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| 02:10.50 | gnarface | i like this |
| 02:10.58 | gnarface | the dead silence suggests nothing is broken |
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| 03:07.55 | tinkering | Since the term Linux generally refers to the GNU Project combines with systemd, would Devuan just be a UNIX-like OS which is similar to Linux? |
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| 03:19.25 | syco_ | its still a distro .. just without systemd |
| 03:21.06 | syco_ | we survived 20 years without systemd |
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| 03:41.15 | tinkering | Okay. Cool. |
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| 04:03.47 | Uberius | tinkering, Devuan is basically a fork of Debian without systemd. |
| 04:10.05 | Criggie | tinkering: devuan is a distro based on a linux kernel, bundled with open source apps from various sources. |
| 04:10.31 | syco_ | its a distro |
| 04:10.31 | Criggie | (add in "gnu" wherever you like) |
| 04:11.21 | Criggie | tinkering: with or without systemd does not affect the kernel. |
| 04:11.50 | Criggie | a distro could use sysVinit or upstart or systemd or whatever and still be linux. |
| 04:20.22 | golinux | Hey all . . . tinkering keeps trying but gets no traction for his silliness here. ;) |
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| 04:25.31 | Acacia | I myself and looking forward to a future in which everyone runs Systemd/Emacs |
| 04:27.11 | syco_ | emacs/sytemd :p |
| 04:53.50 | Xenguy | tinkering: It's about 'init freedom'. Repeat that as a mantra for 2 weeks, then we can discuss |
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| 05:22.12 | negev | hi, after switching from debian 9 to ascii i find that networking doesn't start on boot |
| 05:22.19 | negev | service networking restart seems to fix it |
| 05:22.30 | negev | i've enabled the service with update-rc.d and the interface has an auto clause |
| 05:22.33 | negev | what could be causing this? |
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| 06:07.29 | MinceR | that's not Linux, that's systemd-kerneld :> |
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| 09:11.45 | filipdevuan | hey last week i installed wine to run games like diablo 2 or oblivion. i have optimus intel and nvidia gpus and diablo 2 and oblivion were working fine but then i installed new nvidia drivers to run diablo 3 and path of exile. they both run now but after new drivers installation diablo 2 or oblivion have issues that i think are related to 3d direct3d or just gpu in general :/. what can i do?? |
| 09:12.39 | gnarface | where did you install the new drivers from? |
| 09:12.42 | gnarface | from the repo? |
| 09:13.05 | gnarface | usually the old version is still in the repo for a while and you can downgrade or uninstall it and reinstall the old version |
| 09:13.20 | filipdevuan | yeah from synaptic i think |
| 09:13.34 | gnarface | it also could have been something entirely unrelated that blizzard broke |
| 09:13.40 | gnarface | they are known to do that |
| 09:13.44 | filipdevuan | but oblivion now crashes as well ;/ |
| 09:14.56 | filipdevuan | it sucks cuz i feel like my laptop is not really a linux machine. they give me 2 gpus and one geforce 940mx is quite okay but then they give me 4gb ram... so i feel like i paid 600 dollars for just crap laptope with geforce 940mx and thats it ;/ |
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| 09:15.11 | gnarface | hmm |
| 09:15.20 | gnarface | well i would have told you not to buy optimus if you'd asked me |
| 09:15.34 | gnarface | but your issue may still be fixable |
| 09:16.00 | gnarface | maybe the install didn't complete or missed packages or something |
| 09:16.08 | filipdevuan | yeah it is the easiest way is to reinstall devuan and install wine again however i remember oblivion and diablo 2 werent working freshly after wine installation |
| 09:16.14 | gnarface | bring up a terminal and check the versions of all the nvidia packages to make sure they match |
| 09:16.28 | filipdevuan | but then id be like okay i dont need to run windows programs i have linux but how am i supposed to use nvidia geforce gpu for linux apps and linux games?? |
| 09:16.30 | gnarface | well, did you have a chance to make a backup? |
| 09:16.37 | gnarface | i probably should have told you to make a backup when you had it all working |
| 09:17.17 | filipdevuan | no i haven't. it's fine... i still manage diablo 3 to get working but i dont understand why diablo 2 crashes now when i start and it worked |
| 09:17.28 | gnarface | did you also update wine? |
| 09:17.34 | filipdevuan | yeah |
| 09:17.47 | gnarface | it's more likely wine than the nvidia drivers but anything is possible |
| 09:17.51 | filipdevuan | new games run now but old ones dont its frustrating xD |
| 09:17.56 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |
| 09:18.00 | gnarface | try this in a terminal |
| 09:18.23 | filipdevuan | yeah |
| 09:19.25 | filipdevuan | yeah i have lots of em installed |
| 09:19.34 | gnarface | the versions |
| 09:20.02 | gnarface | ... |
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| 09:21.40 | filipdevuan | dual gpus is a joke |
| 09:21.49 | gnarface | so, those package versions |
| 09:21.53 | gnarface | they should all match for the most part |
| 09:22.06 | gnarface | if you see that you still have some stray ones from the previous version around, upgrade them manually |
| 09:22.27 | gnarface | also, check the wine wiki to see if there's new issues |
| 09:22.50 | filipdevuan | ok cheers |
| 09:25.09 | gnarface | sometimes with the nvidia packges, a couple get left behind for some reason |
| 09:25.16 | gnarface | or at least i've had that problem on ceres |
| 09:25.21 | gnarface | ceres/sid |
| 09:26.13 | filipdevuan | it is frustrating because i wouldnt even bother with wine and windows game but then how am i supposed to make usage of nvidia geforce 940mx??? |
| 09:26.33 | gnarface | look, the lesson is that you're supposed to make a backup when you get everything working right |
| 09:27.03 | filipdevuan | ok ;p |
| 09:27.14 | gnarface | some of those dual-gpu laptops have a proper bios toggle for them |
| 09:27.24 | filipdevuan | yeah ill have a look later... |
| 09:27.32 | gnarface | it's rare |
| 09:27.38 | gnarface | usually you have to pay extra |
| 09:27.47 | gnarface | $600 is pretty cheap really for that rig |
| 09:28.08 | gnarface | the thing is, the optimus tech, it punishes other operating systems' support by design |
| 09:28.25 | gnarface | it does suck, i'm sorry you have to deal with it |
| 09:28.57 | filipdevuan | yeah id just get another laptop for linux or build pc but being poor won't allow me this is why i have to deal with this ;pp |
| 09:29.09 | gnarface | there's always a slim chance the nouveau drivers will behave better for you |
| 09:29.25 | gnarface | but it would take a lot of work to find out |
| 09:29.28 | filipdevuan | yeah but i think i couldnt get newer games running on them properly... |
| 09:29.30 | gnarface | and i can't help |
| 09:29.34 | gnarface | you'd have to ask for help in #nouveau |
| 09:29.37 | filipdevuan | its fine thanks ;) |
| 09:29.44 | filipdevuan | cheers ;p |
| 09:30.03 | gnarface | you'd be surprised, you might be able to get newer games working even, depending on the particular card |
| 09:30.22 | gnarface | but yea, i would have told you not to buy one of those too |
| 09:30.32 | filipdevuan | are there any native linux app that needs geforce 940 gpu?? :S |
| 09:31.19 | filipdevuan | yeah i should have bought more ram and perhaps with just integrated gpu... but well.... |
| 09:31.33 | filipdevuan | its a shame that u cant make a backup of purchase |
| 09:31.40 | gnarface | indeed |
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| 09:32.20 | filipdevuan | i should be happy that i can run new games and i was happy but well older games seem to be much more entertaining to me than the new ones |
| 09:33.22 | gnarface | did anything else break besides diablo2? |
| 09:33.26 | filipdevuan | but well im gonna get 4gb more ram then and i suppose id have to ignore fact that i have nvidia gpu on my laptop. well anyway thanks1! :) i think ill try noveaudrivers again\ |
| 09:33.47 | filipdevuan | yeah the elder scrolls iv oblivion doesnt wanna run. but it run. but it desn't matter anyway. ;p thanks!! |
| 09:34.21 | gnarface | do what ever you have to, but i do think you can get the nvidia card working again if you had it working before |
| 09:34.30 | gnarface | you were using bumblebee? |
| 09:34.35 | gnarface | or optirun or ? |
| 09:35.08 | gnarface | i'm not even sure how people get them working |
| 09:35.17 | gnarface | i've heard mixed results |
| 09:35.34 | filipdevuan | the truth is i think i had diablo 2 and oblivion working before i installed bumblebee because OS was only detecting nvidia gpu and not nvidia in terminal. so when i installed new drivvers and bumblebee it started to detect nvidia gpu but now old games dont work and i think this is what caused the issue |
| 09:35.52 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 09:36.06 | filipdevuan | so perhaps i think i should get back to noveau drivers again\ |
| 09:36.17 | filipdevuan | and just try to stick to free software as much as possible |
| 09:36.28 | Humpelstilzchen | filipdevuan: how many graphic cards does lspci show you? |
| 09:36.29 | filipdevuan | non free software causes problems |
| 09:36.29 | gnarface | well it could still be just a completely unrelated wine regression too |
| 09:36.37 | gnarface | which wine version are you using? wine-staging, or wine-development? |
| 09:36.41 | gnarface | or just regular wine? |
| 09:37.07 | filipdevuan | wine staging as well |
| 09:37.08 | filipdevuan | ;p |
| 09:37.20 | filipdevuan | humpelstilzchen: 3d controller is nvidia device |
| 09:37.49 | filipdevuan | but i think before it was intel and old games worked lol its weird... |
| 09:37.55 | filipdevuan | xD but anyways i dont care ;D thanks ;D |
| 09:38.00 | Humpelstilzchen | filipdevuan: and how many? lspci | grep -c VGA |
| 09:38.18 | filipdevuan | its weird cuz it shows 1 lol |
| 09:38.43 | Humpelstilzchen | filipdevuan: then you have only one and bumblebee is not the for you |
| 09:38.49 | Humpelstilzchen | filipdevuan: it probably messed up your DRI |
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| 09:38.57 | filipdevuan | u mean bumblebee? |
| 09:39.04 | Humpelstilzchen | yes |
| 09:39.27 | filipdevuan | yeah this is possible... whats DRI?? i think id just reinstall all drivers and get back to nouveau... |
| 09:42.00 | Humpelstilzchen | nvidia and intel need different glx libraries. In its default state bumblebee uses the intel version which do break the nvidia 3d accel |
| 09:42.31 | filipdevuan | yeah that is probably the issue so maybe i should just uninstall bumblebee?? |
| 09:42.51 | filipdevuan | cuz im sure that diablo 2 issue is cause of 3d not running properly |
| 09:43.24 | gnarface | i would assume you just change the bumblebee config |
| 09:43.30 | gnarface | or at least try that before blowing it out the airlock |
| 09:43.44 | gnarface | you're too quick to go to red alert |
| 09:43.46 | filipdevuan | ok thx |
| 09:43.46 | Humpelstilzchen | yes uninstall bumblebee. For you its only trouble |
| 09:43.52 | filipdevuan | yeah thanks ;) |
| 09:44.36 | gnarface | wine and nvidia both suck on their own and could have broken diablo2 without the help of your hardware choices, too |
| 09:45.49 | gnarface | but you have to be systematic about how you try to fix stuff instead of just flying off the handle |
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| 09:46.13 | gnarface | or you'll never be able to distinguish between software regression and self-inflicted emotional trauma |
| 09:46.28 | filipdevuan | i know ;p |
| 09:46.47 | gnarface | but definitely, be really careful and take backups, i can't emphasize that enough |
| 09:49.36 | gnarface | i've got an old tv capture card that has worked in linux since the 90's, but i've owned multiple nvidia cards that all the kings horses and all the king's men couldn't keep working on a week-by-week basis even when they weren't obsolete |
| 09:50.11 | gnarface | and that's not even with optimus |
| 09:50.44 | filipdevuan | lol ;p |
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| 09:52.00 | filipdevuan | what do you do on your linux machines?? |
| 09:53.15 | gnarface | things... |
| 09:53.32 | filipdevuan | for me computer is just playing games and this is crazy |
| 09:54.31 | gnarface | it might be crazy |
| 09:54.47 | gnarface | nobody cares if it's crazy |
| 09:54.48 | gnarface | lol |
| 09:54.58 | filipdevuan | i install fresh devuan or other linux distro and im so bored and i dont know what to do so i just feel like playing windows games and it only causes trouble at the end... |
| 09:55.22 | gnarface | well you should have made a backup when you were bored |
| 09:55.29 | gnarface | there's lots of stuff to do |
| 09:55.39 | gnarface | but it might look like fun |
| 09:55.48 | gnarface | *might not, i mean |
| 09:56.02 | gnarface | there's literally thousands of tools to learn |
| 09:56.08 | gnarface | you can do all kinds of cool stuff |
| 09:56.12 | gnarface | you can even run windows in a VM |
| 09:56.22 | gnarface | and you don't have to pay extra for the VM!! |
| 09:56.23 | gnarface | imagine that |
| 09:56.35 | filipdevuan | ;P |
| 09:57.00 | gnarface | there's also a lot of network security and hosting related tools that have become industry standard over the years |
| 09:57.04 | gnarface | worth looking into stuff |
| 09:57.19 | gnarface | media transcoding is a big one too |
| 09:57.50 | gnarface | if you're bored of games, there's definitely reading to be done |
| 09:58.17 | filipdevuan | yeah i really wanna get into native linux games but im so used to windows ones its bad |
| 09:58.19 | filipdevuan | ;P |
| 09:58.25 | gnarface | which wine-staging version did you say broke d2 for you? |
| 09:58.45 | filipdevuan | i think i have newest one |
| 09:59.14 | filipdevuan | ill try to reinstall everything agian and see what happens |
| 09:59.20 | gnarface | it would help more to know the version |
| 09:59.33 | filipdevuan | im not sure how to check it |
| 09:59.36 | gnarface | you might be able to roll back to the previous wine version more easily |
| 09:59.54 | gnarface | you can run: dpkg -l |grep [anything] |
| 10:00.08 | gnarface | so: dpkg -l |grep wine |
| 10:00.23 | gnarface | or, for case-insensitivity: dpkg -l |grep wine -i |
| 10:00.38 | filipdevuan | anyways even when iv had diablo 2 running i couldnt open battle.net it was stuck on checking version i think it has something to do with admin privileges... ;/. its so bad to run windows games and run everything working properly |
| 10:00.53 | filipdevuan | its 3.10 |
| 10:01.04 | gnarface | thanks for checking |
| 10:01.33 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 10:01.43 | gnarface | one common mistake with wine |
| 10:01.57 | gnarface | if you run something as root once |
| 10:02.05 | gnarface | it changes the ownership of a few files |
| 10:02.13 | filipdevuan | damn ;P |
| 10:02.31 | gnarface | then if you run that or anything in that same prefix as the original user, they don't own it anymore, and you can run into problems like this |
| 10:02.57 | gnarface | but if you know you did that, you can probably fix it by chowning the wineprefix back to your self |
| 10:04.21 | filipdevuan | iv played windows games so much that when i cant play them im extremily bored... if i had any fun on using computer without playing windows games wouldnt have issues but im just to stupid and my knowledge is limited... |
| 10:05.09 | gnarface | well everyone has to start somewhere |
| 10:05.47 | gnarface | but if you have the patience to read for long enough it's all available for you to learn right there in your install |
| 10:07.15 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: the cure to limited knowledge is called "learning" :) |
| 10:07.16 | gnarface | linux is all about free knowledge |
| 10:07.22 | KatolaZ | all knowledge is limited |
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| 10:11.28 | gnarface | filipdevuan: tar is useful for backups. rsync is popular, too. there are various other tools. reading about just those would keep you busy for a couple days easily. |
| 10:15.15 | filipdevuan | or just resist from using windows apps and get myself familiar with linux much more |
| 10:16.22 | gnarface | well those tools are all great places to start |
| 10:16.54 | gnarface | but the best way i found to get into linux was to ask people what they used in place of common windows tools and toys i had used |
| 10:17.36 | gnarface | you'd really be surprised how much stuff is in the repo |
| 10:17.40 | filipdevuan | i mainly just played games... |
| 10:17.48 | filipdevuan | mostly online rpg ones... |
| 10:18.36 | gnarface | you're boycotting steam though? |
| 10:19.20 | filipdevuan | well yeah and CEO of it gebe newell too... now they require you to give them your number to play games lol |
| 10:19.34 | filipdevuan | i dont trust steam |
| 10:19.42 | filipdevuan | phone number i mean |
| 10:20.02 | filipdevuan | i like games where i can fight with other players |
| 10:21.09 | filipdevuan | dota 2 is nice game but steam ugh... |
| 10:21.25 | gnarface | i wouldn't really call dota2 "RPG" |
| 10:21.33 | gnarface | but it's immaterial |
| 10:21.40 | gnarface | gog.com does have some linux games |
| 10:21.42 | filipdevuan | wlel its not rpg but its pvp in all aspects ;p |
| 10:21.46 | gnarface | a more limited selection than steam, but some |
| 10:22.19 | filipdevuan | well i think repo has much more to offer than gog and steam ;p |
| 10:22.43 | filipdevuan | but im like omg i cant stand these old linux game with my geforce 940mx gpu!! i should play something with better graphics!!!! |
| 10:23.15 | filipdevuan | i play old school runescape now its ok |
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| 10:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy solistice |
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| 10:53.54 | filipdevuan | okay i deleted bumblebee i opened diablo 2 in -window mode and it works but when i try open it in full screen mode it says cannot initialize 3d but its fine ill sort it out, cheers for help ;) |
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| 12:43.18 | filipdevuan | hi i get that when i press sudo: filipdevuan is not in sudoers file the incident will be reported pls help i dont remember the command for adding myself into sudoers |
| 12:43.38 | ivanshmakov | filipdevuan: # visudo ? |
| 12:43.42 | ivanshmakov | (As root, naturally.) |
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| 12:55.00 | filipdevuan | is sudo just basically su...? |
| 12:55.03 | gnarface | no |
| 12:55.06 | gnarface | well, yes |
| 12:55.17 | filipdevuan | i mean if i put su and then commands i dont have to put sudo then |
| 12:56.18 | gnarface | yes, you can use su instead of sudo |
| 12:56.22 | filipdevuan | i did reinstall of devuan installed mate and now configuring everything for diablo 2 and old school games and i think im leaving wine that way... not worth effort to try run everything |
| 12:56.22 | gnarface | you do not require sudo |
| 12:56.32 | gnarface | you don't even require su but it helps a lot |
| 12:56.35 | filipdevuan | yeah, this sudo is weird i dont like this word lol |
| 12:56.51 | filipdevuan | somebody said its something lazy that came from ubuntu? |
| 12:56.52 | gnarface | the program sudo probably pre-creates a sudoers group |
| 12:57.02 | gnarface | you can add yourself to the sudoers group with the addgroup command (see the man page) |
| 12:57.20 | gnarface | er, adduser |
| 12:57.30 | gnarface | "If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group." |
| 12:57.36 | gnarface | that's from the man page ^ |
| 12:57.52 | gnarface | the groups are stored in the /etc/group file though |
| 12:57.59 | gnarface | you could just edit it directly if you knew what you were doing |
| 12:58.04 | gnarface | it's a very simple text format |
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| 12:58.35 | gnarface | sudo predates ubuntu by a long way |
| 12:58.44 | gnarface | but it's popular with people who don't like to remember more than one password |
| 13:00.29 | filipdevuan | omg that pisses me off i have got a file in /filipdevuan/downloads so i type cd /filipdevuan/downloads and it says no such file or directory |
| 13:05.05 | gnarface | leading slash |
| 13:05.19 | gnarface | you're probably mistaken and actually do not have a /filipdevuan directory |
| 13:05.36 | gnarface | you probably have a /home/filipdevuan/downloads directory |
| 13:05.47 | gnarface | or maybe /home/filipdevuan/Downloads |
| 13:06.16 | gnarface | for that sudo thing, you may *also* have to edit the sudo file (which can be done with visudo) |
| 13:06.19 | filipdevuan | yeah its so confusing lol i got it. on other distros i had open in terminal option when i pressed right click and that was just lazy |
| 13:06.30 | gnarface | i forget whether the default file has the sudoers line commented out or not |
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| 13:07.21 | filipdevuan | i don't know sorry ;P |
| 13:07.56 | filipdevuan | okay i managed to download wine now through terminal, cheers buddy. its bad how i have got a problems with writing directory properly in terminal is like having problems with 2+2=4... |
| 13:08.17 | filipdevuan | ill try to survive without sudo ;P |
| 13:08.59 | filipdevuan | its* |
| 13:10.45 | gnarface | the terminal can tab-complete file and directories in the current path |
| 13:11.06 | gnarface | the tab key is your friend |
| 13:11.47 | gnarface | if you start typing the first few characters of something and hitting [tab] won't auto-complete it, then you're probably looking in the wrong place |
| 13:12.00 | gnarface | it's pretty handy, really |
| 13:12.19 | gnarface | especially when you've forgotten the exact spelling of something |
| 13:12.49 | gnarface | but it can also speed up your effective typing speed at the command-line a lot |
| 13:13.25 | gnarface | you'll find that it's actually rare to need to type more than 3 letters |
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| 13:14.24 | gnarface | if there are multiple possibilities, hitting the tab key again a couple times will show them |
| 13:14.45 | gnarface | try it |
| 13:14.59 | gnarface | type "ch" then hit tab twice |
| 13:15.17 | gnarface | you might hear a beep or see a visual cue too |
| 13:16.08 | filipdevuan | i can write really quick i did writing test once and i had 97 words per minute :P |
| 13:17.39 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:17.49 | gnarface | another thing you can do if you're really bored is learn emacs |
| 13:18.01 | gnarface | the documentation is entirely built-in |
| 13:18.21 | gnarface | you'll never run out of stuff to do with emacs |
| 13:18.23 | _stephen_ | or if you don't have extra digits and the ability to type with your toes, you could learn vim |
| 13:18.40 | filipdevuan | well how do i exit from root on terminal??? |
| 13:18.49 | gnarface | ctrl+d |
| 13:19.00 | gnarface | or probably just typing "exit" or "logout" will work too |
| 13:19.03 | gnarface | maybe even "quit" |
| 13:19.12 | gnarface | like everything but the one that works in DOS |
| 13:19.20 | filipdevuan | ok cheers ;) |
| 13:19.28 | gnarface | i always just use ctrl+d though |
| 13:19.36 | MinceR | i thought exit worked in DOS too |
| 13:20.00 | _stephen_ | isn't it control z in dos? |
| 13:20.24 | MinceR | ^Z is EOF in DOS |
| 13:20.36 | MinceR | i never tried to exit COMMAND.COM with it though |
| 13:21.28 | gnarface | filipdevuan: the shell is called "bash" and has a extensive man page of it's own with all kinds of bad stuff |
| 13:21.34 | filipdevuan | emacs as text editors?? |
| 13:21.44 | filipdevuan | yeah i know |
| 13:22.10 | gnarface | yea, emacs is a text editor |
| 13:22.14 | gnarface | but it also has a built-in terminal |
| 13:22.24 | gnarface | mail and irc clients... |
| 13:22.28 | gnarface | a tetris clone... |
| 13:22.37 | filipdevuan | oh fuck |
| 13:22.52 | filipdevuan | so you saying i could get into this irc channel using emacs? |
| 13:23.01 | gnarface | i've seen it done |
| 13:23.14 | filipdevuan | that's sick. is it that one: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ |
| 13:23.39 | gnarface | yea, that's the one |
| 13:24.07 | filipdevuan | sounds cool ;D |
| 13:24.11 | filipdevuan | cheers |
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| 13:24.48 | gnarface | it used to be considered an exercise in excess, and in many ways still is, but modern computers have gotten so fast that it's no longer really the slowest performing option |
| 13:25.01 | gnarface | stuff like eclipse and visual studio take the cake there |
| 13:25.22 | MinceR | emacs is an operating system |
| 13:25.30 | gnarface | still, yes it's a lot bigger than vim |
| 13:25.32 | MinceR | but a decent text editor is apparently available for it, called "evil" |
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| 13:31.45 | james1138 | Question about installing apps. How does one force Devuan ASCII (if possible) to install a older version of a certain app? Example - Banshee Media Player. If I do not like the current version... is it possible to tell Devuan to install the previous version?? |
| 13:34.08 | gnarface | james1138: check the apt-get man page for full syntax, but i think the general idea is: apt-get install [package name]=[version number] |
| 13:35.22 | gnarface | search for something called apt pinning to set a freeze on a specific version, so subsequent updates won't replace it |
| 13:35.33 | james1138 | Thanks for the tip Gnarface. I knew in Ubuntu, that Synaptic has the option "Force version" but that seems greyed out in Devuan. |
| 13:35.35 | gnarface | note that it could cripple updates for all the dependencies too |
| 13:36.01 | gnarface | if you're having a problem with the new version you should file a bug report |
| 13:36.04 | KatolaZ | james1138: do you have configured repos with the "older" version? |
| 13:36.32 | gnarface | the previous version might still be on the repo currently though, no? |
| 13:36.37 | gnarface | if it just changed recently... |
| 13:36.41 | james1138 | KatolaZ... I do not know how. |
| 13:37.04 | gnarface | debian has something called snapshots |
| 13:37.20 | gnarface | does devuan have any snapshots? |
| 13:37.34 | gnarface | anyone taking snapshots? |
| 13:38.17 | james1138 | The version of Banshee is in "Wheezy" repo. |
| 13:38.34 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:38.56 | gnarface | you know, you should really try to get the source package for it and build it |
| 13:39.06 | KatolaZ | james1138: ... |
| 13:39.27 | KatolaZ | there is little probability that you'll be able to run it under ASCII, TBH |
| 13:39.45 | KatolaZ | unless you rebuild it your own |
| 13:40.06 | KatolaZ | you can try enabling Debian's wheezy repos |
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| 13:55.41 | filipdevuan | wine asks me to download directx 9 as a superuser |
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| 14:04.43 | xrogaan | don't? |
| 14:05.04 | xrogaan | you really shouldn't use wine too much |
| 14:05.07 | filipdevuan | why am i so bothered about running windows game on linux goddamn... |
| 14:05.16 | filipdevuan | yeah i know |
| 14:05.24 | gnarface | i think you're having a user error with wine |
| 14:05.39 | gnarface | either the program you're trying to install is asking to install directx9 |
| 14:05.45 | filipdevuan | yeah diablo 2 |
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| 14:05.55 | gnarface | or... |
| 14:06.27 | gnarface | do you know about setting the WINEPREFIX environment variable? |
| 14:07.34 | filipdevuan | nah its too much fk wine and windows games ;P |
| 14:07.46 | filipdevuan | thanks for helps anyways but its too much |
| 14:07.56 | gnarface | https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Can_I_store_the_virtual_Windows_installation_somewhere_other_than_.7E.2F.wine.3F |
| 14:08.00 | gnarface | here, at least read this |
| 14:08.10 | fsmithred | freecell! |
| 14:08.14 | gnarface | you can make multiple prefixes |
| 14:08.26 | gnarface | if you make a fresh one, wine will initialize it automatically on the first run |
| 14:08.58 | gnarface | do it as your user, put it in your home directory, and make sure never to run it as root, and you can be sure you're not running into permissions problems |
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| 14:09.44 | james1138 | I started.... but it looks like way too much trouble for me just to keep using a older version. Thanks for all the help anyway. |
| 14:09.46 | gnarface | that'll also help you check to see if winetricks or a directx installer hosed your prefix |
| 14:10.44 | xrogaan | why do you play diablo 2 when torchlight 2 works natively on linux? |
| 14:11.24 | filipdevuan | yeah fuck knows how much is torchlight 2? |
| 14:11.56 | james1138 | Installing directx... what about typing winetricks d3dx9_43 into terminal? |
| 14:12.01 | xrogaan | https://www.gog.com/game/torchlight_ii |
| 14:12.28 | filipdevuan | i downloaded them from winetricks im fed up with this now dont care about wine and it doesn't exist for me anymore im gonna delete in in a minute |
| 14:13.25 | gnarface | the problem with winetricks is the tricks that work for some games often break others, so you have to manage multiple wineprefixes with different winetricks combinations for different games |
| 14:13.26 | xrogaan | lol |
| 14:14.40 | filipdevuan | yeah... its true. but i cant be arsed anymore. i didn't ditch windows 10 just to play windows games but on different os, i know linux can run everything but im fed up with windows and windows game right now. |
| 14:15.55 | xrogaan | filipdevuan: aptitude search '?tag(game::strategy)' |
| 14:17.23 | xrogaan | wesnoth is nice, but outdated on the repo. I use the steam version (because I'm bad). |
| 14:17.43 | filipdevuan | but im a bit more familiar with terminal compared to last week. i read info much more and i find it a bit easier to navigate on it, last week i didnt know how to install .deb file but now i know i remember that it's dpkg -i. i definietely need to get a notepad and a pen and start write down most imporant commands for me right now and remember them |
| 14:19.01 | filipdevuan | i know its nothing special to remember dpkg -i but i already feel a bit more familiar with terminal hahah ;P |
| 14:24.25 | filipdevuan | once i get more experienced ill feel more familiar with linux right now im just spammer |
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| 15:32.20 | UsL | hi peoples! Thanks for devuan 2.0. I was wondering though where the torrent downloads went? |
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| 15:45.30 | UsL | is this working? I haven't used irc since xmpp.. |
| 15:45.47 | KatolaZ | UsL: |
| 15:45.52 | KatolaZ | it's working |
| 15:46.00 | KatolaZ | the torrents are under files.devuan.org |
| 15:48.38 | UsL | ooh, I see it now. Thanks KatolaZ |
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| 15:49.12 | KatolaZ | np |
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| 15:53.32 | UsL | I was on the first ascii beta and have updated and upgraded since then and my system says ascii/ceres but I am pretty sure it means ascii 2.0 |
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| 15:53.54 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 15:53.59 | KatolaZ | UsL: which repository are you using? |
| 15:54.04 | UsL | I wanted a clean image for a friend now. Or actually several friends.. |
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| 15:54.31 | KatolaZ | if you have updated properly, it shouldn't say "ascii/ceres" any more |
| 15:54.47 | KatolaZ | just "ascii" |
| 15:55.22 | UsL | looks like this: https://540a847db44a2c13.paste.se/ |
| 15:56.23 | KatolaZ | you can delete L22-24 |
| 15:56.47 | UsL | okay |
| 15:56.51 | KatolaZ | and it is recommended to use "deb.devuan.org" starting with ASCII |
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| 15:59.09 | UsL | I see. So s/pkgmaster/deb and delete lines 12-24 |
| 16:00.17 | UsL | and the "/merged/" should stay? |
| 16:00.44 | KatolaZ | delete 22-24 |
| 16:00.46 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:00.50 | KatolaZ | 22,24d |
| 16:01.09 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.06 | UsL | got it,thanks! |
| 16:04.32 | UsL | if I wanted to try beowulf or even ceres I replace "ascii" only. The rest stays as is? |
| 16:05.28 | UsL | I should read the site carefully instead of asking the same questions btw.. |
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| 16:08.17 | KatolaZ | UsL: maybe avoid beowulf atm |
| 16:09.33 | UsL | okay |
| 16:10.31 | KatolaZ | or, do not expect sparks and whistles |
| 16:10.46 | KatolaZ | we have just started working on beowulf |
| 16:10.52 | KatolaZ | so there might be bumps |
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| 16:12.02 | UsL | I see. Thanks, super happy with ascii btw. Not a single fault despite messing with it some. And no screen tearing watching any vids. Something I can't seem to remedy on my moms Ubuntu Mate instalaltion |
| 16:12.18 | KatolaZ | cool UsL :) |
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| 16:29.05 | filipdevuan | what do i type to install tar.gz sorry im beginner :( |
| 16:29.22 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: it depends |
| 16:29.38 | KatolaZ | if it's an archive of source files, you have to compile them |
| 16:30.33 | filipdevuan | its a game |
| 16:33.40 | filipdevuan | man compile doesnt work :P |
| 16:33.56 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: whwre did you get the tar.gz from? |
| 16:34.00 | KatolaZ | they should have instructions |
| 16:34.26 | KatolaZ | anyway, a tar.gz is a compressed archive |
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| 16:49.41 | filipdevuan | Clone the flare-engine repo and build the executable. <- i have no idea how to do this |
| 16:55.59 | xrogaan | filipdevuan: https://github.com/clintbellanger/flare-engine/blob/master/INSTALL.engine.md |
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| 16:59.08 | filipdevuan | nah i don't get this completely... |
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| 16:59.25 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: then don't do it :) |
| 16:59.36 | filipdevuan | exactly im not going to ;P |
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| 17:11.23 | filipdevuan | is itch.io something like steam? |
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| 17:52.29 | golinux | Solstice greetings to everyone! Now the other side . . . shorter days. |
| 17:55.00 | filipdevuan | please help i added two link to source.list and i get that when i type apt-get update not sure why :/ |
| 17:55.07 | filipdevuan | https://ghostbin.com/paste/kjgr4 |
| 17:59.32 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: if you mix repos without knowing what you are doing, you are up for troubles |
| 17:59.55 | filipdevuan | goddamn |
| 18:00.12 | KatolaZ | and you will run into them |
| 18:00.25 | filipdevuan | well i dont mind reinstalling |
| 18:00.48 | KatolaZ | reinstalling will not increase your understanding by a single bit, unfortunately |
| 18:01.25 | filipdevuan | but the more i reinstall the more i care about my OS being clean, wine and winetricks messed really bad with my laptop |
| 18:02.24 | filipdevuan | what trouble do u mean? |
| 18:02.37 | KatolaZ | filipdevuan: why did you included those repos in the first instance? |
| 18:02.43 | xrogaan | KatolaZ: yeah, it will. It'll teach what not to do. |
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| 18:03.08 | KatolaZ | no xrogaan, if you don't understand what broke |
| 18:03.12 | xrogaan | When I started with mandrake, I reinstalled multiple times because I toasted the system beyond my understanding. |
| 18:03.43 | xrogaan | filipdevuan: I hope you have a dedicated /home partition :) |
| 18:03.43 | filipdevuan | because i want to install two apps |
| 18:03.52 | filipdevuan | dedicated? :P |
| 18:04.28 | filipdevuan | well the truth is i wanna have clean and safe OS but the more i read howto's about installing some game some software some program the more i mess in repos |
| 18:04.39 | filipdevuan | and after a while i end up with reinstalling agian and again ;D |
| 18:04.42 | filipdevuan | it's fun |
| 18:05.07 | xrogaan | so, you can segregate your hard drive into partitions. |
| 18:05.25 | filipdevuan | i think i can however i never do this during installation but maybe i should start |
| 18:05.43 | xrogaan | That's useful if you want to keep part of data but erase other. Like you want to remove the system but keep the users's data. |
| 18:05.57 | filipdevuan | well yeah... |
| 18:06.19 | xrogaan | I have /dev/sdd1 mounted as / and /dev/sdd3 mounted as /home |
| 18:06.35 | xrogaan | meaning I can format sdd1 without fear of losing any meaningful data. |
| 18:07.00 | xrogaan | So I can fuck up my system, since I can reinstall it's not a problem. |
| 18:08.05 | xrogaan | KatolaZ's warning about repos is a bit scary, but most of the time there is little to fear. |
| 18:08.07 | filipdevuan | yeah i never considered that because i never have any important data apart from pictures i download from internet |
| 18:08.24 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: sure? |
| 18:08.25 | xrogaan | What KatolaZ meant was to not use something dedicated for ubuntu on your devuan system |
| 18:08.33 | filipdevuan | but when i had windows 10 i had 30gb of .wav music ripped straight from CD's it's a shame that i lost them |
| 18:08.39 | KatolaZ | mixing Ubuntu's and Devuan's repos wothout understanding what you do? :) |
| 18:08.46 | KatolaZ | you're my guest then :) |
| 18:08.47 | xrogaan | Don't mix the streams. |
| 18:09.03 | filipdevuan | well i get installation guide for debian/ubuntu in one |
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| 18:10.17 | xrogaan | For instance, sublime text provides a repository for debian-based system. And it's fine to use it. |
| 18:10.24 | filipdevuan | i wanted to try this https://itch.io/docs/itch/installing/linux/ubuntu-and-debian.html |
| 18:11.56 | xrogaan | should be safe-ish. It's a repository that contains only the itch app. |
| 18:12.30 | xrogaan | alternatively you could download the .deb directly: https://dl.bintray.com/itchio/deb/:itch_23.6.3_amd64.deb |
| 18:12.44 | xrogaan | and see if dpkg can install it properly |
| 18:12.45 | filipdevuan | The requested path was not found. |
| 18:12.57 | filipdevuan | where did u find it |
| 18:12.59 | xrogaan | right |
| 18:13.11 | xrogaan | remove the ':' |
| 18:13.14 | fsmithred | https://dl.bintray.com/itchio/deb/ |
| 18:13.50 | filipdevuan | cheers for that!!! |
| 18:14.43 | xrogaan | you can use dpkg to install elsewhere than the system |
| 18:14.56 | xrogaan | You can install in $HOME/.local/ instead |
| 18:15.11 | xrogaan | so the package doesn't "contaminate" your system |
| 18:15.20 | xrogaan | and you don't need to be root |
| 18:15.31 | fsmithred | wow, I didn't know you could do that |
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| 18:16.40 | xrogaan | configure your path correctly, I presume? |
| 18:17.05 | xrogaan | I have $HOME/.local/bin in my $PATH :p |
| 18:18.08 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: you are giving a chainsaw to a person who is barely able to use a pocket knife :) |
| 18:18.08 | xrogaan | actually, you do need to be root so that dpkg register the existence of the package |
| 18:18.37 | filipdevuan | yeah i just pressed dpkg -i itch.deb and it seems like everything has installed but dunno where it is |
| 18:18.48 | filipdevuan | oh no sorry i got it |
| 18:18.56 | fsmithred | probably /usr/bin/itch |
| 18:19.05 | filipdevuan | and it works now as well, thanks!! |
| 18:19.16 | filipdevuan | it would be easier if they all had .deb downloads everywhere xD |
| 18:19.32 | xrogaan | filipdevuan: be wary though, you won't get updates |
| 18:19.37 | xrogaan | or bug fixes |
| 18:19.41 | xrogaan | or security fixes |
| 18:19.51 | xrogaan | I would remove that package and use the repository instead. |
| 18:19.58 | xrogaan | (they use it as a vector of update) |
| 18:20.03 | xrogaan | for updates? |
| 18:20.12 | fsmithred | for |
| 18:20.17 | filipdevuan | is repository the location of where packages are |
| 18:20.48 | xrogaan | also, downloading the .deb isn't really to install it but to look at what is in the archive. |
| 18:20.53 | filipdevuan | sorry iv been on windows for 10 years and on linux for 7 days |
| 18:21.30 | fsmithred | repository is where the packages repose |
| 18:21.50 | xrogaan | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_repository |
| 18:22.03 | filipdevuan | oh yeah |
| 18:22.12 | filipdevuan | so links i have in sources.list are repos? |
| 18:22.21 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:22.32 | filipdevuan | so i have repo from itch in my sources.list |
| 18:22.47 | fsmithred | correct |
| 18:22.54 | fsmithred | do you have the key? |
| 18:23.17 | filipdevuan | well yeah i had their key appeared on terminal but it was really long key |
| 18:23.19 | KatolaZ | chainsaw.... |
| 18:23.26 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:23.33 | fsmithred | nah, it's just one package |
| 18:23.50 | filipdevuan | wget -O - https://dl.itch.ovh/archive.key | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:24.01 | filipdevuan | i have no idea whats apt-key add - ... |
| 18:24.08 | filipdevuan | because when i type it nothing happens |
| 18:24.13 | fsmithred | you have to run that whole command |
| 18:24.26 | fsmithred | it should download the keyfile and install it |
| 18:24.35 | fsmithred | then 'apt-get update' |
| 18:24.47 | xrogaan | filipdevuan: KatolaZ isn't totally wrong, if you continue hacking around you should be prepared to find yourself with a broken system :P |
| 18:25.00 | xrogaan | That doesn't mean you should stop though ;) |
| 18:25.08 | filipdevuan | well im just installing apps |
| 18:25.28 | filipdevuan | yeah i pastied that line and now i cant write anything in terminal its just stuck on something |
| 18:25.31 | fsmithred | yeah, all these outside repositories don't test their stuff with all the other outside repos |
| 18:25.37 | filipdevuan | i had a key before i think i already messed it up |
| 18:26.05 | xrogaan | yeah, and with mandrake I was just trying to set a wallpaper for the login manager. |
| 18:26.47 | xrogaan | display manager* |
| 18:27.02 | filipdevuan | but well these two apps from repos are working now |
| 18:27.14 | xrogaan | what you intent to do and what you are actually doing are two entirely different things :P |
| 18:29.28 | filipdevuan | and now im stuck with intel hd graphics while geforce doesnt run i think bumblebee gonna do the trick |
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| 18:37.07 | xrogaan | is the itch "sandbox" thing better than fakeroot? |
| 18:37.44 | filipdevuan | i think its something like steam but for indie games |
| 18:37.57 | xrogaan | > firejail intercepts syscalls and even has advanced functionality like exposing a virtual filesystem so that changes can be recorded and later committed or discarded |
| 18:38.07 | xrogaan | so dumb. Just fakeroot! |
| 18:38.21 | filipdevuan | whats fake root? |
| 18:39.11 | xrogaan | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 18:40.45 | xrogaan | firejail seems to be a layer in between. chroot is a whole virtualized system. |
| 18:41.28 | filipdevuan | so u saying this itch app is crap |
| 18:44.20 | xrogaan | no |
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| 18:48.37 | filipdevuan | i blame search engines for messing up in repos i may actually stop using them at some point |
| 18:48.58 | filipdevuan | cuz i usually type download something in search engine and then i get all these instructions wouldnt happen without them |
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| 18:51.16 | filipdevuan | next time when i reinstall devuan im gonna just try to configure my nvidia gpu, i dont wanna even use this intel dedicated, this dual gpu is a joke |
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| 19:01.29 | xrogaan | you should though |
| 19:01.46 | xrogaan | because the intel integrated gpu uses less power, thus saving your battery life. |
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| 19:32.40 | xrogaan | ah fuck me |
| 19:33.15 | xrogaan | rm on the wrong folder |
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| 20:00.50 | refracta_noob | clear |
| 20:01.05 | refracta_noob | oops |
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| 20:05.16 | xrogaan | extundelete is unhelpful :( |
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| 20:49.21 | xrogaan | I don't get the after/before option. Which direction do they mean? |
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| 20:49.34 | xrogaan | "looking back after timestam"? |
| 20:49.36 | xrogaan | uurgh |
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| 21:05.45 | grillon | hi there |
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| 21:09.20 | grillon | I would like to boot devuan on orange_pi_pc but I have a black screen just after kernel booting message. What can I do to see more? I have tried to add hdmi.audio=EDID:0 disp.screen0_output_mode=EDID:1280x1024p60 on my boot.cmd but nothing change |
| 21:09.59 | xrogaan | I don't know what a orange_pi_pc is. |
| 21:10.21 | ChuangTzu | any error messages? |
| 21:11.11 | grillon | nothing a black screen |
| 21:11.25 | golinux | grillon: #devuan-arm |
| 21:11.30 | grillon | orange pi pc is a SBC(single board computer as raspi) |
| 21:11.39 | grillon | ohh ok sorry |
| 21:11.48 | grillon | thank you golinux |
| 21:13.22 | golinux | grillon: It's OK to post here too but the dev has a better chance of seeing it there. |
| 21:14.40 | grillon | OK, so I'm trying both :) golinux any suggestions? I would like to seem something a message an error but I just have a black screen after booting kernel message |
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| 21:20.16 | golinux | sorry. I have never played with an arm board. |
| 21:23.22 | fsmithred | I no nothing about arm, but when I boot to black screen, the first thing I try is add nomodeset to boot command |
| 21:23.28 | fsmithred | no/know |
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| 21:56.04 | grillon | I have used uart module and I can see kernel boot |
| 21:56.09 | grillon | I got this : sunxi-mmc 1c0f000.mmc: fatal err update clk timeout |
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| 22:36.44 | refracta_noob | getting a frustrating possible bug in jessie with nvidia proprietary driver - for some reason, my xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ isn't respected and I have a weird zoomed in (scaled?) viewport despite the explicit resolution declared in my xorg.conf |
| 22:38.56 | refracta_noob | the screen section is generated by nvidia-settings, using my desired settings, and while I get the weird panning at first login, if I open nvidia-settings and click 'Apply' it gives me the desired mode |
| 22:39.32 | refracta_noob | so it doesn't really make sense why my settings in xorg would produce undesired behavior |
| 22:39.32 | filipdevuan | hey iv installed devuan using mate desktop and can't see option set brightness which i have in xfce by default help pls? :( |
| 22:40.23 | refracta_noob | I think I'm just going to snapshot this install and move on to the ASCII release of Refracta |
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| 22:47.26 | fsmithred | filipdevuan, which brightness in xfce? The desktop background? |
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