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| 00:04.10 | AlexLikeRock | crypto Disk : error at DOLPHIN KDE 4.14.2 |
| 00:04.11 | AlexLikeRock | An error occurred while accessing '204.1 GiB Encrypted Drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d0 |
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| 00:06.29 | Demosthenex | DocScrutinizer05: chfs -a freeze=60 /fs && chfs -a freeze=0 /fs = guaranteed flush to disk on aix. |
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| 00:23.41 | *** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! http://tinyurl.com/y9pta5vm || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 00:23.42 | gnarface | if they are a data center who primarily does business in the EU i would believe that they'd put a very low priority on international traffic |
| 00:24.47 | gnarface | i'm not ruling out my own ISP or many points in between yet, but usually when it's my own ISP there is uniform disruption of traffic throughput, and when it's "some point inbetween" there's usually public outcry that makes the news or at least slashdot |
| 00:25.32 | koollman | gnarface: traceroute or a similar tool may help |
| 00:28.13 | koollman | well. I would say isp problem :) |
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| 00:31.13 | gnarface | lol whatever that was just fixed it |
| 00:31.15 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 01:15.28 | Demosthenex | ok so i've switched to boot from ssd and discovered that my latest kernel lacks the zfs mods? |
| 01:15.36 | Demosthenex | the prior two have them |
| 01:16.19 | gnarface | certainly you put them there yourself.... |
| 01:16.27 | Demosthenex | no, its dkms managed |
| 01:16.31 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 01:22.34 | Demosthenex | gnarface: looks like there were unmet dependencies on linux headers for this rev, that caused it |
| 01:22.59 | gnarface | ah, so dkms didn't run right or something? |
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| 01:38.48 | Demosthenex | it didn't run because the kernel headers aren't there |
| 01:39.02 | Demosthenex | so the question becomes why the the automated update continue if those weren't available |
| 01:40.25 | gnarface | seems like a valid question |
| 01:40.34 | gnarface | probably something to do with how dkms is called |
| 01:40.43 | gnarface | maybe it's expected to not always work or something |
| 01:41.50 | gnarface | i would assume it would at least show some complaint about it in the log though |
| 01:42.06 | gnarface | er, in stderr anyway |
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| 01:42.14 | lyr3 | hey guys |
| 01:42.27 | lyr3 | How I properly dist-upgrade Devuan to Unstable repos? |
| 01:42.47 | lyr3 | An Debian Unstable free repo |
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| 01:44.58 | gnarface | lyr3: you're already on debian sid? |
| 01:46.26 | lyr3 | yep |
| 01:46.54 | gnarface | just change the sources.list file and run `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 01:47.06 | gnarface | the process isn't any different from doing the same thing in debian |
| 01:47.11 | gnarface | just the sources.list is different |
| 01:47.20 | lyr3 | I mean what is the repo address |
| 01:47.26 | lyr3 | sid repo address |
| 01:47.32 | lyr3 | if you will |
| 01:47.46 | gnarface | well, it's called ceres, not sid. try these: |
| 01:47.49 | gnarface | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres main |
| 01:47.49 | gnarface | deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres main |
| 01:48.23 | lyr3 | ceres == unstable? |
| 01:48.28 | gnarface | yes |
| 01:48.40 | lyr3 | FRENCH...I like french fries |
| 01:48.41 | lyr3 | hahahaa |
| 01:50.26 | lyr3 | yep, not funny! meh |
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| 01:54.10 | lyr3 | Thanks anyway. Installing it now! Adieu Debian |
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| 02:43.10 | gnarface | still can't even figure out the punchline |
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| 04:02.14 | Guest77045 | Hi, i just did a dist-upgrade and the autoremoved and broke enlightenment (e17). It crashed when it removed elogind. Had to restart the system and now when i start enlightenment, neither my mouse and keyboard work. |
| 04:03.07 | gnarface | Guest77045: how'd you get enlightenment back in? |
| 04:03.17 | Guest77045 | startx |
| 04:03.25 | Guest77045 | with enlightenment_start |
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| 04:03.28 | gnarface | i thought you said it autoremoved it though? |
| 04:03.46 | gnarface | you sure it's even still there? |
| 04:04.34 | gnarface | it seemed to me like they pulled it from the repo a long time ago, actually |
| 04:06.01 | Guest77045 | sorry. i meant that i upgraded and then auto removed, and one of the packages removed was elogind, which after being removed instantly crashed my e17 |
| 04:06.24 | Guest77045 | i can still see e17 if i do an apt search e17 |
| 04:07.17 | gnarface | i think there's some alternate package you can install in place of elogind |
| 04:07.28 | gnarface | you shouldn't need it unless you're using some graphical login manager i think though |
| 04:07.47 | gnarface | if you're just running startx, you shouldn't need policykit or consolekit, either |
| 04:08.23 | Guest77045 | yes. indeed. i too was confused that it was installed. i login through linux console |
| 04:08.50 | Guest77045 | btw my keyboard works just fine in console |
| 04:08.52 | gnarface | you're upgrading to ascii? |
| 04:08.57 | Guest77045 | yes |
| 04:09.04 | Guest77045 | i mean i already was |
| 04:09.05 | gnarface | this is a known issue |
| 04:09.12 | Guest77045 | oh i see |
| 04:09.27 | gnarface | everyone runs into it in some order or another |
| 04:09.35 | Guest77045 | is it a problem with e17 or a dependency? |
| 04:09.35 | gnarface | there's a simple fix |
| 04:09.46 | gnarface | it's a problem with policykit actually i think |
| 04:10.00 | gnarface | it's got nothing to do with e17 but complicating your issue might be the deprecation of e17 |
| 04:10.10 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:10.14 | gnarface | i think e17 is still in ascii though |
| 04:10.32 | Guest77045 | i am not too attached to e17 so i don't care if i have to change to another de |
| 04:10.40 | gnarface | it's been removed from ceres/unstable several times over the past few years. someone always puts it back eventually. |
| 04:10.55 | gnarface | around here i think xfce is the darling |
| 04:11.01 | gnarface | i still use e17 though myself |
| 04:11.26 | Guest77045 | so what is the simple fix? |
| 04:12.17 | gnarface | it hink you pick the non-default choice of two conflicting *polkit* packages or else you just purge the lot |
| 04:12.54 | gnarface | i'm sorry, trying to dig up the relevant package name but not having luck |
| 04:13.12 | gnarface | does it show any held packages for you? |
| 04:13.20 | gnarface | as i recall, it might be one of the held packages |
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| 04:18.12 | Guest77045 | mmm. if i remember i had a conflict |
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| 04:18.57 | gnarface | Guest77045: there was also a tangled up mess around the udev->eudev upgrade that may or may not have been related. you'll wanna check to make sure you pushed that through too. |
| 04:19.22 | gnarface | sorry i'm gonna disappear any second now |
| 04:19.24 | Guest77045 | oh yeah. i think that was fixed |
| 04:19.32 | Guest77045 | np |
| 04:19.33 | gnarface | i'm currently having an unrelated struggle with stupid nvidia drivers |
| 04:19.41 | gnarface | xorg is freezing up on me as we speak |
| 04:19.42 | gnarface | argh |
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| 04:21.03 | Guest77045 | i think i will use another DE until elightenment dependencies are properly fixed if ever |
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| 06:26.55 | Diagon | Someone tell me what the default kernel version is in Jessie? I'm signing up for the email list, and it wants to know! :) |
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| 06:29.23 | Diagon | Is this it, 3.16? linux-image-amd64_3.16+63_amd64.deb |
| 06:29.35 | NewGnuGuy | try it and see |
| 06:29.44 | telst4r | Diagon, Linux <scrubbed> 3.16.0-4-586 #1 Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:30.43 | Diagon | Yes! Thanks, telst4r |
| 06:30.45 | telst4r | yes, I'm on a pentium M non-pae. |
| 06:32.57 | Artemis3 | the pentium m might actually be pae, it just reports non pae but can be forced, won't matter if you are under 2gb anyway. |
| 06:33.43 | Artemis3 | i know mine is. a 900mhz part |
| 06:34.10 | Artemis3 | its just some grub option |
| 06:34.30 | Artemis3 | normal i686 pae kernel works fine with it |
| 06:34.50 | telst4r | Artemis, yes I know it's forcible, but I haven't looked into it. Mine's 1500GHz. |
| 06:35.06 | Artemis3 | so probable newer than mine lol |
| 06:35.15 | telst4r | Did I win? |
| 06:36.48 | Artemis3 | "A number of older Pentium M processors produced around 2003-4 (the Banias family) do not display the PAE flag, and hence a normal installation fails. However, these processors are in fact able to run the latest (and PAE-demanding) kernels" |
| 06:38.59 | Artemis3 | grub line is "forcepae" |
| 06:40.26 | Artemis3 | if you boot the live iso and get the pae error, try again adding the forcepae opetion to grub |
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| 06:40.57 | Artemis3 | or with the i686 kernel |
| 06:41.36 | telst4r | so that should go into GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub .. or grub.d/10_linux.. |
| 06:42.01 | telst4r | s/or/and/ ? |
| 06:42.18 | Artemis3 | try first without touching the config, just edit the line at boot |
| 06:42.49 | Artemis3 | add forcepae at the end, when booting the i686 kernel, if everything works edit the config in /etc/default |
| 06:44.15 | telst4r | Yeah, will do next time I bother to reboot. |
| 06:44.44 | telst4r | gnu/linux has taught me not to reboot every time when I move the mouse. |
| 06:45.23 | Artemis3 | unless you touch the init config, then you need to test it before an unplanned reboot occurs... |
| 06:45.36 | Artemis3 | which is why its best to test it first |
| 06:46.51 | telst4r | Sure. I'm just thinking two steps ahead. Just in case it might work straight away :d |
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| 06:47.42 | Artemis3 | should work imo |
| 06:47.45 | telst4r | actually. I'm gonna do it right away |
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| 06:57.08 | telst4r | Artemis3: "[ 0.025887] PAE forced!" seems to be running on the 586 kernel. I'm fetching a i686 kern to try further |
| 06:59.09 | Artemis3 | hmm didn't know it worked with 586 |
| 07:00.53 | telst4r | heh, I don't know wether it actually does anything on the 586 kernel :P |
| 07:05.21 | Artemis3 | well pae exists from ppro so it makes sense i guess |
| 07:06.12 | Artemis3 | but the i686 kernel should provide sse stuff |
| 07:08.00 | telst4r | is that a goodie? |
| 07:08.26 | Artemis3 | yes |
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| 07:08.47 | telst4r | I'll look it up |
| 07:08.56 | Artemis3 | sse2 probably |
| 07:15.26 | telst4r | streaming single input, multiple data extension (2).. as I get it, it deals more efficiently with floating points (than MMX) [wikipedia] |
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| 07:15.44 | Artemis3 | yes that |
| 07:22.57 | telst4r | sounds like more efficient use of cpu cycles and that precious energy. |
| 07:23.22 | telst4r | only for some pointless javascript on firefox to take it all :P |
| 07:27.05 | Artemis3 | block the scripts :) |
| 07:28.30 | telst4r | I miss the times of single task computing :D |
| 07:40.41 | Artemis3 | you can always use freedos |
| 07:42.43 | NewGnuGuy | FreeDOS is great :-) |
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| 07:46.01 | Artemis3 | Arachne is all you'll ever need, and no javascript either! |
| 07:46.24 | telst4r | telnet and ed, the standard editor. |
| 07:46.48 | Artemis3 | edit is there tho. |
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| 10:47.00 | JotaMG | Hi! |
| 10:47.01 | JotaMG | on a orangepi board with devuan ascii i'm getting a "Setting sysfs variables...." on console, instead of a login prompt. |
| 10:47.03 | JotaMG | any hint how to fix this?? |
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| 12:59.55 | luck44 | Hi. Does anyone have advice on mounting an iOS partition in devuan? Most info I found was for use with ifuse which is not in the devuan repos. |
| 13:01.42 | debdog | there is a package in Ascii |
| 13:02.30 | debdog | mayhap this can be installed on Jessie "Depends: fuse, libc6 (>= 2.4), libfuse2 (>= 2.8), libimobiledevice6 (>= 1.1.0), libplist3 (>= 1.11)" |
| 13:02.54 | debdog | or just compile it yourself: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse |
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| 13:08.03 | debdog | for compile I'd use "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/" just to be certain |
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| 13:10.51 | debdog | if the Ascii's package is too new for Jessie regarding dependencies, maybe the one from Wheezy works https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ifuse |
| 13:11.13 | debdog | s/if the/if / |
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| 13:12.48 | lucky44 | Hi, sorry I asked the question about mounting iOS directories, then got stuck in a help menu. Thanks for the responses. |
| 13:13.03 | debdog | hehe |
| 13:13.35 | lucky44 | Using ircii on command line, couldn't find how to exit help. |
| 13:14.45 | lucky44 | What exactly is ascii referring to here? Is it a repo or package? |
| 13:16.01 | debdog | Devuan Ascii. the upcoming stable release |
| 13:16.54 | lucky44 | Ah, thank you. |
| 13:17.08 | lucky44 | I wasn't sure how the character set would help me. |
| 13:17.14 | debdog | hehe |
| 13:17.25 | lucky44 | one of those days, huh? |
| 13:17.59 | lucky44 | Is it possible to use fuse instead of ifuse? |
| 13:18.57 | lucky44 | I looked at installing ifuse, and thought the dependancies might make for a bit of a journey. |
| 13:22.26 | lucky44 | Have others had issues upgrading to Ascii so far? |
| 13:23.11 | Demosthenex | hrm, anyone know where i can get the init scripts for devuan's zfs? |
| 13:27.58 | debdog | lucky44: I don't have access to an iOS device so I can't talk from experience. seems ifuse depends on fuse and fuse without ifuse isn't able to mount them |
| 13:29.09 | debdog | lucky44: yes, upgrading can cause issues (even when updating to a stable version) |
| 13:33.17 | lucky44 | OK. Thanks again for the help. |
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| 19:26.01 | darkworld | Yo, I'm a bit late, but I saw you guys' RC for Devuan 2 and I'm really proud of yalls. I'm a Slackware user that probably won't change any time soon, but you guys are fighting the good fight, and I appreciate it. |
| 19:27.06 | NewGnuGuy | darkworld: thanks :-) |
| 19:28.04 | darkworld | oh btw it says it includes KDE, I don't use KDE but I know people that do. Does it use KDE4 or 5? |
| 19:28.32 | darkworld | The only reason I was ever hesitant to rec devuan to new people in GNU/Linux is that the kernel version was so old |
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| 19:29.55 | NewGnuGuy | darkworld: It uses whatever version of KDE is in the corresponding Debian release. |
| 19:30.36 | NewGnuGuy | darkworld: Newer kernel is available through backports |
| 19:31.44 | darkworld | I believe it |
| 19:31.59 | darkworld | I used to use debian years ago btw you guys are aight |
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| 19:36.17 | god | Thanks |
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| 19:49.36 | Artemis3 | darkworld, don't forget the others fighting the good cause: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_distributions_without_systemd |
| 19:53.20 | KatolaZ | darkworld: slackware is on the same boat so far, right? |
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| 20:01.59 | darkworld | KatolaZ yeah. Volkerding says he's avoiding SystemD unless it becomes absolutely manditory |
| 20:02.42 | darkworld | RedHat's dirty money gets pretty far in the FOSS world, and more things are becoming dependent on it. |
| 20:02.53 | KatolaZ | darkworld: the only way to avoid that it becomes mandatory is to offer alternatives |
| 20:02.57 | KatolaZ | and as many as possible |
| 20:02.59 | darkworld | ^ |
| 20:03.30 | darkworld | I like Slack and Devuan because they're the 2 big "normaL" distros |
| 20:03.53 | KatolaZ | I like any effort in the same direction |
| 20:03.56 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:04.14 | KatolaZ | I hope as many as possible would eventually survive |
| 20:04.18 | KatolaZ | bbl |
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