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| 00:21.11 | *** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release | This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | off-topic conversation in #debianfork please | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 00:30.49 | bozonius2 | I can't get badblocks -- I tried enabling backports, no luck |
| 00:31.21 | bozonius2 | (ascii testbox) |
| 00:31.46 | bozonius2 | or is there a better tool? |
| 00:31.53 | bozonius2 | (I'm open) |
| 00:32.17 | bozonius2 | and when I say "tool" I mean software, not like a hammer |
| 00:32.29 | bozonius2 | I think the disk might be OK |
| 00:32.36 | bozonius2 | I want to test it to |
| 00:32.40 | bozonius2 | thoroughly |
| 00:48.54 | bozonius2 | nvm |
| 00:49.08 | bozonius2 | for some reason, the first time I tried it, it said it did not find it |
| 00:50.21 | bozonius2 | oh. I thought that was also the package name, that's why I got confused. e2fsprogs includes badblocks,and it is already installed, thank you |
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| 01:17.50 | golinux | gnarface: ping |
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| 01:19.08 | golinux | I wonder wherther the throttling has to do with the demise of Net Neutrality earlier this month. |
| 01:19.25 | Xenguy | was sorry to read it ... |
| 01:19.34 | golinux | Was out pruning and had this thought. I'm surprised no one made the connection |
| 01:19.52 | gnarface | golinux: i dunno. i wonder if it has to do with why my cellphone, internet, and satellite bills all went up by 5-15$ with no justification at the same time |
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| 01:20.29 | golinux | Maybe |
| 01:20.32 | gnarface | golinux: (according to my senator, this would make everything cheaper, so i wonder how much they paid him to betray himself) |
| 01:20.51 | Xenguy | Internet -> TV |
| 01:21.04 | gnarface | Xenguy: doesnt' matter, the same company owns all 3 for me now. |
| 01:21.26 | gnarface | escape velocity ~15,000 MPH |
| 01:21.30 | Xenguy | Diversification, it seems, is a virtue |
| 01:22.12 | golinux | Diversification is a thing of the past but wrong channel to spend much time on this here |
| 01:22.29 | gnarface | THAT could be the cause of the raise in prices AND the cause of the throttling, as much as the striking down of net neutrality, because when one company owns all your communication lines there's nobody left to sue them |
| 01:22.35 | Xenguy | See you in #thatotherchannel |
| 01:38.42 | syco_ | :') |
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| 05:23.25 | grillon | hi there |
| 05:23.34 | syco_ | 'lo |
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| 07:16.56 | bozonius2 | I'm running badblocks on a suspect hard disk on ascii (on my test box). This disk is not in use by anything at the moment, so I am doing a destructive read-write (-w) test on it. |
| 07:17.36 | bozonius2 | I have htop running, and I notice that badblocks process state keeps switching back and forth between 'R' (running) and 'D' (zombie?) state. |
| 07:18.19 | bozonius2 | It doesn't stop or appear to have any issue. But I am wondering why badblocks would go into zombie state -- is this due to the nature of what it is doing, writing and reading disk blocks? |
| 07:18.28 | bozonius2 | it's just curious that is all. |
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| 07:32.07 | Jjp137 | bozonius2, according to man htop (and man top says something similar), D actually stands for 'disk sleep (uninterruptable)', so from what I read (I'm not really knowledgeable about this at all), it's probably briefly sleeping waiting for disk I/O |
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| 07:45.18 | ivanshmakov | bozonius2: âZombieâ is âZâ (and it means just that the process has finished, but its parent has not yet received its exit code.)ââDâ means that the process waits for the kernel (syscall.)âHence, having the process switch between R and D is perfectly normal for an IO-intensive process.âWere the process to hang in that state â thatâd be suspicious. |
| 07:47.17 | ivanshmakov | (âDisk sleepâ also sounds sensible.) |
| 07:55.31 | bozonius2 | sorry, I was reading the key for a different program; htop uses its own |
| 07:55.57 | bozonius2 | I am familiar with zombies vs disk sleep |
| 07:56.17 | bozonius2 | it makes sense since badblocks is doing a lot of disk sleep |
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| 11:15.40 | Gup | so, how does devuan handle /etc/rc.local? i've added a few commands to it but its not executed on startup |
| 11:15.51 | gnarface | you have to add a package |
| 11:16.43 | gnarface | i think |
| 11:16.48 | gnarface | called initscripts |
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| 11:18.14 | Gup | initscripts is already instlled |
| 11:18.28 | gnarface | troubling |
| 11:18.31 | Gup | the /etc/rc.local file exists too, its chmod +x |
| 11:18.47 | gnarface | was it pre-populated? |
| 11:18.51 | Gup | i ran update-rc.d rc.local enable but it still doesnt run |
| 11:19.05 | Gup | yeah it just had shebang and exit 0 |
| 11:19.15 | gnarface | could there be a syntax error in what you added? |
| 11:19.47 | gnarface | have you tried to make it log something to be sure? |
| 11:20.10 | Gup | runs fine manually |
| 11:20.13 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 11:20.27 | gnarface | the symlinks after you ran update-rc.d, did you check them too? |
| 11:21.46 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.59 | gnarface | just as a sanity check |
| 11:22.43 | gnarface | it has been working for me |
| 11:22.46 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 11:23.05 | Gup | yep, in 2,3,4,5 linking to ../init.d/rc.local |
| 11:23.15 | Gup | hmm, i'll try adding a log to it |
| 11:23.37 | gnarface | the symlinks start with "S" not "K", right? |
| 11:24.09 | gnarface | mine are all named S05rc.local |
| 11:24.14 | gnarface | the number part doesn't matter much though |
| 11:24.16 | Gup | yep, /etc/rc2.d/S04rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local |
| 11:24.36 | gnarface | hmmm. that definitely should be working. i wonder what has happened. |
| 11:25.00 | gnarface | i do recall there was a regression, it had been pulled from upstream at one point, i thought it got fixed thoguh |
| 11:25.14 | Gup | its another service that depends on it, maybe its starting in the wrong order |
| 11:25.35 | Gup | is service startup during boot logged somewhere? |
| 11:25.35 | gnarface | rc.local should be starting very last but hard to say |
| 11:25.38 | gnarface | maybe that's what changed |
| 11:26.00 | Gup | its for redis-server |
| 11:26.14 | Gup | so if rc.local is starting last, then thats too late |
| 11:26.32 | gnarface | hmm, but you said it works fine if you run it manually? |
| 11:26.50 | Gup | anywhere better to put this: |
| 11:26.52 | Gup | echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled |
| 11:26.52 | Gup | sysctl -w net.core.somaxconn=65535 |
| 11:27.13 | Gup | yeah but if it ran after redis, redis would still be showing the errors |
| 11:27.25 | Gup | i'll need to reboot to check... |
| 11:27.43 | gnarface | well the sysctl line should go into /etc/sysctl.conf or a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ (read the README) in that directory |
| 11:28.05 | gnarface | maybe both those lines actually |
| 11:28.16 | gnarface | thing is, you could make something like rc.local that runs earlier |
| 11:28.22 | gnarface | in the bootup |
| 11:28.54 | gnarface | adding your own entire init script doesn't have to be as complicated as it looks |
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| 11:29.21 | gnarface | https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 11:29.31 | Gup | maybe sysctl.d is the best place, i'll check it out, cheers |
| 11:29.56 | gnarface | the init scripts are controlled by those LSB comments, documented here |
| 11:30.20 | Gup | right, so it is running, just must be after redis starts up so it throws warnings |
| 11:30.41 | Gup | dont know why the redis docs suggest rc.local :/ |
| 11:30.59 | gnarface | if you need to make an init script that is dependency-aware like the others, it should be pretty intuitive to look at the existing examples and that wiki page, but maybe i can answer questions too if you get stuck |
| 11:31.25 | Gup | do you not think /etc/sysctl.d/ is the best place? |
| 11:31.55 | gnarface | yes, always do it with the stock config file when you can |
| 11:32.07 | gnarface | i just wasn't sure this one can go in there too: echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled |
| 11:32.24 | gnarface | maybe it can though |
| 11:32.40 | gnarface | this one, that's where it belongs: sysctl -w net.core.somaxconn=65535 |
| 11:32.47 | gnarface | obviously in a different format |
| 11:32.51 | gnarface | but that's where the setting belongs |
| 11:33.04 | Gup | readme says its parsed with sysctl so maybe the echo wont work |
| 11:33.37 | gnarface | i think that the sysctl may be just for /proc stuff |
| 11:33.40 | gnarface | i really don't know |
| 11:34.12 | Gup | cool, well i've got a few thing to play with now, thanks for the pointers :) |
| 11:34.17 | gnarface | but with LSB headers you can make a script that the redis init depends on |
| 11:34.33 | gnarface | so it would always make sure to launch that script before redis |
| 11:34.43 | gnarface | good luck |
| 11:39.08 | gnarface | oh Gup do look in /var/log though |
| 11:39.23 | gnarface | also try the `dmesg` command right after boot |
| 11:41.30 | Gup | its all working now thanks gnarface |
| 11:41.53 | Gup | i put the sysctl stuff in the correct place and the echo in a service of my own that starts before redis |
| 11:41.55 | Gup | :) |
| 11:42.09 | gnarface | the simplest solutions are usually the best ones |
| 11:42.21 | gnarface | glad you got it figured out |
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| 12:00.52 | romo | Hey guys. What is the correct way to install virtualbox guest additions in ascii? I've just upgraded a vm from jessie to ascii. Now I'm wondering if there's still integration, or do I have to use the Oracle ISO? |
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| 12:03.00 | gnarface | romo: check non-free? |
| 12:04.48 | gnarface | there might be packages in the repo... |
| 12:06.47 | romo | gnarface: apparently, the initial install of the additons was kept during upgrade. it is however, ineffective now (scaling). so I add non-free, give it a try and it might install a current version if available? |
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| 12:12.38 | gnarface | romo: uh, i really don't know. if there was already a jessie package for it, normally there would be an ascii package too and it would be upgraded automatically |
| 12:12.57 | gnarface | if that didn't happen that could explain it not working |
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| 12:23.03 | romo | gnarface: so it might have been unwise not to include contrib and non-free before upgrading... There's still a jessie snapshop. I'll try both of these options now. |
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| 12:23.44 | gnarface | romo: oh, if you had them in jessie, then didn't retain them when you changed sources.list to ascii, that could explain it... |
| 12:24.12 | gnarface | romo: (assuming the vbox guest additions stuff is in non-free or contrib. i don't actually know. it's supposed to be open source but it's also from oracle so...) |
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| 12:25.08 | gnarface | it's also possible they were removed from ascii for unrelated reasons |
| 12:25.19 | gnarface | someone in here uses virtualbox and would know better than i |
| 12:25.34 | gnarface | i don't think it was removed from ascii |
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| 12:46.57 | fsmithred | romo, there's no virtualbox in stretch or ascii. Use ascii-backports for that. |
| 12:48.35 | gnarface | ah, backports |
| 12:48.43 | gnarface | didn't think of that |
| 13:01.38 | romo | gnarface: Me neither, I'm currently redoing the upgrade. |
| 13:01.55 | gnarface | you shouldn't have to redo it |
| 13:02.20 | gnarface | just add backports to your sources.list and use it with "-t ascii-backports" added to your apt-get command... |
| 13:02.35 | gnarface | apt-get/apt-cache |
| 13:02.41 | romo | gnarface: I made other less ideal choices I'm afarid. |
| 13:02.47 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:03.00 | gnarface | well sometimes it is easiest to start over yes |
| 13:03.40 | romo | fsmithred: Yeah, I know backports is the way to install virtualbox itself on Debin 9 now. However, will this also make guest additions available and how do I install these? |
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| 13:04.19 | fsmithred | I think you need to use the guest additions iso |
| 13:04.38 | fsmithred | mount the iso and run the linux file on it |
| 13:05.00 | fsmithred | 'sh VBoxLinux-whatever.run |
| 13:05.06 | fsmithred | ' |
| 13:07.47 | romo | fsmithred: This actually just works with absolutely no fuss. Thank you both, very much. |
| 13:07.54 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:08.07 | fsmithred | don't go away - I'm upgrading my vbox and might need your help |
| 13:08.26 | fsmithred | I usually find it to be very fussy |
| 13:09.31 | romo | I used to as well but I think a lot of problems originated from the version is jessie being "too old". |
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| 13:30.14 | fsmithred | looks like it worked without any problems. Took a while to install the kernel headers first. |
| 13:37.39 | romo | fsmithred: yay. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you again for showing me how to set up full system encryption without torching (and overwriting) an entire drive a while back. |
| 13:37.54 | romo | saved me an infinite amount of time and frustration since. |
| 13:37.56 | fsmithred | I did? |
| 13:39.02 | romo | yes, and I'm afraid I wasn't especially quick in understanding the essence of it. |
| 13:39.17 | fsmithred | me neither. How do you encrypt an existing filesystem? |
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| 13:40.56 | romo | oh no, there's no utilising an fs in existence. I just assumed - until then - I had to burn an entire drive in order to have system encryption (the automated lvm-option, which does an override) |
| 13:41.09 | fsmithred | oh |
| 13:41.36 | romo | you showed me how to set up an encrypted system on a partition so the rest of the drive may be used for different things. |
| 13:41.50 | fsmithred | yeah, finding your way through the manual lvm and encryption in the debian-installer is not easy |
| 13:41.58 | fsmithred | same for raid |
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| 13:45.32 | romo | yeah, raid I haven't touched yet. but now I even get away lvm-free... which is insanely helpful... in many regards. |
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| 14:59.25 | holycow | hi all |
| 14:59.40 | holycow | i am getting tired of debian |
| 15:00.05 | holycow | does devuan have approximately the same large set of packages in its repos? |
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| 15:00.14 | holycow | how far behind debian release cycle is devuan? |
| 15:00.16 | holycow | just curious |
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| 15:07.02 | eyalroz | Hello, I've just installed Devuan ASCII instead of my Mint 18.3. Now, I have a list of packages which were installed on my Mint distro, and I want to install as many of them as possible. I've filtered-out those which are Mint-specific and have no installation candidate, but now I want to filter out things which depend on libpolikt-backend-elogind instead of consolekit How do I do that? |
| 15:08.46 | buZz | grep ? |
| 15:08.58 | buZz | oh, hm, not sure |
| 15:09.08 | buZz | holycow: yes, approx. the same packages |
| 15:09.26 | eyalroz | buZz: grep of what? |
| 15:09.42 | holycow | thank you kindly |
| 15:10.01 | buZz | holycow: devuan's cycle is speeding up , jessie took 1 year, stretch (ascii) took 6 months |
| 15:10.36 | eyalroz | let me rephrase: I want to filter out the stuff that depends on consolekit, not on libpolkit-backend-elogind. The former is systemd-related IIRC, the latter is not. |
| 15:10.57 | holycow | aha! awesome, thanks. |
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| 15:13.42 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: mint should not have any package depending on libpolkit-backend-elogind... |
| 15:14.16 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: Yes, indeed. But some mint package conflict with it; I want to filter those out of the list of what I'm trying to install |
| 15:14.41 | KatolaZ | conflict with what? |
| 15:14.49 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: are you using both mint and devuan repos? |
| 15:14.59 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: No, only Devuan repos |
| 15:15.08 | KatolaZ | then I don't understand |
| 15:15.12 | KatolaZ | example please |
| 15:15.41 | eyalroz | Example: I had a bunch of TeX-related packages installed; these are the same in Debian, Devuan, Ubuntu and Mint (AFAIK), |
| 15:16.01 | eyalroz | so I want to to apt-get install $(cat list_of_tex_related_packages_i_had_on_mint.txt) |
| 15:16.19 | eyalroz | this works fine, no conflicts or anythinfg |
| 15:16.36 | eyalroz | but for many other packages I had on mind, I can't do the same because I get conflicts |
| 15:16.37 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: example of a conflicy |
| 15:16.43 | KatolaZ | conflict |
| 15:18.19 | KatolaZ | what error do you obtain? |
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| 15:20.50 | holycow | thanks for the help |
| 15:20.51 | holycow | bbl |
| 15:21.13 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: ... hmm, this is weird. When I tried this earlier I was told installing my list of packages would uninstall a bunch of existing packages, like libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0; so I manually added to the list of packages to install. When I do that, I get a conflict between libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 and consolekit (version 0.4.6-6) |
| 15:21.48 | eyalroz | but now when I don't mention libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 I don't get pending removal notices. So maybe I'll withdraw my question for now, and maybe I've broken my package management state :-( |
| 15:22.47 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: if you use apt-get, it will be in charge of managing dependencies... |
| 15:22.58 | KatolaZ | it if has problems, it will stop, and tell you what's the matter |
| 15:23.47 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: I do use it. But if you tell apt-get to install package p1 which conflcits with p2, it might decide to remove p2 (in some cases) |
| 15:27.47 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: I know, but in principle in your list of packages from mint you shouldn't have neither consolekit nor elogind... |
| 15:27.54 | KatolaZ | since mint uses systemd |
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| 15:30.13 | filip | goddamn i feel like i wanna use devuan cuz its nice and stable OS but then i feel like fedora cuz i really like fedora desktop environment but then im on fedora and i read about systemd and stuff about systemd puts me off fedora and fuck |
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| 15:38.18 | muep_ | there is very little fedora specific about how the desktop looks and works in fedora, getting a closely matching user-visible experience is mostly a matter of getting gnome to run |
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| 15:39.57 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: It doesn't, but somehow there's a dependence on it when the packages are interpreted as Debian packages |
| 15:40.02 | muep_ | which of course famously is a bit non-trivial, but my impression is that even some BSDs manage to ship a recent-ish gnome |
| 15:40.26 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: do you have an error message to share, please? |
| 15:41.27 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: I would, but my console buffer overflowed. Need to set it to something longer. For now, ignore the question please... |
| 15:41.35 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 15:41.38 | KatolaZ | as you wish :) |
| 15:41.53 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: I will ask something else though. I'm using the Israeli Devuan mirror in my sources.list file, |
| 15:42.11 | KatolaZ | which URL, please? |
| 15:42.13 | eyalroz | But as I download, I seem to be redirected to deb.devuan.org, which is pretty slow. |
| 15:42.37 | eyalroz | URL: http://il.deb.devuan.org/merged |
| 15:42.37 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: all the stuff behind XX.deb.devuan.org goes to deb.devuan.org atm |
| 15:42.49 | KatolaZ | which is a pool of mirrors in round-robin |
| 15:43.33 | eyalroz | I'm getting between 50 and 100 kB/sec out of that, and I was wondering if I should try and locate another mirror |
| 15:43.53 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: it's pretty strange, since all mirrors have at least 250Mb/s bw |
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| 15:44.21 | KatolaZ | anyway, here's a list of current active mirrors: |
| 15:44.23 | KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
| 15:44.54 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: Great, thanks. I'll try a couple and see if it makes any difference. |
| 15:45.29 | KatolaZ | try pkgmaster.devuan.org |
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| 15:59.37 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: When I try it, I get an inflinite loop of Ign's with apt-get update |
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| 16:02.20 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: ?!? |
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| 16:02.58 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: sources.list? |
| 16:03.06 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: just a second. |
| 16:05.13 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: https://pastebin.com/daATJZKL |
| 16:05.34 | KatolaZ | eyalroz: it's pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged |
| 16:05.38 | KatolaZ | as for all the other mirrors |
| 16:05.43 | eyalroz | Ah... |
| 16:07.58 | eyalroz | KatolaZ: Getting about the same bandwidth there as well. |
| 16:10.21 | KatolaZ | then it's your local debian mirror I guess |
| 16:10.46 | KatolaZ | devuan package mirrors work by redirecting to debian mirrors for package that have not been forked from debian |
| 16:10.56 | KatolaZ | s/package/packages |
| 16:22.42 | golinux | KatolaZ: I was speculating uesterday the the demise of Net Neutrality earlier this month in the US might be part of the throttling. |
| 16:23.16 | golinux | Just an idel thought since it has come up several times in the last days. |
| 16:24.41 | golinux | idle |
| 16:25.05 | KatolaZ | no idea |
| 16:25.29 | KatolaZ | and unless one has facts at hands, I wouldn't bet on it |
| 16:25.38 | KatolaZ | there are much easier explanations |
| 16:25.44 | KatolaZ | ISP |
| 16:25.49 | KatolaZ | most of the times |
| 16:25.55 | KatolaZ | or slow debian mirrors |
| 16:25.59 | KatolaZ | (and there are many) |
| 16:26.39 | KatolaZ | I would just use Occam's razor, and go for one of those, unless otherwise proven :) |
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| 16:49.21 | AlexLikeRock | not found at jessie |
| 16:49.22 | AlexLikeRock | python-apsw |
| 16:49.42 | AlexLikeRock | # aptitude install python2.7-apsw |
| 16:49.42 | AlexLikeRock | No candidate version found for python2.7-apsw |
| 16:49.54 | AlexLikeRock | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-apsw |
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| 16:51.25 | muep_ | did you try with just aptitude install python-apsw ? |
| 16:52.07 | muep_ | I don't quite get what would suggest to add that 2.7 in the middle |
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| 17:03.03 | AlexLikeRock | muep_, , tasnk so much , i install "python-apsw " |
| 17:03.17 | AlexLikeRock | i have this bug from ACE STREAM |
| 17:04.20 | AlexLikeRock | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/277088/unresolved-dependencies-when-installing-acestream/277151 |
| 17:06.17 | muep_ | maybe that packaging of ace stream is made for some other distribution |
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| 17:06.47 | AlexLikeRock | yes, its external |
| 17:06.50 | AlexLikeRock | :-( |
| 17:07.13 | muep_ | I mean if it works at all, there exists some distro on which it will work |
| 17:07.16 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.35 | muep_ | but it might be some other distro than stretch or jessie |
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| 17:08.54 | UsL | hello vuans! |
| 17:09.26 | UsL | I'm having problem with pulseaudio not noticing headphones correctly. |
| 17:10.12 | UsL | so I want to replace pulse with apulse I believe. Is there smthng I should think of doing this? |
| 17:10.32 | muep_ | how is this apparent to you that pulseaudio is not noticing them? |
| 17:10.36 | KatolaZ | UsL: apulse is not a full replacement for pulseaudio |
| 17:10.55 | muep_ | for the most part, pulseaudio relies on the same drivers that you would use with apulse |
| 17:11.25 | UsL | well, I've seen people having trouble woth pulse so, if there is smoke and all that |
| 17:11.44 | muep_ | are they normal analog headphones with 3.5mm jack or maybe bluetooth ones? |
| 17:11.50 | UsL | normal 3.5 |
| 17:12.51 | KatolaZ | UsL: pulseaudio does not even know if your headphones are plugged or not... |
| 17:12.55 | muep_ | so how did you try to use them, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead? |
| 17:12.57 | UsL | KatolaZ: oh, I just noticed you're the author |
| 17:13.04 | KatolaZ | author of what? |
| 17:13.05 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 17:13.07 | UsL | apulse |
| 17:13.09 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 17:13.18 | KatolaZ | I am just the one who packaged it for devuan |
| 17:13.23 | UsL | okay.. : S |
| 17:13.27 | UsL | aaah I see |
| 17:13.35 | UsL | I did the apt show apulse |
| 17:14.16 | UsL | muep_: the audio is coming only from speakers and headphones are silent |
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| 17:14.36 | KatolaZ | UsL: what does the mizer say? |
| 17:14.42 | KatolaZ | ~mixer |
| 17:14.52 | UsL | alsamixer looks okay |
| 17:15.00 | muep_ | UsL: so you just connected the headphones, no other changes? |
| 17:15.03 | UsL | and the pavu looks okay |
| 17:15.09 | UsL | muep_: right |
| 17:15.35 | muep_ | in the output devices tab in pavucontrol, do you have different ports available for your audio device? |
| 17:16.09 | buZz | i |
| 17:16.16 | UsL | speakers and headphones |
| 17:16.25 | muep_ | and neither works? |
| 17:16.31 | buZz | i'm happy that my soundcard -does- tell my computer if a headphone is plugged in :P (by muting a channel) |
| 17:16.42 | UsL | speakers work |
| 17:17.00 | AlexLikeRock | https://devuan.org/os/ |
| 17:17.00 | UsL | headphones says they're connected but sound keep coming from speakers |
| 17:17.01 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.13 | buZz | should be yeah , AlexLikeRock |
| 17:17.21 | muep_ | I think at least with quite a lot of hardware, pulseaudio also has access to information on if a port is connected or not |
| 17:17.39 | muep_ | but I would expect that it relies on drivers to report that detail accurately |
| 17:17.50 | AlexLikeRock | buZz, but , they have time to expire ? |
| 17:17.52 | buZz | AlexLikeRock: but , http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ is also just 'all mirrors' |
| 17:18.04 | AlexLikeRock | or just expire to ascii |
| 17:18.06 | AlexLikeRock | ? |
| 17:18.24 | buZz | eh, i dont think we'll delete jessie from repos ? |
| 17:18.27 | buZz | why would we |
| 17:18.29 | muep_ | UsL: so you tried selecting headphones as the port, and it still outputs from the speaker port? |
| 17:18.34 | UsL | yeah, it weird. I saw on some sites people purging pulse and their problems disappeared |
| 17:18.40 | UsL | muep_: right |
| 17:19.04 | buZz | i've never really liked pulseaudio, but a couple steam games i have require it >_< |
| 17:19.41 | UsL | I don't have anything on my system that needs pulse I believe. |
| 17:19.45 | muep_ | UsL: okay, I have no more stuff to suggest you could try |
| 17:19.45 | KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: ? |
| 17:19.58 | muep_ | if you don't have anything that needs pulse, you should not need apulse either |
| 17:20.08 | UsL | right |
| 17:20.57 | buZz | muep_: oh tnx |
| 17:21.06 | buZz | i forgot that was a thing :P lets see if steam likes it |
| 17:22.02 | muep_ | for many users, there is at least firefox expecting to output audio through something that looks like pulseaudio |
| 17:22.03 | UsL | hope the xfce pulse volume control work with apulse? |
| 17:22.17 | UsL | if not I'll just bind the volume keys to alsa |
| 17:22.33 | KatolaZ | UsL: apulse is not a replacement for pulseaudio... |
| 17:22.37 | UsL | right |
| 17:22.41 | UsL | but it does something? |
| 17:22.45 | muep_ | I would expect you to want an alsa volume control unless you have the actual pulseaudio daemon |
| 17:22.49 | KatolaZ | it fakes a pulseaudio interface |
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| 17:23.28 | KatolaZ | so if you want PROG to believe that pulseudio is available, you can start it with: |
| 17:23.33 | KatolaZ | apulse PROG |
| 17:23.45 | UsL | I see. |
| 17:23.59 | muep_ | my impression is that apulse provides only the sound output interface to the application that you run "under" it |
| 17:24.00 | UsL | the clarifies that |
| 17:24.07 | KatolaZ | yes muep_ |
| 17:24.11 | KatolaZ | that is the case |
| 17:24.18 | muep_ | does it provide input streams, too? |
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| 17:24.45 | buZz | weird > E: Failed to fetch http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/a/alsaplayer/libalsaplayer0_0.99.81-2_amd64.deb 500 Bad redirection (path) |
| 17:24.46 | UsL | okay, so I'll rip pulse audio out and see if headphones is a go |
| 17:24.49 | buZz | apt update fixed it |
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| 17:25.06 | buZz | or at least, issue didnt return after apt update |
| 17:25.19 | _abc_ | Beep. Did you see this? Just a few days of m$ ownership and the photon torpeods are alredy sinking the "enemy" https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/28/gentoo_linux_github_hacked/ |
| 17:25.27 | _abc_ | Shaking trust in github for sure |
| 17:25.46 | UsL | 2FA would have helped.. |
| 17:25.53 | buZz | _abc_: not like 'stealing someone's github password' is a new thing ;) |
| 17:26.04 | UsL | gentoo ppl should have enabled it |
| 17:26.06 | buZz | and yeah, enabling 2FA is a no brainer |
| 17:26.20 | _abc_ | buZz: it seems to be a bit wider, like some cretin monkey moving the entire pwd db onto window systems which are "secure". Not. |
| 17:26.50 | buZz | and you think they would just add 'rm -rf /' into gentoo as -single- thing then? |
| 17:27.01 | buZz | seems a bit implausible |
| 17:27.03 | _abc_ | Nah, they'd trojan it a bit. |
| 17:27.13 | buZz | sure |
| 17:27.27 | buZz | tinfoil sadly is illegal but you can find aluminiumfoil is Isle 5 |
| 17:27.30 | buZz | next! |
| 17:27.37 | buZz | in* |
| 17:27.39 | KatolaZ | is there a reliable (technical) report about the gentoo repo story? |
| 17:27.46 | _abc_ | Note "gentoo is one of the few distros not infected by systemd" in comments |
| 17:27.49 | KatolaZ | )(please no FUD, I have read PLEANTY already) |
| 17:28.11 | _abc_ | As always, please read the priceless #theregister comments. |
| 17:28.35 | _abc_ | KatolaZ: there is a reliable report somewhere, but the fud is prevalent for now. |
| 17:28.37 | KatolaZ | as always, that's pretty useless |
| 17:28.46 | UsL | M$ will probably very slowly and gradually make "improvements" to github.. 2019 earliest. |
| 17:29.20 | UsL | until then I think it is all github |
| 17:29.27 | UsL | as it were |
| 17:30.32 | UsL | who knows. I'll report back if purging pulse fixes headphones. The driver is not reporting any issues. |
| 17:31.09 | UsL | or, I'll make a forum post. Probably better. |
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| 17:31.26 | _abc_ | Purge all Poettering spawn. Pulse, sysntemd, and 2 more I forget now |
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| 17:32.32 | AlexLikeRock | mmmmm |
| 17:32.33 | AlexLikeRock | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=transmission-daemon&release=jessie |
| 17:32.48 | UsL | muep_ thanks btw for suggestions |
| 17:32.54 | muep_ | you are welcome |
| 17:33.07 | UsL | and KatolaZ for explaining apulse for a newborn |
| 17:33.09 | UsL | : ) |
| 17:33.11 | UsL | ta ta |
| 17:33.17 | KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: what is your problem with transmission daemon? |
| 17:33.20 | AlexLikeRock | transmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+deb8u1 [net - optional] >>> Depends: libsystemd0 |
| 17:33.23 | _abc_ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/29/upskirt_creep_blows_up_foot/ |
| 17:33.48 | _abc_ | sorry wrong channel |
| 17:33.48 | KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: that is not the only package that depends on libsystemd0... |
| 17:34.01 | AlexLikeRock | transmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+deb8u1 [net - optional] >>> Depends: Depends: libsystemd0 |
| 17:34.11 | AlexLikeRock | so... |
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| 17:34.17 | KatolaZ | so... |
| 17:34.45 | AlexLikeRock | transmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+devuan1.1 [net - optional] |
| 17:34.45 | AlexLikeRock | [Origin: Main - jessie-proposed - main] >>> "NOT Depends: libsystemd0 " |
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| 17:34.58 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 17:34.59 | KatolaZ | so... |
| 17:35.01 | AlexLikeRock | how to download [jessie-proposed] transmission-daemon-2.84-0.2+devuan1.1 |
| 17:35.07 | AlexLikeRock | ?? |
| 17:35.18 | KatolaZ | apt-get install -t jessie-proposed transmission-daemon |
| 17:35.27 | AlexLikeRock | or how to add this repo : " [jessie-proposed ]" |
| 17:35.35 | KatolaZ | you must do both |
| 17:35.40 | AlexLikeRock | need to add to sources .list ? |
| 17:35.43 | KatolaZ | first add the repo to your sources.list |
| 17:35.48 | KatolaZ | adn then use the command above |
| 17:35.53 | AlexLikeRock | yes, thats its my ponit |
| 17:35.59 | AlexLikeRock | tankyou |
| 17:36.21 | KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: asking the actual question would have been easier, and maybe quicker :) |
| 17:39.12 | AlexLikeRock | well refletioning :-) |
| 17:39.23 | JollyRoger` | Hey guys. I was just wondering, has anyone asked around about doing a PowerPC64 Little Endian port of Devuan? I'm curious to know if anyone else has asked. |
| 17:43.16 | buZz | not sure about endianness, but i did hear ppl dismissing devuan as a option for some system because it lacked ppc64 as arch |
| 17:43.42 | KatolaZ | we recently got accesso to a potential ppc64 build host |
| 17:43.49 | JollyRoger` | Woah. |
| 17:44.09 | KatolaZ | so ppc64 support might actually become available in Devuan in the future |
| 17:44.13 | JollyRoger` | Horay! |
| 17:44.19 | KatolaZ | s/accesso/access |
| 17:44.26 | buZz | i'll spread the word once i see em |
| 17:45.51 | JollyRoger` | Got it. I'll wait and send cookies. I ordered a new computer, but it's PowerPC64 and not x86. I've been using Devuan on a somewhat-old (not old-old, but a little bit old) Thinkpad for a while now and I found I rather like it. |
| 17:47.27 | JollyRoger` | At this very moment it looks like my options for an operating system is kind of limited. So I'm searching around. |
| 17:47.38 | JollyRoger` | *options for an operating system are kind of limited. |
| 17:48.37 | buZz | is it https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ ? :D |
| 17:48.44 | JollyRoger` | Oh, no, it's a desktop. |
| 17:49.46 | JollyRoger` | But holy. I really like the look of this. |
| 17:50.08 | bozonius2 | romo: If you are here or see this in the log, be sure to install both virtualbox and virtualbox-qt if you want the GUI |
| 17:50.10 | JollyRoger` | I'll bookmark it and come back to it later :P. |
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| 18:03.39 | AlexLikeRock | KatolaZ, installed transmission-daemon (y) |
| 18:03.42 | AlexLikeRock | tanks dude |
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| 18:08.22 | romo | bozonius: Oh, I wouldn't know another place to go anyhow. Thank you very much, duly noted. A GUI might be helpful. |
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| 18:18.27 | bozonius2 | configuring hexchat...don't mindme |
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| 18:29.29 | bozonius3 | looks like my physical connection might be flaky |
| 18:29.46 | bozonius3 | I've got two boxes connected via electronic switch |
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| 18:30.04 | bozonius3 | switch is a bit old, but seems to work... |
| 18:30.38 | bozonius3 | when the connection goes down, I can reconnect the cable for the test box where I am running Ascii and then restart the connection from Ascii and all's well again. |
| 18:31.15 | bozonius3 | strangely, I ran a ping test for hours yesterday without incident. Over 25000 successful pings to the other box w/o errors |
| 18:31.42 | bozonius3 | even after no intervening reboot, all of a sudden, today the connection is flakey. |
| 18:32.01 | bozonius3 | kern.log doesn't show anything "interesting" |
| 18:32.32 | bozonius3 | no indication that the connection went down, but if I run ifconfig, I can see that the eth0 has no ip address |
| 18:32.48 | bozonius3 | why doesn't this get logged? |
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| 18:35.38 | ivanshmakov | bozonius3: Check daemon.log for DHCP messages, perhaps? |
| 18:36.13 | buZz | whats a 'electronic switch' ? |
| 18:36.40 | bozonius3 | ivanshmakov: nothing other than dhclient messages. This is fixed ip here. |
| 18:36.57 | bozonius3 | buZz: As opposed to a hub (which is generally not electronic) |
| 18:37.05 | bozonius3 | it's a 5-port ethernet switch |
| 18:37.58 | buZz | ok, just a switch then |
| 18:38.39 | buZz | are you running any network manager? |
| 18:38.41 | bozonius3 | the hubs were known to be unreliable and slow |
| 18:38.46 | buZz | that might be logging it |
| 18:39.06 | buZz | i used plenty of hubs , they work fine, just slower because you have more collisions |
| 18:39.09 | bozonius3 | buZz: whatever comes with ascii is what I am running. I've made no changes to that |
| 18:39.20 | bozonius3 | (right. I like fast) |
| 18:39.26 | buZz | dno what it comes with , i never installed the default desktop |
| 18:39.45 | buZz | is it wicd? :D |
| 18:39.50 | bozonius3 | I believe so |
| 18:39.57 | buZz | did you config the ip in wicd? |
| 18:40.51 | bozonius3 | of course. THat's how I got a fixed IP |
| 18:40.58 | bozonius3 | s/got/set/ |
| 18:41.14 | buZz | well, there's more than one way to do it :P |
| 18:41.16 | bozonius3 | yeah, its wicd, and I just looked at its log |
| 18:41.25 | bozonius3 | (you are right) |
| 18:41.33 | buZz | does it mention something about the ip? |
| 18:41.34 | bozonius3 | there is always more than one way |
| 18:41.36 | bozonius3 | UNLESS |
| 18:41.40 | bozonius3 | you are running systemd |
| 18:41.43 | buZz | lol |
| 18:41.52 | bozonius3 | then there is only ONE way, and maybe not even that! |
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| 18:42.41 | bozonius3 | the only thing I see is that it is trying to get dhcp connection... wonder why that is? |
| 18:43.16 | bozonius3 | I only have the one interface, and it is fixed IP address. THere is no need for it to try to get an address! |
| 18:43.47 | buZz | you really need to make that ip default then , maybe just set it up through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:43.56 | bozonius3 | maybe wicd assumes that everyone on Earth wants dhcp |
| 18:44.09 | buZz | default there says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:44.12 | buZz | it might be using that |
| 18:44.13 | bozonius3 | make that ip default then? |
| 18:44.26 | bozonius3 | my interfaces file already has that info |
| 18:44.44 | bozonius3 | oh! |
| 18:44.46 | bozonius3 | omg! |
| 18:44.48 | bozonius3 | hold on |
| 18:44.52 | buZz | yeah? |
| 18:45.04 | bozonius3 | no |
| 18:45.06 | bozonius3 | whew |
| 18:45.08 | buZz | oh |
| 18:45.20 | bozonius3 | mine says "iface eth0 inet static" |
| 18:45.33 | buZz | right, followed by the ip etc? |
| 18:45.36 | ivanshmakov | bozonius3: The hubs are also slower because theyâre up to 10 Mbit/s.â(To the best of my knowledge, the Fast Ethernet [and later] standards only allow proper switches, not hubs.) |
| 18:45.51 | bozonius3 | next line is (indented) address 192.168.xx..../24 |
| 18:45.59 | bozonius3 | gateway, dns-nameservers, etc |
| 18:46.08 | buZz | netmask ? |
| 18:46.09 | buZz | :) |
| 18:46.18 | bozonius3 | no, no netmask |
| 18:46.30 | buZz | oh, i didnt know it supported that notation of netmask |
| 18:46.40 | ivanshmakov | bozonius3: No need for netmask if you have /24 prefix length in âaddressâ. |
| 18:46.57 | bozonius3 | if it needed it, I'm sure I'd know by now |
| 18:47.05 | bozonius3 | there would have been an error or something |
| 18:47.38 | ivanshmakov | buZz: I think Debian Jessie added that. |
| 18:47.42 | bozonius3 | I am wondering... it could be the switch, which is a ten- or fifteen-year old Fry's switch |
| 18:47.56 | bozonius3 | or maybe it is the built-in ethernet port on the mainboard |
| 18:48.26 | bozonius3 | I have other interface cards (NICs) |
| 18:48.39 | bozonius3 | but it does work fairly well, other than these occasional blips |
| 18:48.47 | buZz | if its just two computers, why use a switch at all? |
| 18:48.51 | bozonius3 | the cable could be an issue |
| 18:49.01 | bozonius3 | because I did not have a crossover cable... |
| 18:49.22 | buZz | you could be lucky and have a network card that does that automagically |
| 18:49.28 | buZz | most laptops do |
| 18:49.36 | bozonius3 | also, BuZz, I can see activity between the two boxes |
| 18:49.38 | buZz | at least, all my thinkpads and dells i owned :) |
| 18:49.48 | bozonius3 | OK, look, this is a fairly recent board (5 years) |
| 18:49.51 | bozonius3 | it's possible |
| 18:49.57 | bozonius3 | I can try it right now... |
| 18:49.59 | buZz | sure, but you could rule it out as the cause |
| 18:50.10 | bozonius3 | good point |
| 18:50.22 | buZz | > mii-tool eth0 |
| 18:50.32 | buZz | thats useful to see if it has link |
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| 18:52.59 | bozonius2 | yep, it worked |
| 18:53.09 | bozonius2 | and I don't trust that other cable anyway |
| 18:53.31 | bozonius2 | one of the ends has a broken clip, and that MIGHT affect connection |
| 18:53.52 | bozonius2 | mii-tool says eth0 negotiated 100baseTx-FD link OK |
| 18:53.57 | bozonius2 | so it is all good |
| 18:54.33 | bozonius2 | switch is HOT,too |
| 18:55.19 | bozonius2 | you guys still there? |
| 18:55.30 | ivanshmakov | bozonius2: Iâd expect to see spurious âlink up/downâ messages in kern.log when thereâs a mechanical contact issue.â15 y. o. switch sounds like a suspect. |
| 18:55.35 | bozonius2 | or did I just connect to a local loop LOL? |
| 18:55.47 | bozonius2 | I agree |
| 18:55.53 | bozonius2 | no, no kern.log indicators |
| 18:56.39 | bozonius2 | wicd though does have those up and down messages, but the time is in seconds, not wall clock, so I am not sure if those sync with the times I had outages |
| 18:57.00 | bozonius2 | oh wait, no. |
| 18:57.02 | bozonius2 | kern.log |
| 18:57.19 | ivanshmakov | bozonius2: I think I had to replace three or four 7+ year old switches over the past few years due to them spuriously rebooting, or simply going deaf. |
| 18:57.28 | bozonius2 | well, anyway one of the system logs does not post current date and time |
| 18:57.39 | bozonius2 | rebooting? |
| 18:57.49 | bozonius2 | the ones I have don't boot or reboot |
| 18:57.55 | bozonius2 | you just plug them in and they go |
| 18:58.08 | bozonius2 | you must be talking about a router with a built-in switch? |
| 18:58.27 | bozonius2 | these is a plain switch |
| 18:58.32 | bozonius2 | just 5 ethernet ports |
| 18:58.52 | bozonius2 | no software or admin interface |
| 18:59.45 | bozonius2 | ivanshmakov: they only run 100Mb, not 1000! |
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| 19:00.17 | bozonius2 | IIRC, I got these on close-out at Fry's about 10 or 15 years ago. About $5 or $10 apiece |
| 19:00.28 | ivanshmakov | bozonius2: The ones I had blink the leds in sequence right after being powered on, before going live.âs/rebooting/reinitializing/, perhaps. |
| 19:00.34 | bozonius2 | the transformer block is pretty big for such a unit |
| 19:00.46 | bozonius2 | huh |
| 19:01.25 | bozonius2 | sometimes, this one takes a second to kind of "register" the fact that there are cables clipped in, but other than that, it is on from the time I add power |
| 19:03.35 | bozonius2 | it is disconnected now |
| 19:04.00 | ivanshmakov | bozonius2: It only takes a few seconds, but there /is/ a short delay before my switches start working after applying power.âThe faulty ones started to display such a behavior spuriously, without apparent loss of power. |
| 19:04.17 | bozonius2 | the only link up/down messages I am seeing is when I manually stop and start networking service |
| 19:04.33 | bozonius2 | I've looked |
| 19:04.46 | bozonius2 | this has happened 3x today |
| 19:05.57 | bozonius2 | the last time, I thought to look and check for kern.log and dmesg messages, but all I saw was message about last time I manually restarted the connection (due to the previous incident...) |
| 19:07.09 | bozonius2 | this is a RealTek on the board, an 8111. The driver is for 8169, which is probably close enough that it isn't an issue. But it did seem to need the firmware driver to make it work correctly. I am not 100% certain that was a problem though. |
| 19:07.31 | bozonius2 | It just seems like after I installed the fw package for it, things began working more reliably. |
| 19:07.38 | bozonius2 | it's hard to tell though |
| 19:08.53 | bozonius2 | this is actually my 2nd Ascii install on my testbox. The first ended up having all kinds of connecction issues, even after I added the firmware |
| 19:09.26 | bozonius2 | well, I'll let this sit for a day or so and see what happens. It could well be the switch. |
| 19:10.34 | bozonius2 | if the problem comes back, I'll try another NIC in the test box. |
| 19:10.58 | bozonius2 | another possiblity, btw, is that the connection goes to a PCI NIC in my other (main) box. |
| 19:11.06 | bozonius2 | Possible that one is funny, idk. |
| 19:11.24 | bozonius2 | maybe all these guys need is a blast of arctic air for a second or two. |
| 19:12.04 | bozonius2 | seems that some build-up can occur after two metal surfaces (wire and socket) have been in contact for a long time... |
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| 19:17.25 | AlexLikeRock | gvfs-daemons : Depends: libsystemd0 but it is not installable. |
| 19:17.25 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.31 | AlexLikeRock | solution ? |
| 19:18.23 | AlexLikeRock | gvfs its for "automount " ? |
| 19:18.31 | AlexLikeRock | external HDD/USB ? |
| 19:18.33 | AlexLikeRock | rigth ? |
| 19:20.12 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, spacefm and pmount |
| 19:20.33 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 19:20.37 | AlexLikeRock | let me try |
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| 19:21.11 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.33 | AlexLikeRock | BROKEN ! |
| 19:21.55 | fsmithred | right, you can't install gvfs-daemons without libsystemd0 |
| 19:22.22 | fsmithred | you could also use udevil instead of pmount with spacefm |
| 19:22.37 | fsmithred | and I think pcmanfm might work with one or both of those. |
| 19:31.17 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 19:32.05 | AlexLikeRock | what other FILE MANAGER work with it fsmithred ? |
| 19:32.19 | fsmithred | other than those two, I don't know |
| 19:32.39 | fsmithred | and I'm not certain about pcmanfm |
| 19:32.58 | AlexLikeRock | LOOOOL |
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| 19:38.31 | AlexLikeRock | well work fine with pcmanfm |
| 19:38.35 | AlexLikeRock | tanks dude |
| 19:38.42 | AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, |
| 19:39.10 | fsmithred | when you get to ascii, it's a lot harder to avoid lsd0 |
| 19:39.34 | AlexLikeRock | LOOOOL |
| 19:39.45 | AlexLikeRock | jessie 1 |
| 19:39.50 | AlexLikeRock | ASCII 0 |
| 19:40.29 | bozonius2 | L0000L is zero in Lexidecimal |
| 19:41.14 | bozonius2 | (that's scary by the way. Getting AWAY from cysticd and its dependencies is what we want to do) |
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| 22:03.26 | filip | hi |
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| 22:11.35 | cynicfm | hi |
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| 22:16.14 | cynicfm | hi |
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| 22:23.36 | cynicfm | can u see my messages ? |
| 22:24.30 | fsmithred | yeah, you're here |
| 22:25.05 | cynicfm | oh okay :). |
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