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| 00:19.05 | *** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release | This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | off-topic conversation in #debianfork please | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 00:55.08 | inerkick | Hi Team. Yesterday I installed DevuanAscii using CD1 ISO. Howevever midway I lost the internet connection while it was installation some softwares. Now it said I can install it later . It gave me only terminal login, how to access the GUI. Kindly help, startx and ctrl+alt+F7 isn't working to get in |
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| 00:57.21 | inerkick | I am able to give login , password in tty1 |
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| 01:02.07 | djph | did you install a desktop environment? |
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| 01:02.51 | inerkick | it didn't give me that option that time |
| 01:03.00 | inerkick | I need to I guess, while installation i lost the network, |
| 01:03.35 | djph | could be just easier to reinstall |
| 01:03.40 | inerkick | now i'm only getting the tty1 when I boot up. It completed the installation but missed many packages |
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| 01:04.02 | inerkick | is it like sudo apt-get install lxde as such |
| 01:04.21 | inerkick | or is there any other way, i mean issue related to breaking of internet |
| 01:04.31 | inerkick | and I'm not sure how to access internet from tty1, could you help help, djph |
| 01:05.16 | djph | yes, the issue is "you didn't get all the packages" |
| 01:05.46 | inerkick | right |
| 01:06.04 | djph | and the easiest fix is "reinstall" |
| 01:06.15 | inerkick | ok thanks |
| 01:06.19 | g4570n | inerkick: try tasksel |
| 01:06.20 | inerkick | will go with that than |
| 01:07.17 | inerkick | i got a window g4570n with tasksel but i gave xfce, it got me debconf failed to run |
| 01:08.38 | g4570n | ok |
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| 01:09.23 | inerkick | Is there anyway I can connect to my wifi and install that package left out? g4570n |
| 01:09.28 | inerkick | or would you suggest to reinstall |
| 01:12.15 | g4570n | I think it's best to reinstall |
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| 01:35.30 | golinux | FTR, the netinstall is not a good choice for an unstable connection. pkgs that make things more functional are on the other CDs. Use the DVD on desktop-live |
| 01:35.56 | golinux | DVD OR desktop-live for a complete install. |
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| 03:14.25 | inerkick | Hi . I recently installed Devuan Ascii using CD.iso with a USB drive. However when I try to install other package through synaptic package manager I am getting "Please insert the disk labeled devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_cd_1 in drive/media/cdrom/ .. what to do? It's not even allowing me to insert pendrive and check that |
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| 03:28.58 | inerkick | any tip |
| 03:32.26 | inerkick | Devuan Ascii using CD.iso with a USB drive. However when I try to install other package through synaptic package manager I am getting "Please insert the disk labeled devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_cd_1 in drive/media/cdrom/ .. what to do? It's not even allowing me to insert pendrive and check that |
| 03:37.23 | Criggie | ok - edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD line |
| 03:37.32 | Criggie | then try again |
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| 03:46.10 | inerkick | i was just doing that while searched on google. Thanks Criggie |
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| 03:55.23 | golinux | inerkick: I posted this earlier but you had gone. |
| 03:55.28 | golinux | <golinux> FTR, the netinstall is not a good choice for an unstable connection. pkgs that make things more functional are on the other CDs. Use the DVD on desktop-live |
| 03:56.15 | inerkick | I was told by one friend that networkmanager isn't availabe? Is it true? |
| 03:56.22 | golinux | Oops (again) DVD or desktop-live to get a desktop up and running (if that's what you want). |
| 03:56.42 | inerkick | i already got it up and running and was installing other packages,, golinux |
| 03:56.55 | inerkick | wonder why there was no network manager |
| 03:57.14 | golinux | Your friend is wrong: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=network-manager&release=ascii |
| 03:57.49 | inerkick | thank you golinux |
| 03:57.56 | golinux | Good to hear you got it worked out. |
| 03:58.09 | inerkick | yes. |
| 03:58.21 | inerkick | I have few issues and still wrapping my head around |
| 03:58.29 | inerkick | like why not mouse tap click not working |
| 03:58.56 | inerkick | it didn't add me as sudo user too at the beginning |
| 03:59.14 | golinux | Would need more info than that to troubleshoot. |
| 03:59.39 | golinux | This is not Ubuntu. Sudo is not enabled by default. |
| 03:59.56 | inerkick | I mean when I tried to install deb packages it was asking me to give CD path in media |
| 04:00.06 | golinux | There would have been an option to do that in the installer iirc. |
| 04:00.11 | inerkick | and I have to remove that, and I couldn't sudo edit the sources.list path |
| 04:00.40 | inerkick | so i just added the sudo path and than got debi package manager |
| 04:00.42 | golinux | Try su |
| 04:00.49 | inerkick | just got it now |
| 04:01.03 | golinux | Great. |
| 04:01.09 | inerkick | how to install network manager from https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=network-manager&release=ascii |
| 04:01.14 | inerkick | that link? |
| 04:01.24 | inerkick | there are so many |
| 04:01.44 | inerkick | sorry for being naive . Just new to this |
| 04:02.31 | golinux | Install from terminal or synaptic |
| 04:02.47 | inerkick | cool |
| 04:02.54 | golinux | pkginfo is just to check if something is available |
| 04:03.06 | inerkick | ah ok |
| 04:03.10 | inerkick | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.13 | golinux | And for which release |
| 04:03.21 | golinux | No ppas here |
| 04:03.34 | inerkick | ok |
| 04:04.07 | golinux | And ONLY use devuan repos. Debian or other sources could break your system. |
| 04:04.37 | inerkick | how to know that |
| 04:05.01 | inerkick | i was installing networkmanager gnome from synpatic manager now |
| 04:05.20 | inerkick | and i already installed vscode |
| 04:05.57 | golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=vscode&release=ascii |
| 04:06.06 | golinux | Where did you get that? |
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| 04:08.54 | golinux | Ah, Open Source not free (libre) software. That license is a kicker. |
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| 04:09.53 | golinux | Why would you do that do your beautiful Devuan system? |
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| 04:10.28 | inerkick_ | hi golinux |
| 04:10.40 | golinux | I answered while you were away. |
| 04:10.41 | inerkick_ | sorry I keep losing network |
| 04:11.12 | golinux | You can read it here https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
| 04:11.48 | inerkick_ | thanks |
| 04:12.57 | inerkick_ | so you mean vscode shouldn't be used at all? |
| 04:16.01 | inerkick_ | i need to install elixir, erlang and vscode. |
| 04:16.44 | golinux | It's your choice to turn Linux into windows. |
| 04:17.02 | golinux | Why not just use Windows? |
| 04:17.07 | inerkick_ | :D |
| 04:17.31 | inerkick_ | I don't mind using other editor, |
| 04:18.00 | golinux | I have never heard of any of those applications. |
| 04:18.25 | inerkick_ | Oh I'm sorry than |
| 04:18.54 | inerkick_ | there are many open source contributors using so many applications and some are from windows too |
| 04:19.27 | golinux | Not to be sorry. Just if you're going to use Linux , use native libre software. |
| 04:19.29 | inerkick_ | and some got different license as well |
| 04:19.42 | inerkick_ | libre software is not for software coding |
| 04:19.55 | golinux | The fact that that doesn't matter to you is disturbing. |
| 04:19.58 | gnarface | blinks twice |
| 04:20.03 | inerkick_ | Are you a programmer? |
| 04:20.07 | golinux | HUH? |
| 04:20.44 | inerkick_ | do you code? |
| 04:20.51 | golinux | gnarface: Please take over, this is creeping me out. |
| 04:21.02 | gnarface | i had better not |
| 04:21.04 | golinux | inerkick. Yes in a text editor. |
| 04:21.16 | inerkick_ | which one do you use? |
| 04:21.17 | golinux | I need to do other things. |
| 04:21.28 | golinux | pluma |
| 04:21.28 | gnarface | inerkick_: i think you've got some misconceptions about GPL licenses |
| 04:22.00 | inerkick_ | great, just as pluma so are many other editors isn't? |
| 04:22.05 | inerkick_ | like geany |
| 04:22.08 | gnarface | if you thihk that libre software is "not meant for software coding" due to something about 'viral licenses' you've been lied to and mislead, quite blatantly |
| 04:22.22 | golinux | bbl |
| 04:22.37 | gnarface | there are no libre text editors that impose license restrictions on what you use to write them |
| 04:22.48 | golinux | Maybe move to #debian-fork? |
| 04:23.01 | golinux | Oops #debianfork |
| 04:23.04 | gnarface | yea this isn't really a topic for the support channel to begin with |
| 04:23.19 | golinux | Tata |
| 04:23.38 | inerkick_ | cool |
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| 08:00.21 | hiya | Hey |
| 08:00.29 | hiya | How to beautify XFCE? |
| 08:00.54 | hiya | I want nice and clean interface, it just sucks as of now. |
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| 09:55.27 | goo__ | guys I'm trying to sign up to the devuan forums, what's the default devuan login manager? |
| 09:55.32 | goo__ | apparently not elogind |
| 09:57.35 | debdog | goo__: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt see section "### Session management and policykit backends" |
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| 10:05.59 | goo__ | oh well apparently it's neither elogind nor consolekit |
| 10:06.01 | goo__ | cool |
| 10:16.46 | KatolaZ | goo__: it depends on the DE you are using |
| 10:16.57 | goo__ | yeah I saw |
| 10:17.01 | KatolaZ | elogind/consolekit are session managers, not login managers |
| 10:17.06 | goo__ | I managed to register anyway |
| 10:17.13 | goo__ | hey KatolaZ |
| 10:17.22 | goo__ | I'm posting on the forums about the apt issue |
| 10:17.48 | KatolaZ | goo__: OK |
| 10:17.49 | goo__ | There's gonna be a full description of my setup and everything I've tried |
| 10:18.03 | KatolaZ | great |
| 10:18.16 | KatolaZ | looks pretty strange though |
| 10:18.31 | KatolaZ | since you are not the first one who debootstraps on an arm |
| 10:20.23 | goo__ | I don't know, it might be because I used --variant=minbase, but that's still weird and also shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:20.34 | goo__ | since what other installation are you gonna do on servers |
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| 10:36.00 | rrq | goo_: did you try "slim" ? |
| 10:36.43 | rrq | reading more backlog |
| 10:37.24 | goo__ | rrq: nope, but I got to register eventually |
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| 10:38.52 | rrq | cheers |
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| 10:54.30 | goo__ | are you okay with me posting a backlog of the chat to the forums? |
| 10:54.50 | goo__ | like a link to the backlog where we speak of the issue |
| 10:55.37 | debdog | should be fine. AFAIK the channel is logged anyway |
| 10:55.51 | debdog | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
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| 10:57.14 | goo__ | okay, ty |
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| 11:01.43 | goo__ | aight, here it is https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=10790#p10790 |
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| 14:15.19 | Uberius | is it possible to install devuan on a raspberry pi 3 and if so where can i download the ARM compatible ISO from? |
| 14:16.03 | jaromil | Uberius: yes. see files.devuan.org |
| 14:16.13 | Uberius | jaromil, thank you |
| 14:16.39 | jaromil | this is likely the fastest mirror https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/ |
| 14:16.55 | Uberius | https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/ |
| 14:16.58 | Uberius | yes!!!!! |
| 14:17.05 | Uberius | many thanks! |
| 14:17.12 | jaromil | welcome |
| 14:18.52 | Uberius | another stupid question: what's the difference between devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.img.xz and devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.tar.gz ? |
| 14:19.36 | KatolaZ | one in an image, the other one is a tarball |
| 14:19.50 | Uberius | KatolaZ, ok |
| 14:21.47 | Uberius | in that case, should i use dd to write the image on a USB stick and considering the USB device as /dev/sdb would the command to perform be dd if=~/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.img.xz of=/dev/sdb ? |
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| 14:47.21 | Digit | hrm. where would i look at the logs for what caused my crash? my cores filled up n choked out my machine to abrubtly power off, mere seconds from realising there was slowdown and pressing keybind to bring up htop right before PEEEEOWWWWWWWWWW shutdown. was only running xmonad emacs xterm terminology htop firefox mpv. fresh (a day or so ago) upgraded ceres. |
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| 14:53.22 | gnarface | Uberius: no that image is compressed with xz. you need to uncompress it |
| 14:53.40 | Uberius | gnarface, thanks! |
| 14:53.49 | gnarface | Digit: look at the most recent logs in /var/log/ |
| 14:53.52 | gnarface | Uberius: no problem |
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| 15:24.06 | Digit | thnx gnarface. as per suggestion, looked. but no significant clues. seems that unwanted shutdown will remain a mystery. |
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| 15:28.36 | _stephen_ | Digit: did you also check the old dmesg logs in there? Last time my system behaved like that it was overheating. |
| 15:31.32 | Digit | yup. no clues i can fathom |
| 15:32.24 | gnarface | what happens in the messages or user log at that time? |
| 15:32.31 | gnarface | any chance it shut down by keyboard command? |
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| 15:35.52 | Digit | i'm very certain it wasnt that. it shut down just as i had pulled up htop, seeing all cores maxed out. overheating it may have been. but i'd still like to find what it was that decided to chew up all cores n max out. |
| 15:36.27 | _stephen_ | If the system didn't actually shut down, but was powered off by the BIOS, you might not have any log messages. |
| 15:36.32 | Digit | the answer's probably in those logs i skimmed through. |
| 15:36.49 | Digit | ah. thnx _stephen_. |
| 15:37.18 | _stephen_ | In which case you might want to check to see if your BIOS has any settings for temperature issues |
| 15:37.52 | Digit | well, i'm gonna leave my right side monitor on, with htop, so if it happens again, i'll have more chance of catching sight of the culprit. |
| 15:37.57 | _stephen_ | My older system was like that, powered off when overheated, my newer system has time to write warnings to dmesg and even throttles the cpu so it doesn't always power off when overheating. |
| 15:40.24 | Digit | found it. it's teeworlds. :> looks like i dont get to play teeworlds on my new kernel. spikes up past 600% cpu within seconds of starting. |
| 15:40.30 | Digit | forgot to mention i was running it. n_n |
| 15:42.40 | Digit | it also seems to ignore my settings.cfg now when it starts too. oh well, now i have suspects n clues, the debug adventure is on. n_n |
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| 15:46.59 | gnarface | Digit: try enabling vsync in the game |
| 15:47.31 | Digit | i've tried uninstalling it. lol. i play it too much anyway. this is for the better. n_n |
| 15:48.37 | _stephen_ | oh crap, I shouldn't have googled that |
| 15:50.13 | Digit | hrm. minetest, once in the game, was deciding to use up about 400% cpu. seems since upgrade, nvidia's saying "you do the thinking" to my cpu. |
| 15:50.30 | _stephen_ | There are settings to make that better. |
| 15:50.48 | _stephen_ | But also check and make sure direct rendering is on, you might be doing software rendering... |
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| 16:12.17 | Digit | "glxinfo | grep direct" gives "direct rendering: Yes". :/ i rather thought that was a winning ticket there. |
| 16:21.07 | _stephen_ | Maybe minetest has video_driver set to software? |
| 16:21.35 | _stephen_ | relevant config info: https://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf |
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| 16:23.34 | _stephen_ | the two devuan boxes my children play that on needed explicit graphics settings otherwise performance was terrible |
| 16:23.44 | Digit | thing is... neither teeworlds nor minetest were problematic before. |
| 16:23.54 | _stephen_ | Oh |
| 16:24.18 | Digit | not sure what that (overdue?) upgrade did to cause this |
| 16:27.02 | _stephen_ | the glxinfo didn't happen to say software rendering in its output, did it? |
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| 16:29.02 | Digit | nope. checked again. |
| 16:29.25 | _stephen_ | I'm at a loss for any kind of explanation for what you're seeing, then. |
| 16:29.48 | Digit | it's ... it's ... it's like nvidia cant be trusted. |
| 16:30.14 | _stephen_ | your lsmod show nvidia loaded or nouveau(sp?) |
| 16:31.21 | Digit | lsmod | egrep 'nvidia|nouveau' shows nvidia |
| 16:32.05 | _stephen_ | Well, I'm out of ideas. |
| 16:33.27 | Digit | i'm tempted to try booting into older kernel~ as a clutching at straws effort. or... i see there's a newer one just out since i upgraded. might as well try that. n_n |
| 16:33.32 | Digit | or... just give up gaming. lol |
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| 17:07.38 | Digit | okies... ima reboot this beast again, see if i can get it mended after upgrades. |
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| 17:17.33 | KatolaZ | goo_: :) |
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| 17:19.22 | KatolaZ | goo_: glad to see that you solved the problem, eventually |
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| 17:56.07 | Digit | eyes /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon with suspicion |
| 17:56.27 | Digit | i presume, i hope, that's not actual systemd stuff slipped into ceres |
| 18:01.06 | KatolaZ | Digit: udev was subsumed into the systemd several years ago... |
| 18:01.12 | KatolaZ | in ascii you have eudev |
| 18:01.22 | KatolaZ | which is the same stuff only removed from the systemd tree |
| 18:01.44 | KatolaZ | and maintained by a bunch of people at gentoo |
| 18:03.56 | Digit | gets synaptic to install eudev, and allows it to uninstall the udev stuff, while wondering how his system got like that |
| 18:04.17 | KatolaZ | Digit: use the eudev in ascii though |
| 18:04.29 | KatolaZ | I mean, the eudev from ascii |
| 18:04.33 | Digit | ? not the one in cere? |
| 18:04.35 | Digit | ceres* |
| 18:04.51 | KatolaZ | there are a few glitches in the ceres version |
| 18:04.57 | KatolaZ | that were solved for ascii |
| 18:05.06 | KatolaZ | and have not yet been ported to ceres |
| 18:05.20 | KatolaZ | I know it looks crazy, but this won't happen again |
| 18:05.48 | KatolaZ | we're going towards a proper experimental/unstable/testing/stable pipeline |
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| 18:09.11 | Digit | adds ascii to his sources.list, n while updating, tries to remember how to specify |
| 18:13.10 | KatolaZ | Digit: apt-get install -t ascii eudev |
| 18:16.49 | Digit | ceres' eudev 3.2.5-1, that i replace udev 239.5 with, still there, n attempting ^ tells me it's already the newest version. so i just use synaptic's Package/force version. even tho that probably only needed a --force or something on command line. |
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| 18:17.29 | Digit | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/eudev_3.2.2-13_amd64.deb: new eudev package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 oh. |
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| 18:29.54 | KatolaZ | Digit: apt-get install -t ascii eudev udev libeudev1 libudev1 |
| 18:30.13 | Digit | i need both eudev and udev? |
| 18:31.22 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 18:31.31 | KatolaZ | udev in ascii is a transitional package |
| 18:33.18 | Digit | eudev : Conflicts: udev (< 1:3.2.5-1) |
| 18:33.18 | Digit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.29 | KatolaZ | Digit: have you used -t ascii ? |
| 18:34.51 | Digit | pasted the command in like you had it (with sudo). |
| 18:35.40 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 18:35.52 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy eudev |
| 18:38.09 | Digit | http://dpaste.com/0R2GZ0R |
| 18:39.01 | KatolaZ | Digit: you shouldn't use packages.devuan.org |
| 18:39.06 | KatolaZ | please use deb.devuan.org |
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| 18:46.10 | Digit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.29 | KatolaZ | yep |
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| 19:04.30 | Digit | there we go. that sorted getting the right eudev at least. changed all my sources to deb.devuan.org (cept some mirrors). |
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| 19:36.21 | KatolaZ | good Digit |
| 19:36.24 | KatolaZ | happy it worked |
| 19:38.00 | Digit | still got my mystery cant-play-games-without-all-8-cores-filling-up tho. but it was nice to get that much sorted. a little cathartic reassurance. n_n |
| 19:38.09 | Digit | de-demoralised. n_n |
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| 21:19.33 | Achylles | any suggestions for grub themes to install on devuan? |
| 21:20.14 | golinux | You don't like the default in desktop-base? |
| 21:20.17 | Achylles | my "theme" is the blue default one which I'd like to change |
| 21:20.28 | golinux | Let me get the screenie |
| 21:21.17 | Achylles | mine is the normal Ascii that come as default -> a blue one... |
| 21:22.11 | golinux | How about this? https://dev1galaxy.org/files/grub-final.png |
| 21:22.15 | Achylles | I thought there was a grub-themes package in the repo, but there isn't. |
| 21:22.44 | Achylles | I think I saw this package some years ago for debian... |
| 21:23.23 | golinux | /usr/share/desktop-base/ |
| 21:23.49 | golinux | That comes with the default xfce theming |
| 21:25.10 | Achylles | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.18 | Achylles | expert mode |
| 21:25.48 | golinux | Actually /usr/share/desktop-base/devuan |
| 21:25.50 | Achylles | this, perhaps, come with the devuan live cd |
| 21:26.08 | golinux | You need to install desktop-base |
| 21:26.46 | Achylles | I see. I have this desktop theme. But, I want one for grub. Does that fits? |
| 21:26.58 | golinux | I don't know if there is another way to get it. It's got to be in git.d.o and you can get the files from there. Give me a sec |
| 21:27.42 | golinux | I'm not sure how it gets put together. I just play with the crayons. Happy to hear that you like it! |
| 21:28.51 | golinux | This is the ascii desktop: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/ascii_desktop.png |
| 21:29.36 | golinux | And slim: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png |
| 21:31.21 | Achylles | yeah! I do have the desktop one, but not the one for grub |
| 21:31.55 | Achylles | I will try to get the grub one and install it... |
| 21:36.31 | Achylles | thanks I have found them in that dir you told me /usr/share/desktop-base/devuan |
| 21:36.58 | Achylles | I just want to figure out how to configure that in grub |
| 21:44.33 | golinux | It might be easier to install desktop-base and redo your desktop |
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| 21:45.43 | golinux | But if it is installed why isn't is showing up? What desktop are you using? |
| 21:46.02 | Achylles | I do not know. |
| 21:46.36 | Achylles | The readme file says that it is for devuan 1.0 |
| 21:46.53 | Achylles | Perhaps this is the reason |
| 21:47.26 | golinux | Huh? Nobody changed it I guess. The one inthe image is for asciio. |
| 21:48.27 | Achylles | My grub "theme" is only a blue screen. And if I access the advanced options the screen is a black one :( |
| 21:49.17 | golinux | Wait I have that grub theme installed on Jessie where I worked on the graphics. Let me check ascii in a vm |
| 21:49.28 | Achylles | I issued "update-alternatives --config grub-theme", but it says that the theme is installed and there is no other options :( |
| 21:50.23 | Achylles | I think I also have ascii on a vm and as far as I can remember, it is also a blue screen... |
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| 21:55.26 | nacelle | you're literally talking about having a png or some such loaded in a menu, right? |
| 21:55.42 | nacelle | its not terribly complex to configure it, but the base package should be fixed if its not working |
| 21:55.44 | golinux | It's more complicated than that |
| 21:55.53 | golinux | /usr/share/desktop-base/devuan |
| 21:57.03 | Achylles | when will be that be fixed? |
| 21:57.33 | Achylles | perhaps if devs fix that and users upgrade the package... |
| 21:57.40 | golinux | What desktop are you using? |
| 21:57.43 | Achylles | It will be easier. |
| 21:57.47 | Achylles | ascii |
| 21:57.55 | Achylles | the newest |
| 21:58.03 | golinux | ascii isn't a desktop |
| 21:58.11 | Achylles | with xfce4 |
| 21:58.16 | golinux | xfce is a desktop mate is a desktop |
| 21:58.29 | Achylles | yes |
| 21:58.32 | Achylles | sorry |
| 21:58.46 | Achylles | did not think before writing |
| 21:59.03 | Achylles | I have xfce4 and mate here |
| 21:59.12 | Achylles | I mean in the other machine |
| 21:59.15 | golinux | I know it's configured properly on the desktop-live. |
| 21:59.24 | Achylles | yes. |
| 21:59.58 | Achylles | But, I tried to install using desktop-live, but I found the installer too complicated |
| 22:00.24 | golinux | The netinst iso is very limited. |
| 22:00.39 | Achylles | and not very intuitive. So that I used the netinstall.iso and did using the expert mode |
| 22:01.24 | golinux | Maybe there's a meta package missing |
| 22:01.27 | Achylles | The desktop-live.iso does not have an expert mode install option :( |
| 22:01.52 | Achylles | which I am used since many years ago, using debian |
| 22:02.10 | golinux | No. It rsyncs the files |
| 22:02.12 | Achylles | That refractainstall is really a pain |
| 22:02.38 | golinux | LOL! |
| 22:02.46 | Achylles | I mean, the layout... |
| 22:02.49 | golinux | Many find it much easier. |
| 22:02.56 | Achylles | I find terrible |
| 22:03.05 | Achylles | I prefer the expert mode |
| 22:03.09 | Achylles | much easier |
| 22:03.19 | golinux | Did ou try launching it from terminal? |
| 22:03.29 | Achylles | yes |
| 22:03.36 | Achylles | the two ways... |
| 22:03.44 | golinux | The gui kind of sucks |
| 22:04.00 | Achylles | It sucks too much I would say |
| 22:04.13 | golinux | Hmmm and fsmithred will not be around much for the next few weeks . . . |
| 22:05.00 | golinux | I wish I had the magic answer. |
| 22:05.09 | Achylles | Perhaps, it could be changed to something else |
| 22:05.53 | golinux | Feel free to provide an alternative. |
| 22:06.09 | Achylles | Sometimes people want to make things easier to help noobs, but they make things more complicated |
| 22:06.50 | Achylles | My alternative is to add the expert mode (graphical and text) to the desktop-live.iso |
| 22:07.18 | golinux | That is a whole other can of worms |
| 22:08.24 | Achylles | Yeah. So, leave it |
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