| 03:17.13 | *** join/#devuan infobot (ibot@208.53.50.136) |
| 03:17.13 | *** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-06-09): ASCII 2.0.0 https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release | This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | off-topic conversation in #debianfork please | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
| 03:17.13 | *** mode/#devuan [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 03:25.54 | *** join/#devuan technoidX (~technoid@50-26-187-10.abilcmtk01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 03:26.27 | *** join/#devuan mns` (~mns@191.253.137.18) |
| 03:26.45 | xrogaan | something is changing my window manager thing and I don't know what |
| 03:27.11 | tom13 | thing |
| 03:28.57 | xrogaan | I'm not quite sure what yet. |
| 03:29.19 | xrogaan | maybe it is org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager |
| 03:29.48 | xrogaan | I'm not sure because I restored my windowmanager before checking that variable |
| 03:30.54 | tom13 | i dont understand all the components involved |
| 03:31.07 | tom13 | i tell my display manager what window manager to start and it obeys |
| 03:31.15 | xrogaan | it used to do that too |
| 03:32.51 | xrogaan | as if the variable (I assume we call those things "variables") was empty |
| 03:33.13 | xrogaan | Because I don't have any error in .xsession-errors related to the window manager. |
| 03:34.41 | tom13 | i cannot help. |
| 03:34.50 | tom13 | i used to init the wm in .xinitrc |
| 03:35.21 | tom13 | X starts, then it starts a few proggies, like a WM, or a term. |
| 03:35.53 | tom13 | so i would boot to console, like sane computers do |
| 03:35.55 | tom13 | then startx |
| 03:46.34 | xrogaan | yeah, I used to run fluxbox but I wanted something requiring less involvement in the configuration process. I guess I was wrong. |
| 03:49.47 | tom13 | mhm |
| 03:49.56 | tom13 | it is annoying to add apps manually to fluxbox menus |
| 03:50.16 | tom13 | otherwise it's my ideal |
| 03:50.38 | tom13 | i compile my gnustep applets for the fluxbox slit |
| 03:50.45 | tom13 | keep an eye on things i need |
| 03:50.59 | debdog | fluxbox' menu is automagically created by default |
| 03:51.06 | debdog | or at least it has benn |
| 03:51.09 | debdog | *been |
| 03:51.18 | tom13 | well it doesn't update when i add apps |
| 03:51.41 | tom13 | does it for you? |
| 03:52.12 | debdog | hehe, actually I have to check. using a personalised menu... |
| 03:53.21 | debdog | it seems it does. have installed xarchiver a couple of days ago and it's there |
| 03:54.18 | xrogaan | the proper hooks must be present in the package |
| 03:55.01 | debdog | actually has no clue 'bout the background |
| 03:56.11 | debdog | man update-menus |
| 03:58.13 | tom13 | thx |
| 04:02.20 | *** join/#devuan boson (~boson@smtp1.nayr.us) |
| 04:19.05 | gnarface | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/06/10/0321233/systemd-free-devuan-20-ascii-officially-released |
| 04:19.09 | gnarface | soak it in boys |
| 04:19.20 | gnarface | 15 minutes in the spotlight |
| 04:19.40 | furrywolf | yay! does it have the no-wifi-on-install fixed yet? :) |
| 04:19.47 | gnarface | get ready for a shitstorm of trolls saying it's all a waste of time... |
| 04:20.06 | gnarface | i thought they did fix that no-wifi-on-install thing in ascii way before beta... no? |
| 04:20.48 | gnarface | oh shit |
| 04:21.05 | furrywolf | a few months ago it still existed... the installer didn't copy any networking set up during the install to the installed system, so you ended up having to set up wpa_supplicant manually if you have wifi as your only connection. |
| 04:21.09 | gnarface | Bruce Perens gives it the thumbs up and thumbs down debian within the first 20 posts... |
| 04:21.50 | gnarface | I was the second Debian project leader. These days, I prefer to run Devuan, a true Debian derivative engineered the way I would probably have decided to make it. It's efficient and trouble-free. Thanks to the Devuan developers for all of the work! |
| 04:21.55 | gnarface | -- Bruce Perens |
| 04:22.23 | furrywolf | that sounds like a good thing, not an "oh shit" thing... |
| 04:23.17 | gnarface | "oh shit" for the haters :) |
| 04:24.51 | gnarface | well, brace for impact |
| 04:24.55 | gnarface | it might be a high volume sunday in here |
| 04:25.10 | gnarface | if there's anyone out there left who cares |
| 04:25.21 | tom13 | nice |
| 04:25.47 | furrywolf | alas, my plan is to spend all day tomorrow gardening. |
| 04:25.57 | tom13 | good plan |
| 04:26.09 | tom13 | there's something very healthy about that |
| 04:40.45 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telst4r@fsf/member/telst4r) |
| 05:06.52 | golinux | <gnarface> soak it in boys |
| 05:07.01 | golinux | Ahem . . . |
| 05:07.40 | golinux | Bruce sometimes posts on DNG. He is definitely no stranger to Devuan. |
| 05:09.27 | golinux | Ditto lkcl who does the EOMA68 |
| 05:09.50 | golinux | The are the only coherent posters in those comments. |
| 05:13.10 | furrywolf | could be worse. could be youtube comments. |
| 05:13.24 | furrywolf | curls up on golinux for bedtime |
| 05:15.29 | gnarface | golinux: i would measure the incoherent raving trolls as validation, too |
| 05:17.05 | gnarface | if they're the only ones who have anything bad to say about it, that's a pretty big accomplishment |
| 05:17.07 | golinux | Sad but true. |
| 05:18.00 | golinux | The updated site is now live btw. |
| 05:19.33 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:20.30 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 05:21.53 | *** join/#devuan clemens3_ (~clemens@80-218-38-71.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:33.33 | xrogaan | lol https://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12212820&cid=56758444 |
| 05:35.03 | xrogaan | he does miss the point, if you want a systemd system you can use debian... |
| 05:41.24 | xrogaan | oh, slashdot is using a coinhive captcha |
| 05:49.25 | debdog | he has a point there, though |
| 05:58.20 | *** join/#devuan bpmedley (~bpm@c-24-72-144-115.ni.gigamonster.net) |
| 06:05.18 | *** join/#devuan ipe (~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 06:10.47 | *** part/#devuan ipe (~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 06:40.17 | *** join/#devuan mchasard (~pierre@i19-les01-ntr-176-186-41-167.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 06:54.17 | *** join/#devuan physkets (~physkets@unaffiliated/physkets) |
| 06:54.21 | physkets | Hi! |
| 06:55.02 | physkets | Could you guys add Artix https://artixlinux.org/ to the list in: |
| 06:55.09 | physkets | https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom/ |
| 06:55.25 | physkets | It currently offers OpenRC and runit |
| 06:56.25 | physkets | It spawned from some Arch and Manjaro users/maintainers who wanted 'init-freedom'... |
| 06:56.52 | physkets | Also, Arch doesn't really support using 'openrc' anymore, so that info is slightly wrong |
| 07:09.32 | *** join/#devuan euthym (~kamicut@2a02:8109:f40:1305:c09e:c013:e90c:c45b) |
| 07:11.53 | *** join/#devuan Besnik_b (~Besnik@ppp-94-66-221-35.home.otenet.gr) |
| 07:38.28 | *** join/#devuan athidhep (~sb35@unaffiliated/athidhep) |
| 07:48.32 | *** join/#devuan m43cap (~user@host109-158-88-142.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:50.13 | *** join/#devuan koollman (samson_t@sp1.kooll.info) |
| 07:50.47 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~oldmoss@185.206.225.34) |
| 07:54.36 | *** join/#devuan chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0d:6600:ac63:8e1:a7ba:7e1e) |
| 08:14.27 | *** join/#devuan ToffeeYogurtPots (~ToffeeYog@gateway/tor-sasl/toffeeyogurtpots) |
| 08:22.46 | *** join/#devuan Travankor (~Travankor@185.217.68.219) |
| 08:26.51 | *** join/#devuan Travankor (~Travankor@185.217.68.219) |
| 08:28.49 | *** join/#devuan aitor (~aitor@63.85-85-50.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 08:31.11 | *** join/#devuan jbonjean (~root@unaffiliated/jbonjean) |
| 08:39.41 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
| 08:47.48 | *** join/#devuan Levure (~quassel@109.130.215.188) |
| 08:51.06 | *** join/#devuan amarsh04 (~amarsh04@118.211.37.59) |
| 08:53.22 | *** join/#devuan Fervi (~fervi@2a02:a317:e144:d900:a2f3:c1ff:fe2d:aad4) |
| 09:01.11 | *** join/#devuan LeoTh3o (~LeoTh3o@2.236.252.139) |
| 09:05.52 | xrogaan | I can't wait for the release of the systemd operating system. |
| 09:06.11 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: won't need to wait much, maybe :) |
| 09:10.43 | *** join/#devuan cyteen (~cyteen42_@48.56.7.51.dyn.plus.net) |
| 09:12.22 | *** join/#devuan mcnster (~mcnster@184.69.192.118) |
| 09:17.26 | *** join/#devuan SiB64 (~stephan@p54814296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:43.27 | *** join/#devuan elge (~elge@ssd.nethence.com) |
| 09:43.47 | elge | meow there. when trying to use debootstrap to deploy ubuntu xenial in some folder I get |
| 09:43.50 | elge | E: Failed getting release file https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/xenial/Release |
| 09:44.30 | elge | I: Keyring file not available at /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg; switching to https mirror https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged |
| 09:45.48 | elge | whoops, I just needed to install `ubuntu-archive-keyring`, it works now. |
| 09:51.51 | *** join/#devuan Jackpapa (~petike@unaffiliated/jackpapa) |
| 09:52.22 | *** part/#devuan Jackpapa (~petike@unaffiliated/jackpapa) |
| 09:54.45 | *** join/#devuan mns` (~mns@191.253.137.18) |
| 10:02.35 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@anon-45-183.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 10:10.30 | *** join/#devuan fsmithred (~fsmithred@devuan/developer/fsmithred) |
| 10:18.36 | *** join/#devuan markoong (~marco@93.115.85.147) |
| 10:24.00 | *** join/#devuan eliasr (uid27497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqtzbzizhsnybvrx) |
| 10:44.38 | *** join/#devuan m43cap (~user@host109-148-231-133.range109-148.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:48.12 | xrogaan | so which DM you people use, aside xfce and mate? |
| 10:48.34 | xrogaan | I hear cinnamon is more demanding on the graphic side of things, is that right? |
| 10:57.33 | gnarface | i'm still using e17 but it might have gotten removed... |
| 11:01.07 | gnarface | well, recently i tried to update it in ceres and it told me that it couldn't be installed because it depended on missing package e22, which seemed like it would have been a bait&switch anyway |
| 11:01.15 | gnarface | but there's a good chance it's still in ascii |
| 11:06.05 | KatolaZ | gnarface: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 11:06.18 | gnarface | oh cool |
| 11:06.20 | gnarface | thanks |
| 11:07.09 | gnarface | looks like it's still safe in ascii |
| 11:10.11 | KatolaZ | gnarface: it's a very basin interface but does the job |
| 11:10.25 | gnarface | i like it |
| 11:16.53 | *** part/#devuan m43cap (~user@host109-148-231-133.range109-148.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:19.30 | *** join/#devuan unmy (~unmy@unaffiliated/unmy) |
| 11:20.00 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-53-91.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 11:22.02 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 11:23.59 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@anon-36-145.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 11:25.58 | *** join/#devuan m0sin (~m0sin@109.61.198.146.dyn.plus.net) |
| 11:26.23 | *** join/#devuan Guest3495 (~Guest@176.59.33.162) |
| 11:26.44 | Guest3495 | Congrantulations, guys! |
| 11:26.58 | tom13 | ? |
| 11:27.50 | *** part/#devuan hunger (~quassel@kde/developer/hunger) |
| 11:28.12 | *** join/#devuan hunger (~quassel@kde/developer/hunger) |
| 11:29.41 | KatolaZ | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/06/10/0321233/systemd-free-devuan-20-ascii-officially-released |
| 11:30.17 | Guest3495 | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2133 |
| 11:30.21 | Guest3495 | ) |
| 11:30.34 | *** join/#devuan sokan (~Henry@unaffiliated/totaloblivion) |
| 11:31.37 | sokan | Wanted to say congratz on hitting ASCII :D I was waiting for it with great excitement! Iirc it gives the option to work with whichver non-systemd init right? |
| 11:31.41 | Guest3495 | thanx for your work, guys! |
| 11:33.07 | tom13 | \o/ |
| 11:33.30 | mns` | https://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12212820&cid=56758364 |
| 11:33.31 | tom13 | works very well for me |
| 11:33.36 | mns` | from a 'The Coveted Bruce Perens endosement :-) ' |
| 11:33.41 | mns` | congrats guys! |
| 11:33.56 | tom13 | who is perens? |
| 11:33.58 | mns` | From Bruce Perens (the second Debian project leader) |
| 11:34.30 | mns` | :) |
| 11:34.45 | Guest3495 | lol |
| 11:35.11 | Guest3495 | yo nightmare! |
| 11:38.37 | *** part/#devuan physkets (~physkets@unaffiliated/physkets) |
| 11:51.21 | *** join/#devuan CaptainCrunch (~Unknown@HSI-KBW-046-005-000-066.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 11:51.57 | CaptainCrunch | hi guys, i wanted to test the minimal install image, sadly there's no info about the login or password anywhere in the install guide or the homepage |
| 11:52.46 | gnarface | root:toor i think |
| 11:53.44 | CaptainCrunch | i haven't used debian based distribution in 10 years. Is this like common knowledge or something? |
| 11:54.05 | CaptainCrunch | it worked |
| 11:54.14 | gnarface | it might be an old convention but i had to ask too. don't feel bad. |
| 11:55.22 | KatolaZ | CaptainCrunch: just read the README.txt... |
| 11:55.29 | CaptainCrunch | thx again, I have a slight feeling this should be somewhere easily available ^^ |
| 11:55.35 | KatolaZ | that you find in the same folder where you downloaded the image |
| 11:55.41 | KatolaZ | CaptainCrunch: ^^^ |
| 11:55.47 | KatolaZ | it is easily visible |
| 11:55.52 | KatolaZ | if you look :) |
| 11:57.36 | CaptainCrunch | wow, in more then 10 years of Linux, this is the best way to hide a password, imho :) |
| 11:58.35 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 11:58.48 | KatolaZ | I understand if the file was called IGNOREME.txt.. |
| 11:58.53 | KatolaZ | but it's README.txt :D |
| 11:59.45 | CaptainCrunch | if I hand you the image on an usb stick. you're fucked. you'd search on the website, all guides, the LAST place you'd go to is DOWNLOAD, why? because you already downloaded the image. it's logic |
| 12:01.06 | gnarface | that's true, but that would also mean someone booting it without checksumming first... |
| 12:04.13 | Guest3495 | KatolaZ: :D |
| 12:04.27 | gnarface | nonetheless, there is a wiki... someone could put this info there if it weren't already... |
| 12:04.37 | gnarface | (https://friendsofdevuan.org/ ?) |
| 12:07.17 | Guest3495 | i did it wrong, first time, i installed devuan like always do it on debian... all still alive! |
| 12:09.48 | *** join/#devuan _abc_ (~usre@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 12:10.49 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 12:14.44 | Guest3495 | i just wanna say, that there are no any issues to do it like in debian (/me used debian since squeeze) |
| 12:15.50 | Oldmoss | A strange thing happened to me on my way to install ASCII today ... |
| 12:16.42 | Oldmoss | The installer told me it found something that needed non-free software, I think it was wifi. I ignored it. Wifi works just fine. That's good. |
| 12:19.11 | _abc_ | Oldmoss: so what is strange? |
| 12:19.25 | _abc_ | There are alternate drivers and there are sometimes free and nonfree drivers |
| 12:20.05 | Oldmoss | well, those drivers were apparently not mandatory |
| 12:20.26 | Oldmoss | as I was told by the installer |
| 12:22.37 | Oldmoss | Otherwise very nice installation, the only problem was the delay in booting because of "waiting for" ifup, eth0 something |
| 12:22.54 | Oldmoss | Solved with help of https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1688 |
| 12:23.43 | *** join/#devuan oer (~oer@2a01:c22:bc1f:f200:3252:cbff:fe80:bee7) |
| 12:24.04 | _abc_ | Yes NetworkManeger is a pain like that |
| 12:24.55 | sokan | Is it possible to have a package migrated from gentoo to devuan? |
| 12:26.12 | tom13 | yes |
| 12:27.25 | Guest3495 | Oldmoss: debian told same |
| 12:27.36 | fsmithred | sokan, what package? |
| 12:28.26 | sokan | sonarr, radarr. They're my own ebuild. |
| 12:29.40 | _abc_ | fsmithred: hi. Will you be here in 1-2 hours? |
| 12:30.01 | fsmithred | probably not that long, _abc_ , but I will be in and out. |
| 12:30.01 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I would like to do the reverse-refracta thing today, will probably have questions |
| 12:30.06 | _abc_ | oka |
| 12:30.07 | _abc_ | y |
| 12:30.12 | fsmithred | reverse? |
| 12:30.25 | fsmithred | you mean make your own iso? |
| 12:30.26 | _abc_ | fsmithred: from running system on hdd to persistence mounted on stick |
| 12:30.41 | _abc_ | not iso, the rsync mirroring in reverse onto a persistence media |
| 12:31.02 | _abc_ | Do you have a link to a location with refracta related scripts? Howtos? |
| 12:31.06 | _abc_ | Maybe a personal page? |
| 12:31.11 | fsmithred | yeah, hang on |
| 12:31.40 | fsmithred | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html |
| 12:31.51 | fsmithred | easiest way to do it is to make the iso |
| 12:32.05 | _abc_ | refracta2usb does what exactly? |
| 12:32.08 | fsmithred | then use refracta2usb to put it on usb |
| 12:32.30 | fsmithred | mounts the iso, mounts the usb, copies the contents of the iso to usb, make appropriate menu entries |
| 12:32.47 | fsmithred | then you can add a persistent volume (either partition or loopback file, encrypted or not) |
| 12:32.54 | fsmithred | and again, it makes the menu entries |
| 12:32.56 | _abc_ | the usb then being mounted as sdb1 or as sdb? |
| 12:33.07 | _abc_ | ok, I need to read about it. |
| 12:33.14 | *** join/#devuan nailyk (~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk) |
| 12:33.15 | fsmithred | I think it gets mounted as /tmp/usbmount |
| 12:33.28 | _abc_ | I'll look. Not now, in 1-2 hours. Okay, thanks. |
| 12:33.41 | _abc_ | I'll try to do it and then see if I get hung up somewhere |
| 12:33.52 | _abc_ | fsmithred: why did you pick rsync over cpio for refracta? |
| 12:34.07 | fsmithred | ok, it's possible to make a live usb from a running live-usb, but the menu entry needs to be edited |
| 12:34.45 | fsmithred | I actually didn't pick rsync. The original creator did (Dean Linkous, aka meandean) |
| 12:34.52 | _abc_ | what do you mean by menu entry, exactly? |
| 12:34.58 | fsmithred | boot menu entry |
| 12:35.02 | _abc_ | ok |
| 12:35.10 | fsmithred | isolinux and grub(for uefi) |
| 12:35.24 | _abc_ | I'm on non uefi so isolinux |
| 12:35.57 | fsmithred | ok, but if the iso will boot both ways, your usb can boot both ways |
| 12:35.59 | _abc_ | Is there a version of isolinux which can store/retrieve certain simple settings from bios nvram? |
| 12:36.15 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 12:36.17 | _abc_ | Or from the usb partition table unused data |
| 12:36.20 | _abc_ | Okay |
| 12:36.44 | fsmithred | you can use hook scripts with live-boot. |
| 12:37.13 | fsmithred | in addition to all the usual live-boot and live-config options |
| 12:37.38 | _abc_ | Is there a list of those? Or do I have to go read the source |
| 12:37.57 | fsmithred | man live-boot or live-config |
| 12:38.23 | fsmithred | however, if you read the source, you may find more. |
| 12:38.29 | fsmithred | at least one that I know of |
| 12:38.43 | _abc_ | okay. One more thing: suggest a simple script to apt-get install all debs not on the system assuming I have a running system with all those installed. Is there a ready made script for this? |
| 12:39.00 | _abc_ | I gtg in 5 |
| 12:39.05 | KatolaZ | _abc_: ? |
| 12:39.15 | fsmithred | you want to install which debs? |
| 12:39.32 | KatolaZ | which debs _abc_ ? |
| 12:39.36 | _abc_ | I have a running system and a new one, I need to sync the debs on the new one with the old |
| 12:39.46 | _abc_ | KatolaZ: all installed packages. |
| 12:39.55 | KatolaZ | _abc_: man dpgk |
| 12:40.03 | KatolaZ | look for --get-selections / --set-selections |
| 12:40.03 | fsmithred | dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:40.12 | _abc_ | Think of it as rsync for installed devuan systems. |
| 12:40.26 | KatolaZ | _abc_: ^^^ |
| 12:40.30 | _abc_ | ok |
| 12:40.33 | KatolaZ | that's the way to do it |
| 12:40.54 | _abc_ | And can one do it on the new system mounted as data on the old one? |
| 12:41.01 | _abc_ | Using chroot I presume? |
| 12:41.11 | KatolaZ | _abc_: please man dpkg |
| 12:41.15 | KatolaZ | look for --get-selections |
| 12:41.19 | KatolaZ | understand how it works |
| 12:41.34 | KatolaZ | it generates a list of currently installed packages |
| 12:41.38 | fsmithred | you should be able to do it in chroot, but I've never tried |
| 12:41.39 | KatolaZ | a simple text file |
| 12:41.46 | KatolaZ | you can take this file wherever you like |
| 12:41.55 | KatolaZ | and pipe it to dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:42.30 | _abc_ | And will it auto resolve install time conflicts, like dependencies? |
| 12:43.05 | KatolaZ | _abc_: if the packages are installed in system A, all the deps are satisfied |
| 12:43.09 | KatolaZ | ... |
| 12:43.35 | _abc_ | I mean some packages are installed as deps, if the install order is not the same as on the donor system, those which are marked installed as deps will be put on in a potentially different order? |
| 12:44.08 | fsmithred | oh, there are some aptitude commands for setting the automatically installed status |
| 12:44.18 | gnarface | _abc_: you have packages that are marked as either manually installed or not |
| 12:44.25 | _abc_ | Eg if libc resolves as dep for pa and pb, on system a pa is installed and pulls in libc, then pb and that pulls in nothing; on the new system, pb is potentially in the selections list before pa and IT pulls in libc |
| 12:44.38 | _abc_ | gnarface: yes but see above for auto ones |
| 12:44.49 | _abc_ | Does this matter? Is it a concern? |
| 12:44.49 | gnarface | _abc_: if you issue the command to manually install a package already installed, it changes the status to manually installed |
| 12:45.14 | _abc_ | I know, but in the specific context of --get-selections |
| 12:45.35 | _abc_ | Maybe it's safer to clone the system with rsync alone? |
| 12:45.47 | gnarface | i don't know but i don't think the package install order really matters |
| 12:46.05 | _abc_ | gnarface: it matters when doing something like removing a package later or such |
| 12:46.20 | _abc_ | ok, out, thanks, will use this later |
| 12:49.59 | *** join/#devuan Guest2349 (~Guest@176.59.55.185) |
| 12:56.28 | *** join/#devuan oer (~oer@x4e31325f.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 12:58.53 | sokan | fsmithred: so is it possible? :P |
| 12:59.07 | fsmithred | yes, probably |
| 12:59.31 | sokan | It's in .deb as well so I only need to provide the OpenRC service right? |
| 12:59.36 | fsmithred | are these packages that you wrote, or you forked them? |
| 12:59.58 | fsmithred | I don't think that's required - openrc is optional |
| 13:01.30 | fsmithred | if the originals are on git somewhere, clone them on git.devuan.org so that the full history is intact |
| 13:01.49 | sokan | These packages work with a daemon. So a service is needed. Debian has it in their repo but it's systemd. That's why I thought they'd need another service. I mentioend OpenRC because that's what I'm used to atm. |
| 13:02.15 | fsmithred | default in devuan is sysvinit, and you can add openrc if you want |
| 13:02.39 | sokan | https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr this is one of the programs I mention |
| 13:17.45 | fsmithred | sokan, I don't see those packages in debian. Do they have another name? |
| 13:34.34 | *** join/#devuan aqu4_ (~aqu4bot@unaffiliated/subsen/bot/aqu4) |
| 13:48.04 | xrogaan | so, no changelog for devuan's packages? |
| 13:48.15 | xrogaan | E: Cannot display changelog: Origin of base-files version 9.9+devuan2.5 is unknown (maybe not an official Debian package; if it is, try to "update" package lists) |
| 13:51.22 | fsmithred | xrogaan, it's right here, last updated 2 hours ago: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/base-files/blob/suites/ascii/debian/changelog |
| 13:53.32 | xrogaan | Might you know why aptitude can't fetch those? |
| 13:53.51 | fsmithred | what command are you running? |
| 14:03.11 | *** join/#devuan euthym (~kamicut@2a02:8109:f40:1305:c09e:c013:e90c:c45b) |
| 14:23.04 | *** join/#devuan _abc_ (~usre@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 14:23.31 | _abc_ | fsmithred: back. Re: refracta2usb: |
| 14:23.38 | fsmithred | I'm still here |
| 14:24.45 | _abc_ | ok, reading refracta2usb: assuming I do pass in an iso image to put on the stick, it will use that iso image, and in no way copy over things into persistence on the stick, right? |
| 14:25.05 | _abc_ | I have a system installed with refracta from live-desktop, then updated and installed properly with lots of things on hdd |
| 14:25.13 | _abc_ | I run that hdd system, and refracta2usb from it |
| 14:25.16 | *** join/#devuan euthym (~kamicut@2a02:8109:f40:1305:c09e:c013:e90c:c45b) |
| 14:25.49 | _abc_ | If I selected an iso (the same ascii 2.0.0) I used to install the hdd, before the updates, with refracta2usb, then it will put that and no updates on the stick. Right? |
| 14:25.53 | fsmithred | yes, you will choose 'create from iso' |
| 14:25.59 | fsmithred | tell it which iso to use |
| 14:26.09 | _abc_ | Also I assume it needs working space of at least the size of the output iso? |
| 14:26.17 | fsmithred | and it will mount that iso and copy the contents to the usb |
| 14:26.25 | _abc_ | So, again, none of the updates on the hdd get into the stick like that, right? |
| 14:26.29 | fsmithred | right |
| 14:26.33 | *** join/#devuan euthym (~kamicut@2a02:8109:f40:1305:c09e:c013:e90c:c45b) |
| 14:26.53 | _abc_ | But if I tell it to copy the running system then it will put on the stick everything I installed, creating a new iso? |
| 14:27.27 | fsmithred | not sure if that will work |
| 14:27.36 | _abc_ | Understood |
| 14:27.47 | fsmithred | there's a choice to create it from a running live system (usb or cd) |
| 14:28.15 | _abc_ | The steps to get to the point where one plays back the package list to dpkg --set-selections are (correct me if wrong): apt-get update ? |
| 14:29.09 | _abc_ | hmm so to edit the boot menu on a normal live usb one needs to edit the iso file, right? |
| 14:29.17 | _abc_ | with refractausb, this is not needed? |
| 14:29.41 | fsmithred | correct - the read-only system is on a fat32 partition |
| 14:29.50 | _abc_ | *refracta2usb output partition 1 on the target will not be an iso file right? It will be a rw fat32? |
| 14:29.54 | fsmithred | so if you plug it into a running system, you can write to it |
| 14:30.21 | _abc_ | So the output of refracta2usb is different from the output of dd if=devuan*.iso ... right? |
| 14:30.34 | fsmithred | yeah, it's read-only when you're running that live system, but rw if you plug it in like a normal usb stick |
| 14:30.45 | fsmithred | yeah, very different from dd isohybrid |
| 14:30.51 | _abc_ | Okay, I get it now. |
| 14:30.59 | _abc_ | Some things were not syncing in my working neuron |
| 14:31.00 | fsmithred | in fact, if you previously used the usb for isohybrid |
| 14:31.06 | fsmithred | you might have problems booting |
| 14:31.15 | _abc_ | yes I read that part, need to zero the partition |
| 14:31.19 | fsmithred | I usually zero the first few MB |
| 14:31.30 | _abc_ | The howto says 1st 4MB or more. |
| 14:31.43 | _abc_ | Interesting, this is most useful |
| 14:31.48 | fsmithred | yeah, I've been using 4MB and that's sufficient |
| 14:31.54 | fsmithred | should only need to do 2MB |
| 14:31.56 | _abc_ | How much space does one reserve for refracta2usb normally? |
| 14:32.05 | _abc_ | in partition 1 |
| 14:32.12 | _abc_ | I mean how much more than a dd... written iso? |
| 14:32.19 | fsmithred | bigger than the sum of the isos you want on it |
| 14:32.20 | _abc_ | Assuming I only put one live image in it |
| 14:32.36 | _abc_ | For sure but the overhead, is it large? 100M enough? |
| 14:33.10 | fsmithred | a little more than that - has to hold kernel and initrd.img in addition to the filesystem.squashfs |
| 14:33.30 | _abc_ | I'll give it 256MB I think |
| 14:33.43 | fsmithred | that should do it |
| 14:33.54 | _abc_ | ok, nice, I'll try this now. Fingers crossed. |
| 14:34.03 | _abc_ | Any bad behavior expected from refracta? |
| 14:34.14 | fsmithred | no, I don't think so |
| 14:34.24 | fsmithred | remember to mark the fat32 as bootable |
| 14:34.34 | _abc_ | system type 0x0c? |
| 14:34.36 | _abc_ | LBA? |
| 14:34.53 | fsmithred | I use gparted and select fat32 and boot flag |
| 14:35.05 | _abc_ | refracta2usb run as root can see the gui? Or sudo? |
| 14:35.22 | _abc_ | I'll use fdisk as usual |
| 14:35.25 | *** join/#devuan targz (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/targz) |
| 14:35.41 | fsmithred | fdisk -l says W95 FAT32 |
| 14:35.48 | fsmithred | id b |
| 14:37.23 | _abc_ | ok |
| 14:37.31 | _abc_ | I assume that is not critical? |
| 14:37.44 | _abc_ | Formatting is done by refracta2usb right? |
| 14:37.44 | fsmithred | what? |
| 14:37.50 | fsmithred | not really |
| 14:38.01 | fsmithred | r2u allows you to run gparted from within it |
| 14:38.09 | fsmithred | if you pre-format, you can skip that task |
| 14:39.35 | *** join/#devuan _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 14:41.00 | _abc_ | apt-get install refracta2usb -> ng |
| 14:41.05 | _abc_ | it's not on the system |
| 14:41.05 | fsmithred | oops |
| 14:41.19 | fsmithred | yeah, it's not in the repo. I'll get the link. |
| 14:41.26 | _abc_ | Heh |
| 14:41.43 | _abc_ | bbiaf sandwich |
| 14:42.23 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/refracta2usb-2.3.6.deb |
| 14:43.10 | *** join/#devuan guru (~guru@c-24-34-239-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 14:43.41 | *** join/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@unaffiliated/g4570n) |
| 14:48.28 | *** join/#devuan reetp (~john@239.red-80-59-216.staticip.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:51.05 | sokan | fsmithred: https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr/wiki/Installation |
| 14:51.25 | sokan | I can follow these installtions (meant for debian) just as well in devuan right? |
| 14:54.03 | fsmithred | should be able to. Everything in devuan is the same as debian except where there's dependency on systemd |
| 14:56.07 | sokan | okey doke |
| 14:56.17 | sokan | so the tough part will be to autostart it |
| 14:57.23 | _abc_ | fsmithred: so ISO_1 create live-usb from unpacked cd image is what I want for iso, right? |
| 14:57.25 | fsmithred | yeah, it should work with sysvinit |
| 14:57.35 | fsmithred | _abc_, yes |
| 14:57.47 | _abc_ | fsmithred: and this does the rw thing we discussed, right? |
| 14:58.19 | fsmithred | this will put a live OS on the fat32 partition. When you boot that live OS it will be read-only |
| 14:59.03 | fsmithred | if you create a persistent volume, you'll boot with different options so that you get a rw system |
| 14:59.19 | _abc_ | Again: this will put the iso in a dir in the fat32 partition, and boot it via syslinux menu. |
| 14:59.32 | fsmithred | the contents of the iso, yes |
| 14:59.45 | fsmithred | if you want to do it with an intact iso, choose ISO_2 |
| 14:59.54 | _abc_ | aha! |
| 15:00.01 | _abc_ | that is confusing, the menu legends |
| 15:00.03 | fsmithred | that gives you the option of sharing the iso with your windows friends |
| 15:00.17 | sokan | thanks for help fsmithred :) |
| 15:00.33 | fsmithred | you can still use the fat32 for moving files between linux and windows and mac boxes |
| 15:00.51 | fsmithred | yw, sokan and good luck with it |
| 15:01.40 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I am more interested in editing the boot menu than that |
| 15:02.23 | *** join/#devuan GoldenBear (~gb@104.223.31.252) |
| 15:03.21 | fsmithred | _abc_, that's no problem. |
| 15:03.30 | _abc_ | fsmithred: so r2u will install the boot menu for me right? And later I can edit it? |
| 15:03.44 | _abc_ | has not touched a syslinux menu since 1998 or so |
| 15:04.09 | fsmithred | yes, it will create the boot menu and show it to you in a text editor, so you can edit it before it gets copied to the usb. |
| 15:04.22 | fsmithred | and you can edit it later by plugging into a running system and mounting it. |
| 15:04.25 | _abc_ | Formatting persistence directly to ext3 mitigates the problem of unclean umount directly or does one still need to run fsck on boot |
| 15:04.49 | _abc_ | Because so far all live sytems umount the persistence volume dirty |
| 15:04.54 | fsmithred | I think live-boot turns off fsck |
| 15:05.04 | _abc_ | That's a relly bad idea |
| 15:05.22 | _abc_ | I ran like that for a few weeks some time ago and I only noticed it by mistake in dmesg |
| 15:05.24 | fsmithred | well, there's no point running fsck on a cdrom |
| 15:05.34 | _abc_ | It is a REALLY BAD idea for persistence. |
| 15:05.40 | fsmithred | I usually use ext2 on usb |
| 15:06.19 | _abc_ | I mean the shutdown in persistence should try to deal with this problem. Suggestions on how to mend it would be welcome. I assume editing init.d scripts for runlevel 6? |
| 15:06.46 | fsmithred | not sure I understand what the problem is |
| 15:09.22 | _abc_ | umount -a does not go through mount -o remount,ro for persistence mounted as unionfs |
| 15:09.33 | _abc_ | this leaves the persistence volume umounted dirty |
| 15:09.51 | _abc_ | r2u: ISO Boot Menu: isolinux or live ? |
| 15:10.33 | fsmithred | live.cfg in refracta isos |
| 15:10.44 | fsmithred | or isos made with refractasnapshot |
| 15:11.08 | fsmithred | if you choose the wrong one, just open the right one without closing the text editor |
| 15:11.25 | _abc_ | I am on ascii on hdd and I have both, who put them there? r2u? |
| 15:11.43 | fsmithred | debian-live put them there |
| 15:11.53 | fsmithred | yes, both are there - use live.cfg |
| 15:12.03 | _abc_ | /tmp/isomount/live/ has no live.cfg |
| 15:12.28 | fsmithred | maybe in /tmp/isomount/isolinux |
| 15:12.30 | _abc_ | isolinux.cfg exists |
| 15:13.16 | _abc_ | the kernel is in /boot in my case, I think? |
| 15:13.54 | fsmithred | no, it's live/vmlinuz |
| 15:14.17 | _abc_ | why would it be in live ? This is a hdd install |
| 15:14.22 | _abc_ | Or are you about something else |
| 15:14.24 | fsmithred | you want to selet the kernel from the iso |
| 15:14.28 | _abc_ | aargh |
| 15:15.00 | _abc_ | I selected the wrong kernel. Is there a way to go back or do I restart the process |
| 15:15.21 | fsmithred | bail out of that task and run it again |
| 15:15.43 | fsmithred | I think you can still go forward to get a quit button |
| 15:15.43 | _abc_ | sdb1 is already mounted, should I umount it or rescan |
| 15:15.50 | fsmithred | yeah, rescan |
| 15:15.53 | _abc_ | I did quit and it went to the main menu |
| 15:16.08 | *** join/#devuan Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-5d6ac1-187.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:16.20 | fsmithred | practice run is always a good idea ;) |
| 15:18.02 | _abc_ | Unfortunately Exit has no confirmation dialog ;) Add it. |
| 15:18.24 | _abc_ | Also imo place the 'Continue' and the 'Cancel' buttons some space apart ;) |
| 15:18.33 | _abc_ | Copying iso file now |
| 15:20.08 | fsmithred | you would hate the reboot and shutdown buttons on my desktop |
| 15:20.40 | _abc_ | Do I need extra boot options? |
| 15:20.48 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 15:20.57 | _abc_ | 'Additional Boot Options' |
| 15:21.03 | fsmithred | probably not |
| 15:21.11 | fsmithred | username is user? |
| 15:21.37 | fsmithred | if not, you need that option |
| 15:22.15 | _abc_ | username is devuan |
| 15:22.26 | fsmithred | then add the username option |
| 15:22.35 | _abc_ | I don't want autologin |
| 15:22.56 | fsmithred | then add noautologin option |
| 15:23.03 | fsmithred | other, I guess |
| 15:23.22 | _abc_ | yeah past that point, editing the live.cfg directly now |
| 15:24.12 | fsmithred | I need to go out for a bit. Will be back in 20-30 minutes |
| 15:24.18 | _abc_ | np |
| 15:24.21 | _abc_ | thanks for the help |
| 15:24.27 | fsmithred | yw |
| 15:27.44 | *** join/#devuan hackass (~hackass@gateway/tor-sasl/hackass) |
| 15:29.23 | hackass | just some hugs to the devs ...well done on the ascii release .. if i wouldnt be running gentoo .. devu for sure would be my choice :) |
| 15:36.00 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-53-91.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 15:36.27 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@5.146.74.61) |
| 16:01.46 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@ip-198-96-38-155.dynamic.yorku.ca) |
| 16:21.36 | *** join/#devuan bill-auger (~quassel@75-138-187-221.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 16:34.44 | *** join/#devuan ToffeeYogurtPots (~ToffeeYog@gateway/tor-sasl/toffeeyogurtpots) |
| 16:35.37 | *** join/#devuan chillfan (~chillfan@unaffiliated/chillfan) |
| 16:36.35 | *** join/#devuan _abc_ (~usre@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 16:36.37 | _abc_ | . |
| 16:37.30 | fsmithred | _abc_, did it boot? |
| 16:38.04 | _abc_ | I got to the point where it got to black graphics screen, ^-Alt-F1 on console showed "Authentication failure" |
| 16:38.16 | _abc_ | I could reboot in console using ^-Alt-Del |
| 16:38.28 | _abc_ | mounted the media on a running system and compared things, I don't see anything amiss |
| 16:38.35 | *** join/#devuan mchasard (~mchasard@i19-les01-ntr-176-186-41-167.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 16:38.40 | fsmithred | you have username=devuan in boot command? |
| 16:38.47 | _abc_ | I edited the isolinux .cfg to have the exact same options as on the live system |
| 16:38.48 | _abc_ | yes |
| 16:38.56 | _abc_ | excepting for findiso= |
| 16:39.15 | _abc_ | findiso= does not cause an isolinux instance to put in it's own kernel params? |
| 16:39.24 | _abc_ | Because that would explain it? |
| 16:39.32 | _abc_ | ?? |
| 16:40.03 | _abc_ | Also: the persistence partition is ext2 but when I insert it in a running system and mount it from thunar it is read-only, the mount is rw |
| 16:40.10 | fsmithred | I think it uses whatever options are in the boot command you're using (the one with findiso) |
| 16:40.15 | _abc_ | Is there a special rule for mounting partitions called 'persistence'? |
| 16:40.35 | _abc_ | fsmithred: there's a second config on the stick for isolinux |
| 16:40.41 | fsmithred | no, if the label is persistence, you don't need to add the label option |
| 16:40.53 | fsmithred | empty isolinux.cfg? |
| 16:41.12 | _abc_ | just a second. Can you please address the mount issue? The persistence /dev/sdb2 is rw mounted by thunar and not writable |
| 16:41.28 | fsmithred | why is it mounted by thunar? |
| 16:41.37 | fsmithred | it should be mounted by the boot scripts |
| 16:42.08 | _abc_ | please ignore the boot scripts for now, am in the hdd system, mounting the persistence and ISOIMAGE partitions on the stick in thunar |
| 16:42.11 | _abc_ | /dev/sdc2 on /media/devuan/persistence type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,block_validity,barrier,user_xattr,acl,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 16:42.31 | _abc_ | this is the mount, it is okay, but the permissions are wrong. How did it get to be so? |
| 16:42.41 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 16:42.51 | _abc_ | Can't write to it as user, only as root |
| 16:42.53 | fsmithred | what were you planning to do with it? |
| 16:43.00 | _abc_ | Assuming something (r2u) put an acl on it, where is it |
| 16:43.20 | fsmithred | if you mounted it yourself, r2u will be unhappy about it |
| 16:43.21 | _abc_ | fsmithred: this is the persistence volume on sdc2 which goes with the r2u installed iso on sdc1 |
| 16:43.30 | _abc_ | r2u is not involved at this time |
| 16:43.40 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:43.46 | _abc_ | does r2u do anything with acls? |
| 16:43.55 | fsmithred | so whatever way you mounted it determined the options |
| 16:43.59 | fsmithred | no, nothing with acls |
| 16:44.05 | _abc_ | what does uhelper=udisks2 do |
| 16:44.14 | fsmithred | no idea |
| 16:44.25 | fsmithred | must be related to how you mounted it |
| 16:44.26 | _abc_ | The way I mounted it is right click on it in thunar, select mount, then select open in new tab |
| 16:44.36 | _abc_ | So 'i' did not mount it, thunar did |
| 16:44.41 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 16:44.45 | _abc_ | and the problem seems related to the failed boot |
| 16:44.55 | *** join/#devuan ToffeeYogurtPots (~ToffeeYog@gateway/tor-sasl/toffeeyogurtpots) |
| 16:44.58 | _abc_ | note the boot fails even without persistence on |
| 16:45.14 | fsmithred | I never use thunar to mount, (not since wheezy) so I don't know what to expect. |
| 16:45.16 | _abc_ | I do not understand why. Let's see what the mount does now |
| 16:45.58 | _abc_ | ok so in the ext2 mount one needs to create user-owned directories to be able to write to them |
| 16:46.12 | _abc_ | iow thunar etc does not override the user on the mounted ext2 |
| 16:46.19 | _abc_ | which is sane. Okay, one thing explained |
| 16:46.21 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:46.39 | fsmithred | you just want to add files to your home on the persistent part? |
| 16:46.50 | _abc_ | Two, what kernel options do I give to get to a shell, to debug further, perhaps with sh from initrd? init=/bin/sh ? |
| 16:47.02 | _abc_ | fsmithred: that too but for now I need to cut down on the question marks |
| 16:47.27 | _abc_ | status: the new stick made with r2u boots to console, tries to start gui, starts slim, gives authentication failure |
| 16:47.48 | _abc_ | the username=devuan MUST be okay, the iso was not changed is image devuan ascii 2.0.0 desktop live |
| 16:47.58 | _abc_ | so the boot system loses username=devuan somewhere. But where. |
| 16:48.05 | *** join/#devuan gnu_srs1 (~srs@90-224-46-241-no549.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 16:48.31 | _abc_ | in the ISOIMAGE fat32 sdc1: |
| 16:48.35 | fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline in the running live system to see for sure what boot command was used |
| 16:48.54 | _abc_ | Is /proc mounted by the time I'm in initrd? |
| 16:49.10 | _abc_ | Also is something in there to filter out my init=/bin/sh? |
| 16:49.24 | fsmithred | press TAB at boot and add the word, single, to the append line |
| 16:49.31 | fsmithred | and you will boot to runlevel 1 |
| 16:49.58 | _abc_ | Since there's an auth failure with source unknown, should I not override init? |
| 16:50.01 | fsmithred | no, adding init=/bin/sh or init=/bin/bash should work |
| 16:50.12 | _abc_ | okay. |
| 16:50.29 | _abc_ | Looking at the live.cfg which is in ISOIMAGE/syslinux it's okay, it's the one I see |
| 16:50.34 | fsmithred | but if it's just an X problem, runlevel 1 should be fine |
| 16:51.21 | fsmithred | yeah, that's the one that gets used. |
| 16:51.43 | fsmithred | there should be an isolinux dir inside the named dir where you put the system, but that does not get used. |
| 16:51.53 | _abc_ | there is |
| 16:52.03 | fsmithred | yeah, that's just a copy of what's in the iso |
| 16:52.06 | _abc_ | there is also a syslinux dir with it's own config |
| 16:52.12 | _abc_ | confusing as hell if you ask me |
| 16:52.15 | fsmithred | in the root |
| 16:52.17 | _abc_ | okay, we will sort it |
| 16:52.20 | _abc_ | yes |
| 16:52.52 | fsmithred | at the bottom of the help page are some example tree layouts of the usb |
| 16:52.53 | _abc_ | I hate hate hate things which fail succesfully. |
| 16:53.05 | fsmithred | visual might be helpful |
| 16:53.14 | _abc_ | Hm? Oh, okay, I'm over that. I will read it again, for now, I have options to try. |
| 16:53.17 | _abc_ | so long |
| 16:57.38 | *** join/#devuan superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) |
| 17:00.14 | *** join/#devuan _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 17:03.20 | *** join/#devuan chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0d:6600:4c7d:83ec:fe8f:10c0) |
| 17:12.14 | *** join/#devuan athidhep (~sb35@unaffiliated/athidhep) |
| 17:26.40 | *** join/#devuan Diagon (~DiagonalA@unaffiliated/diagonalarg) |
| 17:53.38 | *** join/#devuan abcabc_ (~ruse@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 17:53.49 | *** join/#devuan AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@unaffiliated/alexlikerock) |
| 17:55.12 | abcabc_ | fsmithred: i have no idea what caused that. 2nd time i wiped and reformatted persistence it worked |
| 17:55.44 | abcabc_ | installing packages now |
| 18:03.56 | *** part/#devuan furrymcg1e (~furrymcge@lippydanger.jumpingcrab.com) |
| 18:12.35 | *** join/#devuan divansantana (~divansant@156.0.193.126) |
| 18:43.25 | *** join/#devuan Jjp137 (~Jjp137@cpe-75-83-16-81.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 18:45.16 | *** join/#devuan abcab (~ruse@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 19:10.53 | *** join/#devuan _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 19:15.42 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@grad338-038.resnet.yorku.ca) |
| 19:23.46 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~Oldmoss@anon-44-80.vpn.ipredator.se) |
| 19:59.47 | *** join/#devuan rigelk (~acentau@unaffiliated/rigelk) |
| 19:59.48 | *** join/#devuan Jjp137 (~Jjp137@cpe-75-83-16-81.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 20:11.30 | *** join/#devuan Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) |
| 20:19.00 | *** join/#devuan _abc_ (~usre@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 20:19.17 | _abc_ | Beep. How does one install proper info pages on devuan please? info make -> manpage in info |
| 20:23.44 | _abc_ | do I have to enable nonfree?! |
| 20:25.33 | _abc_ | How does one add nonfree to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:25.43 | _abc_ | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/ there's no nonfree here |
| 20:28.19 | Jjp137 | I'm guessing that the package you want is named 'info' |
| 20:29.40 | KatolaZ | _abc_: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:29.57 | KatolaZ | _abc_: ^^^ |
| 20:30.12 | KatolaZ | _abc_: there is no need to enable non-free to have info |
| 20:30.14 | KatolaZ | apt-get install info |
| 20:36.07 | _abc_ | Yeah I found it meanwhile |
| 20:36.19 | _abc_ | info is installed but the gnu make info page isn't |
| 20:36.38 | _abc_ | should be make-doc but there is no such package in main |
| 20:36.40 | _abc_ | KatolaZ: ^ |
| 20:36.53 | _abc_ | info is/was installed all the time, that is not the question |
| 20:37.27 | _abc_ | after adding non-free apt-get install make-doc works |
| 20:37.43 | _abc_ | (some aspects of debian are REALLY lame). But okay it's a nice system. |
| 20:38.36 | _abc_ | and yes we have info make liftoff |
| 20:38.42 | KatolaZ | _abc_: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 20:42.02 | _abc_ | KatolaZ: the politics of it https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85417/some-info-pages-missing |
| 20:42.34 | KatolaZ | _abc_: I know very well the politics of it |
| 21:13.57 | *** join/#devuan Oldmoss (~oldmoss@46.19.140.18) |
| 21:15.58 | *** join/#devuan sunshavi (~user@181.64.192.148) |
| 21:19.51 | *** join/#devuan snk77 (~FossaMail@190.red-81-39-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:20.18 | *** join/#devuan sicelo (~sicelo@Maemo/community/ex-council/sicelo) |
| 21:28.13 | *** join/#devuan Diagon (~DiagonalA@unaffiliated/diagonalarg) |
| 21:45.35 | *** part/#devuan abcab (~ruse@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) |
| 21:53.46 | *** join/#devuan EHeM (~ehem@mailhost.m5p.com) |
| 21:55.46 | EHeM | The mirror 131.188.12.211 which is in the us.deb.devuan.org list is having trouble (gave 403 a few hours ago). |
| 22:01.20 | gnu_srs1 | Hi, congrats to the ascii release. Now it is time to make progress and introduce stable (ascii), testing (beowulf) and unstable (ceres) repos and workflows :D |
| 22:01.42 | *** join/#devuan aitor (~aitor@63.85-85-50.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 22:01.45 | aitor | hi |
| 22:03.55 | *** join/#devuan _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 22:04.16 | targz | aitor: hi ( #devuan-mx te extraña XD ) |
| 22:04.26 | aitor | hi, targz |
| 22:04.36 | aitor | i've been missing this weekend |
| 22:04.43 | aitor | working :) |
| 22:05.04 | aitor | i've built an image with runit and vdev using the live-sdk |
| 22:05.43 | aitor | i'm uploading it |
| 22:06.05 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/gnuinos%20jessie/ |
| 22:06.54 | targz | aitor: did you contact jobregon? |
| 22:07.13 | aitor | still not, i don't forget |
| 22:07.39 | targz | ok |
| 22:08.08 | aitor | i'll contact with him this week |
| 22:10.13 | *** join/#devuan underd0g (~underd0g@c82-214-98-47.loc.akton.net) |
| 22:15.16 | aitor | one change is needed after the installation of the image: |
| 22:15.51 | aitor | at grub menu type âeâ and append init=/sbin/runit-init to the kernel line |
| 22:16.34 | aitor | the line should be something like this: |
| 22:16.38 | aitor | linux/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=d6ff61e9-ddbc-458a-ad4e-e1664953f69d ro init=/sbin/runtit-init |
| 22:17.27 | aitor | after that, press ctrl+x to boot the modified boot definition |
| 22:18.52 | aitor | i also need to add this init definition to the isolinux/live.cfg file for live sessions (i forgot it) |
| 22:20.04 | aitor | you can also test the popupmenu in this image, it works |
| 22:21.03 | aitor | the terminal doesn't work for the live user (only works for root during live sessions); this is due to vdev |
| 22:21.15 | aitor | but it works after a hard disk installation |
| 22:21.50 | underd0g | so 2.0 is officially out ? |
| 22:21.58 | underd0g | we no longer beta ? |
| 22:22.27 | Jjp137 | yep! |
| 22:22.35 | Centurion_Dan | underd0g: yep the final release is officially out |
| 22:22.52 | underd0g | so anyone tested upgrade path ? |
| 22:23.35 | underd0g | I had a rough year , and haven't been payin' too much atention to anything going on with things I hold dear |
| 22:23.38 | KatolaZ | underd0g: look at the announcement |
| 22:23.50 | KatolaZ | there are links to doc about upgrading |
| 22:24.02 | KatolaZ | and yes, many people have tested them |
| 22:24.41 | underd0g | I got things set up |
| 22:24.54 | underd0g | would hate to ruin this box |
| 22:25.19 | underd0g | but hell , I'll just jump into it |
| 22:26.16 | KatolaZ | underd0g: please follow the instructions provided |
| 22:26.48 | underd0g | will do |
| 22:26.59 | underd0g | I know how to apt-get upgrade |
| 22:27.00 | underd0g | :D |
| 22:28.16 | golinux | It's a little more than that this time. |
| 22:28.18 | KatolaZ | underd0g: please read the instructions anyway |
| 22:28.33 | KatolaZ | especially if you are upgrading from Stretch |
| 22:28.58 | Centurion_Dan | the only caveat I know of is pulseaudio... and that can simply be uninstalled or pinned out - there is no out of the box panel volume control for alsa but I'll work on that soon as I need it for my home theatre pc. |
| 22:29.04 | underd0g | I am on jessie |
| 22:29.17 | underd0g | and , yes I have read the instructions |
| 22:29.41 | underd0g | there's this lil thing I was wondering if someone knows |
| 22:29.56 | Centurion_Dan | ... that's in xfce... don't know whether other DE's have the issue.. |
| 22:30.14 | KatolaZ | underd0g: what is it about? |
| 22:30.26 | underd0g | this box |
| 22:30.38 | underd0g | it's been going since your first beta |
| 22:30.58 | underd0g | so I kinda forgot the first steps I didi with it |
| 22:31.14 | underd0g | I can't edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:32.28 | underd0g | I got opennic server writen in there |
| 22:32.33 | underd0g | and it works |
| 22:32.44 | underd0g | but can't edit it anymore |
| 22:33.08 | KatolaZ | what do you mean "can't edit it"? |
| 22:33.23 | underd0g | I usualy fire up nano |
| 22:33.28 | underd0g | and just edit it |
| 22:33.38 | underd0g | to get my own dns servers |
| 22:33.45 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:33.52 | KatolaZ | lsattr /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:34.02 | KatolaZ | if you have an "a" anywhere, then you need |
| 22:34.10 | KatolaZ | chattr -a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:34.21 | underd0g | I don't |
| 22:34.30 | KatolaZ | what do you have there? |
| 22:34.48 | underd0g | ----i--------e-- /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:35.13 | underd0g | but I also have /etc/resolv.conf.dhclient-new |
| 22:35.21 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:35.24 | KatolaZ | it's immutable |
| 22:35.31 | KatolaZ | chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:35.37 | underd0g | wait |
| 22:35.54 | KatolaZ | you do that when you don't want a file to be modified externally |
| 22:35.55 | underd0g | is it controled by dhclient in devuan ? |
| 22:35.59 | KatolaZ | e.g., by dhclient |
| 22:36.07 | KatolaZ | it could |
| 22:36.20 | KatolaZ | but if you make it append-only or immutable, you are safe |
| 22:37.00 | underd0g | I'll study dhclient first |
| 22:37.07 | KatolaZ | don't need to, tbh |
| 22:37.20 | KatolaZ | dhclient will modify that file if it is given a DNS server with a lease |
| 22:37.39 | underd0g | how do I do that |
| 22:37.43 | KatolaZ | what? |
| 22:37.50 | underd0g | add a dns to dhclient |
| 22:38.04 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 22:38.14 | underd0g | I mean , I have written that /etc/resolv.conf myself |
| 22:38.23 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:38.24 | underd0g | and it has the line I put in it |
| 22:38.28 | KatolaZ | fine |
| 22:38.35 | KatolaZ | do you control the dhcp server? |
| 22:38.49 | underd0g | I want to realise when and how didi the file become immutable |
| 22:39.07 | underd0g | no I do not |
| 22:39.10 | KatolaZ | underd0g: probably you made it immutable |
| 22:39.18 | underd0g | I am hooked to some corporate network |
| 22:39.30 | KatolaZ | underd0g: dhclient won't make it immutable |
| 22:39.32 | underd0g | KatolaZ: why would I do that |
| 22:39.43 | KatolaZ | underd0g: because you wanted to use a specific set of DNS servers |
| 22:39.50 | KatolaZ | and not those provided by the dhcp server |
| 22:40.08 | underd0g | wow |
| 22:40.18 | underd0g | I do not remember that |
| 22:40.33 | KatolaZ | 00:32 < underd0g> so I kinda forgot the first steps I didi with it |
| 22:40.33 | KatolaZ | 00:32 < underd0g> I can't edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:40.38 | KatolaZ | ^^^^ |
| 22:40.45 | underd0g | fuck |
| 22:40.47 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:40.48 | KatolaZ | you said |
| 22:40.58 | underd0g | I just made it writeable |
| 22:41.02 | underd0g | and guess what |
| 22:41.05 | KatolaZ | cool |
| 22:41.10 | KatolaZ | now dhclient will mess with it |
| 22:41.16 | underd0g | lost my opennic |
| 22:41.19 | underd0g | damn |
| 22:41.21 | KatolaZ | wonder |
| 22:41.22 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:41.24 | KatolaZ | I told you |
| 22:41.26 | underd0g | and I am sober |
| 22:41.37 | underd0g | shit |
| 22:41.45 | KatolaZ | it's just the dhcp client |
| 22:41.51 | KatolaZ | there are no ghosts |
| 22:41.52 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:42.00 | underd0g | if I add my dns to wicd , will it resolve ? |
| 22:42.08 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 22:42.27 | KatolaZ | you can try |
| 22:43.09 | KatolaZ | I don't use wicd |
| 22:43.13 | KatolaZ | so I don't know |
| 22:43.24 | KatolaZ | I normally use my own resolv.conf |
| 22:43.32 | KatolaZ | and chattr +a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:43.41 | fsmithred | you can also add a dns to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 22:44.48 | KatolaZ | you could also remove "domain-name-servers" from the "require" line in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 22:44.59 | KatolaZ | but I find chattrs easy to remember |
| 22:45.02 | KatolaZ | and to tinker with |
| 22:45.39 | KatolaZ | I think it's "request" not "require" |
| 22:45.45 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 22:45.48 | KatolaZ | it's "request" |
| 22:46.01 | underd0g | how do I chattr it back to imutable ? |
| 22:46.46 | KatolaZ | chattr +i |
| 22:47.00 | KatolaZ | but chattrs +a / chattr -a should be enough |
| 22:47.10 | KatolaZ | chattr +a / chattr -a |
| 22:47.37 | underd0g | I did -i to make it wiriteable |
| 22:47.46 | underd0g | I want to reverse that |
| 22:48.56 | KatolaZ | chattr +i |
| 22:50.21 | underd0g | okay thx |
| 22:50.37 | underd0g | I'll prolly forget this again |
| 22:50.45 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:51.16 | underd0g | bumped into a disk with my old lmde install the other day |
| 22:53.06 | underd0g | there's things there that make it much more useable than devuan , yet as far as I can tell , it did not change to systemd after a full upgrade |
| 22:56.12 | KatolaZ | underd0g: you should use whatever distro ypou like the most |
| 22:56.35 | *** join/#devuan guru (~guru@c-24-34-239-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:58.49 | underd0g | I'll stick to devuan |
| 22:58.51 | underd0g | just sayin |
| 22:59.00 | underd0g | it's strange |
| 23:00.20 | KatolaZ | what is strange? |
| 23:00.45 | underd0g | you guys seem far more paranoid about certain things than they (mint folk) are |
| 23:00.55 | *** join/#devuan thomascovenant (~qt_junkie@fsfe/thomascovenant) |
| 23:01.15 | underd0g | it's strange that lmde upgrade didn't leave me with systemd |
| 23:01.28 | KatolaZ | shrugs |
| 23:01.35 | KatolaZ | I don't even know what lmde is :) |
| 23:02.19 | underd0g | mint |
| 23:02.27 | underd0g | but debian edition |
| 23:03.35 | KatolaZ | underd0g: I stopped trying out distros around 2002 |
| 23:04.09 | underd0g | I switched from red hat in maybe 2012 |
| 23:04.22 | KatolaZ | I left RH in 2001... |
| 23:04.31 | KatolaZ | or maybe 2002 |
| 23:04.36 | underd0g | took me a while to accustom myself to debian |
| 23:04.41 | KatolaZ | right after RH 8.0 came out |
| 23:04.52 | underd0g | so I was on mint for a while |
| 23:04.58 | KatolaZ | I see |
| 23:06.13 | underd0g | but it's bloated with ubuntu shit |
| 23:06.22 | underd0g | and mint had a debian edition |
| 23:06.41 | underd0g | so I gave it a shot and sticked to it |
| 23:07.14 | underd0g | switched to devuan only cus u guys have the guts to stand up against RH |
| 23:07.37 | underd0g | RH and buntu are destroying linux |
| 23:08.30 | KatolaZ | underd0g: I glimpsed that already when I left RH, back in 2001 |
| 23:08.42 | KatolaZ | but I didn't imagine it would have gone that far, TBH |
| 23:09.11 | underd0g | well , it has |
| 23:09.28 | underd0g | don't think it will ever go back to being better |
| 23:11.02 | underd0g | so if and when devuan shuts down , I'll become a bsd guy |
| 23:19.13 | golinux | Huh!?? |
| 23:23.34 | nacelle | there are other non-systemd linux than those |
| 23:23.40 | nacelle | shrugs |
| 23:23.43 | nacelle | do 'em all |
| 23:23.46 | nacelle | dont limit yerself |
| 23:24.15 | nacelle | the relative cost of entry is low other than your time |
| 23:43.39 | *** join/#devuan Tom-_ (~tomg@64-7-156-74.border8-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 23:43.53 | *** join/#devuan sunshavi (~user@181.64.192.148) |