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| 00:00.45 | fsmithred | xrogaan, darkpurpy is darker than the purpy theme in jessie |
| 00:01.01 | xrogaan | it's pretty white for me :( |
| 00:01.12 | fsmithred | white? |
| 00:01.24 | fsmithred | on some monitors it does look gray |
| 00:01.28 | xrogaan | the background colors in the windows |
| 00:01.36 | fsmithred | oh, yes |
| 00:03.27 | xrogaan | see, all white: https://a.safe.moe/DM7M5My.png |
| 00:04.56 | fsmithred | you don't have the devuan background? |
| 00:05.05 | fsmithred | purple with devuan swoosh |
| 00:05.40 | Criggie | xsetroot -solid DarkCyan |
| 00:05.45 | Criggie | what more do you need? |
| 00:05.57 | Criggie | If you can see the background, you're not working hard enough |
| 00:09.55 | gnarface | the background is really big, is it possible his hardware can't load it? |
| 00:10.20 | xrogaan | heh? |
| 00:10.46 | gnarface | xrogaan: does your video card have more than 2MB of ram? |
| 00:10.48 | xrogaan | there should be an image as background? |
| 00:10.55 | xrogaan | yeah, 1GB |
| 00:11.00 | gnarface | nevermind |
| 00:11.49 | fsmithred | the background comes with desktop-base. If you installed xfce from the installer iso, you should have it. If you installed xfce separately, then maybe not. |
| 00:13.02 | xrogaan | I just removed xfce |
| 00:13.31 | xrogaan | 'cause it annoys me when I forget to hit "F1" at the DM to login on xfce. |
| 00:13.42 | fsmithred | oh yeah, that's mate, isn't it? |
| 00:13.46 | xrogaan | yes :) |
| 00:14.42 | fsmithred | everything working ok? |
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| 00:19.40 | xrogaan | compton is a bit weird |
| 00:20.04 | fsmithred | is that for the fancy desktop effects? |
| 00:22.58 | xrogaan | yeah |
| 00:23.25 | xrogaan | I don't think there are any. |
| 00:25.03 | gnarface | compositing is still partially to mostly broken for a lot of popular drivers |
| 00:25.04 | xrogaan | there is a gui to configure compton, doesn't seem to work either. |
| 00:25.26 | xrogaan | I do get the term transparency and vsync though |
| 00:25.34 | gnarface | you could try a different compositor, or just a different driver, but after years of struggle the only workable solution i found was to just turn it off. |
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| 00:26.22 | gnarface | really depressing, because it's eye-candy that could really be used to make Windows users jealous, but it can only be trusted to reliably do so for a few minutes at a time in controlled conditions |
| 00:28.00 | gnarface | some of the compositing bugs i've seen with the Nvidia drivers constitute fairly obvious security risks |
| 00:28.28 | gnarface | (swapping around window buffers and getting them confused so that it renders the wrong email's contents in a window, for example) |
| 00:28.50 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 00:29.09 | gnarface | yea, *really* bad |
| 00:29.43 | xrogaan | by default, compton starts with `compton --config /dev/null' when configured through MATE Tweak. |
| 00:29.49 | xrogaan | which seems a bit stupid? |
| 00:29.56 | fsmithred | I stopped using nvidia driver for something weird like that |
| 00:30.20 | fsmithred | after reboot, last video watched appeared in mosaic form |
| 00:30.27 | xrogaan | oh |
| 00:30.40 | xrogaan | that's a buffer issue ain't it? |
| 00:30.58 | xrogaan | I had that when starting the Torment game. |
| 00:30.59 | fsmithred | I guess. I made it a non-issue. nouveau works well enough |
| 00:31.04 | xrogaan | But only with that game. |
| 00:31.25 | gnarface | it's unclear how much of the problem is Nvidia's drivers and how much is the compositors. they both point the blame at everyone else. |
| 00:31.38 | xrogaan | yeah, it's nvidia. |
| 00:32.00 | fsmithred | I keep compositing turned off |
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| 00:39.59 | xrogaan | and since mate is at least as annoying as gnome when it comes to configuration files, I have no idea where to look to change how compton is launched. |
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| 01:02.08 | xrogaan | ooh, shutter is awesome. |
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| 02:08.22 | holla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8 |
| 02:15.10 | Criggie | I've learned to not open links without some level of explanation. |
| 02:17.37 | xrogaan | this is why infobot should do that for us: fetch the metadata and all that. |
| 02:17.59 | xrogaan | .t |
| 02:18.04 | xrogaan | or just a title |
| 02:20.35 | buZz | i can bring my titlebot in here |
| 02:21.01 | buZz | i guess its ok, i'm op here |
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| 02:22.20 | Criggie | I'm also at work, and a sudden... rickroll... would be unappreciated. |
| 02:22.22 | buZz | ^ the nickname is a pun |
| 02:22.29 | buZz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8 |
| 02:22.46 | buZz | ah, still warming up, Bot::Basic is one slow setup ;) |
| 02:22.50 | Entitlement | buZz - [ N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - YouTube ] |
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| 02:22.57 | buZz | nwa \o/ |
| 02:23.09 | Criggie | thanks - I can ignore that and know I'm not missing anything |
| 02:23.37 | buZz | :) good, hth |
| 02:23.58 | Criggie | buZz: thanks dude - good work |
| 02:24.02 | Criggie | s/good/great/ |
| 02:24.13 | Criggie | awwsw the bot doesn't do corrections |
| 02:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, I blocked that |
| 02:34.02 | buZz | i can just postrender it mentally, works fine |
| 02:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a general note, bots are not that much appreciated by some of the key people in here, and so they should mostly stay silent. A general URL -> title expansion is of questionable use since you're not supposed to spam URLs unsolicited without sufficient context anyway |
| 02:36.27 | xrogaan | info could be on-demand |
| 02:36.59 | xrogaan | post an url with a .t preceding it. `.t example.org' |
| 02:37.02 | buZz | hmhm, yeah this bot is true autosniff, some bots have trigger for it, maybe that would fly better here |
| 02:37.08 | furrywolf | imho, we don't need any kind of bot in here that doesn't serve some explicit purpose and that only talks when called upon to do that purpose. |
| 02:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong about a "bot: title <URL>" command |
| 02:37.21 | xrogaan | And the bot will dutifully fetch the title. |
| 02:37.26 | furrywolf | what makes you think this channel needs this bot? |
| 02:37.41 | buZz | lol k k, removed it is ;) |
| 02:38.24 | xrogaan | well, I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me. |
| 02:39.06 | furrywolf | I find that youtube links lacking sufficient context to determine their usefulness, are never useful. |
| 02:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 02:40.59 | buZz | xrogaan: if you wanna build a trigger into it ; https://hastebin.com/iguwetoyuc.pl |
| 02:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | spamming an unrelated YT URL just to say something is rather begging for a ban than any useful |
| 02:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't matter if it's >><holla> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<< or >><holla> .t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<< |
| 02:43.22 | buZz | oh yeah, dno, i'm not that hating on NWA , its a cool song and they stood up for user-liberties aswell, just in their own place and time |
| 02:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | err that's a topic now? |
| 02:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't even make a meaningful context out of it |
| 02:44.39 | buZz | and seeing how it spurred the interaction of 5 people since, it does seem to be a crowd builder :P |
| 02:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's trolling |
| 02:45.07 | buZz | oh ok |
| 02:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's a viable approach to team building in arbitrary IRC chanels to spam a random YT URL and then starts the always same discussion if that's a good or bad thing to do and whether to expand the URL to title by a bot or not |
| 02:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I missed an existing comtext this URL been posted in, then I beg your pardon |
| 02:49.06 | buZz | no, there was no context |
| 02:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it was unsolicited and OT |
| 02:49.43 | buZz | all chat is unsollicitated |
| 02:50.00 | buZz | we arent selling a product here :P |
| 02:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, chat on devuan at large is highly solicited in here |
| 02:51.29 | furrywolf | chat on anything else will make golinux whack you with a newspaper. |
| 02:51.37 | buZz | lol |
| 02:51.45 | xrogaan | compton is the 3D window thing |
| 02:51.52 | buZz | i'll delete a wallpaper! |
| 02:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: ((I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me.)) I bet you can find a plugin for your IRC client doing that for you |
| 02:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on >>for you<< |
| 02:54.36 | xrogaan | good point |
| 03:06.10 | golinux | furrywolf: LOL! |
| 03:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally noticed the missing context: compton |
| 03:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, with a title expansion it would even qualify as a witty reply in context |
| 03:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't support general URL expansion though - OP could as well have provided the context in manually written remark to the URL |
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| 13:32.55 | xrogaan | anybody knows where I can find the debug symbols for the Xorg server? |
| 13:33.05 | xrogaan | there is no xserver-xorg-core-dbg |
| 13:33.39 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: it comes from debian |
| 13:33.45 | xrogaan | I know |
| 13:34.00 | KatolaZ | and since stretch dbg packages are separate from the main repo |
| 13:34.26 | xrogaan | I have dbg symbols package for the drivers, but not for the core server |
| 13:35.00 | xrogaan | Do I need ascii-debug or something? |
| 13:35.26 | KatolaZ | dunno then |
| 13:35.55 | xrogaan | yeah, debian package thing do not show a dbg one for stretch at all. |
| 13:36.07 | xrogaan | one for jessie, one for sid, none for stretch. |
| 13:36.56 | KatolaZ | yeah, I know they have been stripped from the main repo anyway |
| 13:37.11 | KatolaZ | but I don't remember where they put them |
| 13:37.12 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 13:38.31 | xrogaan | debian-debug with everything. |
| 13:39.09 | xrogaan | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#debug-archive |
| 13:39.33 | xrogaan | is there something similar for devuan? |
| 13:40.14 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: devuan includes dbg symbols in the repo |
| 13:40.21 | KatolaZ | (for packages built by devuan) |
| 13:40.47 | xrogaan | I know, I specifically need xserver-xorg-core-dbg |
| 13:40.59 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: it comes from debian |
| 13:41.03 | KatolaZ | it's not forked by devuan |
| 13:41.23 | KatolaZ | so you'll find the symbols in the debian-debug archive |
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| 13:44.01 | xrogaan | sorry, the link I posted do not refer to an archive per say but a separate repository called "debian-debug" |
| 13:44.08 | xrogaan | that's what they called it. |
| 13:44.17 | KatolaZ | yes xrogaan |
| 13:44.21 | KatolaZ | just use any debian mirror |
| 13:44.24 | KatolaZ | in that section |
| 13:44.30 | KatolaZ | you'll find the dbg packages |
| 13:45.02 | KatolaZ | (I guess) |
| 13:46.39 | gnarface | E: Repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan' |
| 13:46.40 | gnarface | N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details. |
| 13:46.45 | gnarface | ? |
| 13:49.05 | gnarface | should it be doing that? |
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| 13:51.10 | KatolaZ | gnarface: yes |
| 13:51.17 | KatolaZ | we added the missing Origin yesterdsy |
| 13:51.20 | KatolaZ | yesterday |
| 13:51.27 | KatolaZ | please see message on DNG |
| 13:51.37 | KatolaZ | (I guess it's mentioned on dev1galaxy as well) |
| 13:51.51 | KatolaZ | this solves several issues with lsb_release |
| 13:52.12 | KatolaZ | gnarface: ^^^ |
| 13:52.25 | gnarface | ok |
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| 13:57.21 | xrogaan | so I have to add the debian debug repository then? Devuan does not mirror it? |
| 13:59.22 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: nope |
| 13:59.39 | KatolaZ | devuan does not mirror it |
| 13:59.50 | xrogaan | ascii is stretch, right? |
| 13:59.52 | KatolaZ | and eve if it did, you'd anyway get the packages straight from debian... |
| 13:59.57 | KatolaZ | ascii is ascii |
| 14:00.01 | KatolaZ | ascii merges stretch |
| 14:00.16 | xrogaan | You confuse me. |
| 14:00.52 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: what is confusing? |
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| 14:01.48 | xrogaan | should I add `deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main' in my apt.source to get the dbg symbols of xorg or not? |
| 14:02.26 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: if you like |
| 14:02.46 | xrogaan | so stretch is for ascii? |
| 14:02.50 | KatolaZ | there is nothing that suggests that you "should" |
| 14:03.07 | KatolaZ | Devuan ascii merges Debian Stretch |
| 14:03.17 | KatolaZ | meaning that it is based on the packages in Debian stretch |
| 14:04.31 | xrogaan | you basically tell me "maybe yes, maybe not." :P |
| 14:06.47 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: ? |
| 14:07.04 | KatolaZ | you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else |
| 14:07.23 | KatolaZ | I don't see what is confusing in this point |
| 14:07.26 | xrogaan | That's not the question here. |
| 14:08.09 | xrogaan | Nor is the status of devuan and debian. I need debug symbol, are they available through devuan? If not, can I use the debian repository? What would you do? |
| 14:08.22 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: I already answered that question |
| 14:08.32 | KatolaZ | devuan provides -dbg packages only for packages built by devuan |
| 14:08.42 | KatolaZ | and they are kept in the standard devuan repos |
| 14:08.59 | xrogaan | What about packages that are not built by devuan? |
| 14:09.01 | KatolaZ | if you need other -dbg packages you should get them directly from debian |
| 14:09.35 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: ^^^ |
| 14:10.07 | xrogaan | what if the debian thing override dbg packages provided by devuan? |
| 14:11.15 | xrogaan | shouldn't happen I believe. |
| 14:15.04 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: it might happen for packages that are forked by Devuan |
| 14:15.08 | KatolaZ | you might pin those |
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| 14:15.30 | KatolaZ | but since those are just debug symbols, you should be safe |
| 14:17.14 | igor80 | hi sorry to bother you with this but |
| 14:17.23 | igor80 | it appears from time to time that |
| 14:17.35 | igor80 | devuanised package got security updates |
| 14:17.46 | igor80 | then there is a lag |
| 14:17.58 | igor80 | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/util-linux/issues/29 |
| 14:18.16 | igor80 | solved and closed by KatolaZ |
| 14:18.29 | igor80 | however |
| 14:18.31 | igor80 | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/procps/issues/5 |
| 14:18.39 | igor80 | still opened |
| 14:19.39 | igor80 | is devuan aware of this corner trouble |
| 14:19.41 | igor80 | ? |
| 14:21.56 | KatolaZ | igor80: bugs should be filed to bugs.devuan.org |
| 14:22.09 | KatolaZ | it's easier to keep track of them |
| 14:22.27 | igor80 | ack |
| 14:22.40 | KatolaZ | (thanks for reporting though) |
| 14:22.46 | KatolaZ | (that might have slipped) |
| 14:25.47 | igor80 | thanks and let be ascii out |
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| 14:29.28 | KatolaZ | igor80: hope so :) |
| 14:44.58 | Juesto | is it known when the next openrc update will be pulled in? |
| 14:45.24 | Juesto | or rather, which version is it going to be updated to |
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