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| 03:50.14 | Centurion_Dan | unmy: there is still a live lease using that IP for another system/mac address. |
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| 09:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: ummy: looks to me like you have a statically configured IP on your client ("disabling DHCP static address 10.1.1.10") and still dnsmasq tries to get a DHCP IP lease |
| 09:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI you should do either/or, not both |
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| 09:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to assign a persisting IP to a MAC, you need to do so on DHCP server, not client |
| 09:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | *or* you configure your client with static IP address, but then you don't run DHCP to get a new IP |
| 09:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated guess |
| 09:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | also MAC randomization or change during boot comes to mind, could that be a problem here? |
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| 09:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know a DHCP lease request can ask for a certain IP address, and DHCP server will probably grant that if it's in subnet range unless it's assigned to a different MAC already |
| 09:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I know, at least |
| 09:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no expert |
| 09:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the first line of what you posted seems to suggest that 10.1.1.10 was assigned to a different MAC before |
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| 11:21.13 | unmy | DocScrutinizer05, nah, dhcp server is fine, 10.1.1.10 assigned to correct mac on server, client got same mac, on client default configuration |
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| 11:22.35 | unmy | it happening only with sysvinit together with isc-dhcp-client, all rest different distributions/systems/devices NEVER got such a problem |
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| 11:25.21 | unmy | it is isc-dhcp-client which don't know why sending DHCPDECLINE to the dhcp server and asking for different IP |
| 11:29.35 | unmy | other weird thing is that client first time setting up correct ip 10.1.1.10 to after second send DHCPDECLINE and add another not assigned ip like 10.1.1.2xx without drop the previous one... |
| 11:32.32 | unmy | maybe isc-client expect extra functions from systemd and need fix some script because like I said it happens in debian stretch with sysvinit and devuan ascii |
| 11:36.26 | mipl_ | hey. probably not. i have several mixed networks running, this problem only occured due to a misconfigured dhcpd.conf. |
| 11:38.24 | mipl_ | the DHCPDECLINE is sent after the client did an ARP-probe and found the IP already in use. |
| 11:39.00 | mipl_ | your client is not changing the MAC while setting up network? or has two interfaces with the same MAC in the same network? |
| 11:39.55 | mipl_ | happened to me once with generated LXCs and a (my) faulty script |
| 11:44.05 | mipl_ | or: is there somewhere a second (hidden) dhcpd running? |
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| 11:50.50 | mipl_ | to debug: look with tcpdump what is happening in the network: |
| 11:51.09 | mipl_ | tcpdump -i eth0 -s 1500 port bootps or port bootpc |
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| 11:51.46 | mipl_ | then doublecheck MACs and IPs |
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| 12:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://support.ruckuswireless.com/answers/000003789 and ypur paste says it's dnsmasq-dhcp, not isc-dhcp-client |
| 12:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<mipl_> or: is there somewhere a second (hidden) dhcpd running?)) dnsmasq-dhcp vs isc-dhcp-client. Another fishy detail: "br-lan" in that paste, "br " like "bridge"? |
| 12:22.59 | unmy | DocScrutinizer05, server dhcp is on openwrt router and log is from there, isc-dhcp-client is on laptop box |
| 12:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 12:24.00 | unmy | mipl_, not any mac changes, all happening on same interface with same mac, router says same |
| 12:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait... does initrd already configure the network? |
| 12:25.49 | unmy | only isc-client got that problem, with any other dhcp client software is just fine without modificating anything, purge isc, install other client is fine |
| 12:31.52 | unmy | DocScrutinizer05, probably can set it up and configure to use with network disks |
| 12:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing: the dhcp-client in initrd and regular system must play nice with each other? |
| 12:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | would that explain why there are two DHCP requests? |
| 12:40.01 | unmy | a little :) |
| 12:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | tricky topic https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/172159/disable-dhcp-in-initramfs for example |
| 12:46.48 | unmy | ye tried with ip=none |
| 12:46.56 | unmy | didn't help :P |
| 12:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I searched https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=isc-dhcp-client+initrd to learn what's up with that, seems it's a quite a broad area to have fun |
| 12:47.34 | unmy | and I never liked isc dhcp, many many years somebody told me to not using if don't have to |
| 12:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | with systemd-dhcpd all across the field |
| 12:48.16 | unmy | but would be cool to know what is wrong since it is in default installation |
| 12:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 12:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | also note how 3 of 10 first hits are bug tickets :-P |
| 12:52.11 | unmy | it kind of start looking like a windows issues where is 234242 same bug reports with 321321 fix stories |
| 12:53.01 | unmy | s/is/are |
| 12:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never underestimate the impact of poetterware like avahi (aka zeroconf) to acerbate a loosely related problem |
| 12:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | exacerbate even |
| 12:56.57 | unmy | speaking of, got some avahi ipd package installed and that package created scripts in dhcp hooks... |
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| 13:13.03 | unmy | DocScrutinizer05, ok found out, somehow only isc-client is so sensitive for that... |
| 13:13.07 | unmy | "Before actually configuring the address, dhclient-script should somehow ARP for it and exit with a nonzero status if it receives a reply. In this case, the client will send a DHCPDECLINE message to the server and acquire a different address. This may also be done in the RENEW, REBIND, or REBOOT states, but is not required, and indeed may not be desirable." |
| 13:13.57 | unmy | and on openwrt default: net.ipv4.conf.default.arp_ignore=1 and net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore=1 |
| 13:14.35 | unmy | when changed arp_ignore to 0 on router interface then all works fine... jeeeesusssss |
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| 13:17.12 | unmy | still is weird that isc couldnt ignore it like every does |
| 13:22.11 | unmy | so... sorry for spam and my problems and thanks for help :) I probably should create 'issue' on openwrt and/or isc client somewhere :) |
| 13:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>"...and indeed may not be desirable."<< LOL yeah |
| 13:26.02 | unmy | ye LOL :/ |
| 13:27.08 | unmy | and with arp was my first idea but didn't know that is blocked by default :\ |
| 13:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got aware how little I know for sure about DHCP |
| 13:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds so simple |
| 13:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and looking at wireshark, it actually seemed to be as simple as it sounds |
| 13:28.58 | unmy | :) |
| 13:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it works ;-D |
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| 13:47.21 | unmy | bleh, nah, after 2 reboots and more is still same problem even with arp ignore 0 all interfaces, so it is just isc client problem with don't know what :P tired to dig more for now or will reconfigure too much in too many places |
| 13:50.55 | KatolaZ | unmy: are you sure you are shutting down the dhcp client correcty? |
| 13:50.57 | KatolaZ | correctly? |
| 13:51.04 | KatolaZ | it might not release the leases if you don't |
| 13:51.25 | KatolaZ | and if the server is not notified, it will propose a new IP at each request |
| 13:51.28 | KatolaZ | no matter the mac |
| 13:51.40 | KatolaZ | (since it thinks that the matching IP is taken) |
| 13:52.00 | unmy | reboots enough + deleting lease file in /var/lib/dhcp/ |
| 13:52.18 | KatolaZ | this is a problem with the dhcp SERVER |
| 13:52.23 | KatolaZ | look into dhclient manpage |
| 13:52.27 | KatolaZ | under "-r |
| 13:52.32 | KatolaZ | and "-x" |
| 13:52.37 | KatolaZ | they are one after the other |
| 13:52.59 | KatolaZ | you should kill it throuhg `dhclient -r` probably |
| 13:53.39 | KatolaZ | this is not strictly necessary, but some servers require it |
| 13:54.40 | unmy | dhcp server is fine... |
| 13:54.55 | KatolaZ | unmy: please read what I wrote above |
| 13:55.00 | KatolaZ | "fine" does not mean much |
| 13:55.10 | KatolaZ | some servers have problems with clients not releasing the leases |
| 13:55.20 | unmy | tried before even with router restart all together with client box reboots etc etc |
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| 13:55.29 | KatolaZ | unmy: you haven't read |
| 13:56.28 | KatolaZ | try to stop dhclient with -r instead of the standard -x |
| 14:01.52 | unmy | KatolaZ, ye cool but it doesnt change anything with scripts running isc dhcp, like said before there is some problem with service/script |
| 14:02.28 | unmy | sure when I kill it and run it again, works great but next reboot I will get again two IP addresses |
| 14:02.28 | KatolaZ | unmy: script are made to be modified and/or adapted |
| 14:02.52 | KatolaZ | then just look for the place where the option is specified |
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| 14:05.01 | unmy | it is dhclient-script provided by isc software :\ |
| 14:05.36 | KatolaZ | so it can't be modified? |
| 14:05.39 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 14:06.19 | unmy | not sure what can modificate there |
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| 14:17.26 | unmy | ok, so isc-client is fine, dhcp server is fine but something wrong in network script(s) which I don't know how even init the dhcp process |
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| 16:18.53 | unixman | Ah, I see the ascii release hit overnight. Sweet. :) |
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| 20:35.40 | _stephen_ | Weird, just did another install from the dvd, very similar hardware, except I didn't have to manually run efibootmgr this time. |
| 20:37.50 | _stephen_ | Dunno if it matters, but the other system had 0 entries before running the installer, dunno if that was a problem. |
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| 20:51.49 | aitor | hi |
| 20:55.07 | aitor | i'm doing an experiment, i'll be back within an hour |
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| 21:06.37 | unmy | aitor, good luck and try to not destroy something or somebody! |
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| 21:25.24 | aitor | :) |
| 21:25.55 | aitor | in any case, it'll not be today; it'll take some hours |
| 21:28.44 | unmy | aitor, I will do the experiment too, I will try use ascii as a daily use desktop :P |
| 21:30.35 | unmy | as a platform to build openwrt images will be great on different machine but don'n know how many packages I will have to build by own if will need something newer, rolling release distros for that use working better for me I think :) |
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| 21:44.11 | aitor | i'm building gcc-4.9 in jessie, including the code of libstd++-v3 taken from ascii |
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| 21:45.46 | aitor | three hours building without errors |
| 21:45.59 | darkworld | I haven't considered changing distros in about 5 years, but I've messed around with Devuan a few times on other PCs. Might I ask, is Devuan ASCII ready enough for daily use? I'm pissed off with Slackware right now but I'm not going to install ancient Jessie packages on my machine |
| 21:46.21 | darkworld | Also I ahvent used Debian in like 5 years. If I want to set up a minimal system, I use the netisntall iamge, yes? |
| 21:48.00 | aitor | my problem with libstd++-v3 is related with simple-netaid-gtk, developed in gtkmm, concretly with std::thread and std::mutex |
| 21:48.45 | gnarface | darkworld: yes, and yes |
| 21:48.54 | darkworld | alright |
| 21:49.21 | aitor | i always developed it in ascii, and i get errors in jessie |
| 21:50.10 | gnarface | darkworld: for minimal, choose expert mode install, and when you get to the tasksel panel, just don't check any boxes. |
| 21:50.25 | gnarface | it'll still be bootable |
| 21:50.54 | darkworld | Ive never been opposed to a minimal system, but I ahte bleeding edge distros with a passion |
| 21:51.01 | gnarface | i would recommend still including "standard system utilities" because they don't take much space compared to what they provide |
| 21:51.14 | darkworld | yeah I getcha |
| 21:51.21 | darkworld | I jsut want a system that isnt 10GB |
| 21:51.45 | gnarface | that will use about ~500MB |
| 21:51.48 | darkworld | And im thinking about falling for the window manager meme again |
| 21:52.11 | gnarface | you can add a desktop and still keep it under 2GB if you choose the right one |
| 21:52.25 | gnarface | (not KDE) |
| 21:52.33 | darkworld | Ive used XFCE for a long time |
| 21:52.42 | darkworld | I hate DEs but it's the only good one imho |
| 21:53.32 | gnarface | just remember there's nothing you can't install later after your first boot, so don't feel the need to evaluate what you want to include during install |
| 21:53.45 | darkworld | yeah thats the idea |
| 21:54.07 | darkworld | I just want a stable system that just werks (TM) |
| 21:54.23 | darkworld | I have thigns to do during the day and the last thing I want to do at home is configure things all day |
| 21:55.52 | darkworld | mad props to the devs of this great system btw my buddy shills devuan all the time |
| 21:56.20 | darkworld | Ive installed jessie before on random PCs and I can confirm |
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| 21:57.20 | gnarface | yea they're doing a good job |
| 21:57.28 | gnarface | better job than Debian, these days, sadly |
| 21:57.37 | darkworld | lol |
| 21:58.03 | gnarface | Debian might as well be Ubuntu now |
| 21:58.09 | darkworld | Funny enough the reason I switched from Debian to Slackware around 2013 was because Debian was too buggy for a "stable" distro |
| 21:58.38 | gnarface | hmmm, is that when they switched to systemd? |
| 21:58.43 | darkworld | that was later |
| 21:58.51 | darkworld | but you can miss me with that shit |
| 21:59.01 | darkworld | *shakes finger profusely* |
| 21:59.03 | gnarface | i had problems with the upgrade to Debian jessie but not Devuan jessie |
| 22:00.13 | darkworld | btw stupid question is TeX Live easy to install |
| 22:00.21 | darkworld | Its the only HUEG package I desperately need |
| 22:00.48 | gnarface | i think it's a bunch of separate packages |
| 22:00.55 | gnarface | but i don't think it's hard to install |
| 22:01.08 | gnarface | i always end up with it eventually as a dependency of something or another but never used it |
| 22:01.44 | darkworld | I draft lots of professional documents and using Markup languages is practically cheating because my stuff is always better than my peers |
| 22:02.12 | KatolaZ | darkworld: texlive works fine in ascii |
| 22:05.18 | darkworld | btw I have a graphics tablet is there any specific package set I'll need for that |
| 22:08.39 | gnarface | hmmm. yes, but i don't know them off the top of my head. is it by wacom? |
| 22:09.17 | darkworld | Its a ugee tablet but iirc its wacom compatible |
| 22:09.45 | gnarface | i know there are wacom drivers, as well as one or two other brands. |
| 22:09.48 | darkworld | the main productive things I do with my PC at home is Krita and TeX |
| 22:10.15 | gnarface | it's important to note that it's got all the same drivers as Debian |
| 22:10.39 | gnarface | all the same packages too, with a few exceptions |
| 22:10.41 | darkworld | Yeah I know most are in the kernel but there are some certain tools involved with ym tablet |
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| 22:16.51 | gnarface | darkworld, darkworld_ `apt-cache search wacom` and `apt-cache search tablet` comes back with a bunch of stuff for me. (you can still use packages.debian.org for a mostly-accurate packages search tool if you don't know how to query the devuan repos directly) |
| 22:18.28 | gnarface | `apt-cache search ugee` doesn't return anything for me, but it wouldn't be unheard of for similar devices to share a driver |
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| 22:19.54 | darkworld | alright im installin |
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| 22:32.08 | darkworld | does the netinstaller install a login manager because I dont like those |
| 22:33.23 | gnarface | i think it will by default if you pick a window manager/desktop environment. but if you don't check any of those boxes in tasksel you can install piecemeal afterwards without them. |
| 22:33.54 | gnarface | (or you can just purge whatever it installs) |
| 22:34.25 | gnarface | you might run into a package snarl there but we can help you through it |
| 22:36.45 | darkworld | damn the install failed when installing the only packageset |
| 22:36.49 | darkworld | probably a unetbootin problem |
| 22:36.51 | darkworld | should I dd? |
| 22:37.26 | unmy | darkworld, just do dd |
| 22:38.08 | unmy | during installation set up default utils, uncheck desktop, print and blabla and after you will be in home |
| 22:38.10 | gnarface | unetbootin doesn't work with the iso-hybrid images, i don't think. you don't need it though. |
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| 22:56.16 | darkworld | so im back at the package select |
| 22:56.24 | darkworld | so I deselect devuan desktop environment right |
| 22:56.34 | darkworld | if i want a minimal install |
| 22:57.32 | darkworld | oh wait I see previous post nvm |
| 22:59.32 | gnarface | yes, uncheck everything if you want. you probably do still want to leave "standard system utilities" checked though unless you know that you don't want things like `less` |
| 22:59.53 | darkworld | yeah im installing those |
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| 23:06.07 | darkworld | alright its installed |
| 23:06.15 | darkworld | 310 packages, I'm impressed |
| 23:06.28 | darkworld | installing openbox, wish me luck |
| 23:10.27 | SuicideJunkie | I'm getting a gcc error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so: No such file or directory... but ls shows that there is indeed such a file. |
| 23:11.13 | SuicideJunkie | Google has hinted that it could be a 64/32 bit thing or some unnamed dependencies, but I'm lost and out of search terms to try. |
| 23:11.25 | SuicideJunkie | Any advice or keywords? |
| 23:13.00 | darkworld | oh yeah that remind sme how do i install multilib |
| 23:13.03 | darkworld | or do i need to |
| 23:13.10 | darkworld | iirc you did in debian years ago |
| 23:13.40 | SuicideJunkie | darkworld: multiarch? |
| 23:13.45 | darkworld | yeah |
| 23:14.04 | darkworld | i need it for muh gamez |
| 23:15.12 | SuicideJunkie | dpkg and i386... one sec |
| 23:15.58 | SuicideJunkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.04 | darkworld | I have 32 bit libraries installed already then, yes? |
| 23:17.17 | SuicideJunkie | That would add the option to get them. |
| 23:17.28 | darkworld | because I know I need to have those before installing my graphics driver or steam doesnt work |
| 23:17.29 | SuicideJunkie | You'd still need to actually pull down, say wine32 |
| 23:18.12 | SuicideJunkie | Depends on the driver I suppose. On mine, I'd just re-run the driver install and it picked it up and added on the 32 bit support. |
| 23:18.33 | darkworld | so I added the mirror in dpkg, so do I have to go get them now? |
| 23:19.15 | SuicideJunkie | an apt-get update and then install to your heart's content |
| 23:20.20 | darkworld | alright, so I can just install my graphics driver now? |
| 23:20.34 | darkworld | I already have the file on my disk |
| 23:21.34 | SuicideJunkie | I expect so. No idea which driver you've got tho. |
| 23:22.43 | darkworld | Nvidia proprietary |
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| 23:23.29 | SuicideJunkie | Ah. It'll probably demand you boot into single user mode first. |
| 23:23.57 | SuicideJunkie | Also needing the dkms package installed if you haven't already. |
| 23:25.56 | SuicideJunkie | Between 3 PCs for me bro and dad, and borking things, I've done the install sequence a few times now, and have all the drivers on a separate partition mounted to /backup |
| 23:26.08 | darkworld | Unable to find a suitable destination to install 32 bit compatibility libraries |
| 23:31.07 | SuicideJunkie | After install, its init 1, add user to sudo, dpkg i386, aptget install dkms, wine32, linux-headers, and then NVIDIA... |
| 23:31.21 | SuicideJunkie | the linux-headers would probably be the one you're missing. |
| 23:31.47 | SuicideJunkie | Get whichever headers match what you're actually running. |
| 23:33.20 | darkworld | no package called linux-headers, is there a specific modifier im supposed to use for this |
| 23:35.01 | SuicideJunkie | it'll be linux-headers-#.##.#-# maybe just try linux-headers-amd64 for the meta package. |
| 23:35.24 | darkworld | alright im installing |
| 23:36.41 | gnarface | darkworld: for nvidia and steam you probably just need to install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 23:37.08 | gnarface | (after enabling multiarch of course) |
| 23:37.37 | gnarface | make sure you're not using the shell script from nvidia.com. that will hose stuff. |
| 23:37.54 | darkworld | sorry for all the newb questions. I haven't used debian in 5 years |
| 23:38.01 | darkworld | nor have i ever done a netinstall with it |
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| 23:38.36 | gnarface | no worries, everyone has to start somewhere |
| 23:38.39 | darkworld | what will happen with that script? its what ive been trying to use |
| 23:38.48 | darkworld | I always used it on slackware |
| 23:39.04 | darkworld | I just mounted my home partition, I havent even started x yet |
| 23:39.10 | darkworld | already disabled noveau |
| 23:39.31 | SuicideJunkie | I'm actually using it now. Can't see a libgl1-nvidia in synaptic search. |
| 23:39.55 | gnarface | the script isn't apt/dpkg aware so it'll run rough shod over your fragile multi-arch package dependency tree. the damage won't be apparent at first. it becomes apparent later when you try to upgrade and the whole thing implodes. |
| 23:40.21 | darkworld | I see |
| 23:40.22 | SuicideJunkie | Good to know. |
| 23:40.34 | darkworld | So im installing the libgl1-nvidia thing |
| 23:40.45 | darkworld | how should I go about isn talling the proprietary driver then? |
| 23:40.51 | darkworld | is that what Im doing? |
| 23:41.03 | gnarface | the debian wiki is still accurate on this |
| 23:41.19 | Xenguy | loves the debian wiki for documentation... |
| 23:41.21 | gnarface | basically just `apt-get install nvidia-driver` but then you have to add some extra :i386 stuff for Steam |
| 23:41.39 | darkworld | I see |
| 23:42.04 | gnarface | maybe for steam you just need the :i386 version of libgl1-nvidia-glx but some games may require additional stuff |
| 23:42.22 | gnarface | make sure you use the *steam* package from the repo too. the one from Valve's site is for Ubuntu and it will also break. |
| 23:42.38 | darkworld | alright I try to install an nvidia-driver and there are unmet dependencies from hell |
| 23:42.45 | SuicideJunkie | which repo would that be? |
| 23:42.59 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: the devuan repos, in this context. |
| 23:43.13 | gnarface | darkworld: you remembered to run `apt-get update` after that dpkg --add-architecture command, right? |
| 23:43.19 | darkworld | yeah |
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| 23:43.27 | darkworld | I already installed the nvidia i386 stuff |
| 23:43.35 | darkworld | im trying to install nvidia-driver now |
| 23:43.41 | gnarface | it should have come with it.... |
| 23:43.45 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:43.52 | SuicideJunkie | I've got the default repos, and the search isn't finding nvidia |
| 23:43.53 | gnarface | you should have made sure to install the 64-bit versions first |
| 23:43.59 | darkworld | shit |
| 23:44.05 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: you have to add non-free to your sources.list |
| 23:44.13 | darkworld | can I just uninstall the other one or have I done the damage |
| 23:44.23 | gnarface | you can uninstall. |
| 23:44.34 | SuicideJunkie | gnarface: ah, 2 out of 3 were. |
| 23:44.42 | darkworld | alright doin that |
| 23:45.02 | darkworld | hopin I can keep this system under 800 packages before isntalling my programs |
| 23:45.20 | gnarface | it *should* get all the package dependencies for you. i would worry less about the package count than used space. |
| 23:45.27 | darkworld | unable to correct problems you have borken packages |
| 23:45.45 | darkworld | I removed the i386 stuff |
| 23:45.54 | darkworld | trying to isntall nvidia-driver again |
| 23:45.57 | SuicideJunkie | And even space isn't a big deal. Hard to eat a terabyte even with today's inefficient coding. |
| 23:46.21 | darkworld | yeah but I have small disks. Getting a new job in a few days hopefully though |
| 23:46.32 | Xenguy | best of luck |
| 23:46.36 | SuicideJunkie | Ah, legacy parts? |
| 23:46.44 | darkworld | I upgraded this thing recently actually |
| 23:46.49 | darkworld | but ive been using the same disks for years |
| 23:46.51 | SuicideJunkie | I don't think you can even buy <1TB these days |
| 23:47.25 | darkworld | I have a AMD 8350 x8 4.0Ghz and a GTX 770. Nothing super fancy but it's the ebst i've had |
| 23:47.47 | SuicideJunkie | I upgraded my machine when corp bought us all stuff. If they were willing to do that it must be dirt cheap :D |
| 23:47.57 | darkworld | I mean jeez I used a crappy single core celeron dektop till 2013 |
| 23:48.21 | darkworld | I know a bunch of people in south america who laugh about crappy specs because theyre all poor |
| 23:48.33 | darkworld | its a fun topic but you never eally need great specs for gnu/linux |
| 23:48.41 | Xenguy | exactly |
| 23:48.54 | darkworld | anyway I have borken packages what do |
| 23:48.57 | Xenguy | Which is satisfying to me |
| 23:49.04 | SuicideJunkie | I've got a thinkpad still running. Its pentium chip features MMX! |
| 23:49.21 | darkworld | I just retired my X200s because it died altough im more of a dektop user |
| 23:49.22 | Xenguy | Love the TPs |
| 23:49.26 | darkworld | im tping this to you on a t60p |
| 23:49.27 | SuicideJunkie | 166Mhz, 48 megs of ram, 2 whole gigs of disk space. |
| 23:50.01 | gnarface | darkworld: gonna need to see some shell output to know how to help you fix "broken packages" |
| 23:50.16 | gnarface | darkworld: chances are this is something that nvidia shell script did though |
| 23:50.23 | Xenguy | darkworld: Huh, that might even be pre- w/e that Intel crap is: ME? |
| 23:50.41 | SuicideJunkie | it is also nice to know if you want you can just put the installer stick in and start from scratch until you get it right. |
| 23:50.48 | darkworld | its pre management engine |
| 23:50.55 | Xenguy | SuicideJunkie: I like to use 'ncdu' for clean-up |
| 23:50.58 | SuicideJunkie | My TP is running win98se actually. |
| 23:51.02 | Xenguy | hah |
| 23:51.16 | darkworld | damn government get out of my pc reee |
| 23:51.34 | SuicideJunkie | Got a PCMCIA card with USB2 connectors, and shove a 64GB stick in that puppy. |
| 23:51.55 | darkworld | following packages have unment deps: nvidia-driver: depends: nvidia-driver-libs but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:52.15 | gnarface | need to see WHY, specifically, darkworld |
| 23:52.30 | gnarface | paste.debian.net |
| 23:52.37 | Xenguy | +1 |
| 23:53.15 | darkworld | im not even in X I dont know how to copy text from a terminal |
| 23:53.21 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:53.28 | gnarface | there's a shell program called pastebinit |
| 23:53.32 | gnarface | you could use that |
| 23:53.41 | gnarface | (it's in the repos) |
| 23:54.03 | SuicideJunkie | BTW, any ideas on what to read up on regarding the gcc file not found with the file right there? |
| 23:54.20 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: rings a bell... i found it on google. |
| 23:54.43 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: you trying to crossbuild something for a different architecture? |
| 23:54.43 | Xenguy | darkworld: If you use screen or tmux, they can copy/paste at a virtual console |
| 23:55.30 | SuicideJunkie | I'm trying to build it for my current machine. And I plan to shovel it over to an identical clone box for my brother. |
| 23:56.14 | SuicideJunkie | Its kodi, so 32bit, on a 64bit box. |
| 23:56.58 | Xenguy | gnarface: huh, that pastebinit looks interesting |
| 23:57.34 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: you might be missing the 32-bit compiler? |
| 23:57.59 | Xenguy | kodi FTW |
| 23:58.21 | gnarface | SuicideJunkie: make sure you have gcc-[version]-base:i386 in addition to the amd64 one |
| 23:58.47 | gnarface | (there will be other stuff but it should get them as dependencies of that or `apt-get build-essential`) |
| 23:59.13 | SuicideJunkie | I did get through more than half the other bits to compile, but that's a good thing to try. |