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| 10:05.27 | Centurion_Dan | anyone here had success with intel cedartrail based systems running Devuan with X?? |
| 10:11.34 | FlibberTGibbet | had mint then an early beta of devuan both running slooooowly on a 1st-gen atom but got rid of it ages ago, so sadly not :( |
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| 11:04.08 | Centurion_Dan | FlibberTGibbet: can you recall if you needed to do anything with firmware for the gpu? |
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| 14:27.15 | EHeM | 37.220.36.58 (one of the deb.devuan.org mirrors) is giving 403 errors. |
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| 14:30.13 | KatolaZ | EHeM: how are you conytacting it? |
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| 14:30.33 | EHeM | HTTPS, `apt-get update`. |
| 14:30.43 | KatolaZ | ASCII or ceres? |
| 14:31.05 | EHeM | Stable. |
| 14:31.26 | KatolaZ | ASCII? |
| 14:31.40 | KatolaZ | I can't detect any fault on that right now |
| 14:32.00 | KatolaZ | which file is missing? |
| 14:32.08 | KatolaZ | EHeM: ^^ |
| 14:32.59 | EHeM | The Release files for security, updates, backports, and looks like the main one too. |
| 14:33.07 | KatolaZ | EHeM: impossible |
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| 14:33.17 | KatolaZ | I have cheked all of them right now and they are present and updated |
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| 14:33.51 | KatolaZ | EHeM: are you hitting the mirror through deb.devuan.org? |
| 14:33.52 | EHeM | I didn't type that they were missing, what I typed was that they were giving 403 Forbidden errors. |
| 14:33.58 | EHeM | Yes. |
| 14:34.25 | KatolaZ | EHeM: and I typed that I have successfully retrieved and checked them against pkgmaster right now... |
| 14:34.35 | KatolaZ | can you please try again? |
| 14:34.55 | EHeM | I nuked the cache so I hit another mirror and successfully retrieved them. |
| 14:35.07 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 14:35.09 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 14:35.18 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 14:35.48 | KatolaZ | I will have a closer look then |
| 14:36.09 | EHeM | That particular one has been routinely giving 403 errors whenever I get that one. |
| 14:36.25 | KatolaZ | EHeM: I have tried from three different locations across europe |
| 14:36.28 | KatolaZ | three different networks |
| 14:36.38 | KatolaZ | and can retrieve them and verify them |
| 14:36.39 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 14:36.44 | mns` | https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/09/17/0022228/linus-torvalds-reflects-on-how-hes-been-hostile-to-linux-community-members-over-the-years-issues-apology-and-announces-he-will-be-taking-some-time-off |
| 14:36.51 | EHeM | I'm trying from North America. |
| 14:36.56 | mns` | say hello to the new boss: greg kroah-hartman |
| 14:46.13 | EHeM | mns`: Looks a bit different from the old boss. |
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| 15:01.51 | FatPhil | yikes, my (laptop) jessie gparted is refusing to resize the partition on my (raspi) ascii bootable card |
| 15:02.05 | FatPhil | e2fsck 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014)<br />/dev/sdb2 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum< |
| 15:02.06 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: you need gdisk |
| 15:02.08 | FatPhil | br />e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck! |
| 15:02.11 | KatolaZ | expert mode |
| 15:02.31 | KatolaZ | use "e: move metadata blocks at the end of the disk" |
| 15:02.34 | KatolaZ | then remove the partition |
| 15:02.37 | KatolaZ | and re-create it |
| 15:03.54 | FatPhil | yay, text-mode too. fricken hate guiclickification of everything |
| 15:04.40 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: I think some version of gparted won't have support for GPT metadata |
| 15:05.02 | KatolaZ | I tried the procedure above on a couple of GPT ASCII images (ARM) |
| 15:05.08 | KatolaZ | it works seamlessly |
| 15:05.20 | KatolaZ | we could actually provide a script for that... |
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| 15:05.30 | FatPhil | Ug, throws up a big warning about partition table types |
| 15:05.50 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: are you using gdisk? |
| 15:05.55 | KatolaZ | gdisk knows about GPT |
| 15:06.11 | KatolaZ | fdisk will most probably bork the whole thing |
| 15:06.38 | fsmithred | I ran into that same error message yesterday. |
| 15:06.48 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: from gdisk? |
| 15:06.53 | FatPhil | freshly installed jessie gdisk 1.0.0 |
| 15:07.01 | fsmithred | I created a partition and file system on the hard drive using ascii (gparted) |
| 15:07.06 | KatolaZ | which warning exactly? |
| 15:07.12 | fsmithred | then I installed a refracta jessie on that partition |
| 15:07.30 | fsmithred | and when I booted into the installed system, fsck complained about unsupported features |
| 15:07.45 | fsmithred | so I reinstalled and let the installer format the partition |
| 15:08.12 | fsmithred | it's a filesystem issue, not a partition issue |
| 15:08.17 | FatPhil | Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format in memory. THIS OPERATION IS POTENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE... |
| 15:09.50 | fsmithred | FatPhil, if you have an ascii live-cd, you can probably boot that and resize without problems |
| 15:09.57 | FatPhil | might be simpler to just keep a system partition and have a separate one for all my stuff on the rest of the space. |
| 15:10.07 | fsmithred | that's a good plan anyway |
| 15:10.14 | FatPhil | fsmithred: raspi - not CD anyway |
| 15:10.33 | fsmithred | can you boot from usb? |
| 15:11.10 | fsmithred | I'm kinda clueless about raspi |
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| 15:11.31 | FatPhil | not that I know of. I've not yet booted this device yet, the old versions were hard coded to boot off the SD card. |
| 15:12.08 | fsmithred | how are you trying to resize it? Where is jessie? |
| 15:12.27 | FatPhil | jessie's on my lappy that has a card reader |
| 15:13.04 | fsmithred | so either boot the laptop with ascii (usb or cd) or else re-format the partition with jessie |
| 15:13.10 | FatPhil | should probably dist-upgrade, but g/f also uses it so don't want to change too much under her feet. |
| 15:14.06 | fsmithred | but you probably want to save the data that's on the card, so reformat would not be an option |
| 15:14.09 | FatPhil | jessie's tools are complaining about the filesystem |
| 15:14.31 | fsmithred | yeah, if you don't need the data, let jessie make a new filesystem |
| 15:14.56 | FatPhil | it's the bootable card - it's not "data" it's "OS"! |
| 15:15.07 | fsmithred | but I assume you have an ascii image on the card, so it's probably better to use ascii to resize |
| 15:15.19 | fsmithred | os is data in this context |
| 15:15.46 | fsmithred | something on the card you don't want to lose |
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| 15:16.10 | FatPhil | indeed |
| 15:16.31 | fsmithred | so, boot ascii live media and resize |
| 15:17.02 | fsmithred | or do a debootstrap ascii install on jessie, chroot into ascii and resize. |
| 15:17.45 | FatPhil | resizing a partition should not have to involve installing OSes, or booting new kernels. |
| 15:17.53 | fsmithred | you could make the laptop dual-boot jessie/ascii to make the transition smoother |
| 15:18.04 | fsmithred | (thinking ahead) |
| 15:20.02 | fsmithred | there's a newer e2fsprogs in jessie-backports |
| 15:20.16 | fsmithred | you could install that on laptop and then be able to resize, I think |
| 15:21.06 | FatPhil | oooh, yeah, I normally pull in backports, I notice I've not done that yet on this laptop. |
| 15:21.13 | fsmithred | I have to go. bbl. |
| 15:21.15 | FatPhil | good idea. |
| 15:21.18 | FatPhil | thanks |
| 15:21.22 | fsmithred | yw |
| 15:21.34 | fsmithred | (always looking for the easiest solution) |
| 15:23.44 | FatPhil | it's just a bit weird that the fs features were recognised by a jessie program, but not sufficiently manipulable. |
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| 17:06.01 | ejr | how can i stop devuan from searching for a network connection on startup when eth0 is not connected? it always says for one minute that it is waiting for a lock on ifstate.eth0 or something |
| 17:13.34 | EHeM | Recent versions of `fdisk` will work with GPT (and also a number of older niche formats) just fine. |
| 17:14.26 | EHeM | did in fact use the Debian `fdisk` to setup a Sun table on a disk and was able to get it to boot. |
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| 17:31.11 | EHeM | (and not by having the firmware load the boot-block from another device!) |
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| 18:27.45 | _abc_ | Re. I have the problem I described before, under certain circumstances, on ascii desktop, starting a new console from the iconbar icon start two of them. I instrumented x-termina-emulator (Perl script) to log it's actvations by the gui, and it is activated only once per click on icon. But it sometimes opens two x-terminal-emulator windows. Has anyone else seen this? Two app instances launched when clicking |
| 18:27.51 | _abc_ | icon in icon bar? |
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| 18:36.04 | _abc_ | killed the channel? |
| 18:41.58 | _abc_ | Is the tor package in the ascii distrib as up to date as the one on the tor website? |
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| 19:27.02 | FatPhil | well, RasPi3 boots the new ascii image, but looked like it took 3 attempts, I got no HDMI signal the first couple of times (and therefore no way of knowing what was going wrong). |
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| 19:38.06 | FatPhil | Humourously, I notice the installation medium has an 'optional' systemd package which needs upgrading. |
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| 19:51.53 | gnarface | _abc_: it's just slow here. you're sure it's not the mouse, right? |
| 19:52.22 | gnarface | FatPhil: on the rpi1 image, i still needed to set up the config file just like on raspbian |
| 19:52.31 | gnarface | (mabye that would help you too) |
| 19:52.44 | gnarface | i manually set the HDMI mode/resolution |
| 19:52.59 | gnarface | sighs |
| 19:53.32 | _abc_ | gnarface: yes, I made it log calls, it is called once only |
| 19:53.45 | gnarface | that's weird |
| 19:54.27 | _abc_ | Indeed. And it only happens sometimes. Usually with high system load and or copious swapping |
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| 19:55.01 | _abc_ | I assume some smart kid coded the app start as a checked-start and re-starts it if it's not in the process table after x milliseconds "in case something kills it"? |
| 19:55.05 | _abc_ | I have seen such things before. |
| 19:55.32 | gnarface | i couldn't say, but that sounds possible |
| 19:55.51 | _abc_ | There is no choice. I'll look at the Perl code again, maybe it's there. |
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| 20:02.49 | _abc_ | nothing intersting there |
| 20:03.16 | _abc_ | only thing is, it's dbus-registered. Maybe that? |
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| 20:04.47 | gnarface | you're not running a custom kernel are you, _abc_? |
| 20:04.55 | _abc_ | nope, vanilla |
| 20:06.41 | gnarface | if you stop dbus, will the terminal still launch? |
| 20:08.58 | gnarface | blaming it on dbus is as good an idea as any |
| 20:09.30 | gnarface | does it also sometimes happen to applications you've set to auto-launch? |
| 20:11.21 | gnarface | the xfce forum suggests it may be a problem with ~/.cache/sessions corruption |
| 20:12.55 | gnarface | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164354 |
| 20:13.06 | gnarface | actually i found it in the arch linux forum, but they refer to the xfce forum |
| 20:13.40 | gnarface | i'm wondering if you're maybe seeing it launch twice because you had just logged in and not realized it's auto-launching an instance from the last session without askinng you |
| 20:14.18 | gnarface | some people in the xfce forum are complaining of a bug with the sessions caching the programs to auto-launch even if you turn it off |
| 20:14.22 | gnarface | you seeing any of that behavior? |
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| 21:36.36 | _abc_ | gnarface: no, I am logged in properly, and it happens depending on high load. High load, swapping, causes it to happen. Also it's always two copies, not more. |
| 21:37.47 | _abc_ | I have not seen it with other apps but Firefox which is also launched from there got a wrapper from me (I wrote it), to launch single-instance in all cases, and open new tabs not new windows. Unrelated. |
| 21:38.11 | _abc_ | So this is not related to auto-launching at all |
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| 21:38.43 | will_haven | lmde/debian stable, removing systemd... doable? |
| 21:41.04 | EHeM | Default Devuan installation lacks it, libsystemd is being slowly ripped out. |
| 21:49.26 | _abc_ | gnarface: example: Thunar is started from the same place and never seem to start as a duplicate |
| 21:56.26 | gnarface | hmmmm |
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| 23:30.26 | golinux | will_haven: Can't remember anyone ever trying that. If it's a rolling release based on Buster, probably not because our Beowulf hasn't seen much love yet. |
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