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03:38.11 | vvande | I just spent 10 minutes googling for which init systems are available on Devuan. |
03:38.22 | vvande | that info doesn't seem to be generally available |
03:38.41 | vvande | but I do remember seeing that there were two choices out of the box in Ascii. |
03:38.54 | vvande | can someone tell me what those are please? |
03:48.17 | gnarface | i think openrc is the other one |
03:48.28 | gnarface | default is traditional sysvinit as from wheezy |
03:52.16 | Xenguy | Confirmed |
03:53.44 | vvande | Thanks guys! |
03:54.01 | vvande | I was just trying to sell Devuan to another Linux user. :) |
03:54.10 | gnarface | i'm not sure it's true there's only those two though |
03:54.27 | Xenguy | FWIW, I asked about OpenRC, and a person I trust said 'it works fine' |
03:54.30 | vvande | me neither, but I have read that there were two out of the box to start with. |
03:54.47 | Xenguy | OpenRC is offered in the expert mode of the install I believe |
03:54.56 | vvande | ok |
03:55.11 | gnarface | it should have everything debian has minus systemd |
03:55.50 | vvande | ok, makes sense |
03:56.13 | gnarface | a couple things that depend on systemd in debian couldn't be fixed |
03:56.28 | vvande | I'm not surprised. :) |
03:56.40 | blinkdog | You can get OpenRC if you select expert |
03:56.52 | vvande | thanks blinkdog |
03:57.34 | blinkdog | Some details on ASCII RC in the release announcement: https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-rc-announce-050918 |
03:59.34 | vvande | great blinkdog, I think that's what I had read a while ago. And that mentions only SysVinit and OpenRC. |
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04:20.26 | xrogaan | with the update to vlc, libgles1-mesa is removed and libva-wayland1 is installed. Is that right? |
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15:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody please check a "apt-cache search extundelete" on devuan for me? no system around right now |
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15:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, should work, no? |
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15:18.58 | rrq | yes |
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15:23.00 | rrq | both jessie/main and ascii/main |
15:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
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16:41.01 | opv | hey guys, quick question: does the minimal-live iso include an installer? |
16:43.49 | golinux | Yes. The refractainstaller |
16:45.19 | opv | thank you kind sir |
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17:10.01 | KatolaZ | opv: hold on |
17:10.17 | KatolaZ | you need to install grub-pc first |
17:10.19 | KatolaZ | so |
17:10.25 | KatolaZ | boot the minimal-live |
17:10.31 | KatolaZ | install gtub-pc |
17:10.36 | KatolaZ | and then run refractainstaller |
17:10.54 | KatolaZ | unfortunately the package is missing in the current images |
17:11.08 | KatolaZ | we're fixing it |
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17:29.59 | opv | yeah, I've got it... but grub doesn't install |
17:30.13 | opv | error: failed to get canonical path of 'overlay' |
17:30.50 | opv | i've booted into a live system, mounted boot on /mnt/boot and the rootfs on /mnt/rootfs |
17:31.05 | opv | boot is ext2, root is luks ext4 |
17:31.24 | opv | but i'm pretty much lost at this point, no idea why grub doesn't want |
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17:35.24 | opv | so uhm... help is greatly appreciated |
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17:59.11 | KatolaZ | opv: have you finished the installation? |
18:02.31 | opv | KatolaZ: yes. at the end of the installation, grub errored out. i rebooted and am back in the live shell now |
18:03.03 | KatolaZ | opv: do you have internet connection? |
18:03.06 | opv | yes |
18:03.28 | KatolaZ | ok, then you need to install grub-pc on the live system |
18:03.37 | opv | already done |
18:03.52 | KatolaZ | ok |
18:03.59 | KatolaZ | now launch refractainstaller |
18:04.07 | opv | even though the system is already installed? |
18:04.14 | KatolaZ | it will install on top of it |
18:04.19 | KatolaZ | it's the easiest |
18:04.32 | KatolaZ | otherwie you have to install grub in the installed system |
18:04.37 | KatolaZ | (after you have chrooted into it) |
18:07.31 | opv | working... |
18:09.51 | KatolaZ | opv: you or refractainstaller? |
18:11.18 | opv | KatolaZ: both :) |
18:11.27 | opv | i've rebooted as to have a clean slate. upon installing grub-pc, the grub-install already errored out |
18:11.31 | opv | is this supposed to be normal? |
18:11.35 | KatolaZ | nope |
18:11.36 | KatolaZ | :D |
18:11.36 | opv | could not write to /dev/sda |
18:11.40 | opv | thought so... |
18:11.47 | KatolaZ | opv: is your system uefi? |
18:11.52 | opv | i think so |
18:11.56 | KatolaZ | oh |
18:12.11 | opv | i'm like 95% sure, lost the bios pw unfortunately |
18:12.23 | KatolaZ | opv: I'll be honest with you: minimal-live is not meant as a standard installation |
18:12.46 | opv | i understand. how can we proceed? |
18:13.06 | KatolaZ | you could try installing (in the live) grub-efi-amd64 |
18:13.16 | KatolaZ | or simply grub-efi |
18:13.27 | KatolaZ | fsmithred could probably help on that |
18:13.30 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: ^^^^^^ |
18:13.57 | opv | installed, tried to grub-install, same error |
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18:14.09 | opv | "failed to get canonical path of: 'overlay'" |
18:14.15 | KatolaZ | uh? |
18:14.27 | KatolaZ | I guess it's better to ask fsmithred then |
18:14.37 | KatolaZ | he can help more with refractainstaller |
18:14.44 | opv | i don't think the issue is with refracta |
18:14.53 | opv | the grub process seems pretty separate from that |
18:14.55 | KatolaZ | it might be with refractainstaller |
18:15.06 | KatolaZ | 20:15 < opv> "failed to get canonical path of: 'overlay'" |
18:15.13 | KatolaZ | ^^^ |
18:15.28 | opv | i googled the error, but what i found amounted to "make sure your boot and root are mounted" |
18:16.12 | opv | there are a couple of mounts with that string, but i'm not sure what to make of them |
18:18.18 | opv | whelp... gonna try and bruteforce the bios pw while we're waiting |
18:19.19 | KatolaZ | opv: you could try to install grub diretly in the installed system |
18:19.22 | KatolaZ | just chroot into it |
18:19.27 | KatolaZ | (from the live) |
18:19.39 | KatolaZ | install the package |
18:20.13 | KatolaZ | and then run "grub-install /dev/sda" (or whatever you want it to be) |
18:20.23 | opv | working... |
18:23.11 | opv | do you know how to mount /dev inside the chroot? grub-install seems to need it |
18:24.34 | opv | nvm. lookie there, a different error |
18:24.45 | opv | isn't progress wonderful |
18:25.26 | opv | gpt part label contains no bios boot part, embedding not possible |
18:25.47 | KatolaZ | opv: I guess it's best to use netinst |
18:25.51 | KatolaZ | the netinst image |
18:26.00 | opv | aye, i will do so |
18:26.08 | KatolaZ | if you choose "Console productivity" you'll get more or less the same system you have in minimal-live |
18:26.11 | opv | thank you bery much for your kind support |
18:26.15 | KatolaZ | with the same set of packages |
18:26.20 | KatolaZ | sorry for that |
18:26.21 | KatolaZ | :( |
18:26.40 | KatolaZ | I have not tested installation from minimal-live too extensively |
18:26.40 | KatolaZ | :( |
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18:32.48 | opv | it's ok, i'm not mad |
18:32.53 | opv | rc's are expected to have bugs |
18:32.58 | opv | though that is really unfortunate |
18:33.26 | opv | maybe the installing process could have been tested more extensively before releasing |
18:33.40 | opv | but i don't want to shit in your bed, you guys are literally doing god's work |
18:33.49 | opv | you know, death to sysd and such |
18:34.03 | opv | doing the netinstall now |
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18:52.23 | fsmithred | opv, I'm here for a few minutes |
18:52.39 | fsmithred | if you're using gpt with bios, you need to create a special small partition for grub |
18:53.16 | fsmithred | must be at least 1MB, unformatted, with flag 'bios_grub' (in gparted) or ef02 (in gdisk) |
18:53.42 | fsmithred | install grub-pc in the live session, but do not let it install the bootloader at that time. |
18:53.59 | fsmithred | then run refractainstaller and it will install the bootloader where you tell it to. |
18:55.03 | fsmithred | if you use netinstall iso instead, and you select manual partitioning, you'll still need to create that bios_grub partition yourself. |
18:55.26 | fsmithred | if you choose one of the automatic partitioning options, I don't know what it will do. Never tried that. |
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19:04.58 | god_ | How's everybody doing |
19:08.56 | buZz | adequate |
19:08.57 | buZz | ty |
19:10.26 | golinux | god_: Hello there. Nice that you made it here. |
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19:24.07 | fsmithred | opv, I have to go out again. If you have questions, feel free to email me: fsmithred at gmail.com |
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20:08.07 | opv | fsmithred: thank you for your kind assistance |
20:08.19 | opv | netinstall also failed at grub-install |
20:08.59 | opv | and it seems that my ssd has some bad cells, i had to shrink a partition and leave some free space for even the partitioning to complete |
20:09.46 | opv | i've managed to clear the bios pw, so i can take care of the uefi settings and try again |
20:10.02 | opv | would you recommend bios or uefi install? |
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20:55.07 | fsmithred | opv, are you still here? |
20:56.23 | fsmithred | I don't know if bios or uefi would be better. That might depend on what the motherboard manufacturer did with (or to) the bios/uefi. |
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21:07.35 | muep | I would always do an uefi installation unless I know there is a problem with it |
21:11.00 | MinceR | i do "legacy" if i can |
21:13.45 | muep | it is just an extra layer between the bootloader and the HW |
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21:14.59 | MinceR | at least it pretends to be less cancerous |
21:15.02 | muep | or course sometimes it may contain some workarounds to counter quirks in the firmware so it may help if EFI installation is problematic on some particular hardware |
21:15.21 | MinceR | also, no need to waste space on an extra FAT partition |
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22:48.03 | opv | fsmithred: i'll check back tomorrow |
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