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| 04:23.45 | furrywolf | article on the register today, about the disappearance of void linux... "At this point, if you don't want to use systemd, your options are seriously limited (Devuan, Gentoo, and perhaps some other small ones like Void).". apparantly we're the first thing that comes to mind for systemd-free linuxes. :) |
| 04:27.46 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
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| 04:59.07 | Criggie | furrywolf: not a bad thing. |
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| 07:24.22 | hgunth_ | furrywolf: Probably because Devuan defines itself solely over its anti-systemd position. |
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| 07:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
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| 07:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's actually no anti-systemd position in devuan. See -> init freedom |
| 07:50.27 | hgunth_ | lol, that's a funny claim if you read what people say about systemd here. |
| 07:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually systemd would be an option for init system in devuan, if only systemd wouldn't introduce incompatible dependencies in basically all it does |
| 07:51.14 | hgunth_ | But then with Devuan now using systemd-logind and libsystemd0 it's really no longer different from Debian proper. |
| 07:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? |
| 07:52.19 | hgunth_ | Packages just depend on elogind and its pam module for the logind program instead of using the one from the systemd package, which doesn't require any specific init. |
| 07:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hgunth_: U can't make any sense of what you're saying |
| 07:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* |
| 07:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | U obviously neither |
| 07:54.27 | hgunth_ | DocScrutinizer05: Try thinking about it a bit then? |
| 07:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not worth it |
| 07:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Devuan now using systemd-logind and libsystemd0<< is clearly FUD |
| 07:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, did you already stop beating your wife? |
| 07:55.17 | hgunth_ | There's no "init freedom" difference between elogind or systemd-shim. |
| 07:56.33 | hgunth_ | But I guess it's good enough for some that elogind is no longer called systemd-logind. The same in a different packaging that avoids the unpopular name. |
| 07:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>that's a funny claim if you read what people say about systemd<< -- people like you maybe |
| 07:57.04 | hgunth_ | DocScrutinizer05: Try installing ssh without libsystemd0 then? |
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| 08:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you have anything constructive to contribute too? |
| 08:02.59 | attos | Just installed devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_i386 on my old laptop (E Series Lifebook). All went well. But when booting there is a delay when configuring the network interface saying: "configuring network interfaces ... ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0". After one or two minutes of waiting the bootprocess went on. |
| 08:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, feels like a deja-vu |
| 08:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | which init system? |
| 08:07.13 | attos | sysinit |
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| 08:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | attos: wait for one of the devels dropping by |
| 08:20.15 | attos | Yep |
| 08:21.11 | KatolaZ | hgunth_: the difference is in not having an entangled system that has swollen all the low-level userland |
| 08:21.20 | KatolaZ | I understand it might be difficult to get the point |
| 08:21.37 | KatolaZ | and about libsystemd, we are already working at it :) |
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| 08:27.41 | hgunth_ | KatolaZ: If you are working at it why does ascii have dependencies on libsystemd0 that were previously patched out? |
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| 08:38.35 | KatolaZ | hgunth_: forget it |
| 08:38.38 | KatolaZ | come back to Debian |
| 08:38.41 | KatolaZ | and live happy :) |
| 08:38.49 | KatolaZ | leave us to our mental masturbation |
| 08:38.52 | KatolaZ | we like it that way |
| 08:38.53 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 08:39.54 | KatolaZ | Jjp137: you here? |
| 08:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: can you help attos? |
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| 09:26.43 | attos | I have found a workaround. I just disabled eth0 in "/etc/default/networking" by setting "EXCLUDE_INTERFACES=eth0". |
| 09:27.29 | attos | Now my bootprocess starts up like hell :) |
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| 09:33.56 | attos | If I now plugin my ethernet cable the eth0 interface shows up bu wicd, where I can press connect to bring up eth0 by getting an IP address through dhcp. |
| 09:34.14 | KatolaZ | attos: you'd probably want to have "allow-hotplug eth0" instead than "auto eth0" |
| 09:34.42 | KatolaZ | (in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 09:37.35 | attos | my current settings for eth0 are already as you stated: |
| 09:37.41 | attos | # The primary network interface |
| 09:37.43 | attos | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 09:37.45 | attos | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:38.38 | attos | But as I said, with "EXCLUDE_INTERFACES=eth0" all went well. |
| 09:38.59 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 09:43.11 | attos | I'm really very happy with devuan 2.0 on my i386 laptop :) Thanks to the Devuan team for that great distro. |
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| 10:14.48 | KatolaZ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/16/contributing_to_keep_small_linux_alive/ |
| 10:15.01 | KatolaZ | very interesting piece on the importance of contributing to your distro |
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| 14:46.56 | obeardly | Does anyone have npm and/or node install on their ascii systems? |
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| 15:38.08 | parazyd | obeardly: Works fine if you use the nopejs.org repos. |
| 15:38.44 | obeardly | parazyd: Thanks! I've been having the hardest time getting my npm to init. |
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| 15:39.51 | parazyd | obeardly: deb https://deb.nodesource.com/node_8.x stretch main |
| 15:40.27 | parazyd | (Replace '8' with whatever version you want/need.) |
| 15:40.53 | obeardly | That's what I'm using. |
| 15:41.37 | parazyd | Works for meâ¢. I just had to apt-get install nodejs. |
| 15:41.51 | obeardly | :-P |
| 15:42.10 | parazyd | Any errors you're getting? |
| 15:43.05 | obeardly | npm WARN mwhite@1.0.0 No description |
| 15:43.05 | obeardly | npm WARN mwhite@1.0.0 No repository field |
| 15:43.43 | parazyd | Ah well, that's a general nodejs thing, unspecific to Devuan. |
| 15:43.51 | obeardly | Cool, thanks. |
| 15:44.01 | parazyd | You're welcome. |
| 15:44.16 | obeardly | I know absolute shit about node, npm, or anything else in that realm. |
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| 15:45.42 | parazyd | You're not alone :D |
| 15:46.15 | parazyd | What you pasted is some other issue. Caused by whatever you're trying to build. |
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| 15:56.26 | obeardly | Thanks! |
| 15:56.31 | obeardly | elasticsearch stuff. |
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| 16:51.29 | opv | hi all, i have a question about the cd images. where can i get the non-free firmware for things like wifi chipset? |
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| 16:53.55 | KatolaZ | opv: they are there already |
| 16:53.59 | KatolaZ | in all install media |
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| 16:58.04 | opv | KatolaZ: awesomest! |
| 16:58.06 | opv | thank you |
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| 18:00.49 | blinkdog | obeardly: I dabble a bit in node / npm; let me know if you have any questions |
| 18:01.01 | obeardly | Thanks! |
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| 21:00.58 | icebreaker | hey guys |
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| 21:03.40 | icebreaker | im trying to make a refracta-snapshot but there seems to be a 4gb limit... is there any way to overcome this or do i have to delete stuff? |
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