for being harsh in his criticisms of bad code... |
| 12:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARRRGH!!! |
| 12:59.26 | mns` | " I've talked to Greg to ask him if he'd mind finishing up 4.19 for me," |
| 12:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | now when you mix this with the above stuff, thats a disgusting cocktail for sure |
| 12:59.47 | mns` | The new Boss, greg kroah-hartman A systemD apologist |
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| 13:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:00.17 | Centurion_Dan | and has taken time away from kernel dev'ing to get re-edumacated into understanding peoples feelings.. |
| 13:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: no trolling intended on my side, no such context was available to me. I agree on CoC being an annoyance mostly, and I'm not in the modd to discuss any of this any longer at least today, since I'm sure I would get grumpy from doing so. So I'm out. Sorry again |
| 13:02.49 | Centurion_Dan | I posted a few choice words about my thoughts on it in #debianfork yesterday.... |
| 13:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not in #debianfork for pretty much exactly same rationale |
| 13:03.42 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: It's ok, I had my tongue firmly stuck in my cheek when I used the term trolling ;-) |
| 13:04.44 | Centurion_Dan | but enough said.. |
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| 13:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a completely different topic (maybe only linked via idea of "meritocracy"): I wondered if a few new @devuan/* cloaks are due |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | devuan/developer, devuan/community, devuan/supporter |
| 13:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | very effective and low expense for community-building and fostering visibility |
| 13:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think particularly @devuan/community/<USER> cloaks should and could get handed out very liberally |
| 13:34.55 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: now that's a good idea!! |
| 13:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me know what you want, I'll manage the FN "bureaucracy" |
| 13:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | needed: list of *account* (NOT nick) names, and cloak to assign to each |
| 13:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a possibly simple approach: assign @devuan/community/<USER> to all users in #devuan-community-cloak at 2018-09-29 |
| 13:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever "authority" or council may have a review prior to that |
| 13:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a topic for your meetings? |
| 13:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | make that "...to all VOICED users in #devuan-community-cloak..." |
| 13:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | voicing/unvoicing should be allowed for all devuan team members as in #devuan-dev (+v there) |
| 13:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW *!*@devuan/developer/* |
| 13:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +v were set on *!*@devuan/developer/* in #devuan-community-cloak |
| 13:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | use it or ignore it, anyway it's available now |
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