| 00:05.11 | crimson_king | yo, github exposed some users' passwords in plain text. My password was reset and they told me to set a new one |
| 00:06.19 | crimson_king | https://www.secnews24.com/2018/05/01/github-says-bug-exposed-some-plaintext-passwords/ |
| 00:06.48 | crimson_king | not this one |
| 00:06.49 | crimson_king | https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/github-says-bug-exposed-account-passwords/ |
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| 08:34.22 | FatPhil_ | why might openntpd fail to start? I asked it for its status and it said "Failed!", but it started perfectly happily after that. |
| 08:35.22 | FatPhil_ | Alas grepping for ntpd in the logs gives me a million lines, of which none say fail or error. Last reboot was so long ago, it may have been logrotated away |
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| 09:34.56 | beagleburt | G'day from New Zealand! I just installed Devuan stable & I checked all the alternative desktops but when I login (slim?)I only get the default desktop environment. How do I set up the login to give me choices of environments? |
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| 09:37.26 | flrn | beagleburt: for choosing manually, press F2 |
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| 09:38.01 | flrn | the default DE I have configured in ~/.xsession |
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| 09:38.30 | flrn | in my case simply the line "/usr/bin/startlxde" |
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| 09:42.33 | beagleburt | flrn, Press F2 before I login? It only offers Xfce? |
| 09:43.22 | flrn | beagleburt: Do you have multiple DEs installed? |
| 09:43.44 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: are those installed? |
| 09:43.51 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:43.59 | beagleburt | flrn, I chose several DE's while I was installing Devuan |
| 09:44.38 | beagleburt | KatolaZ, I don't know? |
| 09:45.00 | flrn | what does "dpkg -l task-*-desktop" return? |
| 09:45.03 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: did you install using a network mirror? |
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| 09:48.27 | beagleburt | KatolaZ, yes |
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| 09:49.52 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: strange |
| 09:50.05 | KatolaZ | what if you start tasksel again? |
| 09:50.10 | beagleburt | flrn, ii task-lxde-desktop ii task-mate-desktop ii task-xfce-desktop |
| 09:50.12 | KatolaZ | oh wait |
| 09:52.08 | flrn | beagleburt: what does your "/usr/share/xsessions/" directory contain? |
| 09:53.16 | beagleburt | flrn, LXDE.desktop mate.desktop openbox.desktop xfce.desktop |
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| 09:54.28 | flrn | is this directory configured as the "sessiondir" in /etc/slim.conf |
| 09:54.46 | flrn | ? |
| 09:56.51 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: it's strange that it does not work for you |
| 09:57.06 | KatolaZ | something like this should have been noticed and reported already |
| 09:57.08 | KatolaZ | IMHO |
| 09:57.09 | beagleburt | flrn, sessiondir /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 09:58.21 | flrn | beagleburt: I just noticed, it's the F1 key to choose the session, but you probably got that already... |
| 09:58.37 | beagleburt | flrn, yes |
| 09:59.12 | flrn | did you try to restart slim? |
| 10:00.01 | beagleburt | flrn, xfce only option //no how to restart slim? |
| 10:00.17 | flrn | "/etc/init.d/slim restart" |
| 10:00.19 | KatolaZ | /etc/init.d/slim restart |
| 10:01.02 | flrn | KatolaZ: how do you "leading slash"? |
| 10:01.21 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 10:01.31 | KatolaZ | oh you mean on irc? |
| 10:01.35 | flrn | yes |
| 10:01.38 | KatolaZ | dunno |
| 10:01.40 | KatolaZ | you're right |
| 10:01.46 | KatolaZ | it should be considered as a command |
| 10:01.54 | KatolaZ | maybe the fact that you have more than one /? |
| 10:02.01 | KatolaZ | /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:02.04 | KatolaZ | this is fine |
| 10:02.05 | KatolaZ | but |
| 10:02.08 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.22 | KatolaZ | works only by prependig a [:space:] |
| 10:02.31 | KatolaZ | /etc/ |
| 10:02.34 | KatolaZ | oh wow |
| 10:02.35 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:02.37 | flrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.39 | KatolaZ | that's why |
| 10:02.40 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 10:02.53 | KatolaZ | you don't need a space if there is more than one /, apparently |
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| 10:03.12 | flrn | I do... |
| 10:03.21 | KatolaZ | uh |
| 10:03.31 | KatolaZ | I'm using irssi |
| 10:03.34 | flrn | probably your client is more intelligent |
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| 10:03.40 | KatolaZ | dunno if it makes any difference |
| 10:03.44 | flrn | hexchat here |
| 10:04.15 | beagleburt | flrn, wow! blank screen ttl login? |
| 10:04.32 | flrn | ?! |
| 10:05.26 | beagleburt | flrn, "startx" got my GUI back...? |
| 10:06.14 | flrn | beagleburt: I thought you want slim to start X |
| 10:06.58 | flrn | "apt-get install --reinstall slim" ?! |
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| 10:07.19 | beagleburt | flrn, Yes I did but it didn't work - I just got a black screen with a login prompt? |
| 10:07.50 | flrn | console login prompt? |
| 10:08.49 | flrn | or missing background imagery? |
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| 10:09.31 | beagleburt | flrn, yes console login prompt |
| 10:10.19 | flrn | I'd try with the "reinstall" above |
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| 10:10.32 | beagleburt | flrn, I just checked "ps -e" & there was no "slim" in the process list? |
| 10:10.44 | beagleburt | flrn, ok |
| 10:11.00 | flrn | if "/etc/init.d/slim restart" doesn't report any errors |
| 10:13.01 | beagleburt | flrn, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:13.14 | flrn | you forgot the "?" ;) |
| 10:14.18 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: what do you have in your sources.list? |
| 10:15.34 | beagleburt | flrn, beagleburt@devuan:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/slim restart |
| 10:15.34 | beagleburt | [FAIL] Stopping X display manager: slim failed! |
| 10:15.34 | beagleburt | [ ok ] Starting slim: slim. |
| 10:17.04 | flrn | KatolaZ: I don't think it's an installation issue, rather a post-installation f*-up, as slim had been working and /etc/slim.conf and also the desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions seem to be fine |
| 10:20.33 | beagleburt | flrn, KatolaZ : I think I will try logging-off & see what options I get? Maybe shutdown & reboot? |
| 10:21.08 | beagleburt | flrn, KatolaZ : BRB |
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| 10:42.32 | beagleburt | fleeky, KatolaZ : Wow!? Now I can not shut down - the option is faded out? I can only Lock screen or Log Out from the Desktop - Logout goes to ttl1 screen? |
| 10:42.51 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: are you on ascii or on jessie? |
| 10:43.09 | beagleburt | KatolaZ, : Jessie |
| 10:43.22 | KatolaZ | that's pretty odd |
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| 10:43.36 | KatolaZ | since xfce should work ootb |
| 10:43.39 | flrn | beagleburt: also, feedback on the previous issue would be nice^^ |
| 10:43.45 | KatolaZ | even shutdown/reboot/etc |
| 10:43.59 | KatolaZ | are you using xfce? |
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| 10:44.26 | beagleburt | KatolaZ, I tried "shutdown" & shutdown now" but bash does not recognise those commands? |
| 10:44.35 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: ? |
| 10:44.40 | djph | beagleburt: you have to run those as root |
| 10:44.47 | beagleburt | KatolaZ, Yes Xfce |
| 10:45.02 | KatolaZ | beagleburt: to use "shutdown" from the command line you must be root... |
| 10:45.02 | djph | beagleburt: shutdown is (IIRC) in /sbin; which is not in the $PATH of a normal user. |
| 10:45.25 | beagleburt | djph, KatolaZ : ok try again! |
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| 10:48.58 | flrn | KatolaZ: With multiple DEs installed, I can imagine that also XFCE needs tweaking. |
| 10:49.07 | KatolaZ | no flrn |
| 10:49.17 | KatolaZ | in jessie xfce works with consolekit |
| 10:49.21 | KatolaZ | other DEs might have problems |
| 10:49.30 | KatolaZ | but XFCE is known to work OOTB |
| 10:49.50 | flrn | but some of the consolekit <-> elogind files are exclusive, no? |
| 10:50.00 | KatolaZ | flrn: jessie has no elogind |
| 10:50.14 | KatolaZ | that's why I asked if they are on jessie or on ascii |
| 10:50.23 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:50.41 | flrn | KatolaZ: Oh, I wasn't aware of that, but makes sense... |
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| 10:51.44 | flrn | probably b. didn't know either ;-) |
| 10:52.30 | beagleburt | flrn, KatolaZ : Yipee! All I had to do was press F1 repeatedly to cycle through the available DE's- :-)) |
| 10:53.13 | flrn | lol'ed |
| 10:53.52 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 10:54.06 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 10:54.11 | KatolaZ | glad you solved it |
| 10:56.21 | beagleburt | flrn, KatolaZ : I'm glad too! THANKYOU both for helping me out! |
| 10:57.25 | flrn | beagleburt: de nad(j)a |
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| 21:32.52 | bozonius | ok, so I am trying to install and use ascii from the net-install 64bit iso in a VM. So far, ok, but ran into a few minor issues |
| 21:33.44 | bozonius | one is that when it comes to selecting packages, I chose several, and it fails but does not say why (space estimates perhaps? idk) would be nice to get more precise reason. |
| 21:34.28 | bozonius | I tried various combos, eventually when I unchecked cups (which is pre-selected!), the problem went away and it proceeds to complete the install |
| 21:37.17 | KatolaZ | bozonius: how large is your image? |
| 21:37.35 | bozonius | I opened a vt to do a df. Looks like i might have underconfigd the /var partition. It is configured for 1G, and it is 99% full |
| 21:37.42 | bozonius | so that might be the smoking gun |
| 21:37.49 | bozonius | hi KatolaZ |
| 21:37.59 | bozonius | just doing some install testing for you guys |
| 21:38.17 | bozonius | least I can do for all the support I get |
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| 21:38.49 | bozonius | KatolaZ: my bad, not devuan |
| 21:39.20 | bozonius | I prob need to read the readme's for install |
| 21:39.27 | bozonius | *needed |
| 21:39.34 | bozonius | before I began install attempt |
| 21:40.51 | bozonius | There was also an issue with LVM, though. Can't recall exactly now, was last night before I got knocked out with a pain killer, my recall is fuzzy now |
| 21:41.05 | KatolaZ | bozonius: we are still adding that info in the readme.txt |
| 21:41.12 | KatolaZ | just for reference |
| 21:41.33 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.34 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.34 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.34 | KatolaZ | LXDE: ~3.2GB |
| 21:41.34 | KatolaZ | LXQt: ~3GB |
| 21:41.36 | bozonius | it seemed like there was no simple way to re-size lvm partitions; had to back them out and re-configure them? something like that |
| 21:41.36 | KatolaZ | MATE: ~3.3GB |
| 21:41.46 | KatolaZ | Xfce: ~3GB |
| 21:41.46 | bozonius | ah, preciesely what I needed! thanks |
| 21:42.02 | bozonius | well, part of it, anyway. Maybe suggested partition sizes also? |
| 21:42.05 | bozonius | is that in readme? |
| 21:43.28 | KatolaZ | what do you mean? |
| 21:43.44 | bozonius | Well, like a list above, but for suggested partition sizes |
| 21:44.07 | bozonius | so /usr: ~4GB or whatever |
| 21:44.23 | holla | bozonius: btw, why don't you make your image dynamic? |
| 21:44.45 | bozonius | holla: Because I am modeling my vm for eventual hardware install |
| 21:44.52 | bozonius | (possibly) |
| 21:45.07 | bozonius | but, yes, you are right holla, I could do it that way |
| 21:45.40 | holla | I would use only 2 partitions / and /home -- so ~4gb for root |
| 21:46.19 | KatolaZ | bozonius: maybe a bit more that 4GB for / if you are installing a DE |
| 21:46.26 | bozonius | one issue with dynamic though is that dynamic can slow down runtime somewhat, and also this pre-allocates space for the VM so I don't need to worry about running out of space on the host later on |
| 21:46.46 | bozonius | KatolaZ: THat's the sort of estimates The readme could have in it |
| 21:46.52 | bozonius | again, only estimates |
| 21:47.03 | KatolaZ | bozonius: that sort of estimate is useless |
| 21:47.09 | KatolaZ | people should know how much space they need :) |
| 21:47.20 | KatolaZ | we can just say how much space *on average* each DE requires |
| 21:47.21 | bozonius | I figure anyone configuring manually for space should know how much space they need. |
| 21:47.25 | bozonius | right, that's all |
| 21:47.29 | bozonius | on average |
| 21:47.54 | bozonius | it's not a "have to" request for the readme, KatolaZ, just a helpful, that's all |
| 21:47.56 | KatolaZ | we are including this information in the README.txt |
| 21:48.02 | bozonius | ah, so like I said |
| 21:48.03 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 21:48.06 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 21:48.09 | bozonius | I should have read it before starting install |
| 21:48.16 | KatolaZ | it's not there atm |
| 21:48.20 | KatolaZ | not in the beta installer |
| 21:48.34 | bozonius | np |
| 21:48.39 | bozonius | glad to hear it will be, though |
| 21:48.55 | KatolaZ | thanks for noticing |
| 21:49.30 | bozonius | guideline values are usually helpful |
| 21:50.00 | bozonius | btw, aside from my headset sound issue, which hopefully gets fixed in ascii, I cannot complain about devuan so far! |
| 21:50.16 | bozonius | stable, fast, works as expected. |
| 21:50.36 | bozonius | and boot time is fine, actually... :p |
| 21:50.52 | bozonius | gives raspberries to u-no-hu |
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| 21:58.28 | bozonius | drat it. install step failed... after installing for 10 minutes. I might just start this all over again, give larger slices |
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| 22:00.21 | bozonius | I made /usr 5gb, but wonder if it really needs that much -- esp since this is only test install |
| 22:00.34 | bozonius | my /var is way too small apparently |
| 22:00.47 | bozonius | it is currently 1G, so maybe it wants 2G? |
| 22:01.26 | bozonius | steal from /usr |
| 22:01.50 | specing | you only have these issues because you are still attempting to use legacy filesystems |
| 22:05.24 | bozonius | oh yeah. imagine that. A VUA attempting to use legacy filesystems. I mean, why bother partitioning at all then? |
| 22:05.47 | bozonius | deVUAn |
| 22:06.12 | bozonius | I find managing file systems and disk a lot easier with partitioning and lvm IN THE LONG RUN |
| 22:06.28 | bozonius | for the impatient, using ONE BIG FS is better, though, I have to admit |
| 22:07.49 | bozonius | it's more flexible this way, and I can easily move fs between systems. I've migrated distros a few times, and it is often easier to just move /home to a new system. There are issues with that, too, of course, but if I have a lot of personal files, it's easier than backup and restore |
| 22:08.58 | bozonius | it's also helpful for testing things. I might have various systems that are all mounting certain fs for projects, then I don't have to worry about sync'ing and duplicate space usage |
| 22:09.18 | specing | on modern file systems you have subvolumes to put things in |
| 22:09.39 | specing | so you no longer have to guess their size, the fs adjusts automatically |
| 22:09.40 | bozonius | I've not used "sub-volumes" |
| 22:09.50 | bozonius | I'm using lvm |
| 22:10.09 | specing | I'm using LVM too, it has its uses |
| 22:10.11 | KatolaZ | bozonius: lvm will allow to shrink/increase the space later on |
| 22:10.19 | bozonius | right< Katola! |
| 22:10.27 | bozonius | oops,meant "," not "<" |
| 22:10.37 | bozonius | very flexible |
| 22:10.42 | specing | you cannot resize legacy filesystems while they are mounted |
| 22:10.46 | specing | very flexible indeed |
| 22:10.56 | bozonius | eh...actually, you can. I've done it |
| 22:11.08 | bozonius | a few years ago, you couldn't |
| 22:11.14 | specing | which ones? ext4 can only be grown iirc |
| 22:11.29 | bozonius | yes, and? |
| 22:11.41 | specing | you need to shrink one to make space for the other |
| 22:11.47 | bozonius | sometimes |
| 22:12.04 | bozonius | but if there is space left in the PV, or even the VG, you might not have to |
| 22:12.06 | specing | plus you have no data integrity assurance |
| 22:12.12 | bozonius | ??? |
| 22:12.36 | specing | modern filesystems checksum everything and detect breakage |
| 22:12.42 | bozonius | the fs is shrunk so that any extents that are no longer in the lv are not used |
| 22:13.19 | bozonius | in fact, iirc, I think the latest lvm tools do the fs adjustment also, but I am not sure now... |
| 22:13.56 | bozonius | 's brain is a bit fuzzy atm thanks to that wonderful pain killer he took before bed last night. |
| 22:17.28 | specing | sure, but you have to unmount |
| 22:17.42 | specing | modern filesystems can shrink when mounted |
| 22:22.58 | bozonius | I use ext4 all the time. and utilities for ext4 can do that |
| 22:23.12 | bozonius | resize2fs I think, but I am not certain |
| 22:23.17 | bozonius | I'm pretty sure I've done it |
| 22:24.28 | bozonius | bbl |
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| 22:33.41 | bozonius | hmmm. after re-configuring the partitions, it is asking me to insert the install cd, but it is already installed and even if I force unmount/remount the cd image, it still complains |
| 22:37.08 | bozonius | https://pasteboard.co/Hjnoe72.png |
| 22:37.39 | bozonius | I've even gone so far as to manually mount the cd image at the command line (in a vt) |
| 22:38.15 | bozonius | still get this error |
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| 22:45.32 | bozonius | ok, I think I might know. After reconfig of partitioning, it tells me no changes to partitioning table are planned. see https://pasteboard.co/HjnrADG.png |
| 22:46.02 | bozonius | this is after I accepted the changes in the partitioning step (which was really RE-partitioning in my case) |
| 22:49.23 | bozonius | anyone interested in more feedback on this -- please ask now! oTherwise, I am going to restart the whole shebang |
| 22:50.09 | bozonius | I'd say this is a bug... even if a rarely-expected bug. Most people won't run into this. |
| 22:50.55 | bozonius | and it could have something to do with the nature of how vbox manages cd's |
| 22:51.00 | bozonius | idk |
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| 22:54.14 | bozonius | https://pasteboard.co/Hjnv2OF.png looks like something went awry |
| 22:55.42 | bozonius | I double-checked that the cd was indeed mounted (from the vt) |
| 22:56.09 | rrq | is the target reformatted, or is it over an existing fs? |
| 22:56.35 | bozonius | how do I ensure the re-formattting; maybe I overlooked an option |
| 22:57.11 | bozonius | do I have to do that manually, or can the partitioning step handle this? |
| 22:57.36 | bozonius | (I assumed it would do that step automatically since I've re-partitioned...) |
| 22:57.47 | rrq | mmm there used to be an option during partitioning set up whether or not to format the new partition... |
| 22:58.03 | bozonius | ok, I'll double-check. I may have been hasty |
| 22:58.42 | KatolaZ | bozonius: is this an expert install or a regular one? |
| 23:00.32 | bozonius | well, let me put it this way, KatolaZ. It is an ATTEMPT at an expert install by one "bozonius" |
| 23:00.35 | bozonius | :))) |
| 23:00.46 | bozonius | custom partitioning, yes |
| 23:01.28 | bozonius | rrq: Indeed, there is an option. The problem is that after I changed the option, the screen refreshes, so I thought I was in a submenu of some kind so I just hit continue |
| 23:01.38 | bozonius | whereas what I needed to do is save the change |
| 23:01.49 | bozonius | so I was thrown off a tiny bit |
| 23:02.04 | bozonius | but in the end, thanks for your help, it did reformat |
| 23:02.16 | bozonius | however, I am still getting the nastygram about the c |
| 23:02.19 | bozonius | CD |
| 23:02.48 | bozonius | vbox thinks it can't be unmounted, but the VM thinks it is not mounted. |
| 23:03.00 | bozonius | (this is prob a vbox issue, not devuan) |
| 23:03.16 | rrq | vbox has a device menu for that yes? |
| 23:03.21 | bozonius | yes |
| 23:03.47 | bozonius | and if I try to unmount, vbox dialog complains it is not able to unmount it unless I force it |
| 23:05.06 | bozonius | at a vt shell prompt, neither df nor mount show cdrom mounted |
| 23:05.30 | bozonius | I can try forcing the unmount/remount again, though? |
| 23:05.49 | rrq | must ask: is the path given to vbox correct? |
| 23:06.03 | bozonius | the good news here is that the /target tree is all mounted, correctly, ready to go |
| 23:06.36 | bozonius | the path for what tool, and do you mean on the host or in the VM? |
| 23:06.46 | rrq | on teh host |
| 23:06.59 | rrq | for the cd |
| 23:07.25 | bozonius | I had not meddled with it since starting the install, so I assume it would be the same. |
| 23:07.49 | rrq | suppose it must be right, if it ends up mounting /target |
| 23:08.10 | rrq | then the error looks like apt finds a post-install /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:08.15 | bozonius | this CD mount error only came up after re-partitioning, which I muffed up the first time. |
| 23:08.23 | KatolaZ | bozonius: what about starting from scratch? |
| 23:08.40 | KatolaZ | (I know it's not elegant, so sorry for suggesting it anyway) |
| 23:08.42 | bozonius | KatolaZ: You mean, as opposed to "scratch"ing our heads |
| 23:09.01 | KatolaZ | I mean as in reboot and start from the beginning |
| 23:09.02 | bozonius | it sounds good to me, but I thought perhaps devs or someone might want to weed out a bug |
| 23:09.11 | bozonius | (yeah, I got that) |
| 23:09.18 | KatolaZ | this time you should not need to partition the disk |
| 23:09.29 | bozonius | :) indeed |
| 23:09.57 | rrq | bbl |
| 23:10.42 | bozonius | https://pasteboard.co/HjnBRcc.png |
| 23:11.45 | KatolaZ | bozonius: have you selected the expert install? |
| 23:12.00 | bozonius | I forget. That was before the pill I took... |
| 23:12.07 | bozonius | I think so |
| 23:12.12 | bozonius | at least for custom partitioning |
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| 23:12.15 | KatolaZ | have you rebooted? |
| 23:12.19 | bozonius | no not yet |
| 23:12.22 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:12.24 | KatolaZ | please reboot |
| 23:12.33 | KatolaZ | and restart with expert-install |
| 23:12.34 | bozonius | I was waiting to see if anyone wanted to say, whoa there! |
| 23:12.49 | KatolaZ | says "whoa there!" |
| 23:12.51 | bozonius | thank you for your innate sense of confidence in bozonius |
| 23:12.57 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:13.11 | bozonius | wishes he had such confidence... ah-ya-ya |
| 23:13.19 | bozonius | here goes nothing |
| 23:13.30 | KatolaZ | well, for you that should be easier |
| 23:13.36 | KatolaZ | it's self-confidence ;) |
| 23:14.06 | bozonius | no it isn't really. Bozonius is usually besides himself with these things |
| 23:14.15 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 23:14.20 | bozonius | he just proceeds slowly and carefully, that's all |
| 23:14.24 | bozonius | best he can do |
| 23:14.44 | bozonius | ok, reboot and expert install |
| 23:14.47 | KatolaZ | slow and steady |
| 23:14.52 | KatolaZ | wins the race |
| 23:14.55 | bozonius | (you will "hold my hand" no?) |
| 23:15.00 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 23:15.10 | bozonius | yes! in fact, in HS I earned the nickname "turtle" |
| 23:15.21 | bozonius | though I never won any races |
| 23:15.43 | bozonius | otoh it is safe to say I am not entirely "hare" brained... :D |
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| 23:15.52 | KatolaZ | it's just you probably haven't noticed :) |
| 23:15.57 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 23:16.08 | bozonius | :p |
| 23:16.14 | KatolaZ | oh sorry, my comment was about the race, |
| 23:16.17 | KatolaZ | not the brain :) |
| 23:16.23 | bozonius | oh |
| 23:16.32 | bozonius | not sure |
| 23:16.35 | bozonius | maybe |
| 23:16.36 | KatolaZ | I am |
| 23:16.41 | KatolaZ | positive |
| 23:16.42 | bozonius | wow. thanks. |
| 23:16.55 | KatolaZ | got interlocked |
| 23:17.06 | bozonius | ok here goes |
| 23:17.55 | KatolaZ | it should fine the partitions already |
| 23:18.06 | KatolaZ | you just have to choose which FS goes into each of them |
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| 23:19.42 | bozonius | you are really, really mean to me |
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| 23:19.52 | bozonius | gobs and gobs of config questions! |
| 23:20.09 | bozonius | I woud be happy with just the custom fs config, really |
| 23:20.25 | bozonius | (or are you trying to get someone to test the expert install?) |
| 23:20.52 | bozonius | I am somewhat nerdy, but this... oy veh! |
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| 23:31.36 | bozonius | KatolaZ: which kernel? and is the "generic" labeled one the same as the 4.0.9 one? |
| 23:32.22 | fsmithred | is that the question about modules? |
| 23:33.02 | bozonius | fsmithred: hi! I am being prompted in the install (in expert mode, oy veh! per KatolaZ's suggestion) for which kernel |
| 23:33.14 | fsmithred | or the choice between kernel-version vs. kernel-arch? |
| 23:33.39 | bozonius | yes |
| 23:33.45 | fsmithred | yes, which? |
| 23:33.53 | bozonius | oh |
| 23:33.59 | bozonius | did you see my last post? |
| 23:34.17 | fsmithred | I'm asking you which kernel question is it? |
| 23:34.18 | bozonius | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.29 | fsmithred | yeah, there are two different questions |
| 23:34.29 | bozonius | hold on |
| 23:34.35 | fsmithred | describe what you see |
| 23:35.04 | fsmithred | generic kernel vs. selected modules |
| 23:35.05 | fsmithred | or |
| 23:35.18 | fsmithred | linux-image-amd64 vs linux-image-4.9... |
| 23:39.43 | bozonius | https://pasteboard.co/HjnNEnC.png |
| 23:40.29 | gnarface | bozonius: it doesn't matter which one you pick |
| 23:40.41 | gnarface | if one is broken, pick the other |
| 23:41.13 | gnarface | (last i tested this, the linux-image-amd64 one was broken, but it's just a meta-package which is supposed to always point to the most current version, 4.9, listed above in this case) |
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| 23:41.52 | gnarface | just don't pick "None" |
| 23:43.13 | bozonius | gnarface: You think? |
| 23:43.18 | bozonius | ok, thanks |
| 23:44.38 | bozonius | targeted or all drivers? I'm happy enough with targeted |
| 23:44.42 | bozonius | if that's ok... |
| 23:45.04 | fsmithred | are you confident that you know what you need? |
| 23:45.31 | bozonius | is "targeted" going to ask me for specific drivers? |
| 23:45.41 | fsmithred | don't know - I've never gone there |
| 23:45.49 | bozonius | or does it figure it out on its own? |
| 23:46.06 | bozonius | which does the default install do? |
| 23:46.34 | gnarface | bozonius: neither will ask you to pick specific drivers. targeted is supposed to be smart enough to pick them for you it's just not perfect and sometimes misses stuff, which is what the "all drivers" version is for |
| 23:47.00 | gnarface | this won't affect the installed kernel, just what gets stuffed into the initrd.img and loaded by default |
| 23:47.01 | bozonius | obviously, "alL" would not ask me... |
| 23:47.14 | bozonius | well, this IS a VM, after all |
| 23:47.23 | bozonius | I'd think generic would work... |
| 23:47.32 | bozonius | is there a help for this? |
| 23:48.00 | gnarface | generic is the safest choice. at worst you might notice slightly slower bootloader action |
| 23:48.18 | gnarface | if you're in doubt, pick that one |
| 23:48.20 | bozonius | ok |
| 23:49.35 | gnarface | most the time on modern hardware you'd never notice, but for example on one old Dell i had been booting from a usb 1.0-speed SD card, the "all drivers" initrd.img was enough bigger to make the initial process of loading it off the SD card go from about 30 seconds to 2 minutes |
| 23:50.20 | gnarface | wanders away |
| 23:52.38 | bozonius | wonders "what did I say?" |
| 23:59.14 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo1 (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
