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| 00:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KatolaZ> you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else)) ohmy you need to improve your help skills |
| 00:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KatolaZ> xrogaan: I already answered that question)) no you didn't |
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| 02:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: I have no real clue but I'd prolly add the needed debian repo to sources.list (or even replace the devuan sources.list by the debian one temporarily), then apt-get update, apt-get install <x11 debug package>, and then immediately revert all edits I did to souces.list and run apt-get update again |
| 02:19.35 | xrogaan | the debug symbols aren't something threatening to the integrity of the system. What might be bad is if the symbols don't match the binary, in which case I won't be able to debug |
| 02:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 02:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the point in this obvious statement? |
| 02:20.30 | xrogaan | I intend to remove the thing once I'm done with it. |
| 02:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | still... |
| 02:20.51 | xrogaan | I wouldn't replace my source.list with pure debian though :) |
| 02:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't understand how stuff works, did you? |
| 02:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 02:21.17 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 02:21.47 | xrogaan | same packages but installed differently? |
| 02:21.57 | djph | nearly |
| 02:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you change sources.list *temporarily* to allow installation of one single debian package not avaulable under amprolla merged |
| 02:22.41 | djph | weird that amprolla doesn't just 'fallthru' to debian proper |
| 02:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | then as I clearly stated you immediately revert all changes to your sources.list |
| 02:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | djph: it does? |
| 02:23.19 | xrogaan | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, that requires me remembering things. I wouldn't trust myself :) |
| 02:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't remember that you did a "mv sources.list souces.list.ORIG" a 15min ago and you need to "mv sources.list.ORIG souces.list" after you're done instaling your package, then you actually have a much bigger problem that one software package missing |
| 02:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | in maemo you could have used a script I made, for exactly similar issue related to maemo-extras vs maemo-extras-devel repo, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs -- however you still need to remeber to actually run the right commands |
| 02:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: there's only one simple rule: NEVER do an apt-get upgrade or install an arbitrary package as long as you run a modified sources.list. ONLY use modifications to sources.list TEMPORARILY to apt-get install <one-particular-package-not-available-otherwise> |
| 03:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | djph: I think devuan lacks the one *new* debian repo that has debug packages - at least that's what I distilled from previous chat in here |
| 03:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | djph: otherwise "fall through" is exactly how amprolla works |
| 03:02.50 | djph | ah, that's teh piece i was missin' then |
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| 03:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a nutshell devuan repo has redirects to debian(!) repo packages, except for those packages that got forked in devuan to neuter systemd |
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| 03:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the links !amprolla provided above |
| 03:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously when debian introduces a new repo (e.g. for debug packages) then amprolla needs to know about that and a equivalent new devuan repo needs to get created, to forward to the debian repo (except for those packages bla bla). This is what is missing here, so adding the original *new* debian repo to your sources list is a viable work around as long as you act careful and remove that repo from your sources.list as soon as you did |
| 03:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you needed that new debian repo for, like installing a package with debug symbols |
| 03:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTH |
| 03:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* a possible alternative approach would be to simply download from debian repo and dpkg -i install the package you want |
| 03:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | downside: no check for dependencies in dpkg -i |
| 03:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | to check for pending doom in tweaking sources.list, you could do (assuming your system is correctly up-to-date via apt-get upgrade etc): tweak souces.list ("cp sources.list BACKUP" first!), then apt-get update; apt-get --simulate upgrade: ' this will list all packages that would get messed up if you do something silly while using the tweaked sources.list. Then revert to normal by "mv BACKUP sources.list" and "apt-get update" |
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| 04:18.44 | golinux | djph: Amprolla does pretty m=much that. IIRC amproplla uses redirects to pull from the Debian repos but with filters to ban any packages requiring systemd |
| 04:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what >>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla<< says, yes |
| 04:21.39 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 |
| 04:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh a new version :-) |
| 04:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | !literal amprolla |
| 04:23.36 | infobot | "amprolla" is "<reply>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla" |
| 04:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla is also https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 |
| 04:23.50 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 04:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 04:24.36 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 |
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| 15:34.34 | erusima | Hi. Does anyone know how to install devuan on headless system? Is it at least possible to boot it with sshd? |
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| 18:52.16 | agl | hen will be devuan-ascii-2.0.0 released? On the mirrors there is a directory devuan_ascii with the date 2018-Jun-1. |
| 18:52.24 | agl | But there is nothing inside |
| 18:52.43 | KatolaZ | agl: when it' ready |
| 18:52.58 | phogg | sooner if you help |
| 18:53.07 | agl | :) |
| 18:53.26 | agl | I help for the ARM-Version |
| 18:53.40 | agl | parazyd is my adress |
| 18:53.55 | KatolaZ | you can use the RC in the meanwhile |
| 18:54.14 | agl | yes i download it in this moment |
| 18:55.41 | agl | th virtual discs for virtualbox and qemu |
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| 19:33.03 | msiism | KatolaZ: so, is the plan to have a new installer ready when releasing Beowulf? (just curious) |
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| 20:03.10 | KatolaZ | msiism: we are not releasing beowulf... |
| 20:04.31 | fsmithred | not even for Christmas? |
| 20:08.39 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: given that there are 365 days in a year, of which only 6 are after Christmas, there is a high probability that Beowulf's release data will be before Christmas |
| 20:08.47 | KatolaZ | :P |
| 20:09.29 | msiism | KatolaZ: i'm well aware that what is being released next is ASCII. |
| 20:09.48 | KatolaZ | (now, be careful I didn't specify the year, so I hope nobody goes on Dev1Galaxy saying that Beowulf will come next Christmas) :D |
| 20:12.18 | golinux | Can we please just leave Christmas out of the equation. It's such a downer. How about solstice! |
| 20:12.47 | golinux | Astronomical events are appropriate for Devuan |
| 20:14.46 | msiism | sometimes feels like Devuan is an astronomical event. |
| 20:37.41 | NewGnuGuy | o/ |
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| 21:24.19 | agl | How can I switch on the grafical login (lightdm) when I installed xfce4? |
| 21:29.59 | golinux | slim is the default for xfce4. iiuc lightdm requires a different *kit combo that may or may not be compatible with Xfce. |
| 21:31.25 | agl | ok! How can I switch on (slim or lightdm)? I can only start Xwindows with "startx". |
| 21:34.24 | agl | I want the windows for login of X-Windows? |
| 21:35.02 | gnarface | usually works automatically once you install one of them |
| 21:35.26 | agl | ok .. I will try |
| 21:35.43 | gnarface | lightdm, gdm, xdm, kdm? there are a few, i don't know what they're all called. |
| 21:36.38 | agl | Thanks :) |
| 21:37.29 | golinux | agl: Are you on jessie or ascii |
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| 21:37.42 | agl | on ascii-rc |
| 21:37.53 | agl | the virtual disc for quemu |
| 21:38.06 | agl | qemo |
| 21:39.55 | golinux | OK. Don't know about that method but I do know that's a backend problem with polkit/consolekit. |
| 21:47.16 | KatolaZ | golinux: there is no backend problem if the desktop is installed via tasksel |
| 21:47.31 | KatolaZ | (or by a user who actually knows what to install by hand:)) |
| 21:51.09 | agl | OK I have selected over tasksel the installation of xfce4 |
| 22:13.58 | KatolaZ | agl: you should be fine then |
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| 22:24.36 | agl | KatolaZ: It works ... slim does also work ... Thank you! |
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| 22:32.25 | aitor | hi |
| 22:36.32 | NewGnuGuy | hello aitor |
| 22:37.44 | KatolaZ | agl: good |
| 22:39.21 | aitor | Katolaz: late for you |
| 22:45.17 | aitor | runit + vdev = 40 seconds boot time |
| 22:46.22 | g4570n | hi aitor |
| 22:46.30 | aitor | hi |
| 22:47.32 | g4570n | aitor #devuan-mx |
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| 23:31.56 | agl | good bye ... I'am going to bed |
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