| 00:00.26 | golinux | <DocScrutinizer05> maybe time devuan gets its own (log)bot? |
| 00:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? not? yes? what? |
| 00:01.38 | golinux | That has been discussed at our meets. Easy to talk about. Not so easy to find someone who has the time to do it |
| 00:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 00:02.28 | golinux | Feel free to take it on. Read past meet notes to lnow what structure was being discussed |
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| 00:23.04 | *** topic/#devuan is Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! http://tinyurl.com/y9pta5vm || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ | Chanlogs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
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| 01:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think others already started on that |
| 02:03.12 | golinux_ | Talk but no action afaik |
| 02:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody implemented a bot and we had it in here |
| 02:04.05 | golinux_ | Just research and thinking (which is action without material results) |
| 02:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | forgot the nick. Back when we discussed it should move to devuan infra long term |
| 02:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 02:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | this was an actual bot which joined in here |
| 02:04.48 | golinux_ | rrq is logging on his home server. Not for general use. |
| 02:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody is loggiing on their own PC or server, for personal use |
| 02:05.51 | golinux_ | And not a complete log, Only started recently. A few of us have access if needed. |
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| 02:06.23 | golinux_ | I only log like 1500 lines. |
| 02:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | got unlimited logging |
| 02:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, tangential to the logbot topic |
| 02:07.37 | golinux | We need to have logs on our infra. |
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| 02:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | there exist a few bots for that: supybot, eggdrop, whatnot else. All of which can log and prolly all have a way to share logs via appache to HTML |
| 02:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need to invent the wheel again |
| 02:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ |
| 02:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/use/faq.html?highlight=channel%20log#how-can-i-make-my-supybot-log-my-irc-channel |
| 02:19.45 | golinux | You are the sound of one hand clapping. I certainly cannot contribute to the effort in a meaningful way. |
| 02:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I won't go do the installation on devuan servers. If only since I got no access to do so. And no time for that either |
| 02:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just can point you to a very simple way to get such logging installed and running |
| 02:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest is a job for your server sysops |
| 02:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm willing to configure the bot once it's installed |
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| 02:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@lagrange:~# apt-cache search supybot |
| 02:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | limnoria - robust and user-friendly Python IRC bot |
| 02:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | supybot - robust and user friendly Python IRC bot |
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| 02:26.11 | golinux | Bad timing Doc. We're all exhausted from the release and kicking back a bit. |
| 02:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing, I'm not pushing that, I just asked if you want to consider it, which it seems you already did |
| 02:28.11 | golinux | I know you're trying to help but . . . is there an off button? |
| 02:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so my suggestion: once you feel like tackling this, look into apt-cache search supybot and prolly something along the line of https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ |
| 02:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | fole closed :-) |
| 02:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | file |
| 02:30.11 | golinux | Doc, that means nothing to me and I won't remember it so wasted bytes (or is it bits). |
| 02:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | me and you're not the only users in here :-) |
| 02:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I already closed this file, on your demand |
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| 02:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | meetbot (another supybot/limnoria plugin) is a useful tool for easy meeting minutes, when you do meetings on IRC |
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| 03:32.02 | AlexLikeRock | HELP |
| 03:32.26 | AlexLikeRock | while [ $basura -le $comodin ] |
| 03:32.26 | AlexLikeRock | do ..... |
| 03:32.44 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 03:32.51 | AlexLikeRock | ERROR = line 17: [: : integer expression expected |
| 03:35.26 | gnarface | [[ ... ]] |
| 03:35.47 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 03:36.15 | gnarface | that will only work in BASH though |
| 03:36.30 | gnarface | for generic sh compatibility you have to use quotes |
| 03:36.58 | gnarface | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3427872/whats-the-difference-between-and-in-bash |
| 03:37.00 | gnarface | this looks accurate |
| 03:45.11 | AlexLikeRock | gnarface, tanks gnarface , works , fine |
| 03:45.27 | AlexLikeRock | i lovu u DEVUAN dev's |
| 03:45.31 | AlexLikeRock | :-* |
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| 08:37.11 | Diagon | Quick question on ascii installer. I've prepared my disks, including one LUKS, using the live setup. Now I'm installing from the main installer disk. I'm dropping to a shell to open the luks disk, but can't find cryptsetup. Help? |
| 08:38.57 | KatolaZ | Diagon: what is the main installer disk? |
| 08:39.00 | KatolaZ | (which one?) |
| 08:39.24 | Diagon | Uhh. I'm installing to a laptop. Hold on, let me go to the web site.... |
| 08:40.27 | Diagon | devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso |
| 08:40.32 | Diagon | That's it. |
| 08:40.52 | KatolaZ | oki |
| 08:40.55 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 08:41.07 | KatolaZ | you mean it does not install cryptsetup? |
| 08:41.28 | Diagon | When I drop to the shell, /sbin/cryptsetup is not present. |
| 08:42.12 | Diagon | When I run find / -name "*crypt*", I find scripts that use /sbin/cryptsetup, but it's not in the environment that the shell provides. |
| 08:42.21 | KatolaZ | Diagon: you should use exzpert install |
| 08:42.34 | KatolaZ | and select from there the additional d-i component |
| 08:42.51 | Diagon | That's what I'm using. Expert GUI. Then I drop to shell when it's time to assign partitions to /boot, / and so on. |
| 08:43.00 | Diagon | I did select those components. |
| 08:43.16 | Diagon | But still, I can't find cryptsetup in the envrionment provided in the shell. |
| 08:43.17 | KatolaZ | oki |
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| 08:45.51 | KatolaZ | it's strange though |
| 08:45.59 | Diagon | Ya. |
| 08:46.29 | KatolaZ | it should be in one of the additional components |
| 08:46.43 | Diagon | I had proceeded to the GUI partitioner, and the option to set up encrypted disks is there, so I /know/ that some environment has acess to cryptsetup. |
| 08:47.16 | Diagon | But when I returned and selected to drop to a shell (option at the bottom of the list), I couldn't find it. |
| 08:47.27 | KatolaZ | it's cryptsetup-udeb |
| 08:47.34 | Diagon | I do find the .deb |
| 08:47.38 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 08:47.41 | KatolaZ | you need the udeb |
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| 08:48.42 | Diagon | hm, well anyway there doesn't appear to be any way for me to install it. I mean, no apt-get, no dpkg ... |
| 08:48.43 | KatolaZ | and it should be among the available components |
| 08:48.51 | KatolaZ | Diagon: ^^^^ |
| 08:48.59 | KatolaZ | when you are asked to install additional installer components |
| 08:49.08 | KatolaZ | one of those should be cryptsetup |
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| 08:49.44 | Diagon | Yes, as I say I chose those and indeed the partitioner provides the option to set up encrypted disks. So I /know/ cryptsetup is present in some environment. Just not the shell provided. |
| 08:50.47 | KatolaZ | Diagon: it should be in the shell env |
| 08:50.59 | KatolaZ | it would be strange to find it in /target |
| 08:51.08 | KatolaZ | since disks have not been mounted yet |
| 08:52.06 | Diagon | Ok, now hold on. The shell I'm looking at said that I would find the local disks at /target, but this shell doesn't have a /target directory! |
| 08:52.42 | Diagon | That was my initial confusion. /dev/sda is there, though, and that's the one that's luks encrypted. |
| 08:53.08 | KatolaZ | Diagon: /target is where your / partition will be mounted |
| 08:53.53 | Diagon | Ok, so you're saying at some point the disks will be mounted there, and it'll pivot into that, right? But there's no /target, empty or otherwise. |
| 08:54.18 | KatolaZ | Diagon: are you sure you have not chosen to shell out into /target? |
| 08:54.36 | KatolaZ | easy way to find out: you should not have a /var/log/syslog |
| 08:54.51 | KatolaZ | (well, you should, if you are in the d-i environment) |
| 08:55.02 | Diagon | I went down to the bottom of the list of options. That is, I was at the point of partitioning disks, then I skipped and went to the bottom where the option to drop into a shell is. |
| 08:55.40 | Diagon | I have a /var/log/syslog |
| 08:55.49 | KatolaZ | ok then you are in the d-i env |
| 08:56.04 | KatolaZ | (if you cat /var/log/syslog you should see the d-i log) |
| 08:56.08 | Diagon | "syslog started: bysybox v1.22.1" ... |
| 08:56.56 | Diagon | ok, should I search for ... what, "d-i"? |
| 08:57.43 | Diagon | I can't grep any cryptsetup in there. |
| 09:01.50 | Diagon | Ok, I'm finding "retrieving crypto-dm-modules..." and "crypto-modules..." and "di-utils-mapdevfs" ... |
| 09:02.02 | Diagon | Is that what you were looking for? |
| 09:02.24 | KatolaZ | yes but you need cryptsetup |
| 09:02.32 | KatolaZ | and does not seem to be there |
| 09:02.46 | KatolaZ | hold on |
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| 09:10.21 | KatolaZ | Diagon: it seems that the cryptsetup udeb package is missing from stretch as well |
| 09:11.40 | Diagon | Ah, I see. Am I SOL? |
| 09:12.09 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 09:12.11 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 09:12.47 | KatolaZ | it uses partman-crypto apparently |
| 09:14.08 | Diagon | Ok... I find partman-{auto,auto-raid,base,basicfilesystems,basicmethods,btrfs,efi,ext3,iscsi,jfs,md,partitioning,target,utils,xfs} |
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| 09:14.21 | Diagon | No partman-crypto |
| 09:14.37 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 09:14.50 | KatolaZ | it's installed when you proceed to partition disk |
| 09:15.18 | Diagon | Ooph. So, it's only installed when I actually try to format a luks disk? |
| 09:17.05 | Diagon | (In my case, I'm just using the whole disk for luks. I'm not creating any partition on the disk.) |
| 09:17.05 | KatolaZ | seems so |
| 09:17.23 | KatolaZ | but it looks like partman should be able to manage already-configured LUKS volumes |
| 09:18.02 | KatolaZ | but I haven't used it though |
| 09:18.03 | Diagon | Well, when I tried to use it, it wanted to put a partition table on the disk, so I stopped. |
| 09:18.46 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 09:19.04 | KatolaZ | it's strange though |
| 09:19.11 | KatolaZ | this should be something "standard" |
| 09:19.50 | Diagon | Ya..... Alright, if I have no other choice, it seems I can install from the live iso. What are the differences? I'm guessing I won't be able to use OpenRC. |
| 09:20.05 | Diagon | Anything else? |
| 09:20.26 | KatolaZ | you can install cryptsetup manually |
| 09:20.42 | KatolaZ | Diagon: you can also setup openrc later if you want |
| 09:21.08 | Diagon | Oh, how can I install cryptsetup manually? |
| 09:21.14 | KatolaZ | in the d-i? |
| 09:21.15 | Diagon | If I don't have a shell, then ... |
| 09:21.18 | KatolaZ | you have to wget the package |
| 09:21.22 | KatolaZ | and then use anna-install |
| 09:21.29 | KatolaZ | no Diagon |
| 09:21.38 | KatolaZ | you are not installing it in the /target |
| 09:21.43 | KatolaZ | you install it in the d-i env |
| 09:21.50 | KatolaZ | (d-i == debian-installer) |
| 09:22.22 | Diagon | Ok, I guess I have to understand what anna-install is. let me have a look. |
| 09:22.31 | KatolaZ | Diagon: no need to understand that |
| 09:22.32 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:22.41 | KatolaZ | it's a stripped-down version of dpkg |
| 09:22.46 | KatolaZ | which can only install udebs |
| 09:23.23 | Diagon | Oh. So I drop out of this shell. I go back where I selected the device mapper modules, and ... then what? Or am I making a new iso? Sorry, I'm just not clear. |
| 09:24.11 | KatolaZ | Diagon: stop, take a breath :) |
| 09:24.20 | KatolaZ | from the shell |
| 09:24.23 | Diagon | Ommmmmmm. |
| 09:24.28 | KatolaZ | you can download packages |
| 09:24.29 | Diagon | :-) |
| 09:24.30 | KatolaZ | using wget |
| 09:24.32 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:24.47 | Diagon | Ah. (enlightenment!) |
| 09:25.02 | KatolaZ | after you have downloaded the needed udebs |
| 09:25.10 | KatolaZ | you can use anna-install to install them |
| 09:25.16 | KatolaZ | now this is not orthodox |
| 09:25.24 | KatolaZ | and I guess it's not even needed |
| 09:25.28 | KatolaZ | but it should work |
| 09:26.07 | Diagon | alright. how do I get the URL of the pkg? (And why "not even needed"? I mean ... Is there another way?) |
| 09:27.10 | Diagon | Actually, there's cryptsetup-udeb in /cdrom/pool/DEBIAN/main/c/cryptsetup |
| 09:27.11 | KatolaZ | Diagon: look inside /var/log/syslog for wget lines |
| 09:27.15 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 09:27.18 | KatolaZ | then just take it |
| 09:27.21 | KatolaZ | and install it |
| 09:27.24 | KatolaZ | with anna-install |
| 09:27.27 | Diagon | so I just anna-install that ... hold on. |
| 09:27.33 | KatolaZ | I forgot you are using the dvd! |
| 09:27.51 | KatolaZ | it might depend on the corresponding libcryptsetup udeb |
| 09:27.58 | KatolaZ | anna-install is pretty dumb |
| 09:28.32 | Diagon | Ok, so I maybe should install the lib first and then the cryptsetup. |
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| 09:28.47 | KatolaZ | I guess anna-install won't complain either way |
| 09:29.03 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 09:29.43 | Diagon | anna-install ./libcryptsetup4-udeb...udeb comes back with "unknown udeb ..." |
| 09:30.11 | Diagon | Same with cryptsetup-udeb |
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| 09:33.03 | Diagon | Hm. I've got udpkg and "cryptsetup-bin...deb" Why don't I just install that? What's the difference between a .deb and a .udeb? |
| 09:33.22 | KatolaZ | Diagon: a udeb is just to be used by the installer |
| 09:33.26 | KatolaZ | it cannot be uninstalled |
| 09:33.38 | KatolaZ | and it's a pretty messy thing to deal with |
| 09:34.31 | Diagon | And if I install a .deb instead? (http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/) |
| 09:34.47 | KatolaZ | Diagon: you can't install a deb in the d-i env |
| 09:35.16 | Diagon | Ok, so why's anna uncooperative? |
| 09:35.43 | KatolaZ | Diagon: sorry have to go |
| 09:35.46 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:35.48 | KatolaZ | :( |
| 09:36.50 | Diagon | Well, you helped a lot. Thanks KatolaZ! Have a good night. |
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| 09:44.18 | Diagon | KatolaZ - I got it working by using "udpkg -i" You can install .deb's in an installer! At least, I got the luks disk open. Now I'll see it I can install there. |
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| 10:10.48 | Diagon | KatolaZ - Ok, installation is proceeding fine. LL I'm just about to be free of Ubuntu! \O/ |
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| 10:36.02 | Diagon | KatolaZ - well, almost. It didn't manage to get cryptsetup into the initramfs. Will have to run some rescue disk action and update-initramfs. That'll be a task for tomorrow.... |
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| 14:18.04 | Juesto | hey |
| 14:18.23 | Juesto | is there support for 2 in 1 bluetooth wlan cards ? |
| 14:18.42 | djph | like the intel 7260s? |
| 14:18.48 | Juesto | and how do i tell X that a certain device that is detected as a mouse that its a touchscreen |
| 14:19.19 | Juesto | i have a hp pavilon x360 |
| 14:19.47 | djph | touchscreen, like a tablet / laptop screen? X doesn't care (i mean, to the control systems, it's a mouse / touchpad) |
| 14:19.54 | Juesto | yes |
| 14:20.19 | Wonka | the difference between relative and absolute pointing device might be relevant... |
| 14:20.23 | Juesto | ah, how to configure that in xfce? gnome shell worked but it was hell slow |
| 14:20.40 | Juesto | it had a huge delay between switching touch and mouse |
| 14:20.47 | Juesto | even opening the keyboard wtf |
| 14:20.47 | djph | wlan / bt -> most are, but it depends on the specific card. |
| 14:21.01 | Juesto | on screen keyboward* |
| 14:21.22 | djph | Wonka: quite true, I hate fingerprints on my screen, so, well, I don't care if they're touch or not (they ain't gettin' touched) |
| 14:21.33 | Juesto | djph: the same card is providing bluetooth and wlan, thats what i meant |
| 14:21.55 | Juesto | and i couldnt find bluetooth support, only wlan with a closer relative |
| 14:22.12 | djph | Juesto: yes, I understood. It depends on whether or not it's landfill-fodder (as is normal from most mfgs), or something halfway decent. |
| 14:22.28 | Juesto | hmm, no idea about that =) |
| 14:22.35 | djph | what card is it? |
| 14:23.02 | Juesto | dont remember, im on windows in that laptop atm, it has a old fedora installed |
| 14:23.19 | djph | windows has a hardware manager too ... |
| 14:23.25 | Juesto | ralink rt3290 |
| 14:23.27 | djph | ew |
| 14:23.34 | Juesto | ikr |
| 14:23.37 | Juesto | :p |
| 14:23.53 | djph | and, thankd to HP, you can't replace it with something not awful :( |
| 14:23.58 | djph | *thanks |
| 14:24.05 | Juesto | :/ |
| 14:24.08 | Juesto | oh well |
| 14:24.26 | Juesto | beyond unsupported, technical reasons? |
| 14:24.52 | Juesto | not much i can do then.... :( |
| 14:25.50 | Juesto | and anything about drivers? |
| 14:26.01 | djph | because HP puts a whitelist in their bioses. "not our HP-branded firmware on a card -> ERR_HARD_STOP" |
| 14:26.03 | Juesto | hey, bluetooth and wifi itself does okay actually |
| 14:26.11 | Juesto | fake it then? |
| 14:27.15 | Juesto | sigh... then i guess i'd have to wait for someone to make a driver out of it or something |
| 14:28.57 | djph | or hack the HP trash bios :D |
| 14:29.20 | Juesto | complexness: bios > driver |
| 14:29.22 | Juesto | xD |
| 14:29.26 | djph | ralink may provide *nix drivers, but they're ... fun ... to find |
| 14:29.54 | Juesto | of the 2in1 ? |
| 14:30.10 | Juesto | actually not really sure about the bluetooth since it says mediatek on windows |
| 14:30.53 | Juesto | Aha |
| 14:30.56 | Juesto | mediatek site |
| 14:31.25 | djph | one bought the otehr |
| 14:32.30 | Juesto | Ugh, apparently mediatek removed it from their site |
| 14:32.54 | Juesto | sigh |
| 14:33.57 | Juesto | im reading about ubuntu but i guess it should be the same thing on devuan/fedora? |
| 14:41.57 | djph | "maybe". |
| 14:42.14 | djph | Devuan is a fork of debian-proper. Fedora is RedHat, who the hell knows |
| 14:43.01 | Juesto | well |
| 14:43.06 | Juesto | its still linux kernel :) |
| 14:43.20 | Juesto | and yes, fedora is a consumer red hat |
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| 14:44.20 | djph | yeah, but "how it works" does change a bit (even between say deb <-> ubuntu), because of other things (e.g. gcc version, libc6, etc.) |
| 14:45.17 | Juesto | i know, the basics is still the same |
| 14:45.22 | Juesto | because its linux and gnu tools |
| 14:45.31 | muep | wifi/bt HW support is mostly in the kernel which mostly is not affected by changes in userspace |
| 14:45.58 | Juesto | usually its enabled |
| 14:45.59 | djph | muep: until you have to compile them from source |
| 14:46.33 | muep | well yeah, there the package names will vary |
| 14:46.38 | Juesto | muep: my card isnt on the standard firmware support |
| 14:47.07 | muep | Juesto: if it is just a case of lacking firmware, you don't need to compile a kernel |
| 14:47.36 | muep | if it is an unredistributable firmware, usually you'd need to just get the firmware file from something that has it |
| 14:48.36 | Juesto | well, the card is supported but barely, only wlan and not even the right model |
| 14:48.53 | Juesto | actually not really into the details of all this tbh |
| 14:50.26 | muep | it does not sound like a firmware issue to me |
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| 14:50.52 | muep | but if it works on fedora and not on devuan, you likely just need a more recent kernel |
| 14:50.53 | Juesto | what would be the issue then? |
| 14:50.59 | Juesto | i mean it works but no bluetooth |
| 14:51.13 | Juesto | and not the right model either |
| 14:51.13 | Juesto | :p |
| 14:51.23 | muep | not right model in what sense? |
| 14:51.27 | Juesto | i mean, it should work on devuan but im looking forward to have bluetooth working too |
| 14:51.53 | Juesto | that the driver used in fedora is the closest open source version not the exact one for its family or so |
| 14:52.08 | Juesto | and if it was the right driver i should be having bluetooth working |
| 14:52.16 | muep | the driver name does not always match the device name |
| 14:52.32 | Juesto | i didnt try devuan yet |
| 14:52.47 | Juesto | i shall reboot to fedora and join #fedora i guess |
| 14:53.15 | muep | e.g. if a device vendor xyz has a chipset XYZ 112233 and then someone writes it a linux driver named xyz112233 |
| 14:53.44 | muep | then later a new similar device XYZ 112234 comes available and it is similar enough that the existing driver can drive it |
| 14:53.50 | Juesto | i'll reboot away and investigate there i guess |
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| 14:53.59 | muep | there likely would not be a separate zyx112234 driver |
| 14:54.14 | Juesto | no support for 2-in-1 cards apparently |
| 14:55.39 | muep | I'd not necessarily generalize it like that based on one device |
| 14:55.59 | muep | it more sounds like this driver for your device is missing a feature or has a bug |
| 14:56.37 | Juesto | yeah i guess |
| 14:57.50 | Juesto | again, i'll reboot to fedora and check |
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| 15:08.29 | msiism | DocScrutinizer05, fsmithred: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/b/bash/bash_4.4-5_changelog (third entry). and: https://bugs.debian.org/845177 |
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| 15:11.43 | Juesto | back |
| 15:12.08 | Juesto | couldn't connect from the computer, doesn't matter |
| 15:12.18 | Juesto | Wi-Fi's working |
| 15:12.25 | Juesto | muep |
| 15:13.03 | Juesto | lol i feel dumb, the wlan is correctly recognized but not Bluetooth |
| 15:13.23 | Juesto | actually even the Bluetooth is recognized and listed but no driver |
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| 15:15.54 | Juesto | apparently i don't have Bluetooth service |
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| 15:29.29 | Juesto | hey |
| 15:34.39 | Juesto | hey |
| 15:34.44 | Juesto | uhm |
| 15:34.45 | telst4r | hue |
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| 15:35.03 | Juesto | im still wondering about touchscreen |
| 15:44.53 | Juesto | How i would go into removing systemd and switching to another init in fedora? |
| 15:45.08 | buZz | Juesto: which devuan are you running? |
| 15:45.21 | Wonka | .oO( why would we here know about Fedora? ) |
| 15:45.40 | Juesto | it's a general question, how would i make it systemd-free |
| 15:45.54 | buZz | no clue, ask #fedora? \ |
| 15:45.56 | Juesto | Thought you guys would know, since you guys know how to do that on a debian install |
| 15:46.04 | buZz | no, we run devuan |
| 15:46.08 | buZz | not debian |
| 15:46.12 | Juesto | they said its not possible, but i am skeptical |
| 15:46.14 | buZz | are you here to troll? |
| 15:46.33 | Juesto | no |
| 15:46.38 | buZz | then why? |
| 15:46.46 | Juesto | just a thought |
| 15:46.48 | Juesto | :/ |
| 15:46.49 | Juesto | sorry |
| 15:46.55 | buZz | did you try #fedora yet? |
| 15:47.01 | Juesto | yes |
| 15:47.10 | Juesto | see above |
| 15:47.15 | buZz | what makes you think #devuan is a better place for fedora questions? |
| 15:47.16 | Juesto | >they said... |
| 15:47.19 | Juesto | :/ |
| 15:47.21 | Juesto | uhhh |
| 15:47.24 | Juesto | nevermind then |
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| 15:47.42 | buZz | running redhat without systemd will be insanely hard |
| 15:47.55 | Juesto | o_O |
| 15:47.58 | Juesto | how come |
| 15:48.16 | buZz | even removing it from debian to a level where noobs could run it, took about a year |
| 15:48.51 | buZz | i'd recommend just installing devuan if you want a systemd-free OS |
| 15:49.01 | buZz | will make it a LOT easier to ask questions in here aswell |
| 15:49.41 | Juesto | thanks, i guess i'll move partitions then |
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| 16:03.55 | muep | Juesto: I would guess that it is possible to run some other init in fedora but you would need to do a lot of the integration yourself |
| 16:04.11 | muep | it would be a huge task |
| 16:04.42 | Juesto | sigh |
| 16:04.59 | Juesto | plus got told there isnt init alts |
| 16:05.02 | muep | with integration I mean stuff like writing (or finding and reusing) init scripts for everyting and its dog |
| 16:05.16 | buZz | Juesto: imho, fedora isnt ment for people who want freedom over such things |
| 16:05.41 | buZz | its just for the 'do everything like we tell you, and maybe you can certify for RHEL some day' |
| 16:06.35 | Juesto | i see |
| 16:06.35 | muep | imo, fedora is quite flexible even though it does not provide more than one init |
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| 16:07.08 | buZz | muep: i still stand by its just 'beginners RHEL' to veign relevance for that setup in enterprise |
| 16:07.14 | muep | the short support period is the main limitation that prevents use for quite many use cases |
| 16:07.22 | buZz | if they cant fool kids into running fedora, in 10 years nobody will care about RHEL |
| 16:08.16 | Juesto | consumer rhel* |
| 16:08.31 | buZz | same thing |
| 16:08.33 | muep | RHEL is like an expensive way to get a small subset of fedora in a way that is more boring and has long support |
| 16:09.01 | muep | and neither of those is really consumer-oriented |
| 16:09.05 | buZz | muep: or fedora is the way to do 'experimentation on users' to see what features could maybe go into RHEL |
| 16:09.43 | muep | part of it is experimentation in general |
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| 17:01.13 | Beerbelott | Hello |
| 17:01.28 | Beerbelott | I am trying to update a Debian Stretch machine to Devuan Ascii |
| 17:01.56 | Beerbelott | (inspired by https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii) |
| 17:02.19 | Beerbelott | However it seems I encountered a difficulty: |
| 17:02.19 | Beerbelott | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.19 | Beerbelott | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:02.47 | buZz | how about apt remove x ; apt install x ? |
| 17:02.54 | buZz | does that bring the same error back? |
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| 17:04.48 | Beerbelott | I usually purge instead of remove, is it problematic for initramfs-tools? |
| 17:05.17 | buZz | i dont see any reason to use purge instead of remove, but should be ok |
| 17:05.25 | buZz | what is 'it' in your question? purge? |
| 17:06.49 | Beerbelott | yup |
| 17:06.52 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: what is the error you get, exactly? |
| 17:07.15 | buZz | then yeh, should be fine to use |
| 17:07.18 | KatolaZ | (inspiration is not enough: that guide is meant to be followed quite literally, AFAICT) |
| 17:07.22 | Beerbelott | I'll do remove, however we are talking about remove initramfs-tools, which deletes kernels and warns about kernel modules which will also be removed, shall I proceed? |
| 17:07.54 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: please read above ^^^^^ |
| 17:08.26 | buZz | yeah its ment as literal howto |
| 17:08.29 | Beerbelott | KatolaZ: THe only step I could not go through with was to remove the systemd package. Even if I was already using sysvinit for init, stuff like openssh-server had dependencies on systemd... |
| 17:08.39 | KatolaZ | no Beerbelott |
| 17:08.42 | KatolaZ | that's impossible |
| 17:08.50 | KatolaZ | this means that you stiull have debian repos somewhere |
| 17:09.08 | buZz | KatolaZ: which get removed two steps later? |
| 17:09.18 | KatolaZ | the dep from openssh is on libpam-systemd |
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| 17:09.26 | KatolaZ | and it's satisfied by elogind |
| 17:09.37 | KatolaZ | and it's not a dep, rather a "recommends" |
| 17:09.49 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: ^^^ |
| 17:09.50 | buZz | oh, he might have installrecommends on |
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| 17:13.02 | Beerbelott | KatolaZ: I was talking about doing that *before* the dist-upgrade, thus still on Debian |
| 17:13.08 | Beerbelott | as per the guide steps |
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| 17:13.36 | Beerbelott | 'apt-get purge systemd' is said to be run *before* actually even configuring Devuan sources |
| 17:13.51 | Beerbelott | If I were to do that, it would have removed openssh-server, I am positive |
| 17:14.45 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Recommends |
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| 17:15.59 | Beerbelott | I finished the procedure now thus openssh-server does not rely on systemd anymore :) |
| 17:16.19 | KatolaZ | no Beerbelott |
| 17:16.22 | KatolaZ | I don't understand |
| 17:16.30 | KatolaZ | openssh-server does not depend on systems |
| 17:16.33 | KatolaZ | systemd |
| 17:16.39 | KatolaZ | it Recommends: libpam-systemd |
| 17:16.46 | Beerbelott | Recommends: libpam-systemd, ncurses-term, xauth |
| 17:16.47 | KatolaZ | which is provided by libpam-elogind in Devuan |
| 17:16.53 | KatolaZ | namely |
| 17:17.05 | Beerbelott | I told you that was for the openssh-server package from *Debian* |
| 17:17.07 | KatolaZ | so if you remove systemd you won't remove libpam-systemd |
| 17:17.21 | buZz | KatolaZ: but he wasnt on devuan yet ;) |
| 17:17.28 | KatolaZ | buZz: doesn't matter |
| 17:17.31 | buZz | oh ok |
| 17:17.35 | Beerbelott | The procedure tells to purge the systemd package *before* even configuring Devuan packages in the source (thus while still in Debian) |
| 17:17.38 | buZz | been ages since i touched a debian box |
| 17:17.45 | KatolaZ | if you remove a package with apt-get you don't remove it's deps |
| 17:17.57 | KatolaZ | unless you have autoremove enabled somewhere |
| 17:18.05 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: I got it |
| 17:18.09 | buZz | KatolaZ: not even remove apps depending on what you remove? |
| 17:18.11 | KatolaZ | have you read what I wrote above? |
| 17:18.14 | Beerbelott | I might have tested w/ aptitude |
| 17:18.39 | Beerbelott | (unsure now) |
| 17:18.47 | KatolaZ | ok Beerbelott |
| 17:18.57 | KatolaZ | so you didn't follow the guide literally |
| 17:19.09 | KatolaZ | it would be good to have a more detailed report of what you did, if you can |
| 17:19.12 | Beerbelott | Wish me luck, procedure is finished, all seems well... It shall be the last time I see this: 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1 (2018-04-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:20.26 | Beerbelott | KatolaZ: Once the dist-upgrade has been done and finished in error, I did sudo apt remove initramfs-tools-core |
| 17:20.53 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: the dist-upgrade comes after you remove systemd.... |
| 17:20.55 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 17:21.19 | Beerbelott | It removed initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-core linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:21.25 | Beerbelott | Which I then reinstalled |
| 17:21.50 | buZz | coolio |
| 17:22.02 | Beerbelott | you only need to specify initramfs-tools linus-image-amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 actually |
| 17:22.16 | Beerbelott | the last one is needed if you wish to keep dual-kernel possibilities |
| 17:22.18 | buZz | totally possible debian is no longer in a state that matches the initial state of that howto |
| 17:22.38 | buZz | whats a dual-kernel |
| 17:22.44 | KatolaZ | buZz: the howto was updated 5 days ago |
| 17:22.56 | buZz | KatolaZ: doesnt reduce chances to zero ;) |
| 17:22.59 | Beerbelott | I mean having with 49.0-5 & 4.9.0-6 entries in the boot loader |
| 17:23.11 | buZz | Beerbelott: why would you even want that? |
| 17:23.11 | KatolaZ | if you remove systemd using apt-get, openssh-server does not get removed |
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| 17:23.42 | KatolaZ | if you interpret the guide, then you should also interpret the results :) |
| 17:23.50 | buZz | :) |
| 17:24.03 | buZz | i'm almost 10% tempted to just install debian in a VM and try |
| 17:24.09 | buZz | hehe |
| 17:24.18 | KatolaZ | please do buZz |
| 17:24.24 | KatolaZ | and report any inconsistency |
| 17:24.33 | KatolaZ | detailed reports are useful |
| 17:24.36 | buZz | i totally would if i did |
| 17:24.44 | buZz | maybe later today :) |
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| 17:38.01 | Beerbelott | $ cat /etc/os-release &&hideprev |
| 17:38.01 | Beerbelott | PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres" |
| 17:38.01 | Beerbelott | NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux" |
| 17:38.01 | Beerbelott | ID=devuan |
| 17:38.01 | Beerbelott | HOME_URL="https://www.devuan.org/" |
| 17:38.02 | Beerbelott | SUPPORT_URL="https://www.devuan.org/support/" |
| 17:38.02 | Beerbelott | BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.devuan.org/" |
| 17:38.03 | Beerbelott | :) |
| 17:50.58 | Beerbelott | buZz: I did just that :) |
| 17:51.29 | Beerbelott | I was actually using aptitude |
| 17:51.53 | Beerbelott | It warns openssh-server recommends libpam-systemd, but the package was not going to be installed |
| 17:52.05 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: this is what we said above :) |
| 17:52.15 | KatolaZ | if you used apt-get it would have not complained |
| 17:52.19 | Beerbelott | this 'leave the following dependencies unresolved' is a bit scary though, since I was working over SSH |
| 17:52.33 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: the guide says to use apt-get :) |
| 17:53.02 | Beerbelott | Yup but I would have uninstalled libpam-systemd, systemd wasn't that problematic? |
| 17:53.15 | KatolaZ | no Beerbelott |
| 17:53.25 | KatolaZ | why should that be problematic? |
| 17:53.48 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: you are not the first one to migrate from stretch to ascii :) |
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| 17:54.25 | Beerbelott | OK then my bad |
| 17:54.43 | KatolaZ | no Beerbelott |
| 17:54.47 | KatolaZ | I am not saying that |
| 17:54.58 | KatolaZ | it's just that aptitude and apt-get have different defaults |
| 17:55.12 | KatolaZ | and the path that uses apt-get has been tested by many people |
| 17:55.23 | Beerbelott | Yup I was using aptitude precisely for its overseeing capability ) |
| 17:55.29 | Beerbelott | Yup rgr that |
| 17:55.33 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:55.41 | Beerbelott | The thing is on devuan boxes I merely use apt-get :D |
| 17:55.45 | KatolaZ | happy to hear that you are on board now :) |
| 17:55.55 | Beerbelott | but on debian aptitude... don't ask why |
| 17:56.04 | Beerbelott | I was already on other machines |
| 17:56.12 | Beerbelott | But this one was... important |
| 17:57.14 | Beerbelott | Can't wait to get my hands on an Ascii net-install :) |
| 17:57.50 | buZz | you'd better start to use apt |
| 17:57.58 | buZz | instead of apt-get or aptitude |
| 17:58.05 | Beerbelott | I subducted a colleague at work who had to install a PC by sticking my Devuan Jessie-installed USB key :D |
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| 17:58.13 | Beerbelott | sticking out* |
| 17:58.14 | buZz | aptitude is 'ubuntu style' , apt-get is a relic |
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| 17:58.48 | KatolaZ | buZz: ? |
| 17:58.54 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 17:58.55 | buZz | ? |
| 17:59.12 | KatolaZ | apt-get is a relic? |
| 17:59.22 | buZz | yes, apt is its replacement |
| 17:59.34 | KatolaZ | no, this is what the apt developers would like to happen |
| 17:59.38 | Beerbelott | There are actions apt-get do apt can't if I recall right |
| 17:59.47 | buZz | Beerbelott: no, none |
| 18:00.13 | buZz | KatolaZ: i agree , without developers we would have never need to move to newer software |
| 18:00.30 | buZz | if they could just stop developing new stuff! geez |
| 18:00.37 | KatolaZ | no I don't say that |
| 18:00.39 | buZz | pets the pdp8 |
| 18:00.44 | sicelo | i saw there are images for beaglebone black. is there an info page to show what is supported, etc.? |
| 18:00.44 | KatolaZ | I am happy that apt is around |
| 18:00.48 | KatolaZ | and that aptitude is there |
| 18:01.00 | KatolaZ | sicelo: look at the README.txt |
| 18:01.00 | buZz | sicelo: should be similar support to any other distro for beagle |
| 18:01.15 | buZz | that omap-alike is well supported |
| 18:01.59 | KatolaZ | buZz: having new software does not automatically mean that the "old" is bad and should be discarded |
| 18:02.09 | KatolaZ | remember that both apt and apt-get depend on dpkg |
| 18:02.16 | KatolaZ | that is a "relic" from 1994 |
| 18:02.16 | buZz | sure, its just progress |
| 18:02.19 | buZz | who cares |
| 18:02.22 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:02.26 | buZz | we could keep running 1994 software all we want |
| 18:02.30 | KatolaZ | and has not changed much since then |
| 18:02.42 | sicelo | in fact, i still prefer apt-get over apt |
| 18:02.51 | buZz | you dont like a progress bar? :D |
| 18:02.56 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:02.58 | sicelo | not at all |
| 18:03.27 | sicelo | apt-cache search has better output than apt search foo |
| 18:04.07 | buZz | apt-cache search doesnt even give you the versionnumbers |
| 18:04.09 | KatolaZ | I am just sick of the "it's from 20 years ago, so it must be old, hence removed" |
| 18:04.14 | KatolaZ | this is why we have systemd around |
| 18:04.16 | buZz | or what repo its from |
| 18:04.22 | KatolaZ | and a lot of crap |
| 18:04.23 | buZz | i never said remove ;) |
| 18:04.26 | sicelo | i don't need version numbers when i search for packages |
| 18:04.36 | KatolaZ | apt has good features |
| 18:04.39 | buZz | sicelo: not even when there's more than one? |
| 18:04.42 | KatolaZ | and aptitude as well |
| 18:05.04 | KatolaZ | buZz: when there is more than one, apt-cache will show more than one |
| 18:05.10 | sicelo | not really .. when i'm searching, i want to know if there is a package for foo |
| 18:05.33 | KatolaZ | anyway, my point is not that apt is good or bad |
| 18:05.36 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:05.54 | sicelo | then i zoom in on packages i am interested in .. only the n i need versions |
| 18:05.58 | buZz | KatolaZ: and, not show the difference ;) |
| 18:06.01 | Beerbelott | KatolaZ: Don't get started on systemd wannabe-kings decided they knew it on everything and were going to provide the salutarian monolith :D |
| 18:06.36 | sicelo | s/the n / then / |
| 18:07.05 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: ? |
| 18:07.17 | sicelo | mm, now i don't see the link for images |
| 18:07.42 | KatolaZ | sicelo: files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_rc/embedded |
| 18:08.04 | Beerbelott | ? |
| 18:09.18 | sicelo | looks like i have interenet problems. can't open it. /me goes to check dns |
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| 18:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, lol. https://bugs.debian.org/845177 - thanks msiism for this finding |
| 18:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote, bugs.debian.org is pretty useless crap |
| 18:13.14 | koollman | well ... it shows conversation about bugs with context. how is that crap ? |
| 18:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it obfuscates stuff |
| 18:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fist message I can find in this bug is #5, no matter what I do. I can't find the patch either |
| 18:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | first* |
| 18:19.21 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: click " |
| 18:19.22 | Wonka | Toggle useless messages" |
| 18:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | did, pointless |
| 18:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly "best viewed in a browser that supports our JS-crap" |
| 18:20.54 | Wonka | message #10 contains a clear_console.diff |
| 18:21.01 | Wonka | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=1;bug=845177;filename=clear_console.diff;msg=10 |
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| 18:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 18:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | only has ^[[3J |
| 18:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how this explains the issue |
| 18:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly muses if there should be a ^m at end of this sequence, to flush buffers |
| 18:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it would be pretty funny if the ^[[3J would get buffered until VT is switched to clear_console the old way, then takes effect in the VT clear_console switched to |
| 18:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | i start to love my for x in seq 50; do printf '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n'; done; approach |
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| 18:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for x in `seq 50`; do printf '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n'; done; #sorry |
| 18:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m0.004s user 0m0.001s sys 0m0.003s |
| 18:59.36 | Wonka | Shift-Pageup Shift-Pageup # sorry not sorry |
| 18:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (in xterm) |
| 19:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: hm? |
| 19:00.19 | Wonka | .oO( /exec -o sh -c "for x in `seq 50`; do printf '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n'; done" ) |
| 19:00.36 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: scrolls up in the non-cleared scrollback buffer |
| 19:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the scrollbufer gets cleared by what I pasted |
| 19:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point |
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| 19:01.22 | Wonka | well, in my xfce4-terminal, it's 1000 lines... |
| 19:01.26 | Wonka | so, no. |
| 19:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not in my console though |
| 19:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet your xfce4 terminal also doesn't bother about chvt |
| 19:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | which happens to be what clear_consile done so far |
| 19:04.51 | Wonka | yep. |
| 19:05.05 | Wonka | but it does care about what "clear" without -x does... |
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| 19:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant I'd think. clear_console (the program that makes X11 crash) only is aimed at VTs aiui |
| 19:07.28 | Wonka | I didn't even know clear_console existed :) |
| 19:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 19:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | tl;dr: it cleared VT backscroll buffer by chvt() to another console and then back, and this doesn't work anymore with a "new" kernel patch that keeps scrollbuffers in this case. So they patched it to also do write( "\e[3J"). And now(? or even longer?) clear_console executed on VT2 crashes X11 on VT1 |
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| 19:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | my problem is: I still don't have access to de*an VTs, so I hardly can test anything |
| 19:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | all I can do is testing a for x in `seq 999 -1 1`; do echo $x; done; and state that _my_ console buffer incl visible screen is a 133 lines. Obviously this doesn't mean much for a proper generic solution to the problem of clearing backscroll buffer |
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| 19:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway `man 1 clear` >>clear clears your screen if this is possible, including its scrollback buffer (if the extended "E3" capability is defined).<< |
| 19:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I see on de*an systems this manpage looks quite different but also mentions E3 cap |
| 19:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | also this manpage is worth reading and you wonder if the bash (and/or clear_console) devels ever did |
| 19:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/133/134/ fwiw |
| 19:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | techo -e '\0333J' clears those 134 lines here, uname -srvmpi Linux 3.16.7-53-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Dec 2 13:19:28 UTC 2016 (7b4a1f9) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 |
| 19:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | -t |
| 19:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh, those typos. echo -e '\033[3J' |
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| 20:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: >>"clear" without -x<< what's that? my "clear" doesn't take any parameters |
| 20:20.20 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/clear.1.html is close to what I have here in my devuan as /usr/share/man/man1/clear.1.gz, which comes from ncurses-bin |
| 20:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that's strange. on a recently "updated" debian system, I get http://paste.debian.net/1024674/ |
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| 20:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | in line with reaction to `/usr/bin/clear -V` that simply clears the screen (in a ssh bash session) |
| 20:28.01 | MrBubba | hi |
| 20:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l `which clear` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6136 Dec 28 10:47 /usr/bin/clear |
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| 20:49.53 | mchasard | hi |
| 20:50.53 | mchasard | i'm trying to install guestboxadditions |
| 20:51.17 | mchasard | in order that in the virtualbox i could get any resolution |
| 20:52.26 | mchasard | i try to follow a tuto but its not so clear |
| 20:53.02 | mchasard | i have donwload an iso file |
| 20:53.51 | mchasard | i insert cd image additions from the vrtualbox menu |
| 20:54.05 | mchasard | but after how to preceed please |
| 20:55.31 | mchasard | i needto have the necessary right to run autorun.sh |
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| 21:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you should check a few alternative howtos. i'm not really sure if the following applies to debian as well, but might give a hint: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/286934/how-to-install-virtualbox-guest-additions-in-a-debian-virtual-machine |
| 21:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | err *...if the following applies to *Devuan* as well* |
| 21:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly might want to ask jaromil, KatolaZ, parazyd |
| 21:12.22 | mchasard | thanks ... |
| 21:13.21 | mchasard | i install gcc make and perl to proceed |
| 21:13.52 | mchasard | when i run sudo sh /media/cdrom0/autorun.sh |
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