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| 06:27.49 | devi | Hi guys, i have trouble, i can't run gparted, synaptic and other apps that requires privileges |
| 06:28.28 | devi | my user is already in sudo group but still don't works |
| 06:28.36 | KatolaZ | devi: which DE are you using? |
| 06:28.44 | KatolaZ | (and, are you on ascii or jessie?) |
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| 06:28.57 | devi | KatolaZ: xfce and i am on ascii |
| 06:29.35 | KatolaZ | dpkg -l | grep -i libpolkit |
| 06:30.48 | devi | KatolaZ: what i have to see there? |
| 06:31.16 | devi | consolekit |
| 06:33.34 | agris | i've been having the same issue on ASCII too |
| 06:33.54 | agris | i just sudo synaptic from the command line instead of trying to debug it though |
| 06:36.04 | devi | agris: yep, and also you can modify the menu entries adding gksu before, but that sucks. |
| 06:36.39 | agris | One of those things that needs to be ironed out before ascii is stable |
| 06:43.38 | KatolaZ | devi: is this the only session-related problem? |
| 06:43.57 | KatolaZ | we know it should be ironed out |
| 06:44.11 | KatolaZ | but havig more info is fundamental to understand what's wrong |
| 06:44.13 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 06:45.48 | devi | Katolaz: this is the only problem i faced in ascii, i tried with some Debian Wheezy stuff because that was the las SysVinit based version, but nothing. |
| 06:46.02 | devi | *last* |
| 06:46.18 | KatolaZ | devi: the init system has no relation whatsoever with that |
| 06:46.34 | KatolaZ | I guess the problem is due to gksu |
| 06:48.05 | devi | Katolaz: when i run root terminal from the menu then gksu works, but that entry have gksu before, gparted and synaptic don't have it. |
| 06:55.18 | devi | Another question, how can i rank Devuan mirrors? netselect-apt ranks Debian mirrors |
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| 10:40.58 | aitor | hi all, how are you? |
| 10:41.31 | aitor | i solved the segmentation fault in the popupmenu, i think |
| 10:41.33 | aitor | Whoopee! |
| 10:41.46 | aitor | bbl |
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| 16:28.56 | fsmithred | How do I get update-initramfs to use source=UUID=xxxxxxxx instead of source=/dev/sdc1 in conf/conf.d/cryptroot? I installed to usb, and it was /dev/sdc during the install, but it's /dev/sda when I boot. Ends up at initramfs prompt. |
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| 17:03.50 | gnarface | fsmithred: you can't just set it manually then re-run update-initramfs? |
| 17:04.45 | fsmithred | gnarface, I guess I could put my own cryptroot in /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 17:05.15 | fsmithred | but I'd like to know where it's getting /dev/sdc1 - I edited the cryptroot file inside the initramfs to use uuid |
| 17:05.46 | fsmithred | and if I boot the usb, so it's sda, and run update-initramfs, it complains about sdc1 not existing |
| 17:05.59 | fsmithred | and makes an unbootable initrd |
| 17:07.08 | gnarface | well i get the part about it showing up as /dev/sda after install, hosing the config for /dev/sdc. that's the completely common BIOS misbehavior that UUIDs were supposed to solve in this context |
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| 17:07.34 | gnarface | that's not a mystery to me, i'd just expect that's "normal" behavior for that BIOS |
| 17:08.17 | gnarface | if replacing it manually with the correct UUID solves the problem and nothing overwrites it with /dev/sdc or /dev/sda after that, i would just not sweat it |
| 17:08.34 | fsmithred | well, I need my installer to do the right thing |
| 17:08.55 | fsmithred | on one laptop, it works correctly. On the other, I get this problem. |
| 17:08.56 | gnarface | well, you also need your BIOS to do the right thing, and that just may not actually be something you can control |
| 17:09.26 | gnarface | i can recommend a bios update, though if they're not the same model, that's unlikely to help |
| 17:09.27 | fsmithred | painful to say, it's working better on uefi |
| 17:09.46 | gnarface | i see this type of problem with Dells a lot |
| 17:09.50 | gnarface | they really skimp on the BIOS |
| 17:09.52 | fsmithred | it is a dell |
| 17:09.58 | gnarface | heh, i could have bet |
| 17:10.27 | gnarface | they cripple a lot of perfectly good hardware at the BIOS level |
| 17:10.39 | gnarface | but nobody really cares because they're using these weird sections unportable motherboards |
| 17:10.42 | fsmithred | ok, so maybe I don't need to worry about it, as long as I can explain to other proud dell owners how to fix it. |
| 17:10.44 | gnarface | most people just throw them away |
| 17:10.50 | gnarface | which is why i seem to have so many... |
| 17:11.02 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:11.22 | fsmithred | mine was one of the first with ubuntu on it |
| 17:11.30 | gnarface | it's a good argument in favor of supporting libreboot, truthfully |
| 17:11.39 | gnarface | but i have yet to actually try that angle myself |
| 17:11.55 | fsmithred | that's a thought |
| 17:12.14 | gnarface | so far the method that has worked for me is 1) complete install 2) observe first-boot choke 3) mount the drive from another machine and manually insert UUIDs |
| 17:12.49 | gnarface | or you could use a live image at step #3 instead |
| 17:15.34 | gnarface | if you need your installer to work, is there any way to make it use UUIDs by default? |
| 17:16.35 | fsmithred | for fstab, yes, |
| 17:16.46 | fsmithred | but not for what goes inside the initrd |
| 17:16.55 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:17.08 | fsmithred | actually, for encrypted install, it doesn't use uuid in fstab, it uses /dev/mapper/name |
| 17:17.18 | gnarface | in theory i think all that would take to change that is having update-initramfs re-run once at the end of the install |
| 17:17.37 | gnarface | assuming you could get the UUIDs into the right file ... |
| 17:19.14 | fsmithred | it already does that |
| 17:19.25 | fsmithred | runs after grub-install |
| 17:19.33 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:19.37 | gnarface | is that late enough though? |
| 17:20.03 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.33 | fsmithred | usually it works right |
| 17:21.53 | fsmithred | in virtualbox installs, it works right, and on the toshiba (uefi) it works right |
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| 17:27.34 | gnarface | yea, but what's happening is the Dell BIOS is literally changing the drive letters based on boot order |
| 17:27.49 | gnarface | nothing expects that to happen, it's not supposed to |
| 17:28.19 | gnarface | i suppose in theory it should work to manually change the paths to /dev/sda instead of a UUID, if that's what the BIOS calls it after first boot |
| 17:28.30 | gnarface | that's worked too, but then might stop working the moment you plug in a second drive |
| 17:28.39 | fsmithred | yup |
| 17:28.58 | fsmithred | maybe I need to pass SOURCE=UUID or something like that to update-initramfs |
| 17:30.01 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:30.04 | gnarface | maybe |
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| 20:19.56 | telmich | a shor question regarding docker -- I think I asked some months ago and it seems that there is no docker.io image in devuan/ascii -- is it my bug or something upstream? |
| 20:24.44 | telmich | I am wondering, because we do have some bigger projects coming up that will utilise docker and I'd love to be able to setup everything with Devuan, even though strictly speaking for the project the distro does not matter much (99% will be in containers) |
| 20:25.47 | gnarface | telmich: i don't honestly know but when i plumb my impulse responses, the impression i have from vaguely remembered memories about it was that docker switched to requiring systemd |
| 20:26.17 | gnarface | (if that's not true, then the debian one should work, but if the debian one was in their repos, there isn't any other reason it wouldn't already be in ascii) |
| 20:27.41 | gnarface | if i knew more about what docker was for, maybe i could suggest an alternative but i know that's unlikely to influence your corporate brass in any productive way |
| 20:29.32 | telmich | gnarface: hmm... that would be too bad, if that is really the case (systemd hard dep) |
| 20:29.34 | gnarface | maybe the issue is just that the debian build required systemd. maybe this is avoidable if you build it yourself (i don't know, but it's worth looking into) |
| 20:30.05 | gnarface | it's quiet time here right now |
| 20:30.29 | telmich | gnarface: it will be used for a couple of different applications, including proxies, service discovery (consul), build pipelines |
| 20:30.46 | gnarface | you might have better luck crossing paths with someone who uses docker if you try a different time of the day (whatever is ~6pm-8pm in europe seems to be good) |
| 20:31.01 | telmich | gnarface: good point |
| 20:31.27 | gnarface | the americans seem to be really slow getting a clue about this whole "linux" thing ;) |
| 20:33.47 | telmich | Not sure about that |
| 20:33.51 | telmich | I think red hat is quite prominent |
| 20:34.14 | telmich | I think it's just Europe who is into the whole community, bottom up thing |
| 20:34.26 | gnarface | well, it's just that i've observed that in general on IRC, the traffic in the linux related channels seems to be higher notably during European prime-time |
| 20:34.36 | telmich | hmm |
| 20:34.37 | telmich | Well |
| 20:34.40 | telmich | I love IRC |
| 20:34.42 | gnarface | so yea, i guess we're saying the same thing |
| 20:34.54 | telmich | But honestly, a lot of things are happening now on $webchat |
| 20:35.07 | telmich | Were $webchat is often slack |
| 20:35.13 | gnarface | hah |
| 20:35.16 | gnarface | yea i know and i don't approve |
| 20:35.30 | telmich | We are also running mattermost, because of one major drawback of irc |
| 20:35.37 | telmich | That is not missing kittens |
| 20:35.49 | gnarface | huh, never even heard of that one |
| 20:35.53 | telmich | But easy catching up / keeping history |
| 20:41.01 | telmich | gnarface: thanks for your thoughts, I'll be off for now and wish you a good evening! |
| 20:41.13 | golinux | Oh wait a sec telmich |
| 20:41.26 | golinux | There was a docker image at one point. |
| 20:41.36 | golinux | I just need to track it down. |
| 20:42.26 | gnarface | telmich: (no problem, sorry i couldn't actually help, but good luck with it) |
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| 20:43.46 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/cyteen/docker-brew-debian |
| 20:44.41 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/cyteen/docker.io |
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| 20:45.00 | golinux | There was also something on dng a long time ago. Let me go search |
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| 20:46.15 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170907.122245.a0ae75aa.en.html |
| 20:46.22 | golinux | telmich: ^^^ |
| 20:47.13 | golinux | Just search for docker on that list. There are several docker discussions there. |
| 20:54.05 | gnarface | well, hopefully he'll see that in the morning |
| 21:00.58 | fsmithred | gnarface, I figured it out. crypttab was using the device name, so I switched it to use the uuid, and now the initrd works. |
| 21:02.34 | gnarface | cool, did you have to re-run update-initramfs or did it find it automatically? |
| 21:03.02 | fsmithred | that gets run anyway |
| 21:03.21 | fsmithred | re-running it before didn't help, because it reads crypttab for information |
| 21:03.32 | gnarface | makes sense |
| 21:03.35 | fsmithred | now crypttab gets created using the uuid |
| 21:03.49 | gnarface | hmm |
| 21:04.10 | fsmithred | I can make that optional - it already is optional for fstab |
| 21:04.36 | fsmithred | someone with one disk might not like to use uuid |
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| 22:18.49 | rozenglass | I was trying to install Devuan Ascii on a virtual machine, the installer did not detect /dev/vda as a hard disk. I tried symlinking vda to sda and it worked. |
| 22:19.03 | rozenglass | Although guess I have to refer to UUID in fstab |
| 22:19.27 | KatolaZ | rozenglass: ? |
| 22:19.46 | KatolaZ | /dev/vda looks like an LVM volume right? |
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| 22:21.46 | rozenglass | on the outside it is a qcow2 file, for the VM it is a VirtIO disk |
| 22:23.17 | rozenglass | no LVM is involved anywhere, as far as I know |
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| 22:24.49 | rozenglass | When the window to select a disk to install the bootloader on appeared it was empty |
| 22:24.59 | rozenglass | same with the window to select root partition |
| 22:25.55 | MinceR | debian-installer is trying to be too smart for its own good |
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| 22:28.23 | rozenglass | I'm using Refracta installer |
| 22:32.03 | MinceR | in that case, s/debian/refracta/ |
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| 22:57.16 | aitor | hi |
| 22:57.27 | rozenglass | grub install did not work from the installer, I didn't look well enough into what happened. Maybe it has to do with above. I mounted the target root and binds, chrooted in, installed grub-pc, then did grub-install. It worked, and now I'm booted into the new installation. |
| 22:59.21 | aitor | i have built succesfully udisks without libudev-dev |
| 22:59.38 | aitor | i was getting the following error: |
| 22:59.40 | aitor | job-drive-detach.c:44:15: error: storage size of âstatbufâ isnât known |
| 23:01.02 | aitor | 'struct stat statbuf' is also used in vdev, concretly in 'libvdev/util.c' |
| 23:02.59 | aitor | doing some minor changes in the helper 'job-drive-detach.c', udisks builds succesfully with libvdev-dev |
| 23:07.25 | aitor | but some symlinks are needed in the packaging of vdev, because pkg-config searches in '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig', and i located libudev.pc in '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig' |
| 23:08.07 | aitor | udisks depends on dbus, i know |
| 23:09.10 | aitor | time to bed, bye :) |
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