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| 14:42.38 | Hurgotron | userspace. isc-dhcp, I had problems with that one before, requesting Ip twice etc. Maybe the same issue? |
| 14:43.07 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 14:43.12 | gnarface | maybe, but not an issue i've seen |
| 14:43.24 | gnarface | that's actually usually caused by a misconfigured dhcp server |
| 14:43.30 | gnarface | or... two of them |
| 14:43.35 | Hurgotron | I consider the important part to fix the underlying issue, so that others don#t waste time on it... |
| 14:43.36 | gnarface | warring dhcp servers on the lan |
| 14:44.01 | gnarface | you might want to check your network and make sure the dhcp server you know about is the only one |
| 14:44.24 | gnarface | i think there's cases where certain versions of windows might by default provide a fully operational wifi gateway with dhcp ... |
| 14:45.04 | gnarface | it *shouldn't* be requesting an ip twice |
| 14:45.19 | gnarface | it's far more likely it's requesting an ip *once* and getting two responses |
| 14:45.22 | Hurgotron | please check the chanlogs for DHCPDECLINE. Definetely no server issue - it works with eberything else and before upgrading to ascii |
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| 14:47.11 | Hurgotron | since this is the second time I have issues with dhcp causing weird issues, there might be some common problem. |
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| 14:47.52 | gnarface | i don't have any access to channel logs that you do not also have |
| 14:48.09 | Hurgotron | I just meant, if you want to know what i was talkign about :) |
| 14:49.13 | Hurgotron | me and unmy had the problem that ascii was requesting an IP from the DHCP server, then giving DHCPDECLINE, requesting a new one. I somethines had both IPs set after that. |
| 14:50.02 | gnarface | it could be a bug but it still sounds like a misconfiguration to me |
| 14:50.28 | Hurgotron | and my issue is not solved. machine still can't rename the interfaces |
| 14:50.30 | gnarface | like the first one it gets has an invalid network mask or something |
| 14:50.53 | gnarface | but then maybe after the second one changes it, the first one becomes valid again |
| 14:51.16 | Hurgotron | it went away after changing allow-hotplug to auto. |
| 14:53.52 | gnarface | allow-hotplug causes other issues for me too |
| 14:54.38 | gnarface | i can't say i've tested it extensively |
| 14:55.07 | gnarface | personally i think it was a mistake to make it the default even for non-removable devices |
| 15:00.04 | unmy | there have to be some conflict between network service - isc client and sysvinit |
| 15:01.22 | unmy | udhcpc working just fine |
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| 15:17.03 | Hurgotron | ok, I'm now renaming my ethernet interfaces to lan0 .. lan5 in order to avoid the eth renaming collisions. *sigh* |
| 15:17.37 | Hurgotron | not what I wanted, but... I can work with it. |
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| 15:37.54 | gnarface | Hurgotron, unmy: which DHCP server are you using? |
| 15:38.33 | gnarface | you may be right but i still suspect there is another variable either way |
| 15:38.50 | gnarface | or more people would be seeing this |
| 15:39.17 | gnarface | that said, there are a few DHCP clients available in the repo |
| 15:39.23 | gnarface | they're probably all worth comparing |
| 15:39.42 | gnarface | but if i had to bet money on one behaving the most correctly according to the specifications it would be the ISC one |
| 15:40.31 | gnarface | i've seen *all kinds of* whack misbehavior coming from various DHCP servers however, built into various plastic box routers and a couple windows boxes... |
| 15:41.19 | gnarface | and more than once, a rogue DHCP server that avoided 2 double-checks for rogue DHCP servers |
| 15:43.05 | unmy | gnarface, dnsmasq from openwrt updated to latest every month |
| 15:43.22 | unmy | and no windows in my lan |
| 15:43.39 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 15:43.53 | unmy | just other "smart" devices and windows just from time to time to fix somebody laptop/pc |
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| 18:28.25 | Fjalar | Has anybody here ver installed LTSP? Running into trouble with ltsp-build-client on Ascii. |
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| 18:56.07 | Pr0metheus | any suggestion for a browser? Firefox has no sound after removing pulseaudio, Web hangs on videos,... |
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| 19:01.54 | debdog | Pr0metheus: just as a hint: there's apulse available, a "PulseAudio emulation for ALSA" |
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| 19:06.06 | gnarface | Pr0metheus: doesn't firefox-esr behave better? |
| 19:07.24 | Pr0metheus | gnarface: the new viersion of firefox works very fast, but without pulseaudio it has no sound, i think I'll try debdog's suggestion and see if it can do anything |
| 19:08.28 | gnarface | oh, i guess the new firefox-esr is broke again too |
| 19:09.22 | gnarface | so nevermind |
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| 19:11.40 | debdog | hmm, hasn't there been an attempt for a browser comparison page somewhere? cannot find it atm |
| 19:12.59 | Pr0metheus | debdog well most pages mention chrome firefox web and midori (the last I have never used) and some other forks iceweasel |
| 19:19.46 | debdog | usually I use https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#contrib (Contributed builds, Linux/x86_64 (some of FF's plugins work with it)) |
| 19:21.22 | debdog | other's I've heard of: http://linux.palemoon.org/ http://www.basilisk-browser.org/ |
| 19:28.31 | Pr0metheus | debdog thanks for the suggestions, I'll give palemoon a try |
| 19:30.47 | gnarface | we need a proliferation of firefox forks |
| 19:31.03 | gnarface | or just... not even firefox forks. just a bunch more browsers based on the gecko renderer |
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| 19:48.31 | debdog | I wonder where' the catch is with this browser https://vivaldi.com/ it sounds all too good? |
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| 19:50.21 | gnarface | probably like midori it's just missing a complete CSS or JavaScript implementation |
| 19:50.29 | golinux | debdog: The UI is proprietary. |
| 19:51.13 | debdog | ahh |
| 19:51.32 | golinux | Everything else is open. |
| 19:51.43 | golinux | iirc |
| 19:51.59 | Pr0metheus | debdog I also read telemetry cannot be disabled |
| 19:52.08 | golinux | It is very slick but troublesome that it takes so long to load |
| 19:52.21 | zdzichu | this is basically chromium fork by people from opera browser |
| 19:52.46 | golinux | I occasionally use it for testing but not as a daily driver. |
| 19:57.02 | Pr0metheus | is anyone on ceres? is eudev updgrade working for you? |
| 19:58.12 | zdzichu | heh, the BSD people knows it, too: Benno Rice: The Tragedy of systemd -- BSDCan 2018 |
| 20:00.29 | gnarface | are you getting a package conflict about some polkit stuff when trying to switch to it, Pr0metheus? |
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| 20:00.49 | gnarface | or maybe it wants to remove udev and your running kernel along with it? |
| 20:01.44 | Pr0metheus | no, it fails to install eudev |
| 20:01.55 | Pr0metheus | there is an inconsistency with the libraries |
| 20:01.56 | Hurgotron | zdzichu: That piece is rather positive about systemd. But misrepresenting the facts, IMO. |
| 20:02.01 | gnarface | Pr0metheus: that's what i mean |
| 20:02.13 | Hurgotron | I wanted to write a repyl, but lack the time currently. |
| 20:02.13 | gnarface | Pr0metheus: i think that's the package conflict i'm referring to |
| 20:02.18 | golinux | I think that the pkgs in ceres are older than the ones in ascii |
| 20:02.34 | Pr0metheus | oh great:P |
| 20:02.48 | Pr0metheus | I downgraded after the upgrade because eudev got broken |
| 20:03.03 | golinux | That's going to change with beowulf. All development will go into unstabe . |
| 20:03.19 | golinux | And work it's way to where it needs to go. |
| 20:03.31 | golinux | -' |
| 20:03.50 | gnarface | the eudev package in ceres seems to be newer |
| 20:03.51 | zdzichu | Hurgotron: haven't seen it yet; you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeWu1fZ7bY ? |
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| 20:03.56 | gnarface | maybe some polkit stuff isn't tho0ugh... |
| 20:03.56 | Pr0metheus | better to save manpower |
| 20:03.57 | golinux | You can compare version #s here https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ |
| 20:04.39 | golinux | pick the most recent one wherever that is |
| 20:04.41 | gnarface | i'm still using regular udev on ceres, but there were problems switching to it in ascii that required weird workarounds in some cases (rm /etc/init.d/udev) |
| 20:04.45 | Pr0metheus | the packaged version though seem to require previous versions of libeudev |
| 20:05.24 | Pr0metheus | I believe eudev on ceres works for me (the previous version) |
| 20:07.14 | golinux | Then downgrade |
| 20:07.48 | Pr0metheus | yes |
| 20:07.54 | golinux | Work will start after the August holidays in EU. Nothing is happening atm. |
| 20:08.22 | Hurgotron | zdzichu: yes, that's the one. |
| 20:08.44 | Pr0metheus | yeap I know I am in EU:P |
| 20:09.15 | golinux | It's a bit frustrating for those of us who don't turn off. |
| 20:09.44 | Pr0metheus | lol |
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| 20:13.03 | Pr0metheus | debdog: apulse: Firefox 58 tabs crashing when trying to play audio ... |
| 20:14.04 | Pr0metheus | are you guys using synaptic or anything else instead? |
| 20:18.09 | gnarface | wait you got apulse from the repo? i thought it wasn't in there... |
| 20:18.39 | gnarface | it's working for me in firefox 60 |
| 20:18.45 | gnarface | but it's a copy i built myself |
| 20:20.12 | Pr0metheus | yeap it's there but I didn't download it, just read the apulse site |
| 20:21.57 | gnarface | wait, how do you have firefox 58 in ceres right now anyway? |
| 20:22.26 | gnarface | you should have firefox-esr 60.1.0esr-2 and firefox 61.0.1-1 |
| 20:22.28 | Pr0metheus | I don't I assumed since apulse doesn't work with Firefox 58 because some function calls are not possible, it wouldn't for 60... |
| 20:22.46 | Pr0metheus | ok let me try to install it, I hope it doesn't break alsa:P |
| 20:22.48 | gnarface | my apulse build is apparently from january and it's working fine |
| 20:23.05 | gnarface | so if you're having problems it might be with the newer apulse version |
| 20:24.04 | Pr0metheus | hm, will try to reboot, no sound in firefox yet |
| 20:24.23 | gnarface | you've got sound with other stuff, right? you checked speaker-test, right? |
| 20:24.30 | Pr0metheus | yeap other things work |
| 20:24.36 | gnarface | hmm. weird |
| 20:24.45 | Pr0metheus | let me reboot |
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| 20:31.18 | Pr0metheus | nope apulse doesn't work for me |
| 20:32.11 | gnarface | does it just not work with firefox? |
| 20:32.17 | gnarface | or does it not work with anything? |
| 20:32.31 | Pr0metheus | tried also the xfce plugin for pulse audio and it didn't work, was waiting to connect |
| 20:38.26 | gnarface | you could try an older apulse build maybe? |
| 20:39.25 | gnarface | i'm curious if the version i have would work for you |
| 20:39.58 | Pr0metheus | did you build a deb? |
| 20:40.04 | gnarface | yes |
| 20:40.33 | Pr0metheus | you can send it over and I can try |
| 20:43.06 | gnarface | i wouldn't, because i'm not sure it is anonymous |
| 20:43.22 | gnarface | but it appears i didn't keep a copy anyway |
| 20:43.34 | gnarface | the best i'd be able to do is send you a tarball of files |
| 20:43.42 | gnarface | minus the package |
| 20:45.15 | Pr0metheus | it's ok |
| 20:46.05 | gnarface | how'd you build yours? |
| 20:46.20 | golinux | Pr0metheus: Search the forum and dng for past discussion og apulse. |
| 20:46.31 | golinux | og > of |
| 20:46.56 | golinux | I know that people have used it successfully in the past. |
| 20:48.22 | Pr0metheus | palemoon works with sound |
| 20:48.56 | Pr0metheus | and seems to work fast |
| 20:53.47 | Pr0metheus | one funny thing is that after moving from stretch to ceres, in an attempt to fix some issues I removed and reinstalled packages. That resulted in removing all Devuan icons I used for the XFCE menus:P |
| 20:54.44 | gnarface | yikes |
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| 21:17.55 | Pr0metheus | bye bye firefox, pulseaudio, systemd, virtualbox, gnome-most but it seems that seahorse is irreplaceable |
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